Nanfoodle said: let there be items that add stats in the cash shop but the best items need to be earned in game. Sets cosmetic items to a reasonable price.
Why would anyone buy gear that is inferior to ingame gear? Where do you get that the price for cosmetic items is not reasonable?
You can't afford it? Fair enough but that does not make it any less reasonable...
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
I think the worse part of this is the fact this game has so much to offer but a greedy cash shop is turning away so many people. Im really glad I didnt buy into this game. Still waiting on the sidelines to see what BD turns into.
If they put in costume vendor in game with some good looking costum and dye, then they will also put in gear enchantment items and rarity upgrade items in cash shop. Like they do in KR and RUS.
Ok, so if the lack of customization is the price to pay to avoid p2w, what was the box price for?
The box price it has been said is to reduce botting and gold selling commonly found in F2P games, although I am not entirely convinced it actually works.
Nope 100% not working, even sub wont help it, go play ff14 u will see gold selling msg every now n then in the Public Chat at town! & many times through whispering/pm... facepalm
Nanfoodle said: let there be items that add stats in the cash shop but the best items need to be earned in game. Sets cosmetic items to a reasonable price.
Why would anyone buy gear that is inferior to ingame gear? Where do you get that the price for cosmetic items is not reasonable?
You can't afford it? Fair enough but that does not make it any less reasonable...
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
It might be more convincing if you picked a game that is not on life support to advance your argument.
classes are gender locked and your complaining about outfits? lol maybe if they gave the ladies PANTS it would be ok, sorry but im out fucking killing orcs and bandits. I aint got no time for all the stripers
Nanfoodle said: let there be items that add stats in the cash shop but the best items need to be earned in game. Sets cosmetic items to a reasonable price.
Why would anyone buy gear that is inferior to ingame gear? Where do you get that the price for cosmetic items is not reasonable?
You can't afford it? Fair enough but that does not make it any less reasonable...
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
The Raid Set thing is fine, but Rift also put item slots (earrings I think) behind a paywall, which is definitely not fine.
It's an aggressive cash shop, just like BDO's, which puts content or player experience behind a paywall.
If I wanted to play BDO today and have a regular full MMO experience, I'd need to pay 30 for the game, 30 for pets to loot optimally, 30 for an outfit, and like 30 on dyes.
And so for 120 dollars I have a regular full MMO experience, without any extra inventory space or a mount or anything like that. If I ever want to wear something different, though, it's more money later.
I'd be super happy paying 50 bucks for the box and 15/month for this game. Or the equivalent in cash shop purchases.
But when it's this much at the beginning just to get a bare minimum standard MMO experience, it's only going to get worse as they add new items that you'll need in the shop.
The main thing is I don't always want to be feeling lacking something while playing unless I pay exorbitant amounts of money. I just want the full game for a reasonable price.
Nanfoodle said: let there be items that add stats in the cash shop but the best items need to be earned in game. Sets cosmetic items to a reasonable price.
Why would anyone buy gear that is inferior to ingame gear? Where do you get that the price for cosmetic items is not reasonable?
You can't afford it? Fair enough but that does not make it any less reasonable...
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
The Raid Set thing is fine, but Rift also put item slots (earrings I think) behind a paywall, which is definitely not fine.
It's an aggressive cash shop, just like BDO's, which puts content or player experience behind a paywall.
If I wanted to play BDO today and have a regular full MMO experience, I'd need to pay 30 for the game, 30 for pets to loot optimally, 30 for an outfit, and like 30 on dyes.
And so for 120 dollars I have a regular full MMO experience, without any extra inventory space or a mount or anything like that. If I ever want to wear something different, though, it's more money later.
I'd be super happy paying 50 bucks for the box and 15/month for this game. Or the equivalent in cash shop purchases.
But when it's this much at the beginning just to get a bare minimum standard MMO experience, it's only going to get worse as they add new items that you'll need in the shop.
