So.. that is a kick in the nuts to stereotype and insult millions of mature, adult steam gamers.
Your argument is flawed. Obviously the mature, adult steam gamers can not be considered a general Steam gamer that is immature. If a mature steam gamer still thinks they fall into the general Steam gamer catagory then that is there own fault. Mature, Adult steam gamers are the minority.
See this is exactly how I felt. I'm an adult, I'm not a typical steam community members and I took no insult at CoE's comment.
If I leave comments/reviews on steam it's because the game was genuinely terrible or extremely good. I don't review mediocre or gsmes that are not my type.
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The level of maternity on steam is no different then the level of maternity in any other gaming community. Also, why exclude the community? I the people that use steam really want to play will just donate on KS and play anyways. So, either way you'll end up with the same community.
The level of maternity on steam is no different then the level of maternity in any other gaming community. Also, why exclude the community? I the people that use steam really want to play will just donate on KS and play anyways. So, either way you'll end up with the same community.
Exactly my thought they are not exclung the stram community. All they are doing is not publishing it on steam
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The level of maternity on steam is no different then the level of maternity in any other gaming community. Also, why exclude the community? I the people that use steam really want to play will just donate on KS and play anyways. So, either way you'll end up with the same community.
I don't think that CoE is really a big tent game. My suspicion is that they are looking for a certain type of player for their world, and are relying on certain mechanics to weed out the frivolous game tourist, or e-anarchists.
They seem to care about the world as it is to be, and have controls like having to run settlement names through staff before they hit the map.
I also think that they are not PR geniuses and have a bit of a glass jaw/thin skin when it comes to garden variety internet dumbfuckery. So I expect that there will be more incidents like this where the CoE team expresses genuine disinterest in being message experts to the whole of gamedom.
MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
Wow talk about pot and kettle. Personally I find these game developers very immature and am very glad I pulled my kickstarter for this game. I expect this team will have every excuse in the book when they fail to make the game they are promising and it will always be someone elses fault.
You had no interest anyways, you knew you would 'pull out' your pledge because you never intended to see through with it.
It is like the guy who 'pledged' 10k just to post in the comment section about how he hates the game and then pulls out.
Actually you are quite wrong. I actually kickstarted it twice because I was indecisive the first time I pulled out. Now I am very confident that it was the right thing to do. This is going to be another one of those poorly managed projects that could have been amazing.
The level of maternity on steam is no different then the level of maternity in any other gaming community. Also, why exclude the community? I the people that use steam really want to play will just donate on KS and play anyways. So, either way you'll end up with the same community.
What does the number of pregnant people (maternity) playing on steam have to do with anything?
While the level of maturity may be the same at all communities, this will be a good thing for the rest of us. If people wish to consider themselves as a General immature steam user, and take offense to this, then they do not have to buy the game. This may cost the company some sales of there product but it will make the community in the game that much better.
Do you really want to play COE if it has a bunch of immature people in it?
Soulbound studios is effectively sacrificing profits for a better gameplay experience for the rest of us who do wish to play the game.
OP your headline is misleading. Thought I do agree the 'General' population of Steam is immature. Not all , but a good portion. Doesn't encompass everyone as you state.
I say the same about the Steam forums and it is what I experience in the few MP games I played on there... however as a company it's not really professional to say something like that.
I also do question if they ever played MMO's or any other MP game when you see a statement like that. The big majority of those are also far from mature communities (as a whole). Regardless who or where they host them. I think society and gaming being more mainstream has more effect on this.
Generalizations are bad especially when it's insulting to your potential customers.
They did not generalize and say the entire community of steam was immature.
They questioned the maturity of the majority of steam users. The are well aware of the fact that there is a minority of steam users that are very mature and well respected.
