I've used every version of Windows from Windows 3.1 on. The only version of Windows I disliked more than Windows 10 was Windows ME. I've found it to be far less stable than 7/8. Random task bar breakage, random system bugs, and the start menu is an unholy abomination that needs to be either exorcised or burned, maybe both. Between work and home I have it running on about six different systems, and each has had issues, some minor, some major. More minor than major, but enough to be more than just an annoyance.
On my home systems, I would not run it if it wasn't going to be mandatory for games in the coming years. I have one desktop and two laptops. The desktop is my gaming machine so it's stuck with Win10, but the laptops are running Mac OSX and RedHat; Win10 will not ever touch either of those systems.
Windows 10 is quite terrible for many gamers. I've heard so many horror stories about game and driver incompatibilities. One Twitch streamer I know even had to shell out $300 to replace his graphics card because Windows 10 destroyed his ability to play on his old card, even after applying all the supposed driver fixes.
Windows 10 is essentially still in Beta. I've seen systems with it have the strangest errors. But that's what you'd expect of beta software.
Then you add on top of it the fact that Windows 10 is little more than spyware by default, recording everything you do and say, why would anyone subject themselves to that right now? By getting windows 10, you're gambling with buggy spyware.
Windows 7 Professional is working perfectly fine for me as it is. And if Windows 7 isn't broken, why fix it with something that often is?
If your a gamer you should want it. It's the fastest OS MS has made to date. But there are some things I would change about it but I can live with it for the speed.
I like windows 10, I upgraded all my pc's and laptops with it from 8.1. Edge on the other hand sucks huge smegma covered donkey d!ck dipped in rabid fire ants.
If your a gamer you should want it. It's the fastest OS MS has made to date. But there are some things I would change about it but I can live with it for the speed.
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Windows 10 wasn't designed with gaming desktops in mind. It was designed with multi connection to other devices, phones, tablets. Having touchscreen setup gives that away at first glance. If you are running windows 7 there is no reason to upgrade. A lot of people have the I gotta have the newest, fastest, shiny thing disease, no matter if it is actually a good operating system or not. Just the privacy issues alone are enough to make a lot of people cringe. It just shows how far they are willing to go by writing in switches that will turn on anything you have previously turned off with updates because they want it on whether you do or not. If I remember right windows 7 will not go maintenance mode till 2020. Most gaming rigs will be replaced by that time unless you just got them this year. And look how long it took for things to upgrade DX levels so if you are worried about DX12 you shouldn't be. If the past shows anything you will probably replace your rig before it is the only one accepted.
Now if you were one of those that got the horrible 8 version yeah no point with not upgrading.
If it wasn't for gaming I wouldn't even run windows on my computers.
I wouldn't be surprised if games started coming out that only work with DX12 one day, but that should be awhile yet.
It will take years until DX12 is required for games but MS wants people to install Win10 today! So what do they do? Windows 10 (and XBox) exclusive games!
Windows usually doesn't get good until service pack 3 comes out. If W10 wasn't free I'd stay with 7.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Windows 10 wasn't designed with gaming desktops in mind. It was designed with multi connection to other devices, phones, tablets. Having touchscreen setup gives that away at first glance. If you are running windows 7 there is no reason to upgrade. A lot of people have the I gotta have the newest, fastest, shiny thing disease, no matter if it is actually a good operating system or not. Just the privacy issues alone are enough to make a lot of people cringe. It just shows how far they are willing to go by writing in switches that will turn on anything you have previously turned off with updates because they want it on whether you do or not. If I remember right windows 7 will not go maintenance mode till 2020. Most gaming rigs will be replaced by that time unless you just got them this year. And look how long it took for things to upgrade DX levels so if you are worried about DX12 you shouldn't be. If the past shows anything you will probably replace your rig before it is the only one accepted.
Now if you were one of those that got the horrible 8 version yeah no point with not upgrading.
If it wasn't for gaming I wouldn't even run windows on my computers.
you realise benchmarks have shown games run better under windows 10....
it's not always about having the best and greatest, sometimes newer things just run better... there is also very little about windows 10 that screams to me touchscreen.
i have my start menu it's setup with shortcuts to games n such so i don't have to have my desktop littered with shortcuts.
i actually tested it as i was dual OS with 7 and 10 when witcher 3 came out and i actually had much better performance on windows 10 than windows 7, it wasnt marginal it was like a 42% performance increase over windows 7.
There is nothing about window's 10's functionality that takes away from gaming and not only that it's free is you own a previous version, so whats really the harm in upgrading.. it's not going to cost you anything.
Another thing that is holding me back is the amount of "work" you have to go trough to disable unwanted stuff. Be honest, how many of you that are using windows 10 had to download software and tweak settings and registry to disable undesirable settings?
Seems like a huge pain in the ass to keep track incase an update turns them back on or something.
The only issue I have with Win10 is the update feature. Unless you use some unofficial tricks (which might not always work) you can't control (as in Win7) when to download updates. This has had impact on online gaming, as brief as it might have been, but hey, it never comes at the right time. Other than that, I haven't had any issues with Win10, only getting to know if certain setting have been moved. All the privacy issues can be controlled (as much as that is nowadays possible) and isn't worse than what Apple has been doing for years and noone complained there (other than Apple haters).
Windows 10 is laced with spyware, it also has issues with many games (especially older ones) and honestly it's just not worth the hassle at all.
Anytime a major company aggressively gives away a major piece of expensive software you have to wonder why on earth would they do so. Personally I think windows 10 is being bankrolled by the big music/gaming/movie companies who want to see torrents and mp3 downloads phased out, we will see in the coming years.
To destroy the torrent userbase you never have to go after the computer savey sers, just the normal people who don't turn half the junk off. You make examples of those in large numbers and scare the pants off the majority. You can then go after the more tech savey people in harsher legal ways since they are are far smaller group.
The only issue I have with Win10 is the update feature. Unless you use some unofficial tricks (which might not always work) you can't control (as in Win7) when to download updates. This has had impact on online gaming, as brief as it might have been, but hey, it never comes at the right time. Other than that, I haven't had any issues with Win10, only getting to know if certain setting have been moved. All the privacy issues can be controlled (as much as that is nowadays possible) and isn't worse than what Apple has been doing for years and noone complained there (other than Apple haters).
Isn't worse than Apple? or as bad as Apple? after all if UWP isn't MS copying Apple what is it? But then, i am not sure how you can compare 'apps' or games like Candy Crush etc. that people play for the odd few minutes when they are taking a dump, to MMO's where players often are engaged for several hours, and having disrupted gameplay because 'Windows' needs to update itself and thats more important, is somehow comparable. It also ignores people who have 'older' apple devices that their owners complain get slower with every update, so as long as your just getting the 'new' devices, your perfectly fine, and the older ones, well, who cares right? O.o
It's fine. It's better than 8's tablet start menu and runs just as well as 7 in the majority of cases. Drivers are stable on it now as are most games and apps.
Really the only reason you wouldn't upgrade is if your hardware is complete crap or you think you are being cool and edgy by sticking with 7 because "it just works". Just because your mom still just works doesn't mean I shouldn't get her a boob job.
I installed Windows 10 on 4 of our computers at home. Performance is the same if not better on all of them. Absolutely no issues on any of them except one didn't want to activate when 10 first came out because I stupidly tried entering a CD key when doing an upgrade instead of doing a fresh install. That was a bit annoying but I got it figured out.
After that no issues at all. It's just like every release of a new Windows OS. I like it better than the previous versions. It works better than the previous versions. Aliens didn't abduct me more. Government officials didn't knock on my door more. Hackers didn't steal my identity. Next door neighbor didn't take over my computer from his basement. My dog didn't die.
Every single time a new Windows OS comes out there are so many people that make all sorts of outrageous claims and accusations like "OMG it's the worst OS EVAR. Windoes ME 4evAr!!!! It ate my dog! My wife left me for the McDonalds employee down the street because of it! The IRS sent me a letter saying I owed them $50k because of it!"
Here are a few from this thread:
"More of a tablet OS than a PC OS." - Huh?? It's on 4 of my PCs and none of them act like a tablet at all. 8.0 was a bit annoying unless you were smart enough to hit Windows Key + D, or figure out a workaround to skip the menu screen. Windows 10 automatically goes to desktop like older OS's unless you're running it on a tablet, or a new touch screen laptop that might be set up to act in tablet mode, or maybe you can set something to make a desktop go right there too if you really wanted. Yes there are features that make it a good OS to be used on tablets, but that doesn't mean the desktop experience is anything like a tablet experience unless you try to make it so.
"The number of tweaks you have to make for windows 10 to act like an OS for someone with an IQ over 80 is still higher than that of 7 and even XP." - Not sure what problems you're having, but on all 4 of my PCs I've had to make no tweaks at all. Everything runs great. All games run perfectly. Are you maybe trying to run on a 386SX with 1 MB RAM or something? The only way I could see you being required to make tweaks in Windows 10 is if you're running it on a seriously old PC that should have been upgraded/replaced back when Windows XP was new. Or maybe you're one of those people that think they're smarter than everyone else and you go mucking about in things that you should just leave alone and end up breaking stuff. Windows 10 out of the box works perfectly. If you install Windows 10 and immediately start going into the registry to manually change things.... Stop treating the OS like it's DOS or Windows 3.1. You don't need to touch the registry! The OS works as-is. Welcome to the future!
"For one multiple monitor support is still shabby." - My 2 monitors work just fine. When I had 3 hooked up that worked just fine too. When I switch one of my 2 over to be used on my work laptop and then back there's no issue. You sure your video card isn't to blame?
Etc, etc...
Windows 10 so far has been a completely fire-and-forget experience for us. If you want an OS that you don't have to fiddle with, keeps itself maintained and updated (I think this was actually a negative for someone?? lol), runs everything perfectly, will be supported for years to come, performs great, then there's no reason to avoid. Especially since it's free still. Or has that offer expired?
If it's free for you it's a no-brainer. If you have to purchase a full license ($100?) then it's just a question of why you're looking to upgrade your OS, or if you're building a new PC and need to buy an OS. If you're running Windows 7 or 8.1 you don't really NEED to upgrade to 10, but if it's free do it for sure and you'll be happy for years to come. If you're running XP or are building a PC without an OS I'd get 10 over 7 and 8.1.
The only times I'd suggest not upgrading to Windows 10 is: 1. You expect your OS to use no CPU, RAM, or reside on your hard drive. Because it's not year 2137 yet. 2. You expect your OS to be safe from viruses and malware without installing an anti-virus even though you like to download every single file you can find on hacker sites, and click on every single ad you can find on the internet. Because that's stupid and would ruin your day on ANY OS. 3. You expect your OS to make you coffee, wash your car, and give you a massage. Because you're not George Jetson. 4. Your PC is below the system requirements of 1 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM (32-bit OS) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit OS), free hard drive space of 16 GB (32-bit OS) or 20 GB (64-bit OS), DirectX 9 or later video capability. If you barely meet those requirements obviously it won't be the best experience.
Windows 10 is still a free upgrade, from eligible products. But that stops (presumably) July 29. I would advise everyone who is eligible to take the free upgrade, even if they don't use it right away. After the free upgrade period, assuming it doesn't get extended or the price changed, it will cost about the same as every other version of Windows has - about $100.
An improvement from Win8 - Win10 does have a Tablet mode, where it looks and acts more like Windows 8. It's only available on devices with a Touch input. It's very easy to accidentally get into Touch mode, and not know what you have done - I get this phone call all the time from people who just bought a new touch-capabale AIO and it goes "full screen can't get it back to desktop". The tablet mode isn't an improvement, the improvement for Win10 is that you can turn it off.
Is it the same as Apple? Sort of. Apple doesn't charge for OS updates any longer (there was a period of time where they did charge $25, but that's been years ago). Apple updates are optional - they don't force updates. Apple does have a more closed ecosystem with the Apple Store, but doesn't require that any Apps adhere to it on the Desktop (they do on Mobile though) and that's pretty similar to MS on Windows Store - you don't have to go through the Storefronts, but if you do, you have to follow the rules. Apple does have some reporting, but in general is very transparent about when they do it (mostly just crash data, anything through Siri, or anything you voluntarily sync over iCloud/Location Services/etc), and is pretty easy to turn off/on. And Apple doesn't turn it back on randomly without notice.
