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holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
in Black Desert Online
Bought the game this morning.  Tried it out again using a pass from this website and it looked good enough to jump into this time.

BnS is swirling down the p2w rng box toilet, and by comparison, BDO actually looks like it has a reasonable payment model!

So bought the cheepo package and a fluffy dog.

Despite all the negativity sparking up about the game recently, it still seems not as bad as what's going on in most MMOs.  In any case, the game looks gorgeous and has a very chill atmosphere which is what I'm looking for right now in an MMO.

I'll be taking my time and leveling fairly casually as it seems most people that level fast get burned out pretty quick.  At least until they put in seiges.
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  • fs23otmfs23otm Member RarePosts: 506
    Ignore the noise about the game... play it and enjoy your time playing it. 


  • Abuz0rAbuz0r Member UncommonPosts: 550
    I've seen enough negativity that the game isn't worth trying without a free trial.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    holdenhamlet said:
    Bought the game this morning.  Tried it out again using a pass from this website and it looked good enough to jump into this time.

    BnS is swirling down the p2w rng box toilet, and by comparison, BDO actually looks like it has a reasonable payment model!

    So bought the cheepo package and a fluffy dog.

    Despite all the negativity sparking up about the game recently, it still seems not as bad as what's going on in most MMOs.  In any case, the game looks gorgeous and has a very chill atmosphere which is what I'm looking for right now in an MMO.

    I'll be taking my time and leveling fairly casually as it seems most people that level fast get burned out pretty quick.  At least until they put in seiges.

    I told you so.
    ....
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    YashaX said:
    holdenhamlet said:
    Bought the game this morning.  Tried it out again using a pass from this website and it looked good enough to jump into this time.

    BnS is swirling down the p2w rng box toilet, and by comparison, BDO actually looks like it has a reasonable payment model!

    So bought the cheepo package and a fluffy dog.

    Despite all the negativity sparking up about the game recently, it still seems not as bad as what's going on in most MMOs.  In any case, the game looks gorgeous and has a very chill atmosphere which is what I'm looking for right now in an MMO.

    I'll be taking my time and leveling fairly casually as it seems most people that level fast get burned out pretty quick.  At least until they put in seiges.

    I told you so.
    Yep.  To be fair, things were great in BnS until the Trove event.  I weathered that, figuring surely they wouldn't do another p2w "event" for awhile.  But only 2 weeks later, it's another even worse p2w rng box fest.

    Between that and zero support/communication about the pvp scene, there's not much reason to stick around in BnS.
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  • RamajamaRamajama Member UncommonPosts: 271
    The amount of fun you gonna have with this game is gonna be huge. I tell you, you gonna be tired of fun when you play. 
  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    LOL, same here OP.
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  • MithrandolirMithrandolir Member UncommonPosts: 1,701
    I'm strongly considering it as well. I haven't played a mmorpg in over a year now and wasn't actively looking for one anymore either, but BDO cut my attention the other day. I am a sucker for atmosphere... weather systems in games, day/night cycles, worlds... and with that in mind BDO looks pretty cool. I also love end game PvP. I suck at it, but i have always loved it. DAoC was pretty non-stop fun for me for 4+ years. Will probably pick up BDO this weekend or next week... going to read and watch a little more first.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    holdenhamlet said:
    YashaX said:
    holdenhamlet said:
    Bought the game this morning.  Tried it out again using a pass from this website and it looked good enough to jump into this time.

    BnS is swirling down the p2w rng box toilet, and by comparison, BDO actually looks like it has a reasonable payment model!

    So bought the cheepo package and a fluffy dog.

    Despite all the negativity sparking up about the game recently, it still seems not as bad as what's going on in most MMOs.  In any case, the game looks gorgeous and has a very chill atmosphere which is what I'm looking for right now in an MMO.

    I'll be taking my time and leveling fairly casually as it seems most people that level fast get burned out pretty quick.  At least until they put in seiges.

    I told you so.
    Yep.  To be fair, things were great in BnS until the Trove event.  I weathered that, figuring surely they wouldn't do another p2w "event" for awhile.  But only 2 weeks later, it's another even worse p2w rng box fest.

    Between that and zero support/communication about the pvp scene, there's not much reason to stick around in BnS.

    I hope you have lots of fun Hamlet, what class are you playing?
    ....
  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,353
    edited May 2016
    I loved BnS and thought about returning at some point, but I just didn't understand the PvE in that game.  I would die and have no idea What I did wrong... In the endgame anyway like 4 man dungeons. It was always like there is no iframe to avoid this attack, it drops aggro so tanking doesn't matter aaaaaand dead. 
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    Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    edited May 2016
    YashaX said:
    YashaX said:
    Bought the game this morning.  Tried it out again using a pass from this website and it looked good enough to jump into this time.