It is up to each and every steam user to decide which of the two categories they fit into when they look at Soulbound studios comment.
people here can make all the arguments they want for steam but the fact steam allows trolls to harass people on their myriad of game forums without banning them , along with the fact their customer service in general is abysmal I honestly do not understand why anyone would want to release to steam. About 99% of my arguments on forums is steam and their troll. Not to mention the blantant ripoff games on their EA side that are dead and not being developed but still being sold as EA. Steam can seriously go burn up in a three alarm fire and the world would be a better place with all its trolls in it.
These devs used steam greenlight to get millions of people on steam to see and to back their game, linked the KS to it, etc. A ton of people responded on there and greenlit the game and I am sure many steam users are backing this game of the 9,000+ KS backers right now too.
So.. that is a kick in the nuts to stereotype and insult millions of mature, adult steam gamers. They just generalize them all pretty much and say screw you after the steam community embraced and supported their game?
The devs never even intended to go on steam, they were just using the greenlight page as an advertisement and link back to their KS. That is not what greenlight is there for. So I hope these developers will change their minds, apologize to steam gamers for insulting them and actually go through with a steam version since they pretended they were on greenlight to get backed and greenlit and then go on steam in the first place on there.
Forthrightness is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Admittedly he could have been more inclusive and tossed in MMORPG.com and a few other sites, just to be democratic about it, but a bit of restraint is required in diplomacy, don't you think?
"And I think to myself...it's a wonderful world..."
Though I don't care for the steam community all that much, they aren't that much different than the community in any other game or forum, including this one...
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Not read all the posts but they were talking about how the coe community is worried about the steam communities maturity
No, they said that they (COE) consider the steam community to be immature and are in agreement with the COE community. That is also a bad statement by them. Many in the COE community ARE steam users and want the game on steam. Ive read the forums there. Some do not like steam, but many do. SO how can they generalize how COE users feel and generalize steam users are immature? Its just unprofessional and you can see these Devs are clueless on how to handle writing to a community of gamers when they make these kind of statements.
My problem also is that even though they say the steam community is immature, COE used the steam greenlight process to gain money/popularity and they never intended to even go on steam originally. Now that they got greenlit they are considering it. However, that is not even within the rules of greenlight either. If you go on there you are saying "We are going on steam if you vote" its not IF/OR, it is 100%.
I don't like how they handled that at all so I posted about it, you can agree with me or not, but my statement on this is a fact. They called millions of gamers, including ones that backed their KS immature and they also abused the greenlight process originally with no intentions to even go on steam.
The level of maternity on steam is no different then the level of maternity in any other gaming community. Also, why exclude the community? I the people that use steam really want to play will just donate on KS and play anyways. So, either way you'll end up with the same community.
Exactly my thought they are not exclung the stram community. All they are doing is not publishing it on steam
I understood what you said...but that's because understand the 3-4 beer typing syndrome.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
As a person who has bought several Steam games, I identify as a Steam gamer and recognize that Steam gaming is a core part of my belief system, moral compass, and general values in life. Being a steam gamer is the foundation of who i am as a person, and i am highly offended.
Wait -- no.
Its not the only part of my identity. I also play Frisbee.
Wow talk about pot and kettle. Personally I find these game developers very immature and am very glad I pulled my kickstarter for this game. I expect this team will have every excuse in the book when they fail to make the game they are promising and it will always be someone elses fault.
if you play(ed) online games long enough you see that 95% of the gamers are immature idiots. it mostly depends on the view point but the most of them are immature idiots. the problem is that it doesn't have anything to do with steam. steam is just a platform where it is very obvious... if you play non-steam online games you meet the same amount of douches like on steam games...
it's just what have happened over the years with the gaming community. and if you guys are really honest to yourself than you will agree that there are often some moments where you have acted like idiots too... at least i did because sometimes it just happens...
Sounds like they're listening to their inner circle which usually don't meet the expectations of the masses that they want to actually put time and money into game. They will either have to make masses changes after launch to accommodate the crowd or stay a niche game with a small but dedicated core that always asks why the servers are so empty.
