Before everyone gets carried away with the whole death threat thing, how many death threats to game developers have ACTUALLY happened? To follow that up, how many threats resulted in attempted murder or murder?
Show some numbers and then we can go nuts with our disbelief/belief.
What am I supposed to say to this?????? WTF?!?! "Oh, right, I'm sorry, I'll stop now" As-If! Seriously, who are you talking to????? (I get the point of the thread, but the wording is off just a tad)
Before everyone gets carried away with the whole death threat thing, how many death threats to game developers have ACTUALLY happened? To follow that up, how many threats resulted in attempted murder or murder?
Show some numbers and then we can go nuts with our disbelief/belief.
Turn this around. Let's replace Murcans with Terrorists. First, 9-11. The government had intelligence suggesting there could be an attack, but did nothing. Murcans got into a frenzy over it. There are hundreds of suspected terrorists living in Murca. Murcans get into a frenzy at the mention of it and want them all deported or just don't let anyone from those countries in at all.
Murcans threaten people with death? "Welllllll, did they REALLY mean it? How many times do they ACTUALLY carry it out?"
Before everyone gets carried away with the whole death threat thing, how many death threats to game developers have ACTUALLY happened? To follow that up, how many threats resulted in attempted murder or murder?
Show some numbers and then we can go nuts with our disbelief/belief.
Nobody cares how statistically likely it is for a death threat to turn into a real attempt. They shouldn't be tolerated period, and the very act of sending one shows a lot about the mental state of the person writing it, even if they're doing it as "just a prank bro."
This is one of the reason's I don't like to post replies with my facebook page. I want to speak my mind without worrying about some idiot sneaking up on me and doing something crazy.
What am I supposed to say to this?????? WTF?!?! "Oh, right, I'm sorry, I'll stop now" As-If! Seriously, who are you talking to????? (I get the point of the thread, but the wording is off just a tad)
I was talking to you specifically... geezergamer.. you have a problem...
No, basically it was an appeal to any in the crowd that might think threatening people is .. somehow... okay?
I mean.. sure.. if you're going to "kill someone" lets keep it in game. When it gets to "I'm going to come to your house and kill you and your family" over something so simple... I am still baffled there are people out there that do this and think it's okay.
Pity some of the people in this thread didn't feel the same sympathy when Smed was getting threatened. Funny how people pick and choose they're moments to show concern over behaviour like this.
If they cared things would happen to show and or prevent such things or make such things trackable.
The facts are you don't care, the authorities don't care and pretending you do regardless of "near death internet threats" you've had...doesn't change the fact you aren't out there doing stuff about it.
This isn't new. This isn't even a big deal. This that cause and effect thing done and if anyone really had a clue about the whole gamergate culture you'd understand these people are just morons who have grown up with eachother and thus their terrible attitude is conveyed in a hive mentality.
Sort of like this site if one dares say anything mildly triggering you get a full page whine and dine sjw/reddit experience.
Mob mentality. Salem. You know. People stuff.
Point is no one actually cares. No one. Even the devs don't care otherwise they'd just be all fbi on this shit. gamergate isn't a stealth ship. It's not like YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
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Pretty much anyone with any sort of e-fame and a controversial message will get threats now-a-days. Be they politicians, blog writers, developers or what ever... it happens. And no amount of whining, crying, attacks, or forums posts will change it.
In Pakistan, several controversial bloggers received death threats on the internet.
Some of them were subsequently hacked to death with machetes...
Yeah... I know about those. Happens in quite a few of those countries, those bloggers were Atheists bloggers where radical Islam (or religion in general) is rampant. They can happen to anyone there, with or without death threats. There is a big difference between threats in countries where you get tossed off buildings for being gay, or executed for being anything but a devout muslim and receiving death threats from some 5 year old over a delayed video game (and acting like a terrified baby the entire time).
You cant really police that kind of crap anyway. Way too many empty threats. Like I said, pretty much everyone who pisses people off over the internet has likely gotten a few.
If they cared things would happen to show and or prevent such things or make such things trackable.
The facts are you don't care, the authorities don't care and pretending you do regardless of "near death internet threats" you've had...doesn't change the fact you aren't out there doing stuff about it.
