Free fly Week (free access to the game) up to April 25th

DKLond

rodarin said:

SmartySmart said:

Not up to date but nevertheless a little summary:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/38pb1o/discussioncollaboration_decided_to_try_and/

and some dev responses:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5597335/#Comment_5597335

But I guess the anti side will not even read what is written there. Educating yourself is more exhausting than making things up.

Therefor... some videos:



If if people are really interested they will find the info they need by themselves. 

Why is it when you guys link something it is from 7 or 12 or 24 months ago? They have cancelled and remade a half a dozen things between then and now. Those comments are COMPLETELY and utterly irrelevant on April 18 2016, I would say they were barely relevant on Sept 15 2015 (the day they were made).

What answers are you not happy with?

DKLond

Deathenger said:

Brenics said:

Hey @MikeB exactly who are the one's attacking and never getting modded for it? lol

Also @MikeB why does a simple question about a engine made for Star Citizen gets attacked and they never get modded? 

Amazing. ;-D

 The answer I got was it's just easier to lock threads. Nobody wants to talk about the controversial stuff unfortunately.

Wrong, a lot of haters want to not just talk about controversy - they want to invent it and focus on it. Apparently, that's what floats a lot of boats.

Shodanas

rodarin said:

SmartySmart said:

Not up to date but nevertheless a little summary:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/38pb1o/discussioncollaboration_decided_to_try_and/

and some dev responses:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5597335/#Comment_5597335

But I guess the anti side will not even read what is written there. Educating yourself is more exhausting than making things up.

Therefor... some videos:



If if people are really interested they will find the info they need by themselves. 

Why is it when you guys link something it is from 7 or 12 or 24 months ago? They have cancelled and remade a half a dozen things between then and now. Those comments are COMPLETELY and utterly irrelevant on April 18 2016, I would say they were barely relevant on Sept 15 2015 (the day they were made).

Did you actually read what is presented or did you just checked for the date and then rushed back here ?

The links are not provided for the comments accompanying them.

They are provided so persons like you can see in an elaborate manner the tons of work made on the Crytek engine.

Please educate us, how is all the work accomplished by the Frankfurt studio irrelevant ?

Please give us some links, they do not have to be as elaborate as these ones, showing that CIG cancelled or remade features shown in the above links.

rodarin

Distopia said:

So wait you're comparing a survival game that takes place on one planet, with systems 100 other games  have in place at present, against a universe spanning game meant to have numerous planets, multiple forms of gameplay, as well as needs a myriad of new systems added to an existing engine... Great comparison there...

If they split the ARK maps up into 40 different maps with tiny pop limits would that be better? Because thats basically what SC is going to be if they ever actually figure out how to make the PU in the first place. But that is the best irony EVERY MMO has a persistent world, yet somehow that concept is beyond the grasp of this team. and save the 'they had to rebuild the engine' bullshit. Because once they have the gameworld set it will be just exactly like every other game world that eists now. Or more than likely with a smaller pop cap. Because the hyperbole in that 10 month old article was thick and the fact they still havent figured it out to this day means it will only be worse.

SC if is ever built is going to be the most instances game ever created, people that think its going to be some huge expansive universe that will take you hours or days to go through (seamlessly) are completely deluded. 

The same goes for planets. EVERY one of them will be an instance. And from the new terms theyre making up a personal instance that seems to change every time you visit it. But since they havent even figured that out yet who knows. 

They make a lot of CLAIMS, I have yet to see a SINGLE one of their claims actually come to fruition. I have seen MANY MANY get cancelled or changed. So forgive me if my faith suddenly reaches the point to where I think they will actually be able to do something they claim let alone something that is actually different than anyone else has been able to do.

When Life is Feudal comes out with its HUGE seamless world.  I suppose we could go there. But theyre still a ways away. But it wouldnt surprise me if they finish theires before SC even get SQ 42 out.

Oh and ARK has multiple forms of gameplay as well, including single player, multiplayer, PvP Pve, hardcore (perma death), Survival of the Fittest, modded, vanilla, and sliders all over the place to tweak about 50 different things in the game. I suspect SC if its ever built will resemble ARK in many different ways which is why I made the comparison in the first place. the problem with you is you still believe SC is going to be something special.

rodarin

SmartySmart said:

Read it again... slowly!

I said in my first sentence that it is not up to date... but I guess you just want to bitch about something. 

Wha gives you the insight that the links are completely and utterly irrelevant? Did the procedural damage, GIM, GOST, 64 bit double precision etc. cc. all been cancelled or completely redone?

