There are some pricing disparities for sure (a good example is it takes 10 x hide at 2k to make a fine hide that sells for 6k!) However i believe this is deliberate to encourage people to craft or set up workers. That fine hide may only have a marketplace price tag of 6k, but if its a much needed mat for yourself whilst making tier 3 tools, to you, its worth a lot more and is worth the time and effort to craft yourself (no one is ever going to sell them at a loss)
Yes, you will never be able to buy potatoes as they insta sell, so it forces you to set up your own workers to harvest potatoes. This game wouldn't be half as interesting if you could just buy everything you need. I have over 3k potaoes in my storage now. They are a valuable commodity and there's not a chance in hell im ever going to sell them for the pittance that the marketplace is stating.
Economy crash? i dont think so. Because of the unique way this economy is set up, it wont ever crash because pricing is completely controlled by the devs
so you think it's a good thing the game FORCES you to do things even if you don't want to do them?
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assuming that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Why the need to call him a fanboy? You're the same way with Blade and Soul. Non of the BDO players are intentionally searching through every BnS post trying to trash talk it so people will play BDO. You're literally doing the same thing he, is but in reverse. You're saying he's wrong because he's a fanboy, he's saying you're wrong because your fanboy of a different game etc.
Here's the thing, you're both right, and you're both wrong. BDO isn't going to be perfect for everyone, and BnS damn sure isn't perfect for everyone. Trying to say otherwise is just you being (in your words) a fanboy. How about we let people make their own choices, and play the games they like without needing to trash talk one another for it.
He and I are doing no such similar thing. I never called this person a "fanboy" for enjoying a different game. There is a bigger difference than that between he and I. And that is that I am over on the BDO forums minding my business, discussing a game that I am playing and enjoying, instead of going on other game's forums, hating and trolling other players about a game that I am not only not playing, but know very little about. When I don't like a game, I simply ignore it and move on. I am not the type of person that would troll other players who are having fun enjoying a game. That, to me, makes no sense. I just ain't petty like that. As a matter of fact, I am likely to go "fanboy" on haters, even though I am not playing or likeing a game, just because I despise the mentality of a person that would go to the extent of chastising others for enjoying themselves while playing a game. There is no comparison between our actions.
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assuming that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Why the need to call him a fanboy? You're the same way with Blade and Soul. Non of the BDO players are intentionally searching through every BnS post trying to trash talk it so people will play BDO. You're literally doing the same thing he, is but in reverse. You're saying he's wrong because he's a fanboy, he's saying you're wrong because you're fanboy of a different game etc.
Here's the thing, you're both right, and you're both wrong. BDO isn't going to be perfect for everyone, and BnS damn sure isn't perfect for everyone. Trying to say otherwise is just you being (in your words) a fanboy. How about we let people make their own choices, and play the games they like without needing to trash talk one another for it.
I agree with you to an extent, but honestly I'm way more tolerant of someone who is extremely passionate about a game defending it, than someone extremely passionate about bashing it.
I posted a review of Black Desert a while ago and the economy/marketplace is one of the things I highlighted because its dreadful. Well ... people are starting to notice. So, lets start the countdown. How long do you think BDO has until everything hits the fan? I give it a month or two before the economy crashes and everything in the MP is useless.
I'm on mobile so sorry for any errors.
I just want to toss my ten cents in as someone that uses the market several times a day selling raw resources. I have have not encountered any issues with it. I can not think of a single way the economy is going to fail. Even more so since 90% of the stuff in the game can not be traded between players without using the market. By the dev's controlling the max and min prices they can keep a some kind of control over the economy so that things do not go super out of control like in some other MMO's.
I could only imagine if it was a free open market system that blackstones and armor stones would be going for 5 mil + per and it would effectly lock a portion of the playerbase out of it.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Why the need to call him a fanboy? You're the same way with Blade and Soul. Non of the BDO players are intentionally searching through every BnS post trying to trash talk it so people will play BDO. You're literally doing the same thing he, is but in reverse. You're saying he's wrong because he's a fanboy, he's saying you're wrong because you're fanboy of a different game etc.
Here's the thing, you're both right, and you're both wrong. BDO isn't going to be perfect for everyone, and BnS damn sure isn't perfect for everyone. Trying to say otherwise is just you being (in your words) a fanboy. How about we let people make their own choices, and play the games they like without needing to trash talk one another for it.
