Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
the mmo genre is smaller than you think. WoW is from Warcraft thus not true mmo bloodline, Same with Star Wars, Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy. Every other game or i would call it the clones are from the mmo bloodline but they are bastardized versions of the mmo. The mmo genre is everyone that played before 2003. Its got to be high fantasy, DnD, persistent world, open world to be classified as an mmo. The mmo is almost dead to us. Pantheon is the saviour of the genre. We are about 5-10 million strong. Original mmo players. The others will play clones or franchise games with mmo formulas and scratch their heads and wonder why something is off, then lose hope. Well, We got you my brothers! Come, let us find another home to us. The true and original mmo players. And maybe we can grow from here. Who knows, maybe there will be spots on the internet for us again. Instead of being hijacked by other "mmo" players in the genre. Maybe Mmorpg.com will have a seperate old skool forum section or something. We deserve it, we are the true bloodline.
Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
the mmo genre is smaller than you think. WoW is from Warcraft thus not true mmo bloodline, Same with Star Wars, Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy. Every other game or i would call it the clones are from the mmo bloodline but they are bastardized versions of the mmo. The mmo genre is everyone that played before 2003. Its got to be high fantasy, DnD, persistent world, open world to be classified as an mmo. The mmo is almost dead to us. Pantheon is the saviour of the genre. We are about 5-10 million strong. Original mmo players. The others will play clones or franchise games with mmo formulas and scratch their heads and wonder why something is off, then lose hope. Well, We got you my brothers! Come, let us find another home to us. The true and original mmo players. And maybe we can grow from here. Who knows, maybe there will be spots on the internet for us again. Instead of being hijacked by other "mmo" players in the genre. Maybe Mmorpg.com will have a seperate old skool forum section or something. We deserve it, we are the true bloodline.
I think the O2 level in the room the OP is in might be getting a bit low....
I must speak for our behalf! Too long have we sulked in the shadows when it was OURS to begin with. We are the orginal port from MUD to software rpgers that came to be and the closest thing to Tabletop DnD. We deserve more recognition to our wants since we've been casted off to make room for non mmo players and saturate our genre to a point where it almost died...Every fan base needs to thrive. We were almost at extinction. We won't let that happen again. We must declare our independence!
Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
the mmo genre is smaller than you think. WoW is from Warcraft thus not true mmo bloodline, Same with Star Wars, Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy. Every other game or i would call it the clones are from the mmo bloodline but they are bastardized versions of the mmo. The mmo genre is everyone that played before 2003. Its got to be high fantasy, DnD, persistent world, open world to be classified as an mmo. The mmo is almost dead to us. Pantheon is the saviour of the genre. We are about 5-10 million strong. Original mmo players. The others will play clones or franchise games with mmo formulas and scratch their heads and wonder why something is off, then lose hope. Well, We got you my brothers! Come, let us find another home to us. The true and original mmo players. And maybe we can grow from here. Who knows, maybe there will be spots on the internet for us again. Instead of being hijacked by other "mmo" players in the genre. Maybe Mmorpg.com will have a seperate old skool forum section or something. We deserve it, we are the true bloodline.
Ohhhhh, ok, I get it. This is one of those, "You're not a real <insert any genre> gamer if you didn't play prior to <insert arbitrary date>" That's cute.
Despite what you might believe, there are actually more people playing things like tabletop games than there was in the hay day of D&D. I would even go as far as to say that there are some kids out there with a better understanding of D&D than most people who claim to be a "true" mmo gamer.
Just saying, it's is a bold, bold claim, especially considering that back in 2003 there weren't 5-10 million subscribers across the entire genre.
I really hope Pantheon is a great game and I don't think they will bend to fit the casual users, which is good for the genre. However, I also worry that the game will be filled with elitists, with ideas similar to what you stated above (if those are actually your beliefs), so you'll actually stunt the growth of the genre organically, from within.
As much as I enjoyed the old time of EQ, DAoC, FFXI, and a couple other ones. I didn't enjoy the superb fun of the super grind. No I didn't enjoy exping for hours on end to have some moron come along and get me killed and my xp go poof or me have to pay some necro and cleric to summon and 90% rez my corpse (the summon, provided the group was super far in a dungeon of sorts, was a last resort to dying over and over trying to get it. There were other ways of course, but sometimes best just to pay the Necro to summon.). Though EQ has changed over the years, no longer a need for a Necro, just go to the guild hall, pay and have cleric rez.
I'm older and I don't have tons of hours to dedicate to playing MMO's anymore. I enjoy an MMO I can get on, get a couple things done before my daughter wakes up from a nap and then log off. I don't mind some group oriented games. But really I've moved on from having to have the biggest time sink game and calling it hardcore. It's not hardcore just because it takes you 20 hours to pop one level. It is just a big time sink.
I hope that everyone that is looking forward to this game finds exactly what they are looking for. I honestly truly do. But let's not go off calling this game the savior of anything. Since it has the exact person behind it that fucked Vanguard over so hard, that is was pretty much DoA (perhaps some lube should of been used). SoE just kept it afloat all those years, I am guessing to add a nice bonus to the All Access Pass.
These types of games are very Niche, they will carve their own little place in the MMOverse, but it won't be anything to alter what is already there. It will just be its own thing, and that is good for those that want it.
And to say that the MMO games were or are almost dead is a bit narrow minded, especially since you seem to think only high fantasy classifies as an MMO. I seriously hope you are trolling or that is quite possible one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this site. I've been playing since 2000 and I've yet to see them die down, only go forward bigger and stronger than they were before.
You have to understand. There is no place for us anymore. Don't be fooled by the clones or the next big mmo franchise. Those who played mmos in the past remember it dearly. We don't want it to die. Ive played Wildstar, WoW, GW2, TSW, SWTOR, TESO, Rift, Warhammer, Black Desert, FF14, and none of them lasted more than 2 months and over 200 hours before i quit and cancelled sub. The 2 newest ones, TESO and BD i cancelled after 6 months. all subbed, all ready to get into it. That is NOT the behaviour of a healthy genre tell me that...The genre gets new people in and it seems more and more mmorpgs are destined to be like the console. We don't want that. We are the PC masterrace! our orgins come from 1993 when aol netscape playing gemstone and muds, reading PC gamer, buying video cards. Gaming is nearly saturated to a point where our entertainment is nearly as portable as an xbox. We dont want to turn our god like PCs to an xbox. What an insult! The genre never took off, Right when it was about to SWG failed and WoW succeeded and now we were in a low since then, never achieving a high, Everquest was a great start. Maybe we could get it back with Pantheon. Who knows what comes out of this.
Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
the mmo genre is smaller than you think. WoW is from Warcraft thus not true mmo bloodline, Same with Star Wars, Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy. Every other game or i would call it the clones are from the mmo bloodline but they are bastardized versions of the mmo. The mmo genre is everyone that played before 2003. Its got to be high fantasy, DnD, persistent world, open world to be classified as an mmo. The mmo is almost dead to us. Pantheon is the saviour of the genre. We are about 5-10 million strong. Original mmo players. The others will play clones or franchise games with mmo formulas and scratch their heads and wonder why something is off, then lose hope. Well, We got you my brothers! Come, let us find another home to us. The true and original mmo players. And maybe we can grow from here. Who knows, maybe there will be spots on the internet for us again. Instead of being hijacked by other "mmo" players in the genre. Maybe Mmorpg.com will have a seperate old skool forum section or something. We deserve it, we are the true bloodline.
Ohhhhh, ok, I get it. This is one of those, "You're not a real <insert any genre> gamer if you didn't play prior to <insert arbitrary date>" That's cute.
Despite what you might believe, there are actually more people playing things like tabletop games than there was in the hay day of D&D. I would even go as far as to say that there are some kids out there with a better understanding of D&D than most people who claim to be a "true" mmo gamer.
Just saying, it's is a bold, bold claim, especially considering that back in 2003 there weren't 5-10 million subscribers across the entire genre.
I really hope Pantheon is a great game and I don't think they will bend to fit the casual users, which is good for the genre. However, I also worry that the game will be filled with elitists, with ideas similar to what you stated above (if those are actually your beliefs), so you'll actually stunt the growth of the genre organically, from within.
No, we tried it your way, we allowed for more casual games and every game that came after that and now we put our foot down. We want hardcore death penalty grouping must DnD or else we won't support another mmorpg for more than a month. Believe me, when this game comes out everyone is going to put their effort and time into this one. Others be damn. This is a warning...
Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
the mmo genre is smaller than you think. WoW is from Warcraft thus not true mmo bloodline, Same with Star Wars, Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy. Every other game or i would call it the clones are from the mmo bloodline but they are bastardized versions of the mmo. The mmo genre is everyone that played before 2003. Its got to be high fantasy, DnD, persistent world, open world to be classified as an mmo. The mmo is almost dead to us. Pantheon is the saviour of the genre. We are about 5-10 million strong. Original mmo players. The others will play clones or franchise games with mmo formulas and scratch their heads and wonder why something is off, then lose hope. Well, We got you my brothers! Come, let us find another home to us. The true and original mmo players. And maybe we can grow from here. Who knows, maybe there will be spots on the internet for us again. Instead of being hijacked by other "mmo" players in the genre. Maybe Mmorpg.com will have a seperate old skool forum section or something. We deserve it, we are the true bloodline.
Ohhhhh, ok, I get it. This is one of those, "You're not a real <insert any genre> gamer if you didn't play prior to <insert arbitrary date>" That's cute.
Despite what you might believe, there are actually more people playing things like tabletop games than there was in the hay day of D&D. I would even go as far as to say that there are some kids out there with a better understanding of D&D than most people who claim to be a "true" mmo gamer.
Just saying, it's is a bold, bold claim, especially considering that back in 2003 there weren't 5-10 million subscribers across the entire genre.
I really hope Pantheon is a great game and I don't think they will bend to fit the casual users, which is good for the genre. However, I also worry that the game will be filled with elitists, with ideas similar to what you stated above (if those are actually your beliefs), so you'll actually stunt the growth of the genre organically, from within.
No, we tried it your way, we allowed for more casual games and every game that came after that and now we put our foot down. We want hardcore death penalty grouping must DnD or else we won't support another mmorpg for more than a month. Believe me, when this game comes out everyone is going to put their effort and time into this one. Others be damn. This is a warning...
Have fun with that too. In the meanwhile the rest of us will continue doing our thing while you stomp your foot like an angry toddler.
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We don't have the money to influence the industry anymore. And if we don't grow some balls we won't have games that we will play for years anymore. We are driven back by people who aren't interested in what we like. The devs aren't listening to us. And its not just this genre but every game prior to 2003. Dungeon Siege was a great game and no more in 2016. Im pretty sure people would enjoy the games we loved if given a chance. The new heroes of might and magic, diablo 3. all influenced by the mmorpg so even our classic games have been taken from us. Star craft 2? The only thing that came out of this was the moba. which is fairly interesting but cannot be the end all. Games in general really suck. Even Medal of Honor blows Call of Duty away in immersion and gameplay just not modern...Hmmm i wonder how to fix that? Maybe if we could support this pantheon game we could get the quality games we all know and love again. Let me ask you whats the best game out there right now all genres? Overwatch is my answer and thats an fps. Mmorpg was the king at one point. Nothing beat it. Shit i remember Baldurs Gate and Icewind Dale and thinking its much better than Divinity Original Sin. Wizards of the coast needs ot make another Baldurs Gate. More games like morrowind less games like Skyrim. Zelda is nearly 30 years old and still is a classic, it had imagination. What do i know?
Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
the mmo genre is smaller than you think. WoW is from Warcraft thus not true mmo bloodline, Same with Star Wars, Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy. Every other game or i would call it the clones are from the mmo bloodline but they are bastardized versions of the mmo. The mmo genre is everyone that played before 2003. Its got to be high fantasy, DnD, persistent world, open world to be classified as an mmo. The mmo is almost dead to us. Pantheon is the saviour of the genre. We are about 5-10 million strong. Original mmo players. The others will play clones or franchise games with mmo formulas and scratch their heads and wonder why something is off, then lose hope. Well, We got you my brothers! Come, let us find another home to us. The true and original mmo players. And maybe we can grow from here. Who knows, maybe there will be spots on the internet for us again. Instead of being hijacked by other "mmo" players in the genre. Maybe Mmorpg.com will have a seperate old skool forum section or something. We deserve it, we are the true bloodline.
Ohhhhh, ok, I get it. This is one of those, "You're not a real <insert any genre> gamer if you didn't play prior to <insert arbitrary date>" That's cute.
Despite what you might believe, there are actually more people playing things like tabletop games than there was in the hay day of D&D. I would even go as far as to say that there are some kids out there with a better understanding of D&D than most people who claim to be a "true" mmo gamer.
Just saying, it's is a bold, bold claim, especially considering that back in 2003 there weren't 5-10 million subscribers across the entire genre.
I really hope Pantheon is a great game and I don't think they will bend to fit the casual users, which is good for the genre. However, I also worry that the game will be filled with elitists, with ideas similar to what you stated above (if those are actually your beliefs), so you'll actually stunt the growth of the genre organically, from within.
No, we tried it your way, we allowed for more casual games and every game that came after that and now we put our foot down. We want hardcore death penalty grouping must DnD or else we won't support another mmorpg for more than a month. Believe me, when this game comes out everyone is going to put their effort and time into this one. Others be damn. This is a warning...
Have fun with that too. In the meanwhile the rest of us will continue doing our thing while you stomp your foot like an angry toddler.
You're like me, one person, only you don't have a thread which a thousand will see and i will see my way into getting my idea out to the internet by means. So i will do my thing while you will i dont know what you will be doing but you are free to leave a post in this thread i mean duh, we're having a discussion lol...
Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
I bet that's correct. Of course, they know that it's a niche game.
Sure, I plan to be one of those subscribers but I don't believe for a moment that Pantheon is the savior of the mmo genre. Especially a genre that has grown to include so many types of games that there are a lot of different types of players with a lot of different tastes.
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*sigh* Another 'Hooray. Let it be 1999 again!' post. If there is any savior for this genre (if I agreed that the genre needs a savior) isn't buried in the past. Rehashing ideas and systems that players got tired of in 2003 just isn't the way to the future.
Now, active time travel and you'd have me interested.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
I bet that's correct. Of course, they know that it's a niche game.
Sure, I plan to be one of those subscribers but I don't believe for a moment that Pantheon is the savior of the mmo genre. Especially a genre that has grown to include so many types of games that there are a lot of different types of players with a lot of different tastes.
Don't focus on them, focus on you for once. Your voice matters. Find that voice and spread it to the internet. To vent. Everquest in its 17 year history accumulated 20 million subscriptions. People paying 15 dollars per month. That is the base im talking to. I made this thread because i knew people are interested in pantheon, being Brad McQuaids game. This thread isnt in pub anymore so we can be as niche as we want here. We aren't here to conquer the genre, we are here to save it. For people like us. For people who fucking like the shit we like. For fucks sake we don't have to appeal to everyones feelings or Political Correctness. We can yell as loud as we want to here. This is our place.
Lot of talking about we this and we that... would suggest that the op learn to talk for him/herself only.
You are not talking for me. Your definition of MMO can not even be agreed upon by the few people on this forum, let alone what type of game people will enjoy.
Like old school? And this title in particular? More power to you and others that do. But, really, try to have a discussion without all the over the top demands and expectations. You will get a better "discussion" that way i would say.