This isn't new. This isn't even a big deal. This that cause and effect thing done and if anyone really had a clue about the whole gamergate culture you'd understand these people are just morons who have grown up with eachother and thus their terrible attitude is conveyed in a hive mentality.
Sort of like this site if one dares say anything mildly triggering you get a full page whine and dine sjw/reddit experience.
Mob mentality. Salem. You know. People stuff.
Point is no one actually cares. No one. Even the devs don't care otherwise they'd just be all fbi on this shit. gamergate isn't a stealth ship. It's not like YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
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You can't simply say that nobody cares. Just because I personally can't go to the police over this, doesn't mean I don't feel like they shouldn't.
You might not care... you might be one of the people that likes to threaten developers, or other gamers, or people in general -- maybe that's your thing.. "oh it's victimless I'll just threaten their life.. no biggy" but death threats in any form are not acceptable.
If anything, protecting ones self is important... passing the information along to an authority or two doesn't take long to do.
You'd figure if this was a problem of such merit there'd be, I don't know, more dead game developers. This just smells like more internet hug box nonsense or the usual manufactured out rage hooey.
NCSoft, Blizzard, EA, Trion etc.. all of them have gotten death threats and even bomb threats to where they had to evacuate work buildings.
It happens, it's sort of a known thing in the gaming industry, but it sucks none the less.
It does happen, very few (less than .01%) are credible threats. Most are over excitable young men and it pans out as nothing more than cyber bullying. There will come a day when one of them is real and I hope people are prepared for that eventuality. My company can help with these things.
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Before everyone gets carried away with the whole death threat thing, how many death threats to game developers have ACTUALLY happened? To follow that up, how many threats resulted in attempted murder or murder?
Show some numbers and then we can go nuts with our disbelief/belief.
Maybe you're willing to take the chance that an online threat is nothing but empty words, and that's fine. It's your life to gamble, and the odds are very high in your favor. But some people aren't willing to take chances, and nobody should expect them to.
I couldn't care less if someone threatens me. But if I deem a threat against my loved ones to be of a serious nature, I'm not taking chances, and I'll happily tell anyone who thinks I should where they can go, though they'll have to find their own way of getting there.
That statement was obviously facetious and sarcastic, I agree. It was still a stupid thing to say, but the most he should have gotten was a stern talking-to by a magistrate, and maybe some community service. $50K bail and a possible two to ten years is absolutely disgusting though. The minimum sentencing guidelines for rape or manslaughter are less than that in more states than you'd think.
But that's the world we live in now. You can be sued and even arrested for failing to refer to somebody by their preferred gender pronoun, but you can't do shit about perverts lying to get into ladies' rooms with your wives and daughters. The world's just gone bat-shit insane.
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Death threats are wrong, using your real name on the Internet for anything is just stupidity born of sheer ego though.
What about for media, reporters, game devs, etc? They pretty much have no choice but to use their real names and that is one reason why its so scary.
People raging at me in an online game or sending me hate mail to my forum inbox is one thing, threatening the lives of people (and their families) with a public profile whose location and activities can be easily discovered is quite another.
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About NMS Developers getting Death Threats for postponing their launch to August.
Seriously, how and why is this happening? What kind of world do we live in where death threats are EVER even REMOTELY a possibility where gaming is concerned.
I mean -- okay -- lets say I was a backer who spent 20K dollars on a game and it turned out that they took my money and bought a house or something instead -- maybe then I could understand a threat being warranted by someone that couldn't control their emotions -- (death threats aren't ever okay, lawsuits on the other hand....) but for a game POSTPONEMENT?
What is happening?
Being a gamer who turn Developer I have said this and I will say this again, to many people want to treat developers like crap, this is another reason why many developers stay in the shadow's I make it known what I do I do not care, I won't let people control what I do... But I have seen so much nonsense from people its sick..
When is the last time people have said great job developers...But these idiots attacking these developers, need to understand the process, developers have no control if the game releases or not.... So that shows how stupid they really are..... To many people blame big decisions on developers, when in fact, developers have little to no control over any of this stuff.....
I would hope people would get a knock from the police for doing these kinds of things. I don't understand how some people can't realize what a big deal this can be to someone. Besides, scare tactics would probably push me to not release a game rather than release it to someone that treats me that way.