I agree with you to an extent, but honestly I'm way more tolerant of someone who is extremely passionate about a game defending it, than someone extremely passionate about bashing it.
I actually enjoy reading about people enjoying themselves while playing a game. That is a good thing and nothing to fume green over. The best analogy I can think of is a person watching kids having fun playing a game in a playground, and seething under their teeth because other kids are having fun while they are not. The behavior is dumbfounding to me and I can't help but advocate against it when ever I witness it.
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assuming that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Why the need to call him a fanboy? You're the same way with Blade and Soul. Non of the BDO players are intentionally searching through every BnS post trying to trash talk it so people will play BDO. You're literally doing the same thing he, is but in reverse. You're saying he's wrong because he's a fanboy, he's saying you're wrong because your fanboy of a different game etc.
Here's the thing, you're both right, and you're both wrong. BDO isn't going to be perfect for everyone, and BnS damn sure isn't perfect for everyone. Trying to say otherwise is just you being (in your words) a fanboy. How about we let people make their own choices, and play the games they like without needing to trash talk one another for it.
He and I are doing no such similar thing. I never called this person a "fanboy" for enjoying a different game. There is a bigger difference than that between he and I. And that is that I am over on the BDO forums minding my business, discussing a game that I am playing and enjoying, instead of going on other game's forums, hating and trolling other players about a game that I am not only not playing, but know very little about. When I don't like a game, I simply ignore it and move on. I am not the type of person that would troll other players who are having fun enjoying a game. That, to me, makes no sense. I just ain't petty like that. As a matter of fact, I am likely to go "fanboy" on haters, even though I am not playing or likeing a game, just because I despise the mentality of a person that would go to the extent of chastising others for enjoying themselves while playing a game. There is no comparison between our actions.
Yes I was merely pointing out that he's calling you a "fanboy" in a derogatory manner while being a "fanboy" for BnS himself. Just pointing to the hypocrisy of the justification for the attacks. Not saying you're equally to blame. You're simply defending something you enjoy, in a subforum dedicated to that title. Either way you want to slice it, he's guilty of being (in his words) a "fanboy" to such an extent he would dedicate his time to trash talking a game he doesn't even play. Wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, @LacedOpium ;
I think it is hilarious how some people think a pure free economy is unlikely to collapse. Its like you have been brainwashed into believing that "the invisible hand" knows all.
... or those that assume that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up on information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
As far as warning others ... get off that pedestal hater. It's all jealousy, and nothing but jealousy, because you all are seething inside at the fact that others are having fun with a game and you're not. We all know your kind, you're not fooling anyone.
Speak for yourself. I bought the game after hearing people like you praising it nonstop and thought at least I would get my money's worth. I have got nothing in return yet other than the game basically demanding I put more time into reading guides/ grinding/ etc. while some of the problems the game has can't even be solved by doing those ( camera, movement, UI, you name it..).
I would rather people like you play games I don't enjoy, it means their taste won't have an effect on games I would like, but also I feel obligated to let people know the people praising this game and encouraging others to buy it are probably doing it so that their favorite game gets more profit/ has higher population at the expense of those potential buyers.
Many people enjoy games with depth and finding out the details through external means, not everything requires your hand held all the way to a participation ribbon. Some things are earned and learned through effort, and many people enjoy that. Sorry you don't, maybe Legion will be more to your liking.
You also seem to be saying that you want the game to suffer financially simply because it's not your liking. Better be careful, the next game to fail might be the one you want to play with that attitude.
LMAO what the "its fine" (myopic) crowd fails to realize is, that if EVERYONE starts making or putting the same things on the MP and the prices dont change then the system is broken. Especially if a demand for items that arent getting made continues or even rises and their prices dont change its doubly broken.
If only a few things make money then the game basically forces everyone who wants to make money into doing those same exact things. That doesnt sound like much of a game to me.
Its the same argument games with 'a lot' to do try and make, just because they offer a bunch of mundane meaningless grinds, doesnt man there is 'a lot' to do. Especially if 95% of the stuff that comprises the 'a lot no one wants to do and offers nothing more than a meaningless time sink. Ironically BDO does have a work around for that in their game its called AFK grinding.
Controlled economies never work, in reality or in a game. Especially if it does what it seems this one is doing.
Now the argument people are waiting or people arent at 50 yet could possibly be a small part of it, but if there are some items that sell out immediately and their prices dont go up then there is a problem.