    BnS is swirling down the p2w rng box toilet, and by comparison, BDO actually looks like it has a reasonable payment model!

    So bought the cheepo package and a fluffy dog.

    Despite all the negativity sparking up about the game recently, it still seems not as bad as what's going on in most MMOs.  In any case, the game looks gorgeous and has a very chill atmosphere which is what I'm looking for right now in an MMO.

    I'll be taking my time and leveling fairly casually as it seems most people that level fast get burned out pretty quick.  At least until they put in seiges.

    I told you so.
    Yep.  To be fair, things were great in BnS until the Trove event.  I weathered that, figuring surely they wouldn't do another p2w "event" for awhile.  But only 2 weeks later, it's another even worse p2w rng box fest.

    Between that and zero support/communication about the pvp scene, there's not much reason to stick around in BnS.

    I hope you have lots of fun Hamlet, what class are you playing?
    Witch.  I usually like magic classes and it seems ranged is good at endgame.
  • RictisRictis Member UncommonPosts: 1,300
    Yeah I bought my copy of BDO just last week. If you ignore all the people raising a ruckus over the game you come to realize the game has a lot to offer. You do not need to PVP to be competitive in the game as many have you thinking. I think BDO is a step in the right direction for current MMO's. I hope that more companies try to adopt its system. It reminds me of a combination of Everquest and Ultima with a few modern concepts added in the mix. I dare say I got a little nostalgia kick when I started playing it and the game began to open up.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    holdenhamlet said:
    YashaX said:


    I hope you have lots of fun Hamlet, what class are you playing?
    Witch.  I usually like magic classes and it seems ranged is good at endgame.
    You chose wisely


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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Rictis said:

    You do not need to PVP to be competitive in the game as many have you thinking.     I think BDO is a step in the right direction for current MMO's. I hope that more companies try to adopt its system. 

    This is the point I've been trying to stress since the game released, much to many a PvPer angst on this and other forum boards.  If everyone took the time to promote the game as a PvX game, where everyone can join in and have fun regardless of game play style (which is the truth), instead of trying to selfishly claim the game as a PvP game and telling PvE players to "GTFO," or "Git Gud," the game would be much more welcoming to the masses thereby ensuring a healthy player base and its success well off into the future.

    Just as you were led to believe by many PvPers that the game is a PvP game, there are countless others who have been led to believe the same and have stayed clear of BDO.  This type of wrongful commentary does little to ensure the game's success.  If these PvP-centric players were smart, they would promote the game as a PvX game thereby ensuring "their" game a healthy and robust player base which is a dynamic integral to all PvP games.  
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    LacedOpium said:


    ...

    Just as you were led to believe by many PvPers that the game is a PvP game, there are countless others who have been led to believe the same and have stayed clear of BDO.  This type of wrongful commentary does little to ensure the game's success.  ...  
    Why is that commentary "wrongful" ?

    What happens in BDO when the full game is eventually implemented in the NA/EU version ? How will non-PVP'ers maintain their play style when guilds control all the nodes in the world and deny them access ?

    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. Unless I just misunderstand the implications of the GvG territory control...
  • RictisRictis Member UncommonPosts: 1,300
    SpottyGekko said:
    LacedOpium said:


    ...

    Just as you were led to believe by many PvPers that the game is a PvP game, there are countless others who have been led to believe the same and have stayed clear of BDO.  This type of wrongful commentary does little to ensure the game's success.  ...  
    Why is that commentary "wrongful" ?

    What happens in BDO when the full game is eventually implemented in the NA/EU version ? How will non-PVP'ers maintain their play style when guilds control all the nodes in the world and deny them access ?

    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. Unless I just misunderstand the implications of the GvG territory control...
    I dont think that is the case. Overall the game can be played in many different ways. PVP is definitely one of the options but it isn't the only one. As Laced mentioned, many people have you believe that this is pvp focused which I don't agree with at all. This game feels more like a blank slate and around level 15 or so you can get a really good understanding of what the game has to offer (which is a lot more then just PVP). You can focus on trades / unlocking additional content through Amity etc. There are many elements here that together make a very good balance. You can spend a lot of time doing the PVP dance too, which is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. You can joint a guild and do guild wars or fight for nodes when the content becomes available etc. Nothing is forced on you in the game which makes it a great experience. I think the biggest problem with BDO is that a majority of people either do not understand the game or there is so much mis information out there that people try to stay away. Its really too bad because for $30 this is beyond a good purchase compared to whats out there. My 2 cents.
  • DrevarDrevar Member UncommonPosts: 177
    Controlling a node doesn't deny anyone access to anything about that node, it simply gives the controlling guild taxes and extra perks.

