For Microsoft to start charging for a Windows 10 upgrade (as opposed to a new license, which has never been free) after pushing a free upgrade so hard would make about as much sense as if AOL had suddenly decided to start charging $10 for those free trial floppies about 20 years ago. I mean, what are they going to do? Say, you don't want it for free, so how about for $20?
They did it for Windows 7
They didn't offer a free upgrade to Windows 7 to the general public, nor did they push it nearly as aggressively.
Of course, they didn't have to. It was a good OS and sold well on that basis alone.
Yes they did. It was a free upgrade for people who bought a computer between certain dates. Each computer maker had their own terms as long as it fit within Microsoft's window of time.
The Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program debuted on June 26th, it provides
anyone who buys a PC from a participating OEM or retailer with Windows
Vista Home Premium, Business or Ultimate to receive an upgrade to the
corresponding version of Windows 7 at little
or no cost. The Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program will be available
until January 31st, 2010 and is global.
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All Users who buy PCs pre-installed with the following editions of
windows Vista, between June 26, 2009 to January 31, 2010 are eligible
for a free Windows 7 upgrade:
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PCs that are licensed for an eligible Windows Vista edition, which
have been down-graded to Windows XP are also eligible for this Program.
However, a clean installation of the upgrade media will be required
unless you used recovery media to install the original Windows Vista
edition pre-installed on the PC, in which case you can directly upgrade to Windows 7.
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pre-installed on or after June 26, 2009. If your computer
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It is a good operating system but Windows 10 adoption rates for the same period of time is higher than Windows 7. Free or not.
That program was only available to a tiny fraction of potential upgraders, and the entire point was to get people to buy a Windows license who might otherwise have delayed or avoided it. Less than 1/3 of a year before Windows 7 launched, Microsoft was worried that people would stop buying computers because they were waiting for Windows 7, or worse, buy a Mac because they didn't want to wait. So they basically said, buy Vista today and you'll get a free upgrade to Windows 7 when it is available. It was basically a package deal that instead of getting Vista only, you'd get both Vista now and an upgrade to Windows 7 later.
What they did with Windows 10 was very different. There, Microsoft said that people who had already bought a Windows 7 or 8/8.1 computer years earlier not expecting a free upgrade to Windows 10 were also eligible. That wasn't offering a package deal to try to drive sales like the Vista/7 upgrade.
If Valve is waiting for Vulkan then WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU THINK THEY (Valve) SHOULD BE DOING?
That's just the latest excuse. They were never 'WAITING AROUND' when SteamOS and Steam Machines were announced.
What should they do? Stop making up excuses like WAIT FOR VULKAN (again, another company) and actually give some effort.
that doesnt answer my question.
'what should they do' you answer is a 'not' give me a actionable answer.
what specfically should they do? not what they should NOT do.
They should pretend like they actually care about SteamOS and Steam Machines. Probably a good place to start. Again, a few things they could do:
New Exclusive Valve game for SteamOS
Update an existing Valve game to run better for Steam OS
Update an existing game by anyone to run better for Steam OS
Remaster a Valve game for Steam OS
Remaster a game by anyone for Steam OS
Subsidize a model of the Steam Machine
Subsidize multiple models of Steam Machines
SteamOS is obviously no more than an insurance policy against Windows.
Now your turn...besides more 'WAITING AROUND'?
This is SteamOS is not made to be console like PS4 or Xbox to have Exclusive, more on making PC gaming in the living room easy and a entry level for people not use to PC gaming. Then the other part to get more dev on bored to make more linux games thats part is working.
SteamOS is not made like Windows for it to be something people use everyday other then gaming, people can try but other Linux Distros much better for that.
Over all SteamOS will have years of work for it to be in tons people home. If Valve did Exclusive just for SteamOS and they have the money to make it so, then would of sale more then it is pretty sure Valve know this but thats going in to the console market, when console only good cuz of there Exclusive, no one would buy a Xbox or a PS4 with out Exclusive.
The Steam Machine idea just in a wield place, I like the idea but was to high of a cost for people to take a risk other then a steam link running a small linux type of OS.
If Valve is waiting for Vulkan then WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU THINK THEY (Valve) SHOULD BE DOING?
That's just the latest excuse. They were never 'WAITING AROUND' when SteamOS and Steam Machines were announced.
What should they do? Stop making up excuses like WAIT FOR VULKAN (again, another company) and actually give some effort.
that doesnt answer my question.
'what should they do' you answer is a 'not' give me a actionable answer.
what specfically should they do? not what they should NOT do.
They should pretend like they actually care about SteamOS and Steam Machines. Probably a good place to start. Again, a few things they could do:
New Exclusive Valve game for SteamOS
Update an existing Valve game to run better for Steam OS
Update an existing game by anyone to run better for Steam OS
Remaster a Valve game for Steam OS
Remaster a game by anyone for Steam OS
Subsidize a model of the Steam Machine
Subsidize multiple models of Steam Machines
SteamOS is obviously no more than an insurance policy against Windows.