LMAO
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
So true. heh, wonder how many of these kids take a lame econ101 class and are suddenly economists. Free market is an illusion when you can control supply and demand. Price fixing happens all the time in our FREE ECONOMY
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
So true. heh, wonder how many of these kids take a lame econ101 class and are suddenly economists. Free market is an illusion when you can control supply and demand. Price fixing happens all the time in our FREE ECONOMY
Not to mention Quantitative Easing, if the fed wasn't artificially driving down interest rates by purchasing government securities from the market, bread would cost $30 a loaf. People really don't have a clue how world economies work, then they try to equate them to games. Such imaginations.
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
So true. heh, wonder how many of these kids take a lame econ101 class and are suddenly economists. Free market is an illusion when you can control supply and demand. Price fixing happens all the time in our FREE ECONOMY
Not to mention Quantitative Easing, if the fed wasn't artificially driving down interest rates by purchasing government securities from the market, bread would cost $30 a loaf. People really don't have a clue how world economies work, then they try to equate them to games. Such imaginations.
And they also don't have a clue, at how fragile it all really is.
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
So true. heh, wonder how many of these kids take a lame econ101 class and are suddenly economists. Free market is an illusion when you can control supply and demand. Price fixing happens all the time in our FREE ECONOMY
You're giving them too much credit. More likely they got everything they know about economics from Rush Limbaugh.
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... or those that assume that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up on information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
As far as warning others ... get off that pedestal hater. It's all jealousy, and nothing but jealousy, because you all are seething inside at the fact that others are having fun with a game and you're not. We all know your kind, you're not fooling anyone.
Speak for yourself. I bought the game after hearing people like you praising it nonstop and thought at least I would get my money's worth. I have got nothing in return yet other than the game basically demanding I put more time into reading guides/ grinding/ etc. while some of the problems the game has can't even be solved by doing those ( camera, movement, UI, you name it..).
I would rather people like you play games I don't enjoy, it means their taste won't have an effect on games I would like, but also I feel obligated to let people know the people praising this game and encouraging others to buy it are probably doing it so that their favorite game gets more profit/ has higher population at the expense of those potential buyers.
Many people enjoy games with depth and finding out the details through external means, not everything requires your hand held all the way to a participation ribbon. Some things are earned and learned through effort, and many people enjoy that. Sorry you don't, maybe Legion will be more to your liking.
You also seem to be saying that you want the game to suffer financially simply because it's not your liking. Better be careful, the next game to fail might be the one you want to play with that attitude.
Explaining how your unordinary game mechanics work isn't hand holding. I wonder how your type would play chess if the creator of it didn't explain its rules to not "handhold" players. You would probably try to make the highest tower putting all pieces on top of each other and when other people called it stupid you would tell them that they don't understand the depth of the game. We are talking about a game you can play AFK, so let's not be ridiculous and talk about depth.
Wow what a stretch. You got all that from me saying some people like finding things out for themselves? You have a great imagination, do you speak from experience about this chess tower? I'm a great Chess player actually, and I didn't have my hand held either. If it's so shallow, why did you need guides? The backpedal is real.
... or those that assume that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up on information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
As far as warning others ... get off that pedestal hater. It's all jealousy, and nothing but jealousy, because you all are seething inside at the fact that others are having fun with a game and you're not. We all know your kind, you're not fooling anyone.
Speak for yourself. I bought the game after hearing people like you praising it nonstop and thought at least I would get my money's worth. I have got nothing in return yet other than the game basically demanding I put more time into reading guides/ grinding/ etc. while some of the problems the game has can't even be solved by doing those ( camera, movement, UI, you name it..).
I would rather people like you play games I don't enjoy, it means their taste won't have an effect on games I would like, but also I feel obligated to let people know the people praising this game and encouraging others to buy it are probably doing it so that their favorite game gets more profit/ has higher population at the expense of those potential buyers.
Many people enjoy games with depth and finding out the details through external means, not everything requires your hand held all the way to a participation ribbon. Some things are earned and learned through effort, and many people enjoy that. Sorry you don't, maybe Legion will be more to your liking.
You also seem to be saying that you want the game to suffer financially simply because it's not your liking. Better be careful, the next game to fail might be the one you want to play with that attitude.
Explaining how your unordinary game mechanics work isn't hand holding. I wonder how your type would play chess if the creator of it didn't explain its rules to not "handhold" players. You would probably try to make the highest tower putting all pieces on top of each other and when other people called it stupid you would tell them that they don't understand the depth of the game. We are talking about a game you can play AFK, so let's not be ridiculous and talk about depth.