The main thing is I don't always want to be feeling lacking something while playing unless I pay exorbitant amounts of money. I just want the full game for a reasonable price.
IMO (got this from reading forums around the net) BDO is a game you walk away from in 3 months because of the amount of content. So makes sense they are trying to get as much as they can from the start.
the outfit system i like so far will be moonlight blade, every piece of armor u get throughout the game will automatically become your permanent costume that u can change any time, anywhere for free. no gimmick no nonsense whatsoever! too bad its only eastern style so its really not for every1, & the game is not really that popular/well-known/hyped on other region except china, unlike those korean title, which i think its a good thing
im only ~lvl 50, half way through the game & i got like ~15 costume ~10 back piece item, got them through quest/dungeon/event. all of the pieces-hair,body,btm,back,waist,etc can be mismatch to suit ur taste ^_^
Nanfoodle said: let there be items that add stats in the cash shop but the best items need to be earned in game. Sets cosmetic items to a reasonable price.
Why would anyone buy gear that is inferior to ingame gear? Where do you get that the price for cosmetic items is not reasonable?
You can't afford it? Fair enough but that does not make it any less reasonable...
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
The Raid Set thing is fine, but Rift also put item slots (earrings I think) behind a paywall, which is definitely not fine.
It's an aggressive cash shop, just like BDO's, which puts content or player experience behind a paywall.
If I wanted to play BDO today and have a regular full MMO experience, I'd need to pay 30 for the game, 30 for pets to loot optimally, 30 for an outfit, and like 30 on dyes.
And so for 120 dollars I have a regular full MMO experience, without any extra inventory space or a mount or anything like that. If I ever want to wear something different, though, it's more money later.
I'd be super happy paying 50 bucks for the box and 15/month for this game. Or the equivalent in cash shop purchases.
But when it's this much at the beginning just to get a bare minimum standard MMO experience, it's only going to get worse as they add new items that you'll need in the shop.
The main thing is I don't always want to be feeling lacking something while playing unless I pay exorbitant amounts of money. I just want the full game for a reasonable price.
So you are unhappy paying $120 which, let's be honest here, $60 is totally optional and unnecessary, and pets aren't $30 so you're vastly exaggerating there; the cost of which lets you play indefinitely. But you would be happy paying $50 + ($15*12) = $230 a year where the moment you stop paying your rental fee you lose access to everything you've put money into.
So $230 makes sense for limited access but $30+ for unlimited access is a screw job. Makes sense.... in opposite world.
"vastly exaggerating"? Pets are like what, 8 bucks each. You need 3 of them to optimally loot, so I guess it's only 24. Maybe a little of an exaggeration but not much.
But yeah I would be happy to pay 120 if it would be all I would have to pay ever. I'd actually rather pay more if I knew it was a game I would stick with for years.
But it's not all I will have to pay. If I want a different outfit besides the one I initially bought (god forbid I want 3 different looks in an MMO), I'll have to pay 30 plus more for dyes.
If they're being this way with pets and outfits and dyes at the start, it's only going to get worse. They're going to add items that I'm going to feel I need to play the game fully. After a years time I'm sure it will add up to more than $230.
"So $230 makes sense for limited access but $30+ for unlimited access is a screw job. Makes sense.... in opposite world."
It's not unlmited access- that's the point. 30 gets you zero pets, zero outfits, zero dyes of your choice, no mount, limited inventory and God knows what else. Much of the game is behind a paywall.
I'd almost prefer they just stick power in the cash shop. This kind of sneaky way to prod people towards the cash shop with the brown-weighted random dyes you get in-game and the shoddy single outfit is just seriously offputting to me.
The whole thing just makes me not trust them. It makes me think they will pull all kinds of shady stuff in the future to get my cash shop money.
Jean-Luc Picard- "You don't need pets to loot, really. Just spam the R key a couple of times and you have it all."
