6) Watching someone else play a game is not entertaining
Again, probably another assumption, but I've never gotten entertainment watching other people play games for long periods. Don't get me wrong, I've done it (locally) in the past, but that is acceptable to me because i had input, for example, suggesting strategy, pointing things out etc which have a direct impact on what im watching. Watching other people play is just boring in comparison to playing yourself.
So, thats my thought process. Perhaps you can point out where I've gone wrong and explain why twitch is good? Am I just an old fart who doesn't understand the joy of online socialising? Perhaps you genuinely prefer watching other people to playing yourself? Is it, perhaps, a skill thing, for example do you find watching highly talented players more enjoying than playing the game at an average level yourself?
If you read my posts you would know i don't use the popular streams i avoid them and there is loads of other streamers it's sometimes tricky with games that have been out for a while or some mmorpgs.
Like at the moment skyforge doesn't have plenty of streamers but there is some.
I like to get to know the streamer and sometimes play with them that is why i don't understand why some people use it just to watch people.
I didn't understand Twitch at first i thought it was just for watching but i use it more now for getting info and socialising with people and talking about games.
Twitch doesn't foster healthy gaming communities. The twitch community as a whole is no different than the MOBA community. It is all toxic filled garbage. It says a lot about society and current gaming when mass amounts of people get off on watching someone be a complete douche.
I would never put twitch and healthy together, ever.
In 2015, Twitch announced it had more than 1.5 million broadcasters and 100 million visitors per month.
That is on their wikipedia great mindset you have their labelling a million people douches. lol
I didn't know they had so many people who stream i thought it would be about 500k or so and people say they can't find anyone who streams who is worth watching and talking too. lol
We were talking about communities formed in Twitch. let me reiterate a different way. The communities within twitch as a whole are not healthy. You might find an oasis here or there but if it gets to big, toxicity will spill into it from the nearby cesspools.
A majority of the hours watched on Twitch are broadcasted by less than 100 of those 1.5million people.
The twitch community as a whole is no different than the MOBA community.
It is all toxic filled garbage.
Did you forget what you wrote ?
I clearly didn't forget what I wrote, What is the point you're trying to make?
The twitch community as a whole is no different than the MOBA community.
It is all toxic filled garbage.
Then you say this
We were talking about communities formed in Twitch
You also said this.
It says a lot about society and current gaming when mass amounts of people get off on watching someone be a complete douche.
So i replied with this.
In 2015, Twitch announced it had more than 1.5 million broadcasters and 100 million visitors per month.
That is on their wikipedia great mindset you have their labelling a million people douches. lol
I even took 500k off that number but 1million is still a lot of people to label douches without knowing all of them.
I get what you mean, I used to think the same thing. There is some content on Twitch though that is very interesting. I like to watch Geek & Sundry on Thursday nights when they do their "critical role" show. They basically play P&P DND for several hours and it is quite entertaining. I also used to watch the GameTrailer show (until they got shut down by the parent company). They would have a developer from the gaming industry on every week and it was always an interesting watch.
I don't watch any of the so-called top channels, none of the dota/hearthstone type games interest me. However, if you look around twitch there is some very interesting content to be found. Just takes a little digging.
I perfectly understand why people watch Twitch streams, it's mainly so that they can learn tips and techniques and better tactics. The top 3 games on that list have massive viewership, and all 3 of them are very competitive games. If I played those games, I would be one of those Twitch viewers.
It's the same in any competitive sport. Players watch other pro's to learn how they do it.
I usually look for Twitch streams when I'm interested in a game I would like to play. One or two sessions gives me a good overview of what the game's about, and that's all I need.
How can people not understand Twitch i can understand if you people said i don't underdstand dark matter because most people haven't heard of it, i don't know what it is either just a friend used to talk about it to another friend of mine but i never paid any attention. lol
It's not about just watching someone, see it as a chatroom where you can discuss a game you like with other people actually we're doing that now except we aren't watching someone play a game while we do it.
I see it as social thing and not just watching people play, a bit sad when people think that is all you can use twitch for is to watch, you can talk to the streamers as well and some are nice people.
Because if I want to chat and be social with people about a game and ask questions I do it in the game not while some internet hipster struts his stuff and talks. Boring.
