I get that Sean, I do. I replaced my work laptop with a Surface Pro 3 and then a Surface Pro 4. It is a hybrid. It is a tablet but designed with a keyboard and mouse in mind for serious work. I do all my PowerPoint presentations on it. I travel a lot so I use it for gaming as well. I fly to upstate New York Tuesday and I am glad I have a device like the Pro 4 to do everything I need it to do and then some while away from my Desktop PC. It is a Windows 10 device so it synches with my Desktop and my Xbox Live account. I love it.
so it brings up a question regarding the OP.
is it classified and counted as a tablet or a laptop when these studies are done. not that I care really just a curious point of observation.
Anyway my Amazon Fire HDX 8.9 after one night of use is about to be sent back
The Fire is terrible. The Google Nexus is much better in that regard. Heck even the new Barnes and Noble Nook would have been a better option. At least they have MicroSD slots to upgrade storage.
I bought the Fire explictly for one reason.
consuming media. TV, and movies. Its consider the best in that respect. I dont think the Nook can even do that. I have no need or desire or care for a MicrosSD slot.
despite that my 3 year old chromebook was overall better. when I say overall, it was easier to navigate, more freedom, larger screen etc. To be fair the Fire did have better visuals and did have better speakers but the rest of the experience was god awful in ways that all tablets would be
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I get that Sean, I do. I replaced my work laptop with a Surface Pro 3 and then a Surface Pro 4. It is a hybrid. It is a tablet but designed with a keyboard and mouse in mind for serious work. I do all my PowerPoint presentations on it. I travel a lot so I use it for gaming as well. I fly to upstate New York Tuesday and I am glad I have a device like the Pro 4 to do everything I need it to do and then some while away from my Desktop PC. It is a Windows 10 device so it synches with my Desktop and my Xbox Live account. I love it.
so it brings up a question regarding the OP.
is it classified and counted as a tablet or a laptop when these studies are done. not that I care really just a curious point of observation.
Anyway my Amazon Fire HDX 8.9 after one night of use is about to be sent back
The Fire is terrible. The Google Nexus is much better in that regard. Heck even the new Barnes and Noble Nook would have been a better option. At least they have MicroSD slots to upgrade storage.
I bought the Fire explictly for one reason.
consuming media. TV, and movies. Its consider the best in that respect. I dont think the Nook can even do that. I have no need or desire or care for a MicrosSD slot.
despite that my 3 year old chromebook was overall better. when I say overall, it was easier to navigate, more freedom, larger screen etc. To be fair the Fire did have better visuals and did have better speakers but the rest of the experience was god awful in ways that all tablets would be
.. The Fire is NOT the best in regards to playing media. That is Amazon PR and marketing you bought into. ....
no silly that is that is from reviews I read
best speakers best visual for the price best offering of media services such as free content.
THE BOTTOM LINE Impressive Amazon features and an outstanding display make the the Fire HDX 8.9 one of the best and most affordable media consumption tablets.
he Amazon Fire HDX 8.9 is the first tablet with Dolby Atmos audio-enhancing technology
to be fair I should say 'one of the best' not 'the best' for media consumption
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Some of you posters are high on something. Tablets are nice for somethings, there are some good games on them. But your high end games are not going to be running on them anytime soon, they just do not have the processing power at this time. Secondly, touch screens are not very good input devices for most games.
For simple games, tablets are great, beyond that a PC or even a console is much better and that is not even up to debate!
mobile gaming is king? If you seriously think that. you are no gamer.
sorry to burst your bubble. but the reason that "mobile gaming" is making the most money is because it does not focus on nerds, but the normal "human being with a handy".
that audience is WAY bigger than just gamers. and if that seriously wasn't obvious to you, i don't know what else to say......
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Some of you posters are high on something. Tablets are nice for somethings, there are some good games on them. But your high end games are not going to be running on them anytime soon, they just do not have the processing power at this time. Secondly, touch screens are not very good input devices for most games.
For simple games, tablets are great, beyond that a PC or even a console is much better and that is not even up to debate!
my Surface Pro has an i5 and a Keyboard attachment and a laser mouse. It plays Far Cry 3 amazing.
but to be clear overall if one is a gamer they will be spending more money per performance going the tablet direction then they would going the desktop direction.
A desktop is still the best option for price to performance ratio by a long shot and that is what is important to so called 'core gamers'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Some of you posters are high on something. Tablets are nice for somethings, there are some good games on them. But your high end games are not going to be running on them anytime soon, they just do not have the processing power at this time. Secondly, touch screens are not very good input devices for most games.