I'd give Apple the edge on transparency and privacy. It's clear MS is modeling after Apple's closed ecosystem, and that Apple is trying to migrate their desktop more towards their entirely closed Mobile market. But in a desktop, I don't know that you can ever get to an entirely closed ecosystem - then you basically have the equivalent of a console.
I tried it when it first came out with the free upgrade. It was OK but due to all the privacy crap i went back to W7. After a while my PC died so after rebuilding it anew i didnt have a valid W7 license anymore (my copy of W7 was OEM that came with my PC back in 2009. As a result i had to buy a copy of windows and was not going to pay for another OEM that will become obsolete again so i bought W10 directly from MS with student discount. I have been using it for a few months now and everything is fine. No issues whatsoever. All compatibility is good, drivers are good, games run fine. My PC also run smoother than with W7.
With that said, after giving it a lot of thought, i wont be buying W10 exclusive games. When i get the money i'll just get a cheap xbone, or just pass on all of them altogether. I never cared for GFWL and i dont really care about Windows 10 store and its "apps"
From what I understand, the biggest problem is the automatic updates. Last I heard, there was no "simple" way to deal with Win10 choosing to update whenever it feels like it in the Home edition of Win10.
Unless pressing the Win button and type "Update" counts as "not simple" then this is not correct.
Edit: This gives you access to "Advanced Settings for Windows Update" which lets you configure how agresive the download policy is.
From what I understand, the biggest problem is the automatic updates. Last I heard, there was no "simple" way to deal with Win10 choosing to update whenever it feels like it in the Home edition of Win10.
Unless pressing the Win button and type "Update" counts as "not simple" then this is not correct.
That is an easy way to get it to update; however, try telling it not to update.
From what I understand, the biggest problem is the automatic updates. Last I heard, there was no "simple" way to deal with Win10 choosing to update whenever it feels like it in the Home edition of Win10.
Unless pressing the Win button and type "Update" counts as "not simple" then this is not correct.
That is an easy way to get it to update; however, try telling it not to update.
Eh. No. I wont. That would be dumb... That is kinda the whole point of a self-maintaining OS...
"how win10 now?" A bit, a very tiny bit less intrusive, thanks to a lost lawsuit and the concerns of receiving a landslide of similar cases http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36657890 So, they're still forcing down everyone's throat the update, but at least they removed the sneaky red X issue. From now "If the red-x is selected on this new dialog, it will dismiss the dialog box and we will notify the device again in a few days.", which is indeed an improvement
Luckily it's only one more month left, and then we'll get rid of this whole "whether you want it or not we'll update it with any means necessary, you should be happy, it's FREEE, why are you resisting, it's good for you, Satya said so himself, just accept it" shenanigans.
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On my home systems, I would not run it if it wasn't going to be mandatory for games in the coming years. I have one desktop and two laptops. The desktop is my gaming machine so it's stuck with Win10, but the laptops are running Mac OSX and RedHat; Win10 will not ever touch either of those systems.
Windows 10 is essentially still in Beta. I've seen systems with it have the strangest errors. But that's what you'd expect of beta software.
Then you add on top of it the fact that Windows 10 is little more than spyware by default, recording everything you do and say, why would anyone subject themselves to that right now? By getting windows 10, you're gambling with buggy spyware.
Windows 7 Professional is working perfectly fine for me as it is. And if Windows 7 isn't broken, why fix it with something that often is?
Now if you were one of those that got the horrible 8 version yeah no point with not upgrading.
If it wasn't for gaming I wouldn't even run windows on my computers.
Windows 10 (and XBox) exclusive games!
i.e. Dead Rising 4 ( http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dead-rising-4-is-a-timed-exclusive-for-xbox-one-an/1100-6440999/ )
"It will remain a Windows 10 exclusive for the first 90 days and console exclusive on Xbox One for one year."
Isnt that great?