What!? Lol you folks are killing me. I watch pros play Hearthstone and street fighter v. I can setup my laptop with twitch while I'm playing on my console and ask about strategies and tools in real time. It's an awesome resource and it actually encourages me to play more. I enjoy watching speed runs and tournaments of games I like to play. It fosters a much healthier and dynamic gaming community than ones where people crap on everything before it even comes out. On twitch, people are actively playing games and taking about them. I play more games now than a few years ago thanks to twitch. Forums used to be like that. But now they are mostly filled with ranting and trolling.
Twitch doesn't foster healthy gaming communities. The twitch community as a whole is no different than the MOBA community. It is all toxic filled garbage. It says a lot about society and current gaming when mass amounts of people get off on watching someone be a complete douche.
I would never put twitch and healthy together, ever.
In 2015, Twitch announced it had more than 1.5 million broadcasters and 100 million visitors per month.
That is on their wikipedia great mindset you have their labelling a million people douches. lol
I didn't know they had so many people who stream i thought it would be about 500k or so and people say they can't find anyone who streams who is worth watching and talking too. lol
5) Online socialising is not socialising.
I'm a firm believe that social networking is anti-social. There re already plenty of studies showing that social networking is slowly but steadily destroying young peoples ability to actually socialise, cutting them off from the real world and inducing mental health problems. Therefore the chat channels of something like twitch should be there to ask questions and receive answers only (seeking of information) but instead tend to be toxic crap or mundane socialising.
I agree with most of what you're saying but interacting with people online or off is socializing. I honestly believe being able to socialize properly online is becoming just as important as offline.
I agree that being able to socialise online is becoming just as important as offline. Hell, Facebook pretty much killed my social life because I absolutely hate it and refused to use it for years, but as everything gets organised on facebook I ended up missing out.
However, whilst online communication is becoming pretty much mandatory, it is still not proper socialising. By this, I mean online socialising lacks some extremely important points about how to actually socialise (such as understanding body language, tone of voice, speaking with confidence, looking people in the eyes etc) and as a result a lot of young people are developing actual mental health problems because they haven't developed the full range of social skills.
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kind of a side note and I am not saying this to be snide but to illustrate something that is currently begin discussed on another thread. (thus no need to reply to this).
All those games are not played for The Story of the game.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm a huge fan of twitch, and as much hours as I've sunk into the twitch platform I cannot help but attribute its success largely due to Valve.
It's only natural once you purchase a game of the steam distribution client that you also check out what other online capabilities it does have pertaining to the product sold. Hence the steam community section where gamers discussed only the single game alone. Naturally this was a nuisance because the lack thereof.
So here twitch took over and it had large success.
I think this is why the steam community devs and mods introduced broadcasting but it is mere speculation. This post that is. Know nothing of history but I was watching justin before, twitch's successor website.
The problem with Arche Age though is that Trion allows Harassment, and Trolling still despite reading the post about what Trion is doing about it is nothing, every since the hero system went into place there is a person on our server who had the nerve to do player harassment to a person who had Real Life drinking issues telling the person to kill themselves in the game, and I brought out the issue refused to stop being a jerk, I reported it to trion eventually where they do not remove the player from the game.
Still this user today for months has been using in game methods to do constant harassment towards other targeted players, guilds, clans in the game by using in game means such as keeping other players from doing events by (Kill on Sight) harassment etc when part of the same faction Trion allows griefing because there are no penalty's for doing such...
The big question with Arche Age is if 2.9 or player factions are going to change anything or make it all worse by restricting players from being able to do content because powerful whales do harassment / take over the entire game, this will likely just lock players out from doing content rather than keep the game the way it was meant to be between 3 factions East, West, Pirates.
It rather creates more toxicity, dictatorship issues, and problems by having such a faction system (With no penalty)...
Might I remind everyone that this is a problem addressed in (EVE Online) (Dark Fall) and other similiar sandbox games where you die you lose all your gear, or your ship, in Lineage 2 going red and constant pking means you have a chance to drop your gear off your body when you die as a penalty.
Arche Age needs some type of penalty system, put in place long ago, but even with no penalty system and new player factions I fail to understand how this is going to help, and not make the game a dictatorship like "Hail Hydra) from Marvel Heroes if you don't bow to Hydra, you can't enjoy the game.
