Blader release will cause a big spike in interest. When they allow cash shop items to be sold on the marketplace, there's going to be a big backlash. Both of these things are going to happen, it's a matter of when and how Daum orders them that will determine when the game is going to hit the fan.
Also it's very likely there will be a pretty big fallout once the crafters/traders hit 45 and beyond. Eventually that's going to happen and all signs point to it not being a pleasant experience for them.
Don't really think the fact that the marketplace is borked is going to push away too many people. If they can stand the 1 free tattered outfit/no dye/pay for advantage cash shop, they're likely to gloss over not being able to buy whatever they want in the marketplace.
This is all assuming Daum can manage to keep the game functioning. Seems like there's been some pretty big bugs lately (people on EU getting 300x xp for fishing this weekend, for example, mobs not attacking as another recent example).
My estimate: 3 months. Game won't die but lots will be bailing. Then f2p kicks in giving it another good 2 months with the fresh blood.
I agree, but I'm not saying this will cause the game to die though. I'm just saying its a problem, and in its current state, if it isnt addressed it will get a lot worse for everyone playing. I like BDO, i think its a good game. But anyone who says the marketplace and economy isnt a problem is delusional.
monochrome19 said:
Here's one example: If the economy in BDO crumbles, it will be impossible to make a profit on anything, rendering crafting useless. No one is selling good boats and horses because they wont make a profit. Its a waste of their time, this leads to a lot of expensive crafted materials being horded. Anyone unlucky enough to need or not be able to get something deemed unworthy is out of luck.
This is just one example however. It will get much worse.
You are trying to fight subjective perception with a reason...your loss is inevitable.
They simply do not care about reason or whether economy work or not because it does not affect their enjoyment of the game.
Unfortunately their lack of critical thinking and perception being severly limited and narrowed does not allow for any discussion - "if I am enjoying the game and you are not, you are doing it wrong". That is their "argument" in a wallnut-shell...
Stupid? Yeah....you can't beat stupidity with a reason.
monochrome19 said:
Here's one example: If the economy in BDO crumbles, it will be impossible to make a profit on anything, rendering crafting useless. No one is selling good boats and horses because they wont make a profit. Its a waste of their time, this leads to a lot of expensive crafted materials being horded. Anyone unlucky enough to need or not be able to get something deemed unworthy is out of luck.
This is just one example however. It will get much worse.
You are trying to fight subjective perception with a reason...your loss is inevitable.
They simply do not care whether economy work or reason because it does not affect their enjoyment of the game.
Unfortunately their lack of critical thinking and perception being severly limited and narrowed does not allow for any discussion - "if I am enjoying the game and you are not, you are doing it wrong". That is their "argument" in a wallnut-shell...Stupid? Yeah....
Who is more stupid, pray tell, ...
... the person who is currently enjoying the game in all its glorious splendor, and is personally invested in talking about it because they play it on a regular basis, or the person who does not play the game and finds the game totally worthless yet is obsessed with going to that game's forums on a daily basis and criticizing it to no end, when they could instead move on and be doing something they actually enjoy doing themselves? Talk about walnut sized mental capacities? ... I won't hold my breath waiting for that answer lol
Price controls have been causing gluts and shortages for millennia. There's no reason to expect that wouldn't happen if you implemented them in an MMORPG.
The real question is why they'd go with a fixed price range that can't adjust if it's obviously wrong. That basically amounts to a ban on trading particular, random items for no real gameplay reason.
The real question is why they'd go with a fixed price range that can't adjust if it's obviously wrong. That basically amounts to a ban on trading particular, random items for no real gameplay reason.
Thing is, it does adjust. Just not the items that detractors like to cherry pick. The 4 individual Agerian armor pieces that I already noted more than tripled in price and now they're back to low prices because most players have moved on to better armor.
But trivial shit that everyone has easy access to, no matter how useful - the potatoes in the linked reddit original post for example - why in the world would they increase in price when everyone who plays the game grows their own with zero effort?