Sounds like they didn't do their homework about Steam as they admitted they were surprised that the concept went green so quickly. Asking an audience to vote on their game then saying we're not sure we want to do this shows bad planning which asks the question, "Well what else have they planned badly for?" Why apply for something you're undecided about committing to? Bad form. They also could have phrased their thoughts more diplomatically.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
They also could have phrased their thoughts more diplomatically.
that's the point. they were diplomatic
My bad, I stand corrected on that point.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
The level of maternity on steam is no different then the level of maternity in any other gaming community. Also, why exclude the community? I the people that use steam really want to play will just donate on KS and play anyways. So, either way you'll end up with the same community.
Exactly my thought they are not exclung the stram community. All they are doing is not publishing it on steam
I understood what you said...but that's because understand the 3-4 beer typing syndrome.
Phone, rushing and predictive text not drinking. I find that comment quite insulting as I'm a tee-total due to seeing the effects of alcohol addiction first hand.
Not read all the posts but they were talking about how the coe community is worried about the steam communities maturity
No, they said that they (COE) consider the steam community to be immature and are in agreement with the COE community. That is also a bad statement by them. Many in the COE community ARE steam users and want the game on steam. Ive read the forums there. Some do not like steam, but many do. SO how can they generalize how COE users feel and generalize steam users are immature? Its just unprofessional and you can see these Devs are clueless on how to handle writing to a community of gamers when they make these kind of statements.
My problem also is that even though they say the steam community is immature, COE used the steam greenlight process to gain money/popularity and they never intended to even go on steam originally. Now that they got greenlit they are considering it. However, that is not even within the rules of greenlight either. If you go on there you are saying "We are going on steam if you vote" its not IF/OR, it is 100%.
I don't like how they handled that at all so I posted about it, you can agree with me or not, but my statement on this is a fact. They called millions of gamers, including ones that backed their KS immature and they also abused the greenlight process originally with no intentions to even go on steam.
Just because you read their comment and interpreted one way does not mean that it's fact. Others (including myself ) interpreted it another way. The only fact here is that you posted the original post here and not the CoE forums is because you know the majority of the community would have shot you down in flames. At least here you will find like minded people.
Also from the steam greenlight faq
How early in development can I post my game?
There are two categories in Steam Greenlight: One for mostly-finished games seeking distribution via Steam and one for early builds and concepts that are simply seeking feedback from the community. You can choose the right category for your title when you post.
Soulbound were looking at greenlight to obtain feedback as well as publicity. This is not against the terms.
You need to get your facts right before posting
Signed Davan Drakenhoff ruler of Castle Drakenhoff the impenatrable castle made from cardboard
You're seriously trying to portray Greenlight as some sort of Steam pre-launch commitment? It's nothing more than a paid ad (you pay a one time fee of $100 to enable your Steam account to post as many Greenlight submissions as you want) for whatever you want to put up there.
If you pay $100 you can post literally anything you want as a greenlight concept as long as it's not too obscene or infringes on copyrights too obviously.
COE used it as cheap advertising for the KS... no more, no less.
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I just want to point out there is one major difference between Steam and other "gaming" communities on the net, it's a store... A bunch of people leaving immature negative comments on a forum is one thing... A bunch of people doing that on a store front is something else entirely. First and foremost it's more exposed, meaning it's right there in your face as you're contemplating a purchase.
Secondly it follows them for the life of the game. IF I were going to release a pre-release early access version of my product I'd avoid the platform as well. I wouldn't want my alpha feedback to be mixed in with my post release reviews.
So yes in the end immaturity is rampant on the net, yet for the most part that type of stuff is hidden from the public in places like this and other gaming communities. It's buried within gaming forums, on steam it is not.
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I'm an adult, I'm not a typical steam community members and I took no insult at CoE's comment.
If I leave comments/reviews on steam it's because the game was genuinely terrible or extremely good. I don't review mediocre or gsmes that are not my type.