Oh I forgot... you just want to be right and bitchy  

What has been said RECENTLY about the engine? When is the persistent part going ot exist? I know many pro guys are predicting 2.4 but I doubt that now. I actually thought sometime in July or August myself but due to new facts (SQ 42 not needing a PU anymore) I changed my mind. But as there been an OFICAL update or prediction given?

My new guess now is they will focus on it when they need to hype something to help kickstart (no pun) donations again. What better way to start the money train again than unveiling a persistent gameworld (something every MMO has that has ever existed but dont ruin the narrative)   thus instilling confidence back into the masses enough to open their wallets again. Dont be shocked to see it delivered with a few new ship designs as well.

Kefo

rodarin said:

SmartySmart said:

Read it again... slowly!

I said in my first sentence that it is not up to date... but I guess you just want to bitch about something. 

Wha gives you the insight that the links are completely and utterly irrelevant? Did the procedural damage, GIM, GOST, 64 bit double precision etc. cc. all been cancelled or completely redone?

Oh I forgot... you just want to be right and bitchy  

What has been said RECENTLY about the engine? When is the persistent part going ot exist? I know many pro guys are predicting 2.4 but I doubt that now. I actually thought sometime in July or August myself but due to new facts (SQ 42 not needing a PU anymore) I changed my mind. But as there been an OFICAL update or prediction given?

My new guess now is they will focus on it when they need to hype something to help kickstart (no pun) donations again. What better way to start the money train again than unveiling a persistent gameworld (something every MMO has that has ever existed but dont ruin the narrative)   thus instilling confidence back into the masses enough to open their wallets again. Dont be shocked to see it delivered with a few new ship designs as well.

Maybe they will implement a persistent game world after they figure out how to make the game uninstall correctly or how to patch specific files without having to download the entire game each time. Perhaps instead of a fancy door they should have invested the money into buying their staff copies of "coding for dummies"

Shodanas

rodarin said:

Distopia said:

So wait you're comparing a survival game that takes place on one planet, with systems 100 other games  have in place at present, against a universe spanning game meant to have numerous planets, multiple forms of gameplay, as well as needs a myriad of new systems added to an existing engine... Great comparison there...

If they split the ARK maps up into 40 different maps with tiny pop limits would that be better? Because thats basically what SC is going to be if they ever actually figure out how to make the PU in the first place. But that is the best irony EVERY MMO has a persistent world, yet somehow that concept is beyond the grasp of this team. and save the 'they had to rebuild the engine' bullshit. Because once they have the gameworld set it will be just exactly like every other game world that eists now. Or more than likely with a smaller pop cap. Because the hyperbole in that 10 month old article was thick and the fact they still havent figured it out to this day means it will only be worse.

SC if is ever built is going to be the most instances game ever created, people that think its going to be some huge expansive universe that will take you hours or days to go through (seamlessly) are completely deluded. 

The same goes for planets. EVERY one of them will be an instance. And from the new terms theyre making up a personal instance that seems to change every time you visit it. But since they havent even figured that out yet who knows. 

They make a lot of CLAIMS, I have yet to see a SINGLE one of their claims actually come to fruition. I have seen MANY MANY get cancelled or changed. So forgive me if my faith suddenly reaches the point to where I think they will actually be able to do something they claim let alone something that is actually different than anyone else has been able to do.

When Life is Feudal comes out with its HUGE seamless world.  I suppose we could go there. But theyre still a ways away. But it wouldnt surprise me if they finish theires before SC even get SQ 42 out.

Oh and ARK has multiple forms of gameplay as well, including single player, multiplayer, PvP Pve, hardcore (perma death), Survival of the Fittest, modded, vanilla, and sliders all over the place to tweak about 50 different things in the game. I suspect SC if its ever built will resemble ARK in many different ways which is why I made the comparison in the first place. the problem with you is you still believe SC is going to be something special.

Again,

Read the damn links presented above.

You do not have to be an expert to grasp that ARK, a fine game indeed, isn't nowhere near the scope of SC's PU.

Stop throwing around terms you obviously know very little about. It neither helps your unfounded rhetoric nor awards you any credibility.

Erillion

Kefo said:

instead of a fancy door

You mean the wooden door with some paint on it and the garage opener motor ?  ;-)


Have fun

Distopia

rodarin said:

Distopia said:

So wait you're comparing a survival game that takes place on one planet, with systems 100 other games  have in place at present, against a universe spanning game meant to have numerous planets, multiple forms of gameplay, as well as needs a myriad of new systems added to an existing engine... Great comparison there...

