Holy mother of whining. People complain and complain about F2P or B2P + cash shops being ruthlessly P2W and should only offer cosmetic stuff in the cash shop. Now, BDO is B2P and has pretty much cosmetic or convenience items and you complain about not being able to look cool in-game without spending money. Seriously folks, games need financial support somehow and I'd rather give money to look cool, than to have a P2W atmosphere. So figure out if online gaming is for you because F2P games are not F2P. Game companies need to pay for their own bills too, which means they need a monthly income as well. Can't afford to look cool? Than enjoy the game without looking cool. Don't complain because your cheap ass can't afford a costume.
Good thing you're here keeping tabs on who's whining and who isn't. What would this forum be without you?!
I'm not keeping tabs. I just find some of the reasons people come up with to spin around in a negative aspect. First it's No More Subscriptions! Than it was too P2W, now it's too P2LookCool. People need to just face the facts, which is they can't afford online gaming. I spent way more in online gaming when it first came out than anyone in today's market could fathom. Really, younger gamers have a really self entitled attitude.
Actually back in the days, older gamers like myself only ever had to pay 15 bucks a month to enjoy the full package of any given MMO. This trend of gating content behind additional pay walls is a very post 2004 thing.
What on earth were you spending all that cash on? RMT? *cough*
Holy mother of whining. People complain and complain about F2P or B2P + cash shops being ruthlessly P2W and should only offer cosmetic stuff in the cash shop. Now, BDO is B2P and has pretty much cosmetic or convenience items and you complain about not being able to look cool in-game without spending money. Seriously folks, games need financial support somehow and I'd rather give money to look cool, than to have a P2W atmosphere. So figure out if online gaming is for you because F2P games are not F2P. Game companies need to pay for their own bills too, which means they need a monthly income as well. Can't afford to look cool? Than enjoy the game without looking cool. Don't complain because your cheap ass can't afford a costume.
Good thing you're here keeping tabs on who's whining and who isn't. What would this forum be without you?!
I'm not keeping tabs. I just find some of the reasons people come up with to spin around in a negative aspect. First it's No More Subscriptions! Than it was too P2W, now it's too P2LookCool. People need to just face the facts, which is they can't afford online gaming. I spent way more in online gaming when it first came out than anyone in today's market could fathom. Really, younger gamers have a really self entitled attitude.
Holy mother of whining. People complain and complain about F2P or B2P + cash shops being ruthlessly P2W and should only offer cosmetic stuff in the cash shop. Now, BDO is B2P and has pretty much cosmetic or convenience items and you complain about not being able to look cool in-game without spending money. Seriously folks, games need financial support somehow and I'd rather give money to look cool, than to have a P2W atmosphere. So figure out if online gaming is for you because F2P games are not F2P. Game companies need to pay for their own bills too, which means they need a monthly income as well. Can't afford to look cool? Than enjoy the game without looking cool. Don't complain because your cheap ass can't afford a costume.
Good thing you're here keeping tabs on who's whining and who isn't. What would this forum be without you?!
I'm not keeping tabs. I just find some of the reasons people come up with to spin around in a negative aspect. First it's No More Subscriptions! Than it was too P2W, now it's too P2LookCool. People need to just face the facts, which is they can't afford online gaming. I spent way more in online gaming when it first came out than anyone in today's market could fathom. Really, younger gamers have a really self entitled attitude.
Actually back in the days, older gamers like myself only ever had to pay 15 bucks a month to enjoy the full package of any given MMO. This trend of gating content behind additional pay walls is a very post 2004 thing.
What on earth were you spending all that cash on? RMT? *cough*
Because people were bitching about paying subs and rejoiced with the advent of F2P
I won't play a F2P game
As it stands now, I will spend much less playing this game than I will playing a sub game.
Jean-Luc Picard- "You don't need pets to loot, really. Just spam the R key a couple of times and you have it all."
At endgame when you want to pull tons of mobs nonstop to maximize your grinding time, it does make a difference.
Maybe you could try to play a MMORPG without maxing and optimizing everything, who knows, you may even have fun... ya know, play a game like a game, and not like a second job.
I don't have any pets. I thought the R key would pick up aoe close to you. Either that or I just hit it enough not to notice. Anyway the R key has worked okay for me so far.
Why do you need 3 pets to maximize auto loot? Why won't one work? What's the point in going as fast as possible?
If someone does want to go balls to the wall all the time that is their choice and I respect that they want to play that way. Playing that way costs $120 apparently. Well so be it, but I don't have any sympathy that driving their game play that hard costs them more.
It will become important at endgame. Someone posted a video on this forum showing that you can grind significantly faster at endgame when you're pulling tons of mobs and AOEing them down for hours on end if you have 3 pets, because you don't have to run around finding/collecting the loot all the time.