For simple games, tablets are great, beyond that a PC or even a console is much better and that is not even up to debate!
my Surface Pro has an i5 and a Keyboard attachment and a laser mouse. It plays Far Cry 3 amazing.
but to be clear overall if one is a gamer they will be spending more money per performance going the tablet direction then they would going the desktop direction.
A desktop is still the best option for price to performance ratio by a long shot and that is what is important to so called 'core gamers'
No one is denying that a Desktop PC at home is better for gaming. Yet I can not take my full tower and lug it around on my travels with me and still game. With my Surface I can.
However, that same general formula as existed since around 1990 (not sure EXACT year) where I was using my laptop to play Castle Wolfenstine in my parents living room. So whats the difference now?
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I don't understand how someone would argue with me when it is clear to just about everyone on the planet. iphones can do what 90% of pc users need. All major pc manufacturers realized this which is why mainstream laptops and pc's are using processors that aren't even dual core. All that extra processor speed and power isn't needed by 90% of their users. Which is why they dont even come with graphics cards most of the time. I do not personally use an iphone because I'm a gamer and I need my graphics card. But mainstream pc users only need an iphone or tablet.
mobile gaming is king? If you seriously think that. you are no gamer.
sorry to burst your bubble. but the reason that "mobile gaming" is making the most money is because it does not focus on nerds, but the normal "human being with a handy".
that audience is WAY bigger than just gamers. and if that seriously wasn't obvious to you, i don't know what else to say......
Of course that is obvious. Maybe you should read the OP next time and contribute to the conversation.
seeing the gameboy was released in 1989 ima guess no
PC is still master race
hell theres talk of merging xbone1 and ps4 servers together and also rumblings from microsoft saying xbone1 is COSTING them more money than making money..they would probably make just as much if not more if they stuck to their guns and made a PROGRAM OR SOFTWARE (cuz thats what their good at) and make something like steam site and have the whole dam library on a app or something..
mobile gaming is dum..im sorry... its only good imo for 2-3hrs anyways..like waiting on a buss or while riding a train or on a trip ..but i could make points on all those too why you shouldnt be "mobile gaming" lol or maybe im just that type of person that would like to SEE whats going on around me and would be much more comfortable at home looking at a tv or monitor on my spare time
@Thane I think the point was pretty obvious to everyone here Yet to dismiss mobile gaming in today's day and age is just as naive as thinking it is not 'real gaming' Is Baldur's Gate II a 'real game'? What about kotor? Both are on my tablet and both can be played on my travels away from my desk sitting at the airport waiting for my flight. Years ago I would have never thought that I could play Baldur's Gate sitting at the airport. Now I can. Technology changes as do the times we live in and so should our 'idea' of what gaming is.
did you just compate baldur's gate to candy crush and co? sorry, i black out after reading that each time.... can't seem to get past that point ^^
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@Thane I think the point was pretty obvious to everyone here Yet to dismiss mobile gaming in today's day and age is just as naive as thinking it is not 'real gaming' Is Baldur's Gate II a 'real game'? What about kotor? Both are on my tablet and both can be played on my travels away from my desk sitting at the airport waiting for my flight. Years ago I would have never thought that I could play Baldur's Gate sitting at the airport. Now I can. Technology changes as do the times we live in and so should our 'idea' of what gaming is.
did you just compate baldur's gate to candy crush and co? sorry, i black out after reading that each time.... can't seem to get past that point ^^
He's stating that you can play Baldurs Gate on a mobile device. You can even play Dagerfall on a mobile device.
The core games of yesteryear are todays mobile games -- that's the point he is making.
Phones are powerful enough to run most PC and console games from the 2008s and prior.
For example, you could get an emulator and play Psychonauts if you wanted to - right now - on a PS2 emulator on a Galaxy Note 5.
More than half of the handheld nintendo games -- even the widely popular pokemon games that run people hours and hours of playtime, can be played on mobile emulation.
Now I'm not condoning emulation - stealing - anything of that nature. What I am stating is that the power of these devices and the mobility factors in to core gaming as much as PC.
But the home user, if they aren't into gaming particularly, and just have something for chatting with friends on facebook etc, yeah a notepad/smartphone does the job, but as soon as they want to play a game for any length of time, its either a Console or a PC they are going to be using, though as someone said previously, a quick game of candy crush etc, while taking a dump for 5 minutes, yeah, the PC is no good for that, mobiles definitely win that battle.
I disagree with this; as you don't seem to do any mobile gaming yourself, I'm not sure you're qualified to make this generalization. Rather, this is your perception of "mobile gamers" as a "PC gamer".
Just because you haven't seen a game in mobile space worth more than 5 minutes of attention doesn't mean they aren't out there; it would be folly to mistake one's own experience as the entirety of all experience over a given field.