If they split the ARK maps up into 40 different maps with tiny pop limits would that be better? Because thats basically what SC is going to be if they ever actually figure out how to make the PU in the first place. But that is the best irony EVERY MMO has a persistent world, yet somehow that concept is beyond the grasp of this team. and save the 'they had to rebuild the engine' bullshit. Because once they have the gameworld set it will be just exactly like every other game world that eists now. Or more than likely with a smaller pop cap. Because the hyperbole in that 10 month old article was thick and the fact they still havent figured it out to this day means it will only be worse.

SC if is ever built is going to be the most instances game ever created, people that think its going to be some huge expansive universe that will take you hours or days to go through (seamlessly) are completely deluded. 

The same goes for planets. EVERY one of them will be an instance. And from the new terms theyre making up a personal instance that seems to change every time you visit it. But since they havent even figured that out yet who knows. 

They make a lot of CLAIMS, I have yet to see a SINGLE one of their claims actually come to fruition. I have seen MANY MANY get cancelled or changed. So forgive me if my faith suddenly reaches the point to where I think they will actually be able to do something they claim let alone something that is actually different than anyone else has been able to do.

When Life is Feudal comes out with its HUGE seamless world.  I suppose we could go there. But theyre still a ways away. But it wouldnt surprise me if they finish theires before SC even get SQ 42 out.

Oh and ARK has multiple forms of gameplay as well, including single player, multiplayer, PvP Pve, hardcore (perma death), Survival of the Fittest, modded, vanilla, and sliders all over the place to tweak about 50 different things in the game. I suspect SC if its ever built will resemble ARK in many different ways which is why I made the comparison in the first place. the problem with you is you still believe SC is going to be something special.

When I say different forms of game-play, I'm referring to the comparison between a game that essentially has shooting and crafting VS a game that has multiple ways to play from piloting, multi-crew ships, shooter gameplay, on foot exploration, Vehicle (driving) physics, etc.. It's just a different beast to tackle altogether.

The biggest hurdle for Ark was most likely getting the Dino's working as they wanted. WHich those Dino's are essentially the only part of the game that sets it apart from the countless other Survival titles hitting the market at present. 

These games simply have little in common in terms of scope.

The best example would be Elite IMO. Similar origins, similar forms of play, similar genre bending options etc..

Kefo

Erillion said:

Kefo said:

instead of a fancy door

You mean the wooden door with some paint on it and the garage opener motor ?  ;-)


Have fun

Lol yeah I'm sure that's just a wooden door with some paint on it. I will pull a you and ask for proof of your claims.

Brenics

Hey gamers you want the truth go play this concept demo then ask them if you can see any game engine to build this game! There is absolutely nothing CIG has done that is pushing the envelop. They keep saying they are going to push the boundaries for this game, heck CR has been saying it for 5 years yet still nothing we can see that any other game hasn't tried or done.

On side note make sure you use a throw away email, they tend to spam it a lot also in my opinion they sell those emails.
  

Distopia

Brenics said:

Hey gamers you want the truth go play this concept demo then ask them if you can see any game engine to build this game! There is absolutely nothing CIG has done that is pushing the envelop. They keep saying they are going to push the boundaries for this game, heck CR has been saying it for 5 years yet still nothing we can see that any other game hasn't tried or done.

On side note make sure you use a throw away email, they tend to spam it a lot also in my opinion they sell those emails.
  

Can you point me to some of the games doing what CIG is? A game where I can fly in space, land, get in a vehicle, drive around, get out to shoot some stuff, get back in the car, drive to my ship, then take off? The only game I have ever remotely been able to do that in was SWG, sadly the EMU's don't have JtL working as far as I know (and it hasn't been long since I played on them, I doubt they have it in yet).

SmartySmart

Kefo said:

Erillion said:

Kefo said:

instead of a fancy door

You mean the wooden door with some paint on it and the garage opener motor ?  ;-)


Have fun

Lol yeah I'm sure that's just a wooden door with some paint on it. I will pull a you and ask for proof of your claims.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4eyiri/clarifying_doorgate_just_a_wooden_door/

SmartySmart

Brenics said:

Hey gamers you want the truth go play this concept demo then ask them if you can see any game engine to build this game! There is absolutely nothing CIG has done that is pushing the envelop. They keep saying they are going to push the boundaries for this game, heck CR has been saying it for 5 years yet still nothing we can see that any other game hasn't tried or done.

On side note make sure you use a throw away email, they tend to spam it a lot also in my opinion they sell those emails.
  

Deathenger

Erillion said:

Kefo said:

instead of a fancy door

You mean the wooden door with some paint on it and the garage opener motor ?  ;-)


Have fun

 I can tell from your comment you are so completely clueless as to what kind of work went into that door.  I seriously doubt someone went out and bought a garage door opener, painted a couple pieces of wood and just slapped that thing together for several hundred dollars. More of your spin and downplay on the throwing of monies around like candy.