Now your turn...besides more 'WAITING AROUND'?
This is SteamOS is not made to be console like PS4 or Xbox to have Exclusive, more on making PC gaming in the living room easy and a entry level for people not use to PC gaming. Then the other part to get more dev on bored to make more linux games thats part is working.
Are you being facetious or did you really not know that when first announced "Steam Machines" (aka Steam Boxes) were announced as direct competition to the PS4 and Xbox. At the time they even suggested strict hardware requirements and more importantly; a Valve developed model. Also in 2012, Valve announced their engineers had their Source engine running Linux more efficiently versus Windows (and made it sound like more than simply an internal demo but something the general public would benefit from).
So technically not 'exclusivity', but certainly software and hardware optimization by Valve itself targeting the console, "living-room" market. They've since backed off from everything other than just the Steam controller and Steam OS.
This is SteamOS is not made to be console like PS4 or Xbox to have Exclusive, more on making PC gaming in the living room easy and a entry level for people not use to PC gaming. Then the other part to get more dev on bored to make more linux games thats part is working.
SteamOS is not made like Windows for it to be something people use everyday other then gaming, people can try but other Linux Distros much better for that.
Over all SteamOS will have years of work for it to be in tons people home. If Valve did Exclusive just for SteamOS and they have the money to make it so, then would of sale more then it is pretty sure Valve know this but thats going in to the console market, when console only good cuz of there Exclusive, no one would buy a Xbox or a PS4 with out Exclusive.
The Steam Machine idea just in a wield place, I like the idea but was to high of a cost for people to take a risk other then a steam link running a small linux type of OS.
Intel's Kirk Skaugen took to the stage in the main keynote
proclaiming “desktop is alive and well. It's innovating, whether it's
small form factors, all-in-ones, portable all-in-ones or extreme
gaming.”
"There are 711 million PC gamers in the world today, that's one in ten people on the planet,” he enthused.
That was from Intel in 2014. I don't think creating the Steam Machine was going to ever get people into PC gaming not used to it. 2 years later a billion people game on a Computer. The Steam Machine and Valve were trying to create a complete ecosystem from a business standpoint. Like Apple has done. Like Microsoft is doing.
No one is buying the Steam Machines because as WaterLilly said it is trying to solve a problem that does not exist. Windows is fine for gaming needs. Steam OS brings nothing to the table to entice millions of people to convert over.
Windows is fine for gaming for sure, Steam OS was a gate way for game to be ported over to linux. Problem does not exist if people using Steam OS on there desktop when they can use windows or other linux distros. When trying to play PC games in the living room relaxing and enjoy the game. SteamOS does give the player a console like feel but sure people can have a mouse and keyboard with them but then is not a console like feel anymore then more of a desktop feel.
Steam OS will never replace Windows was not made for that but did push more games made for linux.
Yes if a Dev do end up porting a game over to linux they are losing money when they do. Vulkan should make it easy for a Dev to port over there game but I know for sure this will not be the only thing what push linux to more of peoples hands.
All Valve is doing just making it easy for game be ported over to linux, divers and software are still what is holding it back for a home users with out needed to learn the in and outs of the OS.
Video on XCOM 2 Linux Vs Windows 10 that what he calls it. It's not bad being a Opengl on Linux.
The key need is Vulkan.
To be honest if I was Valve I would bury Steam Machines from all consumer mention and focus and get with developers to make some Vulkan based games before talking to the public about Steam Machines
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Video on XCOM 2 Linux Vs Windows 10 that what he calls it. It's not bad being a Opengl on Linux.
The key need is Vulkan.
To be honest if I was Valve I would bury Steam Machines from all consumer mention and focus and get with developers to make some Vulkan based games before talking to the public about Steam Machines
If I was valve I'd drop steam machines and the OS altogether and focus on making a partnership with companies with established consumers.
If I was valve I'd drop steam machines and the OS altogether and focus on making a partnership with companies with established consumers.
I dont know what that means. 'partnerships with companies with established consumers' is what Valve should do regarding...? what? yeah completely confused on that one
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
If I was valve I'd drop steam machines and the OS altogether and focus on making a partnership with companies with established consumers.
I dont know what that means. 'partnerships with companies with established consumers' is what Valve should do regarding...? what? yeah completely confused on that one
If I was valve I'd drop steam machines and the OS altogether and focus on making a partnership with companies with established consumers.
I dont know what that means. 'partnerships with companies with established consumers' is what Valve should do regarding...? what? yeah completely confused on that one
Thats okay, I don't expect you to get everything.
can you please explain to me what you are referring to?
thanks
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Video on XCOM 2 Linux Vs Windows 10 that what he calls it. It's not bad being a Opengl on Linux.
The key need is Vulkan.
To be honest if I was Valve I would bury Steam Machines from all consumer mention and focus and get with developers to make some Vulkan based games before talking to the public about Steam Machines
Vulkan is running better under linux then on windows ATM, Valve is pushing there own game under under Vulkan are helping to push it's just taking time.