You are right about the game being unintuitive. It took me days to figure out some things and weeks before I started fully seeing the whole game mechanics. There's a lot to the game. So I don't exactly understand how you can think a game has no depth when you don't even know how to play 90% of the game or what the game is even all about. Think about it. There are videos out there that explain how the game works. And most people that are praising the game are doing so because the game offers something new that they haven't seen before and other elements they haven't seen in a long time. 'This whole game needs to fail because I don't like it' attitude is honestly really immature. I will give you credit that you're honest about it. Most hide their true intentions under a false pretense of playing the game with an open mind and no preconceived conclusions.
*Looks over at the AA fan that constantly posts negative things about BDO.*
I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assume that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up on information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
As far as warning others ... get off that pedestal hater. It's all jealousy, and nothing but jealousy, because you all are seething inside at the fact that others are having fun with a game and you're not. We all know your kind, you're not fooling anyone.
I forum lurked while afk fishing, and I mostly fished while I waited for the last few percent on my crops or waiting for an item on the market to sell.
There are some pricing disparities for sure (a good example is it takes 10 x hide at 2k to make a fine hide that sells for 6k!) However i believe this is deliberate to encourage people to craft or set up workers. That fine hide may only have a marketplace price tag of 6k, but if its a much needed mat for yourself whilst making tier 3 tools, to you, its worth a lot more and is worth the time and effort to craft yourself (no one is ever going to sell them at a loss)
Yes, you will never be able to buy potatoes as they insta sell, so it forces you to set up your own workers to harvest potatoes. This game wouldn't be half as interesting if you could just buy everything you need. I have over 3k potaoes in my storage now. They are a valuable commodity and there's not a chance in hell im ever going to sell them for the pittance that the marketplace is stating.
Economy crash? i dont think so. Because of the unique way this economy is set up, it wont ever crash because pricing is completely controlled by the devs
so you think it's a good thing the game FORCES you to do things even if you don't want to do them?
Actually that's called playing by the rules and I can't think of too mamy mmos which dont have ypu do this.
Seems far too many players these days complain about being "forced" to do something.
Forced grouping, grinding, crafting, PVP, cash shop purchases, interaction with other players, etc, it seems they only want to play if the game is totally designed in their favor.
Success in any MMO is achieved by overcoming the challenges and obstacles set forth by the devs, within the rules and designs of the game.
So long story short, yes sometimes you will be "forced" to do disagreeable tasks, how efficiently you manage this is one of the success markers of any good MMO player.
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Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
So true. heh, wonder how many of these kids take a lame econ101 class and are suddenly economists. Free market is an illusion when you can control supply and demand. Price fixing happens all the time in our FREE ECONOMY
You're giving them too much credit. More likely they got everything they know about economics from Rush Limbaugh.
That's even giving them too much credit. The sheer reality is that they got everything they know about economics from playing the AH as an Orc in World of Warcraft.
Distopia said:
What's stupid about not worrying about whether a game allows one to "profit"...?
Because profit means growth...it is not only an incentive but also means to produce/trade more goods. Without profit, the economy dies.
Why should one care about economy? Working economy provides a trade of commodities. You can trade products of your labour for other products. In a video game context, you can do what you enjoy to obtain things either more effectively or things that would otherwise require activity you do not enjoy.
Where is the stupid part? Commodity exchange, is natural aspect of interaction within a social group and it is stupid to pretend there is no merit in working economy, or even claim that it is supposed to "not work".
The BDO economy isn't the way it is and therefore it will die.
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I would say anyone who enjoys the game but instead of playing comes here to argue with people who don't like the game and warn other people of the game's shortcomings.
... or those that assuming that those players enjoying their game are not playing it and simply visiting forums and reading topics discussing their favorite game during down times ... because, you know, researching and reading up information about a game they enjoy is what players do on their game's forums and websites.
You're unlikely to find any useful information on the game here, unless it's reposted from reddit or the forums. Same with any game. The forums on this site are more for debate/discussion than anything else.
Obviously if people are talking about a game they're interested/invested in it, for one reason or another. Just because your investment happens to be "fanboy" doesn't mean that someone that doesn't like the game has a less "valid reason" to be posting.
Trying to turn a discussion to be about why someone is posting is basically you just saying, "Shut up. Your opinion is different than mine, so you shouldn't post."