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facts are facts my fellow nerds. don't look any further than the fact that PCs are being out paced by the maturing market of tablets/phones/consoles. Fun is fun no matter how they package it. New things can be learned.
moreover, we get it, you refuse to leave your desktop...but just because you still wear the flock of seagull hair style doesn't mean you have the pulse of all the other gamers in the room.
Ah yes, the "get with the times you old timer" and "take off your rose colored glasses" argument. That hasn't been used ad nauseum for the history of argumentation.
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It appears that the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) does not agree with Newzoo's analysis at all. The Newzoo report supposedly covers the whole world, while ESA is only focused on the US market. ESA is the group who organise E3 every year, so they should have some idea of what's going on in gaming.
Their annual survey of American gaming habits has just been released:
The obvious answer are "games played on mobile phones etc.". The better answer is "games played on small screens". The answer - I suggest - matters.
SpottyGekko said: But I really can't see anyone playing CoD or CS:GO on their mobile phone, lol
I cannot either BUT I can envisage a mobile phone being powerful enough to run CoD. You don't even need to break a sweat to envisage that!
If you break it down there are three parts to the "equation". First the "device" that provides the processing power (and storage) - a phone, a tower, a set top box, a console. Second the "thing" that we experience the output on - a TV, a monitor, the screen on a phone or tablet or even a 3D headset. Third the interface: keyboard, voice control, hand and body sensors, eye control.
And if you do that then the "guesstimates" break down into: games on really tiny screens i.e. mobile; games on monitor sized screens i.e. PC; and games on TV i.e. consoles. And some stuff will find an audience on all three - Minecraft say - whilst other stuff - CoD say - should only find a home on one or two.
It appears that the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) does not agree with Newzoo's analysis at all. The Newzoo report supposedly covers the whole world, while ESA is only focused on the US market. ESA is the group who organise E3 every year, so they should have some idea of what's going on in gaming.
Their annual survey of American gaming habits has just been released:
According to the survey, PC is king, and mobile is insignificant !
And rather than "regaining the lead at the expense of PC's", console ownership has actually declined in the US for the first time in years !
So will the US market follow the global trend eventually ? Or will mobile phone gaming habits in India be irrelevant to the US PC gaming market ?
Maybe we're reading the wrong report but from what you sent me, that isn't what it's showing at all.
First of all - They have 2 categories.. "Smart Phone" and "Wireless Device" is this tablets? I would say probably because "Handhelds devices" are a separate category.
So Smart Phone and WIreless Device would account for 67%
We're talking about "frequent gamers" here as well, which ... leaves much to be desired in the way of information. We're not talking about the entire gaming population.
It also says 48% of "frequent gamers" play social media games. If 56% of "frequent gamers" play on PC, than much of that would be also considered as PC gamers unless, as stated before.. wireless devices are considered tablets.
The only major difference is what they said between PC and Console... Keep in mind that the original article is predicted growth as through 2019.
using google for 'Tablet Sales' my browser gets completely plastered with down sales regarding tablets. so any massive increase in mobile use is coming from phones.
more over, any and all articles that show an increase in mobile use must refer to a DECLINE in PC use as well in order for the suggestion to not be that people who normally would not have a computer are using smart phones
thanks
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Says there is a new age messed up society that is hanging onto cell phones like a child and it's teddy bear. Console gaming always made sense at least,no sense getting high tech PC's just for gaming,just too bad consoles are usually so limited and so behind the times. My Boss has a tablet,,he does not game,people need to do LESS gaming,too much staring at screens,there is going to be one hell of an unhealthy population over the next 20-30 years.
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consuming media. TV, and movies. Its consider the best in that respect. I dont think the Nook can even do that. I have no need or desire or care for a MicrosSD slot.
despite that my 3 year old chromebook was overall better. when I say overall, it was easier to navigate, more freedom, larger screen etc. To be fair the Fire did have better visuals and did have better speakers but the rest of the experience was god awful in ways that all tablets would be
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best speakers
best visual for the price
best offering of media services such as free content.
cnet:
http://www.cnet.com/topics/tablets/best-tablets/
THE BOTTOM LINE Impressive Amazon features and an outstanding display make the the Fire HDX 8.9 one of the best and most affordable media consumption tablets.
he Amazon Fire HDX 8.9 is the first tablet with Dolby Atmos audio-enhancing technology
to be fair I should say 'one of the best' not 'the best' for media consumption
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Please do not respond to me
For simple games, tablets are great, beyond that a PC or even a console is much better and that is not even up to debate!
mobile gaming is king? If you seriously think that. you are no gamer.
sorry to burst your bubble. but the reason that "mobile gaming" is making the most money is because it does not focus on nerds, but the normal "human being with a handy".
that audience is WAY bigger than just gamers.
and if that seriously wasn't obvious to you, i don't know what else to say......