Signed Davan Drakenhoff ruler of Castle Drakenhoff the impenatrable castle made from cardboard
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They seem to care about the world as it is to be, and have controls like having to run settlement names through staff before they hit the map.
I also think that they are not PR geniuses and have a bit of a glass jaw/thin skin when it comes to garden variety internet dumbfuckery. So I expect that there will be more incidents like this where the CoE team expresses genuine disinterest in being message experts to the whole of gamedom.
What does the number of pregnant people (maternity) playing on steam have to do with anything?
While the level of maturity may be the same at all communities, this will be a good thing for the rest of us. If people wish to consider themselves as a General immature steam user, and take offense to this, then they do not have to buy the game. This may cost the company some sales of there product but it will make the community in the game that much better.
Do you really want to play COE if it has a bunch of immature people in it?
Soulbound studios is effectively sacrificing profits for a better gameplay experience for the rest of us who do wish to play the game.
I also do question if they ever played MMO's or any other MP game when you see a statement like that. The big majority of those are also far from mature communities (as a whole). Regardless who or where they host them.
I think society and gaming being more mainstream has more effect on this.
They questioned the maturity of the majority of steam users. The are well aware of the fact that there is a minority of steam users that are very mature and well respected.
It is up to each and every steam user to decide which of the two categories they fit into when they look at Soulbound studios comment.
"And I think to myself...it's a wonderful world..."
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I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
My problem also is that even though they say the steam community is immature, COE used the steam greenlight process to gain money/popularity and they never intended to even go on steam originally. Now that they got greenlit they are considering it. However, that is not even within the rules of greenlight either. If you go on there you are saying "We are going on steam if you vote" its not IF/OR, it is 100%.
I don't like how they handled that at all so I posted about it, you can agree with me or not, but my statement on this is a fact. They called millions of gamers, including ones that backed their KS immature and they also abused the greenlight process originally with no intentions to even go on steam.
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Wait -- no.
Its not the only part of my identity. I also play Frisbee.
I am no longer offended.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
it's just what have happened over the years with the gaming community. and if you guys are really honest to yourself than you will agree that there are often some moments where you have acted like idiots too... at least i did because sometimes it just happens...
Sounds like they didn't do their homework about Steam as they admitted they were surprised that the concept went green so quickly. Asking an audience to vote on their game then saying we're not sure we want to do this shows bad planning which asks the question, "Well what else have they planned badly for?" Why apply for something you're undecided about committing to? Bad form. They also could have phrased their thoughts more diplomatically.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I find that comment quite insulting as I'm a tee-total due to seeing the effects of alcohol addiction first hand.
Just because you read their comment and interpreted one way does not mean that it's fact. Others (including myself ) interpreted it another way.
The only fact here is that you posted the original post here and not the CoE forums is because you know the majority of the community would have shot you down in flames. At least here you will find like minded people.
Also from the steam greenlight faq
Soulbound were looking at greenlight to obtain feedback as well as publicity. This is not against the terms.
You need to get your facts right before posting
Signed Davan Drakenhoff ruler of Castle Drakenhoff the impenatrable castle made from cardboard
Here, this "project" bills itself as an MMO, RPG, FPS and anything else the poster could think of to get more hits. What is it? Amateurish glamour photos of some rather nice partially-dressed bums and boobies. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=685446766&searchtext=
If you pay $100 you can post literally anything you want as a greenlight concept as long as it's not too obscene or infringes on copyrights too obviously.
COE used it as cheap advertising for the KS... no more, no less.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Secondly it follows them for the life of the game. IF I were going to release a pre-release early access version of my product I'd avoid the platform as well. I wouldn't want my alpha feedback to be mixed in with my post release reviews.
So yes in the end immaturity is rampant on the net, yet for the most part that type of stuff is hidden from the public in places like this and other gaming communities. It's buried within gaming forums, on steam it is not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson