Is CIG properly vetting their employees?

Adjuvant1

Let's talk about Adrian Banninga. This guy.

So he previously owned Allgraf games and published a horribly unfinished and buggy game "Darkout", with backer funding. He is considered by many to have "screwed over Kickstarter backers". The "game" had very little depth, was touted to be the first of three stages retroactively (even in his last communication where he retroactively decided that stages 2 and 3 would be DLC. Sound familiar?)  Then, apparently, he bailed, without telling the community he was leaving, and turned up working at CIG.

Here, we see the play-by-play, how supporters were treated by Banninga's "right hand man".
https://www.reddit.com/r/darkout/comments/1wp951/dear_dev_your_community_wanted_help_and_to_help/

Steam forum, if you care to browse it.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/257050/discussions/

Is CIG performing due diligence before hiring people? Am I going to find more of this if I take the time to dig?

edit : "kickstarter" should read "indiegogo" crowdfunding.

DKLond

How would you define proper?

Every single employee with a spot-free track record with absolute certainty?

Because, if so, please point out another company with 300+ employees that has proper vetting - and prove that it has.

Adjuvant1

"Senior Art Manager" at Foundry 42.

Vrika

Does his previous failure have anything to do with his current position at CIG?

Someone who's epic failure at managing a business can still be brilliant at making art for computer games, and last I checked CIG was out there to make a brilliant computer game, not out there to mete out justice and punish people for sins they've committed.

rodarin

birds of a feather.....

CrazKanuk

Adjuvant1 said:

Let's talk about Adrian Banninga. This guy.

So he previously owned Allgraf games and published a horribly unfinished and buggy game "Darkout", with backer funding. He is considered by many to have "screwed over Kickstarter backers". The "game" had very little depth, was touted to be the first of three stages retroactively (even in his last communication where he retroactively decided that stages 2 and 3 would be DLC. Sound familiar?)  Then, apparently, he bailed, without telling the community he was leaving, and turned up working at CIG.

Here, we see the play-by-play, how supporters were treated by Banninga's "right hand man".
https://www.reddit.com/r/darkout/comments/1wp951/dear_dev_your_community_wanted_help_and_to_help/

Steam forum, if you care to browse it.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/257050/discussions/

Is CIG performing due diligence before hiring people? Am I going to find more of this if I take the time to dig?

Says he's still working at Allgraf. 

Actually, as far as fit goes, it looks like he's had a lot of outsourcing experience in the past, which is something that I feel is sorely needed at CIG, although I don't think that will be part of his job description. 

GrumpyHobbit

If you work for CIG in the HR department then sure, you should be vetting employees. 

If not then I have to wonder why you can't focus your obsessive compulsion disorder into something useful and less ridiculous. 

gir243

GrumpyHobbit said:

If you work for CIG in the HR department then sure, you should be vetting employees. 

If not then I have to wonder why you can't focus your obsessive compulsion disorder into something useful and less ridiculous. 

Yet you felt the "need" to reply   Maybe you should also express your concern for those that constantly post all of those 10FTCs and other news for their "OCD".

I personally enjoy reading alternative views on the development of SC, with the exception of the emotion-fueled tirades from both supporters and detractors. 

Brenics

All I can do is laugh knowing this guy will fit right in with the rest. Wonder if that new guy still works for them after spilling the beans on models being redone. :-D

GrumpyHobbit

gir243 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

If you work for CIG in the HR department then sure, you should be vetting employees. 

If not then I have to wonder why you can't focus your obsessive compulsion disorder into something useful and less ridiculous. 

Yet you felt the "need" to reply   Maybe you should also express your concern for those that constantly post all of those 10FTCs and other news for their "OCD".

I personally enjoy reading alternative views on the development of SC, with the exception of the emotion-fueled tirades from both supporters and detractors. 

I wonder which banned account you are?

Solar_Prophet

A scammer hiring another scammer... well, you know what they say about birds flocking and all that. 

Adjuvant1

The guy bailed on a Kickstarter project and has not communicated with his backers for, literally, months and months. Under any other circumstance, around these forums and rightfully, the guy would be public enemy number one. For some reason, because he now works at Star Citizen, he might just be a pretty cool guy who's really misunderstood. Failure is failure, but give a little respect to the crowdfunders?

Vrika said:

Does his previous failure have anything to do with his current position at CIG?

Someone who's epic failure at managing a business can still be brilliant at making art for computer games, and last I checked CIG was out there to make a brilliant computer game, not out there to mete out justice and punish people for sins they've committed.

Talonsin

Solar_Prophet said:

A scammer hiring another scammer... well, you know what they say about birds flocking and all that. 

Solar!  Where you been hiding?  Haven't seen you around in quite a while but it could just be because I have been hanging out in the armpit threads of the forum lately. 

Distopia

Adjuvant1 said:

 Am I going to find more of this if I take the time to dig?

Probably, there are plenty of cases of abandon-ware in the game industry. As well as cases of people leaving failing projects. Retrospectively, should the former lead developer recently the subject of a thread here get a job on Descent? He left a game all kinds of people pledged to, with all kinds of drama surrounding it.

Talonsin

Vrika said:

Does his previous failure have anything to do with his current position at CIG?

Yeah! 
Just because this guy ripped off backers in a kickstarter doesn't mean he should not be working for another company using kickstarter money?  Oh wait, that is not a very good argument.  It is like hiring a guy to work for you making games who ripped off a bunch of gamers.  Crap!  That isnt right either.  Its like if you found out your neighbor was a meth addict.  As long as he is not a pedo then he is ok to watch your teenage kids.  Oh wait...

AnnaTS

I hope no one who gave SC money also gave this guy money that would be such a slap in the face.

Distopia

Talonsin said:

Vrika said:

Does his previous failure have anything to do with his current position at CIG?

Yeah! 
Just because this guy ripped off backers in a kickstarter doesn't mean he should not be working for another company using kickstarter money?  Oh wait, that is not a very good argument.  It is like hiring a guy to work for you making games who ripped off a bunch of gamers.  Crap!  That isnt right either.  Its like if you found out your neighbor was a meth addict.  As long as he is not a pedo then he is ok to watch your teenage kids.  Oh wait...

The project failed sure, but in the end backers are just a funding source.. I can't look at every single instance of a failed project as a scam, or act of ill intent. I have no idea what went on at the studio or why the guy left.


 Besides...Using such logic no one who has ever worked on or left a failed project, should work in the industry again.  In most cases someone lost money (or according to displayed logic, people were scammed).

rojoArcueid

he scammed his own backers dry, now he wants to scam someone else's backers dry too. Wait to go. Send him to Konami as a senior janitor manager.

Adjuvant1

Distopia said:

Adjuvant1 said:

 Am I going to find more of this if I take the time to dig?

Probably, there are plenty of cases of abandon-ware in the game industry. As well as cases of people leaving failing projects. Retrospectively, should the former lead developer recently the subject of a thread here get a job on Descent? He left a game all kinds of people pledged to, with all kinds of drama surrounding it.

Well, my kneejerk reaction would be, "he at least shouldn't be Senior something Manager", but I don't know about the issue to which you're referring. I'm not arguing at all, "people should not ever get jobs again in the industry". There are plenty of positions in studios, QA tester, receptionist, janitor, data entry. 

If you want to link it, I can discuss it better.

Distopia

Adjuvant1 said:

Distopia said:

Adjuvant1 said:

 Am I going to find more of this if I take the time to dig?

Probably, there are plenty of cases of abandon-ware in the game industry. As well as cases of people leaving failing projects. Retrospectively, should the former lead developer recently the subject of a thread here get a job on Descent? He left a game all kinds of people pledged to, with all kinds of drama surrounding it.

Well, my kneejerk reaction would be, "he at least shouldn't be Senior something Manager", but I don't know about the issue to which you're referring. I'm not arguing at all, "people should not ever get jobs again in the industry". There are plenty of positions in studios, QA tester, receptionist, janitor, data entry. 

If you want to link it, I can discuss it better.

He's the creative lead on descent. 

Kefo

Distopia said:

Talonsin said:

Vrika said:

Does his previous failure have anything to do with his current position at CIG?