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
it's not always about having the best and greatest, sometimes newer things just run better...
there is also very little about windows 10 that screams to me touchscreen.
i have my start menu it's setup with shortcuts to games n such so i don't have to have my desktop littered with shortcuts.
i actually tested it as i was dual OS with 7 and 10 when witcher 3 came out and i actually had much better performance on windows 10 than windows 7, it wasnt marginal it was like a 42% performance increase over windows 7.
There is nothing about window's 10's functionality that takes away from gaming and not only that it's free is you own a previous version, so whats really the harm in upgrading.. it's not going to cost you anything.
Seems like a huge pain in the ass to keep track incase an update turns them back on or something.
Other than that, I haven't had any issues with Win10, only getting to know if certain setting have been moved.
All the privacy issues can be controlled (as much as that is nowadays possible) and isn't worse than what Apple has been doing for years and noone complained there (other than Apple haters).
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Anytime a major company aggressively gives away a major piece of expensive software you have to wonder why on earth would they do so. Personally I think windows 10 is being bankrolled by the big music/gaming/movie companies who want to see torrents and mp3 downloads phased out, we will see in the coming years.
To destroy the torrent userbase you never have to go after the computer savey sers, just the normal people who don't turn half the junk off. You make examples of those in large numbers and scare the pants off the majority. You can then go after the more tech savey people in harsher legal ways since they are are far smaller group.
But then, i am not sure how you can compare 'apps' or games like Candy Crush etc. that people play for the odd few minutes when they are taking a dump, to MMO's where players often are engaged for several hours, and having disrupted gameplay because 'Windows' needs to update itself and thats more important, is somehow comparable.
It also ignores people who have 'older' apple devices that their owners complain get slower with every update, so as long as your just getting the 'new' devices, your perfectly fine, and the older ones, well, who cares right? O.o
Really the only reason you wouldn't upgrade is if your hardware is complete crap or you think you are being cool and edgy by sticking with 7 because "it just works". Just because your mom still just works doesn't mean I shouldn't get her a boob job.
7 is the new XP.
After that no issues at all. It's just like every release of a new Windows OS. I like it better than the previous versions. It works better than the previous versions. Aliens didn't abduct me more. Government officials didn't knock on my door more. Hackers didn't steal my identity. Next door neighbor didn't take over my computer from his basement. My dog didn't die.
Every single time a new Windows OS comes out there are so many people that make all sorts of outrageous claims and accusations like "OMG it's the worst OS EVAR. Windoes ME 4evAr!!!! It ate my dog! My wife left me for the McDonalds employee down the street because of it! The IRS sent me a letter saying I owed them $50k because of it!"
Here are a few from this thread:
"More of a tablet OS than a PC OS." - Huh?? It's on 4 of my PCs and none of them act like a tablet at all. 8.0 was a bit annoying unless you were smart enough to hit Windows Key + D, or figure out a workaround to skip the menu screen. Windows 10 automatically goes to desktop like older OS's unless you're running it on a tablet, or a new touch screen laptop that might be set up to act in tablet mode, or maybe you can set something to make a desktop go right there too if you really wanted. Yes there are features that make it a good OS to be used on tablets, but that doesn't mean the desktop experience is anything like a tablet experience unless you try to make it so.
"The number of tweaks you have to make for windows 10 to act like an OS for someone with an IQ over 80 is still higher than that of 7 and even XP." - Not sure what problems you're having, but on all 4 of my PCs I've had to make no tweaks at all. Everything runs great. All games run perfectly. Are you maybe trying to run on a 386SX with 1 MB RAM or something? The only way I could see you being required to make tweaks in Windows 10 is if you're running it on a seriously old PC that should have been upgraded/replaced back when Windows XP was new. Or maybe you're one of those people that think they're smarter than everyone else and you go mucking about in things that you should just leave alone and end up breaking stuff. Windows 10 out of the box works perfectly. If you install Windows 10 and immediately start going into the registry to manually change things.... Stop treating the OS like it's DOS or Windows 3.1. You don't need to touch the registry! The OS works as-is. Welcome to the future!