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  • RictisRictis Member UncommonPosts: 1,300
    Just to add here, that I do feel that BDO sells itself a little short as to what is available in the game world and just how much content you really get. I think they need to do a better job providing information on how the game works and just how big the world is.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited May 2016


    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. 
    The irony. :)

    Node ownership doesn't affect players outside the guild in any negative way. It only affects the owning guild in a positive way by providing some bonuses for activities around that node and a bit of extra income.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Rictis said:
    Just to add here, that I do feel that BDO sells itself a little short as to what is available in the game world and just how much content you really get. I think they need to do a better job providing information on how the game works and just how big the world is.
    That's actually a very good point and a symptom of Daum Europe running the show with, to re-purpose a term currently in gaming news, "minimum viable staffing."
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    SpottyGekko said:
    LacedOpium said:


    ...

    Just as you were led to believe by many PvPers that the game is a PvP game, there are countless others who have been led to believe the same and have stayed clear of BDO.  This type of wrongful commentary does little to ensure the game's success.  ...  
    Why is that commentary "wrongful" ?

    What happens in BDO when the full game is eventually implemented in the NA/EU version ? How will non-PVP'ers maintain their play style when guilds control all the nodes in the world and deny them access ?

    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. Unless I just misunderstand the implications of the GvG territory control...

    Whereas for a PvP player the end game is all about PvP, for a PvE player it is entirely feasible to continue playing the game without needing to engage in PvP.  It's really not very hard to escape engaging in PvP, even in this OWPvP world.  V + Esc does the trick quite efficiently and effectively.  The leveling "hot spots" are only important to PvP "min/maxers" trying to stay ahead of the curve.  For the PvEer, there is not only no rush to reach "max" levels, but they actually want to avoid leveling.  PvE Life Skills are not dependent of combat levels.  The confusion with the PvP-centric mindset is that they are of the opinion that since their entire game revolves around PvP that it must for everyone else.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Iselin said:


    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. 
    The irony. :)

    Node ownership doesn't affect players outside the guild in any negative way. It only affects the owning guild in a positive way by providing some bonuses for activities around that node and a bit of extra income.
    Yup, it seems I misunderstood the implications of node control entirely ! :D 

    It sounds like a very weak version of "territory control", almost like "RP wars", lol
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    SpottyGekko said:
    Iselin said:


    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. 
    The irony. :)

    Node ownership doesn't affect players outside the guild in any negative way. It only affects the owning guild in a positive way by providing some bonuses for activities around that node and a bit of extra income.
    Yup, it seems I misunderstood the implications of node control entirely ! :D 

    It sounds like a very weak version of "territory control", almost like "RP wars", lol
    Well it's something... at least it's an objective in an otherwise unfocused PVP. The more lucrative PVP activity for the larger elite guilds is territory control wars. The winning guild of that one (if there is a winner - it ain't easy to pull off) gets a % of all AH transactions in that region for the next week.
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited May 2016
    Iselin said:


    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. 
    The irony. :)

    Node ownership doesn't affect players outside the guild in any negative way. It only affects the owning guild in a positive way by providing some bonuses for activities around that node and a bit of extra income.
    Yup, it seems I misunderstood the implications of node control entirely ! :D 

    It sounds like a very weak version of "territory control", almost like "RP wars", lol

    Many PvP players justify their claim that BDO is a PvP game because its PvE game play is shallow.  A very good argument could be made that the PvP game play in BDO is actually the "shallower" of the two.  PvP in BDO is heavily level and gear dependent having very little to do with skill, and its siege, node, and castle wars have very little, if anything, to do with limiting access and/or territory control.  BDO's client-side cheating and hacking also impacts its PvP game play much more than it does its PvE game play.  All of these systems actually favor the game's PvE game play more than it does its PvP game play.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    LacedOpium said:
    Iselin said:


    It just seems to me that many players currently either don't understand what's coming or they are living in denial. 
    The irony. :)

    Node ownership doesn't affect players outside the guild in any negative way. It only affects the owning guild in a positive way by providing some bonuses for activities around that node and a bit of extra income.
    Yup, it seems I misunderstood the implications of node control entirely ! :D 

    It sounds like a very weak version of "territory control", almost like "RP wars", lol

    Many PvP players justify their claim that BDO is a PvP game because its PvE game play is shallow.  A very good argument could be made that the PvP game play in BDO is actually the "shallower" of the two.  PvP in BDO is heavily level and gear dependent having very little to do with skill, and its siege, node, and castle wars have very little, if anything, to do with access and/or territory control.  All of these systems actually favor the game's PvE game play more than it does its PvP game play.
    I got the impression that BDO has lost a lot of players in Korea since launch. If that is true, then the unfocused design of the game may be the reason. It doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, and that will leave players unsatisfied after a while.

    Mind you, it's probably quite worth the price of admittance if you get 3 to 4 months of entertaining game play out of it.
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