Grinding is not a great kind of PVE endgame to begin with and of course you're going to want to get the most bang for your time while doing it. I don't consider it extreme min/maxing when you're talking about getting the same xp/money in 5 hours with 3 pets that you could in 6 hours with no pets.
If your going with the $30=unlimted thing, endgame consists of you wearing what looks to be secondhand clothes almost exactly the same as you've always worn, taking significantly longer to grind money/xp off of mobs then people with pets, riding around on a slow-ass horse you had to spend a ton of time breeding up to get to where people got them from packages, having no control over what color your gear is, constantly having to play "the inventory game" because of lack of space, and the list probably goes on.
It's a bunch of combined nuisances that is not something I want to buy into. If I felt it would be the end of the list, I'd actually be OK with it. I'd fork over my 120 to avoid all of it and be happy. But the way their doing the monetization virtually guarantees, to me at least, that even more annoying and insidious prods towards the cash shop will come.
Respectfully:
It sounds like you're far too worried about keeping up with the Jones's instead of just having fun. If someone plays for "endgame" and enjoys "grinding" Wouldn't grinding for 6 hrs be better than grinding for 3hrs? Isn't catching a horse and training it part of playing the game? Fun is trying to circumvent the game? Paying money in the cash shop is going to make the game more "Fun"?
I'm reading your comments and trying to figure out how a game could ever be fun?
I'm a pretty competitive person, at least in games. I am having fun currently in BnS. The equalized and balanced Arena means I'll never have a problem keeping up in PVP.
BnS is actually the main reason I haven't bought BDO. I do like and support everything in BDO except the monetization, and would've bought it without a doubt if I wasn't already playing BnS.
I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I don't want to sound like I'm against the game- it really is a great game and if I ever get bored of BnS, it will become my main MMO for sure. I was just trying to explain why I personally did not buy it yet.
Holy mother of whining. People complain and complain about F2P or B2P + cash shops being ruthlessly P2W and should only offer cosmetic stuff in the cash shop. Now, BDO is B2P and has pretty much cosmetic or convenience items and you complain about not being able to look cool in-game without spending money. Seriously folks, games need financial support somehow and I'd rather give money to look cool, than to have a P2W atmosphere. So figure out if online gaming is for you because F2P games are not F2P. Game companies need to pay for their own bills too, which means they need a monthly income as well. Can't afford to look cool? Than enjoy the game without looking cool. Don't complain because your cheap ass can't afford a costume.
Good thing you're here keeping tabs on who's whining and who isn't. What would this forum be without you?!
I'm not keeping tabs. I just find some of the reasons people come up with to spin around in a negative aspect. First it's No More Subscriptions! Than it was too P2W, now it's too P2LookCool. People need to just face the facts, which is they can't afford online gaming. I spent way more in online gaming when it first came out than anyone in today's market could fathom. Really, younger gamers have a really self entitled attitude.
older MMOs were way more expensive.
??????
Not very smart, are you? No offense, but... Seriously?
FACT is, in the old subscription MMORPGs, you were required to pay $15 every month or you couldn't play at all anymore. I still have my two WoW accounts, I know what they costed me since release in 2004, I don't complain, but I don't deny the numbers either. Right now, not only in BDO, but many other games... if you happen to be out of money a couple of months, or just not willing to pay... you can still play. In the old sub based MMOs, you couldn't. That's definitely more tolerant towards those who can't afford a monthly fee. For instance, I have guildies who only ever purchased the GW2 box and expansion, and nothing ever in the cash shop, and who still play today.
Yeah today you can play a diminished version of an MMO for free, great. Back then we used to call those demos. However if you want the FULL PACKAGE , ie: every single bit of content available in the cash shop, I guarantee it'll cost you more than 15 bucks / month. See the difference? Before you got everything for 15/month, now you get half a game for free and the other half costs a small fortune. This might not apply to BDO but it's the general idea with F2P and cash shop MMOs. Try thinking things through before calling people names.
Awesome sandbox mmo with loads of potential but they need to change the cs asap.
Sandbox - yeah, BD and AA I wouldn't call sandbox games at all.
Sure there are sandboxy elements - but overall "sandbox game" - not even close.
Sandbox game - the players are given the tools to change all aspects of gameplay including CORE gameplay - as in modding minecraft to be a FPS game or a puzzle game or whatever you want.
THAT is a sandbox game, you can change everything - because you are given the tools to do so.
That's the key part of what makes somethign a sandbox game - are players given the tools to change the gameplay.
Playing pre-set classes in an open world with lots of crafting options is not a sandbox game - you're still heavily limited in only doing what the game was designed for you to do, you are not given any of the tools to change the core gameplay.