*sigh* Another 'Hooray. Let it be 1999 again!' post. If there is any savior for this genre (if I agreed that the genre needs a savior) isn't buried in the past. Rehashing ideas and systems that players got tired of in 2003 just isn't the way to the future.
Now, active time travel and you'd have me interested.
We're not here to conquer. We're here to thrive. There isnt a place on the internet that appeals to us. There isn't a game out there that can sastify us anymore. We need satisfaction. Every person of every age needs satisfaction. I remember it that so being that way in the 90's early 00's and look how wonderful that age was. But we are talking about pc games. What needs to happen to get people interested in games where it won't be acceptable anymore. I want games so good gaming would be considered anti social again lol. We are ripe for this. If you are in your 30's you are in the height of your life! Throughout every generation 30 year olds conquer. Well 20, because we already set the world on fire. But these 20 year olds born in 91+ are NOT setting the world on fire. There isnt any new trends that is taking the world by storm. Mobas, wow. Thats it, and frankly thats not good enough. If we can't do it because of our numbers and if the 20 year olds cant do it we have to put a wrench into everything the gaming industry is doing and hope the 10 year olds are taking notice, because they are our future. We have to say No this is not the way to make a game or design a game and we have to be loud. We have to be boisterous. We have to say everything we need to say to prevent the crisis of gaming today. We are talking about people who just got in and will be satisfied by anything. If you want to be a gamer you have to be anti social. That is what i want to show the new people. We cant let games be as dull as us in our 60s.
Pretty sure they have LESS money than before and i have not seen one single complete triple A game ...yet.
Sure i have played and rather enjoyed some mmorpg's but nothing is a triple A game,all are very cheaply tossed together.Reason is nobody can afford the time and cost to make every single aspect of a mmorpg really well. So realistic expectations would be more of the same,a generated world,some mobs,a few classes and some formulas to determine damage and rewards.Then instead of being a realistic world that lives on,we will start hearing about END GAME and very early on,before the first year is even over.
I am expecting a 5-6/10 at best,would not be surprised to see a 4/10,i rate Wow a 4/10,so take that for what it's worth.
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Let's be real here, the game won't get above 50k - 100k subscribers, and that's being generous.
I bet that's correct. Of course, they know that it's a niche game.
Sure, I plan to be one of those subscribers but I don't believe for a moment that Pantheon is the savior of the mmo genre. Especially a genre that has grown to include so many types of games that there are a lot of different types of players with a lot of different tastes.
Don't focus on them, focus on you for once. Your voice matters. Find that voice and spread it to the internet. To vent. Everquest in its 17 year history accumulated 20 million subscriptions. People paying 15 dollars per month. That is the base im talking to. I made this thread because i knew people are interested in pantheon, being Brad McQuaids game. This thread isnt in pub anymore so we can be as niche as we want here. We aren't here to conquer the genre, we are here to save it. For people like us. For people who fucking like the shit we like. For fucks sake we don't have to appeal to everyones feelings or Political Correctness. We can yell as loud as we want to here. This is our place.
I'm not focusing on "them" I truly believe exactly what I said and I absolutely think Forgrimm is correct.
If I had millions of dollars to develop "a Pantheon" I would only do so with the idea that it would generate a lower amount of subscribers. Referring to budget that is.
edit: I'll add that it doesn't matter that in the history of Everquest it accumulated 20 million subs.
Let's look at that.
Not everyone of those 20 million liked the game (you know, the people who buy a game but realize it's not for them), not everyone put in the same amount of time and "today" not everyone of those people can spend their time playing video games or are even still interested in video games.
Or are even interested in the same type of game.
In truth, you are thinking with emotions. Additionally you need to better understand what political correctness means.
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Lot of talking about we this and we that... would suggest that the op learn to talk for him/herself only.
You are not talking for me. Your definition of MMO can not even be agreed upon by the few people on this forum, let alone what type of game people will enjoy.
Like old school? And this title in particular? More power to you and others that do. But, really, try to have a discussion without all the over the top demands and expectations. You will get a better "discussion" that way i would say.