This game is neither a free market economic simulator nor is it crafter-slanted. The best things in this game are things that drop from mobs. People can either like it or not, that's fair enough, but all these predictions of doom based on nothing more than personal dislike for the system are asinine.
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The real question is why they'd go with a fixed price range that can't adjust if it's obviously wrong. That basically amounts to a ban on trading particular, random items for no real gameplay reason.
Thing is, it does adjust. Just not the items that detractors like to cherry pick. The 4 individual Agerian armor pieces that I already noted more than tripled in price and now they're back to low prices because most players have moved on to better armor.
But trivial shit that everyone has easy access to, no matter how useful - the potatoes in the linked reddit original post for example - why in the world would they increase in price when everyone who plays the game grows their own with zero effort?
This game is neither a free market economic simulator nor is it crafter-slanted. The best things in this game are things that drop from mobs. People can either like it or not, that's fair enough, but all these predictions of doom based on nothing more than personal dislike for the system are asinine.
You can craft better versions of items than the gear that's dropped off mobs.
Energy helps the market as people will buy processed mats to save energy to use on crafting materials/items.
monochrome19 said:
Here's one example: If the economy in BDO crumbles, it will be impossible to make a profit on anything, rendering crafting useless. No one is selling good boats and horses because they wont make a profit. Its a waste of their time, this leads to a lot of expensive crafted materials being horded. Anyone unlucky enough to need or not be able to get something deemed unworthy is out of luck.
This is just one example however. It will get much worse.
You are trying to fight subjective perception with a reason...your loss is inevitable.
They simply do not care about reason or whether economy work or not because it does not affect their enjoyment of the game.
Unfortunately their lack of critical thinking and perception being severly limited and narrowed does not allow for any discussion - "if I am enjoying the game and you are not, you are doing it wrong". That is their "argument" in a wallnut-shell...
Stupid? Yeah....you can't beat stupidity with a reason.
I'm simply trying to understand where the "downfall" comes from. Sure the game might lose some people more worried about the crafting side of the game, yet since when is that new or has resulted in an overall crash of the game itself? What's stupid about not worrying about whether a game allows one to "profit"...? That's quite the statement to make, especially when one is speaking on critical thought.
Just for the record asking a question is the very essence of promoting discussion. Trying to "shame" others is not.
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Price controls have been causing gluts and shortages for millennia. There's no reason to expect that wouldn't happen if you implemented them in an MMORPG.
The real question is why they'd go with a fixed price range that can't adjust if it's obviously wrong. That basically amounts to a ban on trading particular, random items for no real gameplay reason.
The ranges were supposed to change with input, but it's clear Daum has them on the lowest setting, if they change at all. Their priority is preventing goldselling and they want to prevent any way for goldsellers to manipulate the system. If that means you have to run a script to buy a popular item off the marketplace, so be it.
At this point I'm not sure it's all worth it. BnS, for example, is full of bots. It doesn't impact my gameplay at all, currently. It did for a little bit in Arena but I haven't actually seen a bot in a long time. No trading and not being able to buy popular items would impact my gameplay, however.
After awhile you just get used to them. Like Jaesung says, "We have lots of family. They sell dumpling, 1,000, very cheap. They are very nice guys."
It's sort of a weird situation currently in our version of BDO. The marketplace/trade thing is set up so all gold-buying goes through the Devs (by buying stuff on the cash shop and selling it on the marketplace).
We don't currently have that, so for the time being, the system doesn't seem to be too beneficial to player or Dev.
It could just be my perception, but I have done a lot of thinking on the economy in BDO, and it seems like they designed the game AROUND a regulated economy. They didn't just tack-on the regulations. This economy seems that it would be impossible to crash.
Certain things aren't worth selling though, so keep in mind that if you can't find potatoes on the AH, it means you need to grow your own. Some may say that sucks, but I like the fact that actual things of value maintain their value on the AH. This means that any newcomer will have the same leveling experience that you had even if it's month's late. (ex. a blackstone will always be around 300,000s and the amount of work needed to acquire 300,000s will remain the same now and in the future because it's all regulated.