Again my 2c - MMOs can never be true sandboxes
Well I see what you're saying but what mmo allows you to change the core gameplay? That's not really a sandbox imo it's just modding what youre talking about, like bethesda style.
Thats harder to do with thousands even millions playing a game online.
To me there are diff types of Sandbox, you have Bethesda/Minecraft style where yea you can change how the game works as in core mechanics and you have mmo sandbox, ultima, swg, archeage now BDO where you can do many different things and you have endless ways to achieve your goals.
You don't say Halo and Megaman are the same thing but they both are at the core shooters. one is side scroll platform shooting the other is FPS.
The sandbox part is having lots of sand to play with, what that sand is depends on if its mmo or not imo. I've never once heard somebody call ultima a great sandbox because you turn it into a racing game.
It's a scale
The more tools and control over the game players are given - the more it goes towards the sandbox side of the scale.
Again I clearly said that no MMO can ever be a full sandbox experience for obvious reasons.
But still IMO calling Black Desert a sandbox game is a stretch - yes it has sandbox elements - but enough to call it a sandbox game?
For me - no, but again that's just my opinion.
From world design (mobs of increasing difficulty placed in certain spots) - to classes and how levels unlock the same skills for the same classes - all of these systems are very much on rails and set in stone.
There's no free-form build your character as you want system that you would see in a sandbox game.
Black Desert has many systems - there's a lot to do - but once you examine each system - they are all very much on rails.
Compare a group of Berserkers at level 56 for example, or rangers or heck any class - what you will find is very little variance in gear and skills, why?
Would this happen in a full sandbox game?
I don't think so.
It's almost as if people have always referred to games like these as sandbox mmos to differentiate them from true sandbox games.
I'm sorry to hear so many of you are unhappy with BDO. It saddens me deeply to see this happen in today's day and age. I guess our only hope is for all of you to pitch in your spare $30 you have and start your own game development company and create the perfect MMO we've all been waiting for. Until that happens, I'll play what I enjoy, which is BDO and you all can continue to wallow in self pity and misery.
I've played a lot of MMO's and I think BDO is a very well made MMO. It's not perfect, but it's far better than most and it has enough distractions that for once, I don't pay attention to my leveling. I know people don't like it for whatever reason and that's to be expected. Most of it is pretty simple stuff and really not worth all the huffin and puffin going on.
Take the original post for instance. He's frustrated and ready to quit simply because he didn't realize that at the bottom of his inventory screen is a 2nd set of inventory icons. One of which is for his helm which by default is turned off. As usual, these frustrated players immediately get pissed off because they are too impatient to figure the game out and instead come on the forums and bitch. Welcome to 2016, where the average player patience is the equivalent of a 3 year old who hasn't eaten in 8 hours or slept in 2 days. Slow down folks, take a deep breath, try looking outside the box and you might just surprise yourself.
Agree unfortunately. And I honestly thought the people on these forums would absolutely LOVE BDO. It is a seamless world, it is not a WoW clone, it has an extremely fair cash shop, it has no sub, it is no gear treadmill, it is not a linear themepark, it looks great and not cartoony too, the gear looks semi-realistic so no shoulderpads drama, it has more indepth mechanisms at work then most MMO's, the combat is not tabtargetting hotbar based.
I honestly thought the people here would absolutely love BDO, I was naive, there is no love for released games here, only for future products that will get the same treatment as soon as they have been released, poor Pantheon, Crowfall etc. you will all be dissected and torn to shreds on these forums. I salute the few people here that can still love the games they are currently playing, MMO's in particular. I am currently enjoying Asta and BDO and they could not have been more different, I love the diversity currently on offer, what an awesome time to be a gamer, I haven't been this spoiled in the last 20 years of gaming.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Scott Hartsman once said in a fairly recent interview on this site that players say one thing on gaming forums and vote a different way with their wallet or game play time. Some posters here say all sorts of crazy things about what they think games should be and how people should play them, but they don't back that rhetoric up with actions and cash. That's why their voice continues to go unheard.
It's called addiction. Most gamers suffer from it and cannot stop themselves from buying into games they despise just because it's new and shiny. Doesn't stop them from leaving in a month or two and perhaps that explains the current trend of mass hemorrhaging that most recent releases seem to suffer during the first three months.
I do not care about character look. And If i did, I'd buy something every now and then as long as it won't surpass average $12/month to be on pair with sub-based mmo. BD is a lot of fun in other areas.
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I'm sorry to hear so many of you are unhappy with BDO. It saddens me deeply to see this happen in today's day and age. I guess our only hope is for all of you to pitch in your spare $30 you have and start your own game development company and create the perfect MMO we've all been waiting for. Until that happens, I'll play what I enjoy, which is BDO and you all can continue to wallow in self pity and misery.