At endgame when you want to pull tons of mobs nonstop to maximize your grinding time, it does make a difference.
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
So instead of having end game gear + XP pots + lvl boost in cash shop, I will be selling leveling gear? And that is supposed to be reasonable?
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
So instead of having end game gear + XP pots + lvl boost in cash shop, I will be selling leveling gear? And that is supposed to be reasonable?
I fail to see any business sense behind that...
My point is a fair cash shop. Selling gear is fine as long as in game gear is better. Also that cosmetic items need to be added to the game. I get having them in the cash shop. Maybe even having some of the best looking ones be cash shop only. Again you need to be fair, have more than one look in game. Let people play and have fun. Sure add things to the cash shop that people can buy to make money. Companies need to make money but this cash shop coupled with no real options for costumes in game. Thats not a fair cash shop. Spending a week to earn 1 inventory slot on one char. Again not fair or fun.
Rift did a great job with that, selling items that at end game get you set for tier 1 raiding. So level quick with boosts, buy gear to get you to raid standards. Start playing with your friends ASAP.
So instead of having end game gear + XP pots + lvl boost in cash shop, I will be selling leveling gear? And that is supposed to be reasonable?
I fail to see any business sense behind that...
My point is a fair cash shop. Selling gear is fine as long as in game gear is better. Also that cosmetic items need to be added to the game. I get having them in the cash shop. Maybe even having some of the best looking ones be cash shop only. Again you need to be fair, have more than one look in game. Let people play and have fun. Sure add things to the cash shop that people can buy to make money. Companies need to make money but this cash shop coupled with no real options for costumes in game. Thats not a fair cash shop. Spending a week to earn 1 inventory slot on one char. Again not fair or fun.
Selling "Vanity" items in a cash shop. How can a cash shop be more fair than that?
It has zero effect on gameplay.
Vanity costs a lot of money. Just ask all them people with Boob jobs, Nose jobs and Ed Hardy Tee shirts.
Uninstalled as well. Disliked just about everything I got to see in this game: combat, graphics, ui, quests, voice overs... To be fair, the character models are great but that's really the only positive thing I could come up with.
My point is a fair cash shop. Selling gear is fine as long as in game gear is better. Also that cosmetic items need to be added to the game. I get having them in the cash shop. Maybe even having some of the best looking ones be cash shop only. Again you need to be fair, have more than one look in game. Let people play and have fun. Sure add things to the cash shop that people can buy to make money. Companies need to make money but this cash shop coupled with no real options for costumes in game. Thats not a fair cash shop. Spending a week to earn 1 inventory slot on one char. Again not fair or fun.
Selling "Vanity" items in a cash shop. How can a cash shop be more fair than that?
It has zero effect on gameplay.
Vanity costs a lot of money. Just ask all them people with Boob jobs, Nose jobs and Ed Hardy Tee shirts.
Humans are visual creatures. When the only option for customization for your looks is to fork out 30 bucks every time you want to look different. Thats a problem. Other MMOs sell skins but you can also earn skins in game. When you finally sick of looking like 90% of the people in the game, its ok, we waiting here to take your 30 bucks lol. When you are sick of only having two options for looks on your char. Let us know, we will take 30 more bucks to give you a 3rd option. Thats rude.
Jean-Luc Picard- "You don't need pets to loot, really. Just spam the R key a couple of times and you have it all."
At endgame when you want to pull tons of mobs nonstop to maximize your grinding time, it does make a difference.
Maybe you could try to play a MMORPG without maxing and optimizing everything, who knows, you may even have fun... ya know, play a game like a game, and not like a second job.
I don't have any pets. I thought the R key would pick up aoe close to you. Either that or I just hit it enough not to notice. Anyway the R key has worked okay for me so far.
Why do you need 3 pets to maximize auto loot? Why won't one work? What's the point in going as fast as possible?
If someone does want to go balls to the wall all the time that is their choice and I respect that they want to play that way. Playing that way costs $120 apparently. Well so be it, but I don't have any sympathy that driving their game play that hard costs them more.
It will become important at endgame. Someone posted a video on this forum showing that you can grind significantly faster at endgame when you're pulling tons of mobs and AOEing them down for hours on end if you have 3 pets, because you don't have to run around finding/collecting the loot all the time.
Grinding is not a great kind of PVE endgame to begin with and of course you're going to want to get the most bang for your time while doing it. I don't consider it extreme min/maxing when you're talking about getting the same xp/money in 5 hours with 3 pets that you could in 6 hours with no pets.
If your going with the $30=unlimted thing, endgame consists of you wearing what looks to be secondhand clothes almost exactly the same as you've always worn, taking significantly longer to grind money/xp off of mobs then people with pets, riding around on a slow-ass horse you had to spend a ton of time breeding up to get to where people got them from packages, having no control over what color your gear is, constantly having to play "the inventory game" because of lack of space, and the list probably goes on.
It's a bunch of combined nuisances that is not something I want to buy into. If I felt it would be the end of the list, I'd actually be OK with it. I'd fork over my 120 to avoid all of it and be happy. But the way their doing the monetization virtually guarantees, to me at least, that even more annoying and insidious prods towards the cash shop will come.
I think this game could have taken a chapter out of Blade and Soul. There are outfits in the cash shop but there are also a ton of them in game that with some effort and luck you can make your character look very stylish.
Uninstalled as well. Disliked just about everything I got to see in this game: combat, graphics, ui, quests, voice overs... To be fair, the character models are great but that's really the only positive thing I could come up with.
You don't need pets to loot, really. Just spam the R key a couple of times and you have it all.
Indeed. The best thing my hawk does for me is spot violent/elite mobs. I loot a lot more than he does.
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Jean-Luc Picard- "You don't need pets to loot, really. Just spam the R key a couple of times and you have it all."
At endgame when you want to pull tons of mobs nonstop to maximize your grinding time, it does make a difference.
Maybe you could try to play a MMORPG without maxing and optimizing everything, who knows, you may even have fun... ya know, play a game like a game, and not like a second job.
I don't have any pets. I thought the R key would pick up aoe close to you. Either that or I just hit it enough not to notice. Anyway the R key has worked okay for me so far.
Why do you need 3 pets to maximize auto loot? Why won't one work? What's the point in going as fast as possible?
If someone does want to go balls to the wall all the time that is their choice and I respect that they want to play that way. Playing that way costs $120 apparently. Well so be it, but I don't have any sympathy that driving their game play that hard costs them more.
It will become important at endgame. Someone posted a video on this forum showing that you can grind significantly faster at endgame when you're pulling tons of mobs and AOEing them down for hours on end if you have 3 pets, because you don't have to run around finding/collecting the loot all the time.
Grinding is not a great kind of PVE endgame to begin with and of course you're going to want to get the most bang for your time while doing it. I don't consider it extreme min/maxing when you're talking about getting the same xp/money in 5 hours with 3 pets that you could in 6 hours with no pets.
If your going with the $30=unlimted thing, endgame consists of you wearing what looks to be secondhand clothes almost exactly the same as you've always worn, taking significantly longer to grind money/xp off of mobs then people with pets, riding around on a slow-ass horse you had to spend a ton of time breeding up to get to where people got them from packages, having no control over what color your gear is, constantly having to play "the inventory game" because of lack of space, and the list probably goes on.
It's a bunch of combined nuisances that is not something I want to buy into. If I felt it would be the end of the list, I'd actually be OK with it. I'd fork over my 120 to avoid all of it and be happy. But the way their doing the monetization virtually guarantees, to me at least, that even more annoying and insidious prods towards the cash shop will come.
Respectfully:
It sounds like you're far too worried about keeping up with the Jones's instead of just having fun. If someone plays for "endgame" and enjoys "grinding" Wouldn't grinding for 6 hrs be better than grinding for 3hrs? Isn't catching a horse and training it part of playing the game? Fun is trying to circumvent the game? Paying money in the cash shop is going to make the game more "Fun"?
I'm reading your comments and trying to figure out how a game could ever be fun?
But there are very few cash shop outfits. Each class has 2 or 3 costumes max and at least for males they all share 1 costume. So berserker has 1 unique outfit on the cash shop. So it's not that there is not a lot of diversity outside the cash shop, there is not a lot of diversity at all. For a game that focuses so much on custimization it's a shame. Also there aren't many outfits on the horizon, so either you are stuck with the basic outfit in the game or you're stuck with the same premium outfit everyone is wearing.
This has to be the worst gear system I've seen in a AAA game. It's a shame because I really like the game otherwise.
If this is the worse thing about this game then they have done quite a good job. Treat it like a subscription game and pay for an outfit every now and then. Is that so hard ? If the game is good enough why not support it. Having said that though perhaps they can throw in some variety in outfits or allow the basic ones to be dyed.
Nowadays if the game has 50 positive aspects and only 1 negative aspect, everyone will always focus on that 1 negative aspects... people want everything to be perfect and end up ignoring all the good parts of a game because of one single detail that they disliked... kinda gotten used to that kind of thinking despite hating it
Right...if that was the case, but... there is no 50 positive aspects and 1 negative in the game.
For me, there are more negatives then positives aspects in BDO , like no trade between players, guild members, etc , limited prices on items in the AH , very easy game in almost all aspects , like : lvl up , mobs, etc .. to name a few!
So stop acting like the outfit system is the only negative aspect . If you believe that, then is clearly you are a blind fan. Actually, not even a blind fan of any-game will say that their game is perfect minus one aspect of the game.
Every game has more then 1 issues, even if you are a fan , or a hater!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
For me, there are more negatives then positives aspects in BDO , like no trade between players, guild members, etc , limited prices on items in the AH , very easy game in almost all aspects , like : lvl up , mobs, etc .. to name a few!
So stop acting like the outfit system is the only negative aspect . If you believe that, then is clearly you are a blind fan. Actually, not even a blind fan of any-game will say that their game is perfect minus one aspect of the game.
Every game has more then 1 issues, even if you are a fan , or a hater!
So you're basically saying "if you don't agree with me, you're wrong". Without any real argumentation, just because you think so.
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It's an aggressive cash shop, just like BDO's, which puts content or player experience behind a paywall.
If I wanted to play BDO today and have a regular full MMO experience, I'd need to pay 30 for the game, 30 for pets to loot optimally, 30 for an outfit, and like 30 on dyes.
And so for 120 dollars I have a regular full MMO experience, without any extra inventory space or a mount or anything like that. If I ever want to wear something different, though, it's more money later.
I'd be super happy paying 50 bucks for the box and 15/month for this game. Or the equivalent in cash shop purchases.
But when it's this much at the beginning just to get a bare minimum standard MMO experience, it's only going to get worse as they add new items that you'll need in the shop.
The main thing is I don't always want to be feeling lacking something while playing unless I pay exorbitant amounts of money. I just want the full game for a reasonable price.
im only ~lvl 50, half way through the game & i got like ~15 costume ~10 back piece item, got them through quest/dungeon/event. all of the pieces-hair,body,btm,back,waist,etc can be mismatch to suit ur taste ^_^
Reminds me of Age of Wushu which i also liked but those Chinese MMOs are always so heavily P2W it's really disgusting.
But yeah I would be happy to pay 120 if it would be all I would have to pay ever. I'd actually rather pay more if I knew it was a game I would stick with for years.
But it's not all I will have to pay. If I want a different outfit besides the one I initially bought (god forbid I want 3 different looks in an MMO), I'll have to pay 30 plus more for dyes.
If they're being this way with pets and outfits and dyes at the start, it's only going to get worse. They're going to add items that I'm going to feel I need to play the game fully. After a years time I'm sure it will add up to more than $230.
"So $230 makes sense for limited access but $30+ for unlimited access is a screw job. Makes sense.... in opposite world."
It's not unlmited access- that's the point. 30 gets you zero pets, zero outfits, zero dyes of your choice, no mount, limited inventory and God knows what else. Much of the game is behind a paywall.
I'd almost prefer they just stick power in the cash shop. This kind of sneaky way to prod people towards the cash shop with the brown-weighted random dyes you get in-game and the shoddy single outfit is just seriously offputting to me.
The whole thing just makes me not trust them. It makes me think they will pull all kinds of shady stuff in the future to get my cash shop money.
Jean-Luc Picard- "You don't need pets to loot, really. Just spam the R key a couple of times and you have it all."
At endgame when you want to pull tons of mobs nonstop to maximize your grinding time, it does make a difference.
I fail to see any business sense behind that...
I think you mistake your preference for "reasonable" and "fair" while falsely assume that it also makes a business sense.
It has zero effect on gameplay.
Vanity costs a lot of money. Just ask all them people with Boob jobs, Nose jobs and Ed Hardy Tee shirts.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
To be fair, the character models are great but that's really the only positive thing I could come up with.
but hey, i still can get pretty here for free than bd, by a HUGE margin! im playing bd japan ~lvl40 & i still look like shit... thats the truth T_T
Humans are visual creatures. When the only option for customization for your looks is to fork out 30 bucks every time you want to look different. Thats a problem. Other MMOs sell skins but you can also earn skins in game. When you finally sick of looking like 90% of the people in the game, its ok, we waiting here to take your 30 bucks lol. When you are sick of only having two options for looks on your char. Let us know, we will take 30 more bucks to give you a 3rd option. Thats rude.
Grinding is not a great kind of PVE endgame to begin with and of course you're going to want to get the most bang for your time while doing it. I don't consider it extreme min/maxing when you're talking about getting the same xp/money in 5 hours with 3 pets that you could in 6 hours with no pets.
If your going with the $30=unlimted thing, endgame consists of you wearing what looks to be secondhand clothes almost exactly the same as you've always worn, taking significantly longer to grind money/xp off of mobs then people with pets, riding around on a slow-ass horse you had to spend a ton of time breeding up to get to where people got them from packages, having no control over what color your gear is, constantly having to play "the inventory game" because of lack of space, and the list probably goes on.
It's a bunch of combined nuisances that is not something I want to buy into. If I felt it would be the end of the list, I'd actually be OK with it. I'd fork over my 120 to avoid all of it and be happy. But the way their doing the monetization virtually guarantees, to me at least, that even more annoying and insidious prods towards the cash shop will come.
Wow, just wow!
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Respectfully:
It sounds like you're far too worried about keeping up with the Jones's instead of just having fun. If someone plays for "endgame" and enjoys "grinding" Wouldn't grinding for 6 hrs be better than grinding for 3hrs? Isn't catching a horse and training it part of playing the game? Fun is trying to circumvent the game? Paying money in the cash shop is going to make the game more "Fun"?
I'm reading your comments and trying to figure out how a game could ever be fun?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
This has to be the worst gear system I've seen in a AAA game. It's a shame because I really like the game otherwise.
For me, there are more negatives then positives aspects in BDO , like no trade between players, guild members, etc , limited prices on items in the AH , very easy game in almost all aspects , like : lvl up , mobs, etc .. to name a few!
So stop acting like the outfit system is the only negative aspect . If you believe that, then is clearly you are a blind fan. Actually, not even a blind fan of any-game will say that their game is perfect minus one aspect of the game.
Every game has more then 1 issues, even if you are a fan , or a hater!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
The irony is astounding.