"For one multiple monitor support is still shabby." - My 2 monitors work just fine. When I had 3 hooked up that worked just fine too. When I switch one of my 2 over to be used on my work laptop and then back there's no issue. You sure your video card isn't to blame?
Etc, etc...
Windows 10 so far has been a completely fire-and-forget experience for us. If you want an OS that you don't have to fiddle with, keeps itself maintained and updated (I think this was actually a negative for someone?? lol), runs everything perfectly, will be supported for years to come, performs great, then there's no reason to avoid. Especially since it's free still. Or has that offer expired?
If it's free for you it's a no-brainer. If you have to purchase a full license ($100?) then it's just a question of why you're looking to upgrade your OS, or if you're building a new PC and need to buy an OS. If you're running Windows 7 or 8.1 you don't really NEED to upgrade to 10, but if it's free do it for sure and you'll be happy for years to come. If you're running XP or are building a PC without an OS I'd get 10 over 7 and 8.1.
The only times I'd suggest not upgrading to Windows 10 is:
1. You expect your OS to use no CPU, RAM, or reside on your hard drive. Because it's not year 2137 yet.
2. You expect your OS to be safe from viruses and malware without installing an anti-virus even though you like to download every single file you can find on hacker sites, and click on every single ad you can find on the internet. Because that's stupid and would ruin your day on ANY OS.
3. You expect your OS to make you coffee, wash your car, and give you a massage. Because you're not George Jetson.
4. Your PC is below the system requirements of 1 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM (32-bit OS) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit OS), free hard drive space of 16 GB (32-bit OS) or 20 GB (64-bit OS), DirectX 9 or later video capability. If you barely meet those requirements obviously it won't be the best experience.
An improvement from Win8 - Win10 does have a Tablet mode, where it looks and acts more like Windows 8. It's only available on devices with a Touch input. It's very easy to accidentally get into Touch mode, and not know what you have done - I get this phone call all the time from people who just bought a new touch-capabale AIO and it goes "full screen can't get it back to desktop". The tablet mode isn't an improvement, the improvement for Win10 is that you can turn it off.
Is it the same as Apple? Sort of. Apple doesn't charge for OS updates any longer (there was a period of time where they did charge $25, but that's been years ago). Apple updates are optional - they don't force updates. Apple does have a more closed ecosystem with the Apple Store, but doesn't require that any Apps adhere to it on the Desktop (they do on Mobile though) and that's pretty similar to MS on Windows Store - you don't have to go through the Storefronts, but if you do, you have to follow the rules. Apple does have some reporting, but in general is very transparent about when they do it (mostly just crash data, anything through Siri, or anything you voluntarily sync over iCloud/Location Services/etc), and is pretty easy to turn off/on. And Apple doesn't turn it back on randomly without notice.
I'd give Apple the edge on transparency and privacy. It's clear MS is modeling after Apple's closed ecosystem, and that Apple is trying to migrate their desktop more towards their entirely closed Mobile market. But in a desktop, I don't know that you can ever get to an entirely closed ecosystem - then you basically have the equivalent of a console.
With that said, after giving it a lot of thought, i wont be buying W10 exclusive games. When i get the money i'll just get a cheap xbone, or just pass on all of them altogether. I never cared for GFWL and i dont really care about Windows 10 store and its "apps"
Edit: This gives you access to "Advanced Settings for Windows Update" which lets you configure how agresive the download policy is.
Actually I forgot... sometimes windows explorer messes up and you have to restart it in task manager to get it to work right again.
A bit, a very tiny bit less intrusive, thanks to a lost lawsuit and the concerns of receiving a landslide of similar cases
So, they're still forcing down everyone's throat the update, but at least they removed the sneaky red X issue. From now "If the red-x is selected on this new dialog, it will dismiss the dialog box and we will notify the device again in a few days.", which is indeed an improvement
Luckily it's only one more month left, and then we'll get rid of this whole "whether you want it or not we'll update it with any means necessary, you should be happy, it's FREEE, why are you resisting, it's good for you, Satya said so himself, just accept it" shenanigans.
under windows 7 i can change the size to mini so the bars doesnt look like a huge banner on my screen