I've played a lot of MMO's and I think BDO is a very well made MMO. It's not perfect, but it's far better than most and it has enough distractions that for once, I don't pay attention to my leveling. I know people don't like it for whatever reason and that's to be expected. Most of it is pretty simple stuff and really not worth all the huffin and puffin going on.
Take the original post for instance. He's frustrated and ready to quit simply because he didn't realize that at the bottom of his inventory screen is a 2nd set of inventory icons. One of which is for his helm which by default is turned off. As usual, these frustrated players immediately get pissed off because they are too impatient to figure the game out and instead come on the forums and bitch. Welcome to 2016, where the average player patience is the equivalent of a 3 year old who hasn't eaten in 8 hours or slept in 2 days. Slow down folks, take a deep breath, try looking outside the box and you might just surprise yourself.
Agree unfortunately. And I honestly thought the people on these forums would absolutely LOVE BDO. It is a seamless world, it is not a WoW clone, it has an extremely fair cash shop, it has no sub, it is no gear treadmill, it is not a linear themepark, it looks great and not cartoony too, the gear looks semi-realistic so no shoulderpads drama, it has more indepth mechanisms at work then most MMO's, the combat is not tabtargetting hotbar based.
I honestly thought the people here would absolutely love BDO, I was naive, there is no love for released games here, only for future products that will get the same treatment as soon as they have been released, poor Pantheon, Crowfall etc. you will all be dissected and torn to shreds on these forums. I salute the few people here that can still love the games they are currently playing, MMO's in particular. I am currently enjoying Asta and BDO and they could not have been more different, I love the diversity currently on offer, what an awesome time to be a gamer, I haven't been this spoiled in the last 20 years of gaming.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Scott Hartsman once said in a fairly recent interview on this site that players say one thing on gaming forums and vote a different way with their wallet or game play time. Some posters here say all sorts of crazy things about what they think games should be and how people should play them, but they don't back that rhetoric up with actions and cash. That's why their voice continues to go unheard.
It's called addiction. Most gamers suffer from it and cannot stop themselves from buying into games they despise just because it's new and shiny. Doesn't stop them from leaving in a month or two and perhaps that explains the current trend of mass hemorrhaging that most recent releases seem to suffer during the first three months.
Is that what it's called... I thought it was called BS and posturing in gaming forums.
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I absolutely love the game personally, but just because I love it does not mean I am naive in thinking their monetization is okay. Yeah sure, the items in the cash shop are acceptable. I get that. The problem is the prices and the pets specifically. Pets are providing a feature which, quite frankly, should be in the game (they pick up loot for you) that you can't get outside of playing the game for 50 days or so / cash shop. Costumes are absolutely overpriced as hell. They need to make money! is not an excuse for overpriced items. I am sorry, thats crap. Candy is like 5$ at the movie theater and you don't see anyone saying that about going to the movies. They can still make money without charging 1$ less then the cost of the game for an outfit.
I don't understand where this mentality that if an MMO is buy to play aka no subscription it must not have a cash shop.
How are they going to get money? From rainbows and sunshines?
Complaining on there being no costumes ingame for free is one thing, saying the game is p2w is another. You can always wait for discount, there's always a discount on costumes in all mmos I played.
Remember people, a business exists solely to make profit not to make you happy.
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What on earth were you spending all that cash on? RMT? *cough*
I won't play a F2P game
As it stands now, I will spend much less playing this game than I will playing a sub game.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
BnS is actually the main reason I haven't bought BDO. I do like and support everything in BDO except the monetization, and would've bought it without a doubt if I wasn't already playing BnS.
I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I don't want to sound like I'm against the game- it really is a great game and if I ever get bored of BnS, it will become my main MMO for sure. I was just trying to explain why I personally did not buy it yet.
However if you want the FULL PACKAGE , ie: every single bit of content available in the cash shop, I guarantee it'll cost you more than 15 bucks / month.
See the difference? Before you got everything for 15/month, now you get half a game for free and the other half costs a small fortune.
This might not apply to BDO but it's the general idea with F2P and cash shop MMOs.
Try thinking things through before calling people names.
It's called addiction. Most gamers suffer from it and cannot stop themselves from buying into games they despise just because it's new and shiny. Doesn't stop them from leaving in a month or two and perhaps that explains the current trend of mass hemorrhaging that most recent releases seem to suffer during the first three months.
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How are they going to get money? From rainbows and sunshines?
Complaining on there being no costumes ingame for free is one thing, saying the game is p2w is another. You can always wait for discount, there's always a discount on costumes in all mmos I played.
Remember people, a business exists solely to make profit not to make you happy.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.