Again as a developer I would ignore it period, it's some kids, being childish .. You can't not let others control what happens in your company , otherwise you will go out of business.... These kids do need a knock from the police, that I agree, but with the stupid laws cross country if it is in fact out of the US, won't happen.
But if it is the US, they should have the police be involved... and give them a knock.. This crap needs to stop period..But as a developer and now a owner of a business I would ignore them... and continue on with my release when I see fit..
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Show some numbers and then we can go nuts with our disbelief/belief.
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What am I supposed to say to this??????
WTF?!?! "Oh, right, I'm sorry, I'll stop now" As-If!
Seriously, who are you talking to?????
(I get the point of the thread, but the wording is off just a tad)
Turn this around. Let's replace Murcans with Terrorists. First, 9-11. The government had intelligence suggesting there could be an attack, but did nothing. Murcans got into a frenzy over it. There are hundreds of suspected terrorists living in Murca. Murcans get into a frenzy at the mention of it and want them all deported or just don't let anyone from those countries in at all.
Murcans threaten people with death? "Welllllll, did they REALLY mean it? How many times do they ACTUALLY carry it out?"
Just some food for thought.
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No, basically it was an appeal to any in the crowd that might think threatening people is .. somehow... okay?
I mean.. sure.. if you're going to "kill someone" lets keep it in game. When it gets to "I'm going to come to your house and kill you and your family" over something so simple... I am still baffled there are people out there that do this and think it's okay.
Guess on this site it depends who you are.
If they cared things would happen to show and or prevent such things or make such things trackable.
The facts are you don't care, the authorities don't care and pretending you do regardless of "near death internet threats" you've had...doesn't change the fact you aren't out there doing stuff about it.
This isn't new. This isn't even a big deal. This that cause and effect thing done and if anyone really had a clue about the whole gamergate culture you'd understand these people are just morons who have grown up with eachother and thus their terrible attitude is conveyed in a hive mentality.
Sort of like this site if one dares say anything mildly triggering you get a full page whine and dine sjw/reddit experience.
Mob mentality. Salem. You know. People stuff.
Point is no one actually cares. No one. Even the devs don't care otherwise they'd just be all fbi on this shit. gamergate isn't a stealth ship. It's not like YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
*removed a bunch of offensive and triggering language that may not be suitable for anyone not a toddler or however your culture now deems your mentality should be.
You cant really police that kind of crap anyway. Way too many empty threats. Like I said, pretty much everyone who pisses people off over the internet has likely gotten a few.
You might not care... you might be one of the people that likes to threaten developers, or other gamers, or people in general -- maybe that's your thing.. "oh it's victimless I'll just threaten their life.. no biggy" but death threats in any form are not acceptable.
If anything, protecting ones self is important... passing the information along to an authority or two doesn't take long to do.
The internet is seriously not good for many people, I wish we could ban certain people from it altogether.
If you wouldn't say something to someones face don't write it online. That is the golden rule.
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I couldn't care less if someone threatens me. But if I deem a threat against my loved ones to be of a serious nature, I'm not taking chances, and I'll happily tell anyone who thinks I should where they can go, though they'll have to find their own way of getting there.
That statement was obviously facetious and sarcastic, I agree. It was still a stupid thing to say, but the most he should have gotten was a stern talking-to by a magistrate, and maybe some community service. $50K bail and a possible two to ten years is absolutely disgusting though. The minimum sentencing guidelines for rape or manslaughter are less than that in more states than you'd think.
But that's the world we live in now. You can be sued and even arrested for failing to refer to somebody by their preferred gender pronoun, but you can't do shit about perverts lying to get into ladies' rooms with your wives and daughters. The world's just gone bat-shit insane.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
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People raging at me in an online game or sending me hate mail to my forum inbox is one thing, threatening the lives of people (and their families) with a public profile whose location and activities can be easily discovered is quite another.
They could cuddle and cry with their Realdolls in their mother's basement.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
When is the last time people have said great job developers...But these idiots attacking these developers, need to understand the process, developers have no control if the game releases or not.... So that shows how stupid they really are..... To many people blame big decisions on developers, when in fact, developers have little to no control over any of this stuff.....
But if it is the US, they should have the police be involved... and give them a knock.. This crap needs to stop period..But as a developer and now a owner of a business I would ignore them... and continue on with my release when I see fit..