I have come late to the party on certain games and everything is hyper-inflated and you are trying to buy a health potion for twice your amount of accumulated gold after 24+hrs of playing a new game.
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The real question is why they'd go with a fixed price range that can't adjust if it's obviously wrong. That basically amounts to a ban on trading particular, random items for no real gameplay reason.
Thing is, it does adjust. Just not the items that detractors like to cherry pick. The 4 individual Agerian armor pieces that I already noted more than tripled in price and now they're back to low prices because most players have moved on to better armor.
But trivial shit that everyone has easy access to, no matter how useful - the potatoes in the linked reddit original post for example - why in the world would they increase in price when everyone who plays the game grows their own with zero effort?
This game is neither a free market economic simulator nor is it crafter-slanted. The best things in this game are things that drop from mobs. People can either like it or not, that's fair enough, but all these predictions of doom based on nothing more than personal dislike for the system are asinine.
You can craft better versions of items than the gear that's dropped off mobs.
Energy helps the market as people will buy processed mats to save energy to use on crafting materials/items.
Yup. I know you can improve on drops and a few crafted things do sell OK. I've kept up my plywood production and I sell melted copper and iron shards because, why not... free worker labor plus many alts for processing. But I don't expect to get rich from that.
I was speaking in general terms. Most MMOs these days cater to the crafters big time, this one doesn't. Most things are only worth the effort if you're doing it for yourself - boats and high tier horse breeding both fall into that category.
Considering all the micromanagement needed to train and breed horses or gather material for a boat and then manage workers for many hours there is very little economic reward in that compared to just going after Witches earrings, Ogre rings or just black stones. That's one hell of a lot more efficient and rewarding considering your effort.
What I hear behind the complaints is that the MP pricing doesn't reward the effort behind some of these tedious activities appropriately. And it's true. But it's also true that it's obviously done that way deliberately to channel you into doing it for yourself.
What the self-proclaimed economic genius critics are missing is really simple: it ain't designed to do it the way you want.
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monochrome19 said:
Here's one example: If the economy in BDO crumbles, it will be impossible to make a profit on anything, rendering crafting useless. No one is selling good boats and horses because they wont make a profit. Its a waste of their time, this leads to a lot of expensive crafted materials being horded. Anyone unlucky enough to need or not be able to get something deemed unworthy is out of luck.
This is just one example however. It will get much worse.
You are trying to fight subjective perception with a reason...your loss is inevitable.
They simply do not care about reason or whether economy work or not because it does not affect their enjoyment of the game.
Unfortunately their lack of critical thinking and perception being severly limited and narrowed does not allow for any discussion - "if I am enjoying the game and you are not, you are doing it wrong". That is their "argument" in a wallnut-shell...
Stupid? Yeah....you can't beat stupidity with a reason.
Yeah. Pretty much, you cant fight stupidity with logic. My fault for trying.
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This is a feature of every MMO that is adjusted by the development team. When things go in the wrong direction they adjust. How is this any different than any other MMO. This is not the first MMO with fixed prices.
I remember these kinds of post in reference to SWG during the NGE, the economy is doomed therefor the game is doomed. Yet the game survived on such a system much longer than it existed under it's prior economically focused core.
I don't think losing more than half of the sub-base in 1 swiping change is really considered "surviving" - that would be like saying technically you lost both arms you are still having a decent quality of life, lol
I agree with your point, but SWG is probably a bad example. Very bad example.
I remember these kinds of post in reference to SWG during the NGE, the economy is doomed therefor the game is doomed. Yet the game survived on such a system much longer than it existed under it's prior economically focused core.
I don't think losing more than half of the sub-base in 1 swiping change is really considered "surviving" - that would be like saying technically you lost both arms you are still having a decent quality of life, lol
I agree with your point, but SWG is probably a bad example. Very bad example.
But SWG's failing wasnt the economy.
But about the OP. The thing is, a lot of players that think like you are interested in making huge profits on the AH. I have seen this in other games. People want to continue playing the market and making money. Yes the devs have fixed some prices, but honestly, those prices fluctuate a bit.
This game has crafting, but it isnt the usual "craft and become rich".
Like most things in BDO.....you want something......its going to take some time. There is no money shortcut in the market. There may be some cash shop shortcuts, but that is different.
Not sure how the marketplace economy is going to doom the game.......but please feel free to show an example of an MMO with fixed marketplace prices that was doomed because of it. Crafting and profits have been an issue in other MMOs before, but I dont see many examples of MMOs failing because "marketplace or AH issues"
But I could be mistaken.....but I havent really heard that as the reason for players leaving in mass numbers in other situations
To be clear, I mainly PvP. I've never played the marketplace in any MMO. Nor do I like doing so. However, I realize how having money and using the marketplace can benefit me as a PvP player. Crafting and all that is ranked pretty lowly in my mind when playing an MMO, however in order for virtual worlds to function, there must be overlap. Many things overlap with the economy. As a PvPer, even if I dont care about the market collapsing, I care about it effecting PvP.
To quote Pericles, "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.”
You dont have to care about the economy collapsing. Just be mindful, the effects of it will negatively alter your playing experience. Regardless of if you take interest or not.
Reading the sites own official forums, it doesn't sound like the game is all rainbows and unicorns as many on here would like you to believe. I don't know, since I don't play it, but from the sampling of the forums around the net where topics for BDO exist, it reads like the honeymoon is over and we are already at the 5 year itch.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
I have little problem with the market as is. The only items I think that should be tweaked are stuff like wagons and boats. Those are the only items that seem to have a fixed price, unless I missed others ?
The price of the items I use vary greatly. For example, today sunflower seeds price went from 80k this morning to around 30k this evening. Some items price seem to adjust a lot faster than others, probably based on volume sold.
how can the economy crash when this shit is being controlled by the devs? #logicthinking
how did our economy crash when it is controlled by our devs?
Because it was controlled by our devs, not the players.
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People who whine about not being to buy a certain crafted/gathered thing off the market place because people are not selling them are not out of luck, they are lazy. If you build it, you will not have to buy it.
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Reading the sites own official forums, it doesn't sound like the game is all rainbows and unicorns as many on here would like you to believe. I don't know, since I don't play it, but from the sampling of the forums around the net where topics for BDO exist, it reads like the honeymoon is over and we are already at the 5 year itch.
It definitely doesn't feel like that in game, only a very small percentage of people actually post on forums. The ones who normally post negative things can normally be traced back to whatever game they are trying to keep alive with their trash talk, or are just normally critics of every game but their pet one if they have it.
The servers are still packed most of the day, no matter how you look at it, people are still playing. Who knows how long that will last, but with the fact people don't have to worry about subscription, many players will come flowing back for every major update as with most games. With the current gaming market stagnation nothing else really grabs my attention that is actually launched and playable.
As for all this you can't make profit garbage I've made millions of silver crafting and selling boats, horses, high value weapons and armor, and some daily fishing. With fishing I can make millions per day if I stick at it a few hours. You just need to know hotspots, and learn how to connect your nodes and sell at high prices. I also make silver daily by taking advantage of the special deals tab on the marketplace at night when prices of good items are low. I relist them in the morning and make a decent profit. It's not as easy to game the market in BDO but it can be done.
There will definitely be a natural slowing of the market though once people are more geared, the regular easy items like yuria, and Grunil will sell less. That's normal in most games though, and it's also the reason they add new items with bosses ect. Right now if you list a Tier 3 horse on the market it's purchased instantly, people are always standing at the stable waiting to buy. Eventually people will have their tier 3 horses and they will stay listed longer, that's how economy works, but eventually they will want a tier 6 horse. Then tier 8 will come out, and people will need those.
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assume that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up on information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
As far as warning others ... get off that pedestal hater. It's all jealousy, and nothing but jealousy, because you all are seething inside at the fact that others are having fun with a game and you're not. We all know your kind, you're not fooling anyone.
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assuming that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assuming that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Who are you to say there isn't any useful information to be found here. This is the BDO forum after all. I've read plenty of threads with useful information here. Not that you would know since your only purpose here is to hate on the game.
Btw, that "fanboy" name calling is what the childish and immature posters resort to when they have nothing meaningful to say while discussing a game with another player who is obviously enjoying the game. How old are you? Nine? Rid yourself of that envy. You don't wear it well.
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assuming that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Why the need to call him a fanboy? You're the same way with Blade and Soul. Non of the BDO players are intentionally searching through every BnS post trying to trash talk it so people will play BDO. You're literally doing the same thing he, is but in reverse. You're saying he's wrong because he's a fanboy, he's saying you're wrong because you're fanboy of a different game etc.
Here's the thing, you're both right, and you're both wrong. BDO isn't going to be perfect for everyone, and BnS damn sure isn't perfect for everyone. Trying to say otherwise is just you being (in your words) a fanboy. How about we let people make their own choices, and play the games they like without needing to trash talk one another for it.
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They simply do not care about reason or whether economy work or not because it does not affect their enjoyment of the game.
Unfortunately their lack of critical thinking and perception being severly limited and narrowed does not allow for any discussion - "if I am enjoying the game and you are not, you are doing it wrong". That is their "argument" in a wallnut-shell...
Stupid? Yeah....you can't beat stupidity with a reason.
... the person who is currently enjoying the game in all its glorious splendor, and is personally invested in talking about it because they play it on a regular basis, or the person who does not play the game and finds the game totally worthless yet is obsessed with going to that game's forums on a daily basis and criticizing it to no end, when they could instead move on and be doing something they actually enjoy doing themselves? Talk about walnut sized mental capacities? ... I won't hold my breath waiting for that answer lol
The real question is why they'd go with a fixed price range that can't adjust if it's obviously wrong. That basically amounts to a ban on trading particular, random items for no real gameplay reason.
But trivial shit that everyone has easy access to, no matter how useful - the potatoes in the linked reddit original post for example - why in the world would they increase in price when everyone who plays the game grows their own with zero effort?
This game is neither a free market economic simulator nor is it crafter-slanted. The best things in this game are things that drop from mobs. People can either like it or not, that's fair enough, but all these predictions of doom based on nothing more than personal dislike for the system are asinine.
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Energy helps the market as people will buy processed mats to save energy to use on crafting materials/items.
Just for the record asking a question is the very essence of promoting discussion. Trying to "shame" others is not.
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At this point I'm not sure it's all worth it. BnS, for example, is full of bots. It doesn't impact my gameplay at all, currently. It did for a little bit in Arena but I haven't actually seen a bot in a long time. No trading and not being able to buy popular items would impact my gameplay, however.
After awhile you just get used to them. Like Jaesung says, "We have lots of family. They sell dumpling, 1,000, very cheap. They are very nice guys."
It's sort of a weird situation currently in our version of BDO. The marketplace/trade thing is set up so all gold-buying goes through the Devs (by buying stuff on the cash shop and selling it on the marketplace).
We don't currently have that, so for the time being, the system doesn't seem to be too beneficial to player or Dev.
Certain things aren't worth selling though, so keep in mind that if you can't find potatoes on the AH, it means you need to grow your own. Some may say that sucks, but I like the fact that actual things of value maintain their value on the AH. This means that any newcomer will have the same leveling experience that you had even if it's month's late. (ex. a blackstone will always be around 300,000s and the amount of work needed to acquire 300,000s will remain the same now and in the future because it's all regulated.
I have come late to the party on certain games and everything is hyper-inflated and you are trying to buy a health potion for twice your amount of accumulated gold after 24+hrs of playing a new game.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I was speaking in general terms. Most MMOs these days cater to the crafters big time, this one doesn't. Most things are only worth the effort if you're doing it for yourself - boats and high tier horse breeding both fall into that category.