Yeah! 
Just because this guy ripped off backers in a kickstarter doesn't mean he should not be working for another company using kickstarter money?  Oh wait, that is not a very good argument.  It is like hiring a guy to work for you making games who ripped off a bunch of gamers.  Crap!  That isnt right either.  Its like if you found out your neighbor was a meth addict.  As long as he is not a pedo then he is ok to watch your teenage kids.  Oh wait...

The project failed sure, but in the end backers are just a funding source.. I can't look at every single instance of a failed project as a scam, or act of ill intent. 


 Besides...Using such logic no one who has ever worked on or left a failed project, should work in the industry again.  In most cases someone lost money (or according to displayed logic, people were scammed).

Slight difference in leaving a project that still has people going full tilt on and leaving a project as the lead dev, going silent to your community and banning anyone who voices a negative opinion.

Adjuvant1

Distopia said:

He's the creative lead on descent. 

Yeh, but, the extent of the damage to his reputation from the previous project? Link would be good.

Distopia

Kefo said:

Distopia said:

The project failed sure, but in the end backers are just a funding source.. I can't look at every single instance of a failed project as a scam, or act of ill intent. 


 Besides...Using such logic no one who has ever worked on or left a failed project, should work in the industry again.  In most cases someone lost money (or according to displayed logic, people were scammed).

Slight difference in leaving a project that still has people going full tilt on and leaving a project as the lead dev, going silent to your community and banning anyone who voices a negative opinion.

Be that as it may, I do not feel informed enough to outright say the guy is guilty of true wrong doing. As I said in my edit, I have no idea what went on with said game, or the reason he left. Could have simply been for greener pastures, which would be understandable, if the project he had was going south. That would be just about any working professional's decision, not an actual act of ill-intent.

Adjuvant1

Kefo said:

Distopia said:

Talonsin said:

Vrika said:

Does his previous failure have anything to do with his current position at CIG?

Yeah! 
Just because this guy ripped off backers in a kickstarter doesn't mean he should not be working for another company using kickstarter money?  Oh wait, that is not a very good argument.  It is like hiring a guy to work for you making games who ripped off a bunch of gamers.  Crap!  That isnt right either.  Its like if you found out your neighbor was a meth addict.  As long as he is not a pedo then he is ok to watch your teenage kids.  Oh wait...

The project failed sure, but in the end backers are just a funding source.. I can't look at every single instance of a failed project as a scam, or act of ill intent. 


 Besides...Using such logic no one who has ever worked on or left a failed project, should work in the industry again.  In most cases someone lost money (or according to displayed logic, people were scammed).

Slight difference in leaving a project that still has people going full tilt on and leaving a project as the lead dev, going silent to your community and banning anyone who voices a negative opinion.

Well, that, and why do people seem to think it's just ok that every tom, dick and harry starts a crowdfunding campaign for a video game? Shouldn't these failures be taken to task? We should be working to raise the bar of "what's acceptable", not progressively lowering it, providing for every side show that wants to blow through town.

Distopia

Adjuvant1 said:

Distopia said:

He's the creative lead on descent. 

Yeh, but, the extent of the damage to his reputation from the previous project? Link would be good.

I don't think it damaged his reputation what so ever, that wasn't the point. The question was should it have?

Adjuvant1

Distopia said:

Kefo said:

Distopia said:

The project failed sure, but in the end backers are just a funding source.. I can't look at every single instance of a failed project as a scam, or act of ill intent. 


 Besides...Using such logic no one who has ever worked on or left a failed project, should work in the industry again.  In most cases someone lost money (or according to displayed logic, people were scammed).

Slight difference in leaving a project that still has people going full tilt on and leaving a project as the lead dev, going silent to your community and banning anyone who voices a negative opinion.

Be that as it may, I do not feel informed enough to outright say the guy is guilty of true wrong doing. As I said in my edit, I have no idea what went on with said game, or the reason he left. Could have simply been for greener pastures, which would be understandable, if the project he had was going south. That would be a just about any working professional's decision, not an actual act of ill-intent.

Defense, now, of admittedly bad ethic, ethic which now represents an aspect of CIG. Hey, explain it away how you like, if you're not going to "get it", you won't "get it". People who "get it" won't be pleased.