Who are you to say there isn't any useful information to be found here. This is the BDO forum after all. I've read plenty of threads with useful information here. Not that you would know since your only purpose here is to hate on the game.
Btw, that "fanboy" name calling is what the childish and immature posters resort to when they have nothing meaningful to say while discussing a game with another player who is obviously enjoying the game. How old are you? Nine? Rid yourself of that envy. You don't wear it well.
Your going to accuse me of name-calling? In a thread where you say people that criticize the game have "walnut-sized brain capacities"? In the same post where you call me an envious 9-year-old?
Jesus.
And no, I don't have a singular purpose on this forum to "hate on" the game. It only seems that way because you're a freaking fanboy and anyone that disagrees with you is a mortal enemy.
Btw, I don't think "fanboy" is necessarily perjorative. Certainly no more than blanketing someone as a "hater".
ANYWHO- BACK ON TOPIC
I'm surprised people are still defending the economy in this game. People on other forums are having serious issues with spending 6 hours camping the marketplace trying to buy a popular item before it gets snatched up by marketplace scripts.
But not you guys. If it's in BDO, there can't be anything wrong with it.
LMAO what the "its fine" (myopic) crowd fails to realize is, that if EVERYONE starts making or putting the same things on the MP and the prices dont change then the system is broken. Especially if a demand for items that arent getting made continues or even rises and their prices dont change its doubly broken.
If only a few things make money then the game basically forces everyone who wants to make money into doing those same exact things. That doesnt sound like much of a game to me.
Its the same argument games with 'a lot' to do try and make, just because they offer a bunch of mundane meaningless grinds, doesnt man there is 'a lot' to do. Especially if 95% of the stuff that comprises the 'a lot no one wants to do and offers nothing more than a meaningless time sink. Ironically BDO does have a work around for that in their game its called AFK grinding.
Controlled economies never work, in reality or in a game. Especially if it does what it seems this one is doing.
Now the argument people are waiting or people arent at 50 yet could possibly be a small part of it, but if there are some items that sell out immediately and their prices dont go up then there is a problem.
LMAO
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
That's it I'm telling Trump to invade Canada...
Yeah, that would surely fix everything...
Seriously, MMO economics never really works because the resources isn't finite like in the real world. Of course paper money isn't a finite thing either which tend to lead to things like the hyper inflation in Germany in the 20s.
Even real money is just worth something because people think it is worth something, you know you can get a dollars worth for a buck and that is why it works. If the government would suddenly start printing insane amount of dollar bills and increase everyone salaries a lot you get the same resault that happens in a MMO after a while...
Even the MMOs with the best economical systems like SWG did have plenty of weird stuff and people playing the market in a rather silly way.
Real world gold is a good system though, it is limited (and pretty to look at which is a bonus). The system fails if you don't actually see your gold but buy papers saying the bank have gold for you but don't let you look on it but that is another matter.
Sadly, I don't have any good ideas how you actually could make a good MMO economical system. no clue at all. Hiring a good real world economist might work, but then you need one who also plays MMOs.
Loke666 said:
Real world gold is a good system though, it is limited (and pretty to look at which is a bonus). The system fails if you don't actually see your gold but buy papers saying the bank have gold for you but don't let you look on it but that is another matter.
Sadly, I don't have any good ideas how you actually could make a good MMO economical system. no clue at all. Hiring a good real world economist might work, but then you need one who also plays MMOs.
The gold standard died with WW I....and was one of the contributors to many economocial issues, including the recession starting 1929...
The issue with game economies is simple - linear progression and loot/rewards.
It is not as much a matter of economy but design. Overall it is not much of a problem since is no need for robust economy in MMO.
Loke666 said:
Real world gold is a good system though, it is limited (and pretty to look at which is a bonus). The system fails if you don't actually see your gold but buy papers saying the bank have gold for you but don't let you look on it but that is another matter.
Sadly, I don't have any good ideas how you actually could make a good MMO economical system. no clue at all. Hiring a good real world economist might work, but then you need one who also plays MMOs.
The gold standard died with WW I....and was one of the contributors to many economocial issues, including the recession starting 1929...