I can tell you from experience back in my construction days that a hell of slot of work went into that as far as labor AND the cost of the slide mechanism.

Adjuvant1

Shodanas said:

Brenics said:

So I see you finally admit with no modified CryEngine there is no way they can create the game. After 5 years amazing they still don't have anything but a concept demo. Very good you are waking up.  


Have Fun!

Huh?

Did i miss someone from CIG saying that the Germans from Crytek failed to do the job?

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths mister. You're doing it way to often as of lately. It displays disrespect and quite frankly it is juvenile behavior.

20:58 to 25:10

This is like a running joke now. How many german cryengine experts does it take to... well, apparently all of them, and even then they're not enough, because the company still needs engineers. I honestly feel, the qualifications for being a "cryengine expert" are somewhere as demanding as the qualifications for a Wal-Mart greeter and a guy who just got "moved up to lettuce and tomato prep" from "fry station" at a McDonalds.

They're just 25 of the wrong people, hired for promotion so the company could take advantage of international tax credit. It's just nonsense.

Distopia

Adjuvant1 said:

Shodanas said:

Brenics said:

So I see you finally admit with no modified CryEngine there is no way they can create the game. After 5 years amazing they still don't have anything but a concept demo. Very good you are waking up.  


Have Fun!

Huh?

Did i miss someone from CIG saying that the Germans from Crytek failed to do the job?

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths mister. You're doing it way to often as of lately. It displays disrespect and quite frankly it is juvenile behavior.

20:58 to 25:10

This is like a running joke now. How many german cryengine experts does it take to... well, apparently all of them, and even then they're not enough, because the company still needs engineers. I honestly feel, the qualifications for being a "cryengine expert" are somewhere as demanding as the qualifications for a Wal-Mart greeter and a guy who just got "moved up to lettuce and tomato prep" from "fry station" at a McDonalds.

They're just 25 of the wrong people, hired for promotion so the company could take advantage of international tax credit. It's just nonsense.

Oh come on..

rodarin

Distopia said:

Brenics said:

Hey gamers you want the truth go play this concept demo then ask them if you can see any game engine to build this game! There is absolutely nothing CIG has done that is pushing the envelop. They keep saying they are going to push the boundaries for this game, heck CR has been saying it for 5 years yet still nothing we can see that any other game hasn't tried or done.

On side note make sure you use a throw away email, they tend to spam it a lot also in my opinion they sell those emails.
  

Can you point me to some of the games doing what CIG is? A game where I can fly in space, land, get in a vehicle, drive around, get out to shoot some stuff, get back in the car, drive to my ship, then take off? The only game I have ever remotely been able to do that in was SWG, sadly the EMU's don't have JtL working as far as I know (and it hasn't been long since I played on them, I doubt they have it in yet).

Umm you cant do that in SC either. THATS THE POINT

Distopia

rodarin said:

Distopia said:

Brenics said:

Hey gamers you want the truth go play this concept demo then ask them if you can see any game engine to build this game! There is absolutely nothing CIG has done that is pushing the envelop. They keep saying they are going to push the boundaries for this game, heck CR has been saying it for 5 years yet still nothing we can see that any other game hasn't tried or done.

On side note make sure you use a throw away email, they tend to spam it a lot also in my opinion they sell those emails.
  

Can you point me to some of the games doing what CIG is? A game where I can fly in space, land, get in a vehicle, drive around, get out to shoot some stuff, get back in the car, drive to my ship, then take off? The only game I have ever remotely been able to do that in was SWG, sadly the EMU's don't have JtL working as far as I know (and it hasn't been long since I played on them, I doubt they have it in yet).

Umm you cant do that in SC either. THATS THE POINT

Exactly hence trying to paint this development as some do is disingenuous, like trying to compare it to Ark... That's what makes using the 5 year slogan look silly as well. It's also comical when the reactions come in, when folks try and use examples of truly complex designs and the time they take to develop. "but this is a crowdfunded game".. like that means such a game should be made in shorter time. As if it could. 


BTW can't you FLY drive and shoot in the game at present?


Driving:

Shooting:

Flying:

Aren't they beginning to work on planets?

This is the part people don't seem to get, you need the foundation before you start designing the content, watching those videos the implementations didn't seem overly flawed or anything, so it looks like the base systems are coming along at least to some extent.

Shodanas

Adjuvant1 said:

Shodanas said:

Brenics said:

So I see you finally admit with no modified CryEngine there is no way they can create the game. After 5 years amazing they still don't have anything but a concept demo. Very good you are waking up.  