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
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A desktop is still the best option for price to performance ratio by a long shot and that is what is important to so called 'core gamers'
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PC is still master race
hell theres talk of merging xbone1 and ps4 servers together and also rumblings from microsoft saying xbone1 is COSTING them more money than making money..they would probably make just as much if not more if they stuck to their guns and made a PROGRAM OR SOFTWARE (cuz thats what their good at) and make something like steam site and have the whole dam library on a app or something..
mobile gaming is dum..im sorry... its only good imo for 2-3hrs anyways..like waiting on a buss or while riding a train or on a trip ..but i could make points on all those too why you shouldnt be "mobile gaming" lol or maybe im just that type of person that would like to SEE whats going on around me and would be much more comfortable at home looking at a tv or monitor on my spare time
sorry, i black out after reading that each time.... can't seem to get past that point ^^
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
The core games of yesteryear are todays mobile games -- that's the point he is making.
Phones are powerful enough to run most PC and console games from the 2008s and prior.
For example, you could get an emulator and play Psychonauts if you wanted to - right now - on a PS2 emulator on a Galaxy Note 5.
More than half of the handheld nintendo games -- even the widely popular pokemon games that run people hours and hours of playtime, can be played on mobile emulation.
Now I'm not condoning emulation - stealing - anything of that nature. What I am stating is that the power of these devices and the mobility factors in to core gaming as much as PC.
Just because you haven't seen a game in mobile space worth more than 5 minutes of attention doesn't mean they aren't out there; it would be folly to mistake one's own experience as the entirety of all experience over a given field.
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"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
There is nothing a surface pro 4 can do with a keyboard attached that a laptop can't do better.
Frankly, what i think was smart was what HP did with the Spectre x360. It's barely heavier than a surface 4, it's barely thicker, etc.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
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Their annual survey of American gaming habits has just been released:
http://essentialfacts.theesa.com/Essential-Facts-2016.pdf
According to the survey, PC is king, and mobile is insignificant !
And rather than "regaining the lead at the expense of PC's", console ownership has actually declined in the US for the first time in years !
So will the US market follow the global trend eventually ?
Or will mobile phone gaming habits in India be irrelevant to the US PC gaming market ?
The obvious answer are "games played on mobile phones etc.". The better answer is "games played on small screens". The answer - I suggest - matters.
SpottyGekko said: But I really can't see anyone playing CoD or CS:GO on their mobile phone, lol
I cannot either BUT I can envisage a mobile phone being powerful enough to run CoD. You don't even need to break a sweat to envisage that!
If you break it down there are three parts to the "equation".
First the "device" that provides the processing power (and storage) - a phone, a tower, a set top box, a console.
Second the "thing" that we experience the output on - a TV, a monitor, the screen on a phone or tablet or even a 3D headset.
Third the interface: keyboard, voice control, hand and body sensors, eye control.
And if you do that then the "guesstimates" break down into: games on really tiny screens i.e. mobile; games on monitor sized screens i.e. PC; and games on TV i.e. consoles. And some stuff will find an audience on all three - Minecraft say - whilst other stuff - CoD say - should only find a home on one or two.
First of all - They have 2 categories.. "Smart Phone" and "Wireless Device" is this tablets? I would say probably because "Handhelds devices" are a separate category.
So Smart Phone and WIreless Device would account for 67%
We're talking about "frequent gamers" here as well, which ... leaves much to be desired in the way of information. We're not talking about the entire gaming population.
It also says 48% of "frequent gamers" play social media games. If 56% of "frequent gamers" play on PC, than much of that would be also considered as PC gamers unless, as stated before.. wireless devices are considered tablets.
The only major difference is what they said between PC and Console... Keep in mind that the original article is predicted growth as through 2019.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/23/why-are-pcs-up-and-tablets-down/
using google for 'Tablet Sales' my browser gets completely plastered with down sales regarding tablets. so any massive increase in mobile use is coming from phones.
more over, any and all articles that show an increase in mobile use must refer to a DECLINE in PC use as well in order for the suggestion to not be that people who normally would not have a computer are using smart phones
thanks
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Console gaming always made sense at least,no sense getting high tech PC's just for gaming,just too bad consoles are usually so limited and so behind the times.
My Boss has a tablet,,he does not game,people need to do LESS gaming,too much staring at screens,there is going to be one hell of an unhealthy population over the next 20-30 years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.