Considering all the micromanagement needed to train and breed horses or gather material for a boat and then manage workers for many hours there is very little economic reward in that compared to just going after Witches earrings, Ogre rings or just black stones. That's one hell of a lot more efficient and rewarding considering your effort.
What I hear behind the complaints is that the MP pricing doesn't reward the effort behind some of these tedious activities appropriately. And it's true. But it's also true that it's obviously done that way deliberately to channel you into doing it for yourself.
What the self-proclaimed economic genius critics are missing is really simple: it ain't designed to do it the way you want.
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I agree with your point, but SWG is probably a bad example. Very bad example.
But about the OP. The thing is, a lot of players that think like you are interested in making huge profits on the AH. I have seen this in other games. People want to continue playing the market and making money. Yes the devs have fixed some prices, but honestly, those prices fluctuate a bit.
This game has crafting, but it isnt the usual "craft and become rich".
Like most things in BDO.....you want something......its going to take some time. There is no money shortcut in the market. There may be some cash shop shortcuts, but that is different.
Not sure how the marketplace economy is going to doom the game.......but please feel free to show an example of an MMO with fixed marketplace prices that was doomed because of it. Crafting and profits have been an issue in other MMOs before, but I dont see many examples of MMOs failing because "marketplace or AH issues"
But I could be mistaken.....but I havent really heard that as the reason for players leaving in mass numbers in other situations
To quote Pericles, "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.”
You dont have to care about the economy collapsing. Just be mindful, the effects of it will negatively alter your playing experience. Regardless of if you take interest or not.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
The price of the items I use vary greatly. For example, today sunflower seeds price went from 80k this morning to around 30k this evening. Some items price seem to adjust a lot faster than others, probably based on volume sold.
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Can't he make his own potatoes?
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
The servers are still packed most of the day, no matter how you look at it, people are still playing. Who knows how long that will last, but with the fact people don't have to worry about subscription, many players will come flowing back for every major update as with most games. With the current gaming market stagnation nothing else really grabs my attention that is actually launched and playable.
As for all this you can't make profit garbage I've made millions of silver crafting and selling boats, horses, high value weapons and armor, and some daily fishing. With fishing I can make millions per day if I stick at it a few hours. You just need to know hotspots, and learn how to connect your nodes and sell at high prices. I also make silver daily by taking advantage of the special deals tab on the marketplace at night when prices of good items are low. I relist them in the morning and make a decent profit. It's not as easy to game the market in BDO but it can be done.
There will definitely be a natural slowing of the market though once people are more geared, the regular easy items like yuria, and Grunil will sell less. That's normal in most games though, and it's also the reason they add new items with bosses ect. Right now if you list a Tier 3 horse on the market it's purchased instantly, people are always standing at the stable waiting to buy. Eventually people will have their tier 3 horses and they will stay listed longer, that's how economy works, but eventually they will want a tier 6 horse. Then tier 8 will come out, and people will need those.
... or those that assume that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up on information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
As far as warning others ... get off that pedestal hater. It's all jealousy, and nothing but jealousy, because you all are seething inside at the fact that others are having fun with a game and you're not. We all know your kind, you're not fooling anyone.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Who are you to say there isn't any useful information to be found here. This is the BDO forum after all. I've read plenty of threads with useful information here. Not that you would know since your only purpose here is to hate on the game.
Btw, that "fanboy" name calling is what the childish and immature posters resort to when they have nothing meaningful to say while discussing a game with another player who is obviously enjoying the game. How old are you? Nine? Rid yourself of that envy. You don't wear it well.
Here's the thing, you're both right, and you're both wrong. BDO isn't going to be perfect for everyone, and BnS damn sure isn't perfect for everyone. Trying to say otherwise is just you being (in your words) a fanboy. How about we let people make their own choices, and play the games they like without needing to trash talk one another for it.