Vulkan is running better under linux then on windows ATM, Valve is pushing there own game under under Vulkan are helping to push it's just taking time.
and that is why I say that. I am pretty sure if Valve could completely control the past and their commitments they would not have released Steam Machine until Vulkan was out but the expected release of Vulkan got push back greatly
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I know some people that run a UNIX based system with a virtual instance of Windows for gaming. I am not sure how effective Steam data mining is. Does it register that as Windows? That could easily skew the numbers.
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
I know some people that run a UNIX based system with a virtual instance of Windows for gaming. I am not sure how effective Steam data mining is. Does it register that as Windows? That could easily skew the numbers.
If Steam is running on Windows, it will register as Windows. Doesn't matter if that copy of Windows is running Virtualized or not.
That being said, I don't know that enough people do this for it to seriously skew the numbers. Getting native GPU support in a VM is possible, but right now it's a pain in the rear.
If Valve is waiting for Vulkan then WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU THINK THEY (Valve) SHOULD BE DOING?
That's just the latest excuse. They were never 'WAITING AROUND' when SteamOS and Steam Machines were announced.
What should they do? Stop making up excuses like WAIT FOR VULKAN (again, another company) and actually give some effort.
that doesnt answer my question.
'what should they do' you answer is a 'not' give me a actionable answer.
what specfically should they do? not what they should NOT do.
They should pretend like they actually care about SteamOS and Steam Machines. Probably a good place to start. Again, a few things they could do:
New Exclusive Valve game for SteamOS
Update an existing Valve game to run better for Steam OS
Update an existing game by anyone to run better for Steam OS
Remaster a Valve game for Steam OS
Remaster a game by anyone for Steam OS
Subsidize a model of the Steam Machine
Subsidize multiple models of Steam Machines
SteamOS is obviously no more than an insurance policy against Windows.
Now your turn...besides more 'WAITING AROUND'?
This is SteamOS is not made to be console like PS4 or Xbox to have Exclusive, more on making PC gaming in the living room easy and a entry level for people not use to PC gaming. Then the other part to get more dev on bored to make more linux games thats part is working.
Are you being facetious or did you really not know that when first announced "Steam Machines" (aka Steam Boxes) were announced as direct competition to the PS4 and Xbox. At the time they even suggested strict hardware requirements and more importantly; a Valve developed model. Also in 2012, Valve announced their engineers had their Source engine running Linux more efficiently versus Windows (and made it sound like more than simply an internal demo but something the general public would benefit from).
So technically not 'exclusivity', but certainly software and hardware optimization by Valve itself targeting the console, "living-room" market. They've since backed off from everything other than just the Steam controller and Steam OS.
"Gabe Newell confirmed the company's plans to sell its own living room PC
that could compete with next-generation consoles from Sony and
Microsoft."
That Could compete, I have not seen anywhere that said that they will or going too. This was all plans befor it was made. If the Stream Box was market to compete with Xbox and PS3 then I would agree not seen that from Valve.
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What they did with Windows 10 was very different. There, Microsoft said that people who had already bought a Windows 7 or 8/8.1 computer years earlier not expecting a free upgrade to Windows 10 were also eligible. That wasn't offering a package deal to try to drive sales like the Vista/7 upgrade.
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SteamOS is not made like Windows for it to be something people use everyday other then gaming, people can try but other Linux Distros much better for that.
Over all SteamOS will have years of work for it to be in tons people home. If Valve did Exclusive just for SteamOS and they have the money to make it so, then would of sale more then it is pretty sure Valve know this but thats going in to the console market, when console only good cuz of there Exclusive, no one would buy a Xbox or a PS4 with out Exclusive.
The Steam Machine idea just in a wield place, I like the idea but was to high of a cost for people to take a risk other then a steam link running a small linux type of OS.
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So technically not 'exclusivity', but certainly software and hardware optimization by Valve itself targeting the console, "living-room" market. They've since backed off from everything other than just the Steam controller and Steam OS.
Steam OS will never replace Windows was not made for that but did push more games made for linux.
Yes if a Dev do end up porting a game over to linux they are losing money when they do. Vulkan should make it easy for a Dev to port over there game but I know for sure this will not be the only thing what push linux to more of peoples hands.
All Valve is doing just making it easy for game be ported over to linux, divers and software are still what is holding it back for a home users with out needed to learn the in and outs of the OS.
To be honest if I was Valve I would bury Steam Machines from all consumer mention and focus and get with developers to make some Vulkan based games before talking to the public about Steam Machines
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That being said, I don't know that enough people do this for it to seriously skew the numbers. Getting native GPU support in a VM is possible, but right now it's a pain in the rear.
That Could compete, I have not seen anywhere that said that they will or going too. This was all plans befor it was made. If the Stream Box was market to compete with Xbox and PS3 then I would agree not seen that from Valve.
Gabe said publicly that they are not but I think we all know that they are. thinking otherwise is being a bit silly
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