Trion was also clear in the terms of service / policy that targeted harassment in their games towards certain people in a game is not allowed, but decided to void this rule for "Arche Age".
The appeal of Twitch is the idea of watching people play games with friends, making friends, and being part of a community. It isn't just about watching them. Unlike something like television, you can actually interact with the broadcaster and in some cases even play games with them. Think of it like going over to a friends house and watching them play a game, taking turns playing it,ect. It is not a "generational thing". A wide variety of groups like to watch people play games on Twitch. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that some certain age group / demographic is the only type of person it appeals to. That is being a bit disingenuous to claim such a thing.
yeah i dont get it either, personally i would rather play the game myself than watch somebody else play it. and the fact people actually give away their hard earned money to people playing a video game just so they can watch them play, is just mind boggling. do people hate their money that much?
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Like at the moment skyforge doesn't have plenty of streamers but there is some.
I like to get to know the streamer and sometimes play with them that is why i don't understand why some people use it just to watch people.
I didn't understand Twitch at first i thought it was just for watching but i use it more now for getting info and socialising with people and talking about games.
Then you say this
We were talking about communities formed in Twitch
You also said this.
It says a lot about society and current gaming when mass amounts of people get off on watching someone be a complete douche.
So i replied with this.
In 2015, Twitch announced it had more than 1.5 million broadcasters and 100 million visitors per month.
That is on their wikipedia great mindset you have their labelling a million people douches. lol
I even took 500k off that number but 1million is still a lot of people to label douches without knowing all of them.
I don't watch any of the so-called top channels, none of the dota/hearthstone type games interest me. However, if you look around twitch there is some very interesting content to be found. Just takes a little digging.
Sums it up for the know it alls doesn't it ?
It's the same in any competitive sport. Players watch other pro's to learn how they do it.
I usually look for Twitch streams when I'm interested in a game I would like to play. One or two sessions gives me a good overview of what the game's about, and that's all I need.
However, whilst online communication is becoming pretty much mandatory, it is still not proper socialising. By this, I mean online socialising lacks some extremely important points about how to actually socialise (such as understanding body language, tone of voice, speaking with confidence, looking people in the eyes etc) and as a result a lot of young people are developing actual mental health problems because they haven't developed the full range of social skills.
All those games are not played for The Story of the game.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
It's only natural once you purchase a game of the steam distribution client that you also check out what other online capabilities it does have pertaining to the product sold. Hence the steam community section where gamers discussed only the single game alone. Naturally this was a nuisance because the lack thereof.
So here twitch took over and it had large success.
I think this is why the steam community devs and mods introduced broadcasting but it is mere speculation. This post that is. Know nothing of history but I was watching justin before, twitch's successor website.
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The problem with Arche Age though is that Trion allows Harassment, and Trolling still despite reading the post about what Trion is doing about it is nothing, every since the hero system went into place there is a person on our server who had the nerve to do player harassment to a person who had Real Life drinking issues telling the person to kill themselves in the game, and I brought out the issue refused to stop being a jerk, I reported it to trion eventually where they do not remove the player from the game.
Still this user today for months has been using in game methods to do constant harassment towards other targeted players, guilds, clans in the game by using in game means such as keeping other players from doing events by (Kill on Sight) harassment etc when part of the same faction Trion allows griefing because there are no penalty's for doing such...
The big question with Arche Age is if 2.9 or player factions are going to change anything or make it all worse by restricting players from being able to do content because powerful whales do harassment / take over the entire game, this will likely just lock players out from doing content rather than keep the game the way it was meant to be between 3 factions East, West, Pirates.
It rather creates more toxicity, dictatorship issues, and problems by having such a faction system (With no penalty)...
Might I remind everyone that this is a problem addressed in (EVE Online) (Dark Fall) and other similiar sandbox games where you die you lose all your gear, or your ship, in Lineage 2 going red and constant pking means you have a chance to drop your gear off your body when you die as a penalty.
Arche Age needs some type of penalty system, put in place long ago, but even with no penalty system and new player factions I fail to understand how this is going to help, and not make the game a dictatorship like "Hail Hydra) from Marvel Heroes if you don't bow to Hydra, you can't enjoy the game.
Trion was also clear in the terms of service / policy that targeted harassment in their games towards certain people in a game is not allowed, but decided to void this rule for "Arche Age".