If the gold standard died with WWI (1918) , how could it be a major contributor to a recession that took place 11 years later? Don't you think the opposite makes more sense? That it was the loss of the gold standard that lead to economic mayhem? /tinfoilhat...intentionally.../tinfoilhat
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He and I are doing no such similar thing. I never called this person a "fanboy" for enjoying a different game. There is a bigger difference than that between he and I. And that is that I am over on the BDO forums minding my business, discussing a game that I am playing and enjoying, instead of going on other game's forums, hating and trolling other players about a game that I am not only not playing, but know very little about. When I don't like a game, I simply ignore it and move on. I am not the type of person that would troll other players who are having fun enjoying a game. That, to me, makes no sense. I just ain't petty like that. As a matter of fact, I am likely to go "fanboy" on haters, even though I am not playing or likeing a game, just because I despise the mentality of a person that would go to the extent of chastising others for enjoying themselves while playing a game. There is no comparison between our actions.
I play MMOs for the Forum PVP
I could only imagine if it was a free open market system that blackstones and armor stones would be going for 5 mil + per and it would effectly lock a portion of the playerbase out of it.
I actually enjoy reading about people enjoying themselves while playing a game. That is a good thing and nothing to fume green over. The best analogy I can think of is a person watching kids having fun playing a game in a playground, and seething under their teeth because other kids are having fun while they are not. The behavior is dumbfounding to me and I can't help but advocate against it when ever I witness it.
You also seem to be saying that you want the game to suffer financially simply because it's not your liking. Better be careful, the next game to fail might be the one you want to play with that attitude.
Sorry but I'm not laughing at your BDO comments. When you have uncontrolled economies you end up with things like the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression.
Whether you would like to believe it or not, you're living in a controlled economy as we speak. The printing of money is a primary example of your government "trying" to control an economy.
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heh, wonder how many of these kids take a lame econ101 class and are suddenly economists. Free market is an illusion when you can control supply and demand. Price fixing happens all the time in our FREE ECONOMY
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*Looks over at the AA fan that constantly posts negative things about BDO.*
Seems far too many players these days complain about being "forced" to do something.
Forced grouping, grinding, crafting, PVP, cash shop purchases, interaction with other players, etc, it seems they only want to play if the game is totally designed in their favor.
Success in any MMO is achieved by overcoming the challenges and obstacles set forth by the devs, within the rules and designs of the game.
So long story short, yes sometimes you will be "forced" to do disagreeable tasks, how efficiently you manage this is one of the success markers of any good MMO player.
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Why should one care about economy? Working economy provides a trade of commodities. You can trade products of your labour for other products. In a video game context, you can do what you enjoy to obtain things either more effectively or things that would otherwise require activity you do not enjoy.
Where is the stupid part? Commodity exchange, is natural aspect of interaction within a social group and it is stupid to pretend there is no merit in working economy, or even claim that it is supposed to "not work".
The BDO economy isn't the way it is and therefore it will die.
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Jesus.
And no, I don't have a singular purpose on this forum to "hate on" the game. It only seems that way because you're a freaking fanboy and anyone that disagrees with you is a mortal enemy.
Btw, I don't think "fanboy" is necessarily perjorative. Certainly no more than blanketing someone as a "hater".
ANYWHO- BACK ON TOPIC
I'm surprised people are still defending the economy in this game. People on other forums are having serious issues with spending 6 hours camping the marketplace trying to buy a popular item before it gets snatched up by marketplace scripts.
But not you guys. If it's in BDO, there can't be anything wrong with it.
Seriously, MMO economics never really works because the resources isn't finite like in the real world. Of course paper money isn't a finite thing either which tend to lead to things like the hyper inflation in Germany in the 20s.
Even real money is just worth something because people think it is worth something, you know you can get a dollars worth for a buck and that is why it works. If the government would suddenly start printing insane amount of dollar bills and increase everyone salaries a lot you get the same resault that happens in a MMO after a while...
Even the MMOs with the best economical systems like SWG did have plenty of weird stuff and people playing the market in a rather silly way.
Real world gold is a good system though, it is limited (and pretty to look at which is a bonus). The system fails if you don't actually see your gold but buy papers saying the bank have gold for you but don't let you look on it but that is another matter.
Sadly, I don't have any good ideas how you actually could make a good MMO economical system. no clue at all. Hiring a good real world economist might work, but then you need one who also plays MMOs.
The issue with game economies is simple - linear progression and loot/rewards.
It is not as much a matter of economy but design. Overall it is not much of a problem since is no need for robust economy in MMO.
SWG economy was crap... :-P
Don't you think the opposite makes more sense? That it was the loss of the gold standard that lead to economic mayhem? /tinfoilhat...intentionally.../tinfoilhat