Have Fun!

Huh?

Did i miss someone from CIG saying that the Germans from Crytek failed to do the job?

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths mister. You're doing it way to often as of lately. It displays disrespect and quite frankly it is juvenile behavior.

20:58 to 25:10

This is like a running joke now. How many german cryengine experts does it take to... well, apparently all of them, and even then they're not enough, because the company still needs engineers. I honestly feel, the qualifications for being a "cryengine expert" are somewhere as demanding as the qualifications for a Wal-Mart greeter and a guy who just got "moved up to lettuce and tomato prep" from "fry station" at a McDonalds.

They're just 25 of the wrong people, hired for promotion so the company could take advantage of international tax credit. It's just nonsense.

I believe that you intended to quote someone else and quoted my reply instead.

I fail to see any sort of correlation between your message, mines and what transpires in the footage.

SmartySmart

Adjuvant1 said:

Shodanas said:

Brenics said:

So I see you finally admit with no modified CryEngine there is no way they can create the game. After 5 years amazing they still don't have anything but a concept demo. Very good you are waking up.  


Have Fun!

Huh?

Did i miss someone from CIG saying that the Germans from Crytek failed to do the job?

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths mister. You're doing it way to often as of lately. It displays disrespect and quite frankly it is juvenile behavior.

20:58 to 25:10

This is like a running joke now. How many german cryengine experts does it take to... well, apparently all of them, and even then they're not enough, because the company still needs engineers. I honestly feel, the qualifications for being a "cryengine expert" are somewhere as demanding as the qualifications for a Wal-Mart greeter and a guy who just got "moved up to lettuce and tomato prep" from "fry station" at a McDonalds.

They're just 25 of the wrong people, hired for promotion so the company could take advantage of international tax credit. It's just nonsense.

What's wrong when you are solving a problem, doing progress but additionally ask for more manpower? Why are they the wrong people? He nowhere did mention it or hid it in the words he spoke. You really weigh everyone of his words. 

It does not matter... everyone hears what he wants to hear. That's the fantastic thing about language... you can interpret everything in the way it fits your mindset. 

Brenics

Yeah I see everything CR says is truth, yet this is a lie https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/Employee-Review-Cloud-Imperium-Games-RVW10258385.htm Well he does say some nice things about working there. So they will say that is true but everything else in cons is lies.

Have Fun!

Erillion

rodarin said:

I have yet to see a SINGLE one of their claims actually come to fruition.

64bit 3D space

Do not believe me .. listen to him:
http://massivelyop.com/2015/10/21/ascents-lead-dev-offers-insight-on-the-star-citizen-controversy/

"I can’t tell you for sure how CIG has solved that problem, but I can tell you it looks like the studio has definitely solved it, based on its most recent gameplay videos. "


Have fun

rodarin

Distopia said:

Exactly hence trying to paint this development as some do is disingenuous, like trying to compare it to Ark... That's what makes using the 5 year slogan look silly as well. It's also comical when the reactions come in, when folks try and use examples of truly complex designs and the time they take to develop. "but this is a crowdfunded game".. like that means such a game should be made in shorter time. As if it could. 

The ORIGINAL criticism of this game was IT COULDNT BE DONE.

Fast forward 5 years later and it hasnt been done. Despite the claims they keep making of rebuilding everything and still a work in progress, yeah no shit.

The comparison is the guys that made ARK werent hubris filled clowns who hadnt made anything gaming related in 15 years. They made something they KNEW could be made. They didnt CLAIM to be able to make something (eventually) and ask people for millions of dollars to fund it. And still not have anything to sow for it other than a generic space instance you can fly some ships around in. And more or less controlled crashing as opposed to actual flying.

The FACTS that they have deleted whole components of the original design and changed things to stuff already being done basically proves that the original critics were right. IT COULDNT BE DONE. They simply havent changed or cancelled the other stuff yet because they still have a little stall time left.

ARK is still a different game and they have done stuff that hasnt been done before, at least tweaked existing stuff to a 'better' version. SC cant even claim that. Basically ARK made a better mouse trap. SC took a mouse trap apart and couldnt figure out how to even get it put back together again let alone make it better.

SmartySmart

Brenics said:

Yeah I see everything CR says is truth, yet this is a lie https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/Employee-Review-Cloud-Imperium-Games-RVW10258385.htm Well he does say some nice things about working there. So they will say that is true but everything else in cons is lies.

Have Fun!

Why you come up with this now? We are talking about something completely different. But that's what the haters do... 

But if you post this I can also post this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4f4cl8/its_back_to_using_glassdoor/