I feel like i went back in time and writing this knowing the future. There isn't some diverse opinion otherwise magazines wouldn't be able to drive in a point. Do you know what im saying? Individuality, though i love it, is not what my generation grew up as. Our voices aren't diverse. Im talking to my generation as if im queuing in on the signals everyone gets. We all "get it" in a way. We can coordinate without much planning at all. Lets say were on the same page. And its easier to vent frustrations when eveyone around feels it. Ask the people who posted here. There isn't a person here who posted What are you talking about, games are great. No its a common theme that games aren't living up to what they were. And if it doesn't make sense is because you read garbage literature. Great novels aren't always clear. Theres supposed to be some time for research to get what they are truly saying. Do you get what im saying. Don't read the news is what all im saying.
You take my words literally when they should be taken figuratively.
There are numerous games listed on mmorpg.com which in my opinion are crap. Many I think will do poorly if and when they are ever released.
But I don't hang out in the forums for those games repeatedly expressing my distaste to their followers, and responding to anything positive that is said with a reiteration of my view to the contrary - like it was my job to run those games down.
What's up with that? I mean, people are free to express their views of course. Constructive criticism has value. No one wants a forum for fanbois only. Many new people probably have valid questions.
But day after day after day, "this is going to fail, the game sucks, Brad sucks, you nostalgic old folks suck" - is there a point to that? Is someone concerned the game might possibly succeed unless they personally spent every day giving it a middle finger lol?
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I just cancelled TESO and BD. Thanks for nothing, two of the shiniest currently, No appeal. Not even thinking about coming back. I don't think the devs are listening. They've been trying to attract newer players in every game and ruining sequels. I get into a game, theres a lot to do but i don't want to do it all. I don't know if they are getting the psychology of the game wrong but little reward for little risk, to gradually build up your armor in increments, the grind for gear is just so horrible design. In Everquest you start off with no gear and get lucky and get an awesome piece of gear. Hell, if you are not getting a gear drop you are wearing Fine Steel plate armor that is still like an arm and a leg to buy. But once you gear up if you ever do you feel like a superhero. You become valuable and can even solo. Other than necros who they just had to make a class like that for the solo players but winning a roll for armor is like a life changing event. It really feels like real life when you can enjoy the benefits of labour and luck. And screw the auction house! Corpse runs made it to where traveling to Dragon Necropolis to camp extremely fun (and also the dungeon xp bonus) and Siren's Grotto, its only annoying because its an old game. If a new game had Corpse Runs people would still be doing it without complaining, the only thing is it would make the new people cry and give up, but they would still want to play it if they found a way to get it back. No other game will attempt corpse runs because there is no game worth corpse running to. Its not what the player envisions the game to be. If the game is good people would gladly corpse run. It would be a fun mini game. Im right you know. And noone wants to solo for real, they are only forced to or again its up to the game they are playing, if the game is not worth it, to bend to a group when you could be out there getting gear than people won't group and that avenue is gone forever. Not with this game. Group play is the fun part. Basically Pantheon is getting everything what Evequest got wrong and make it right as far as the group game.
There are numerous games listed on mmorpg.com which in my opinion are crap. Many I think will do poorly if and when they are ever released.
But I don't hang out in the forums for those games repeatedly expressing my distaste to their followers, and responding to anything positive that is said with a reiteration of my view to the contrary - like it was my job to run those games down.
What's up with that? I mean, people are free to express their views of course. Constructive criticism has value. No one wants a forum for fanbois only. Many new people probably have valid questions.
But day after day after day, "this is going to fail, the game sucks, Brad sucks, you nostalgic old folks suck" - is there a point to that? Is someone concerned the game might possibly succeed unless they personally spent every day giving it a middle finger lol?
I think only one person in this entire thread said that the game would fail.
Most people are saying that realistic expectations are called for.
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Im a hardcore mmo player. I already know i won't be dissapointed in pantheon and the only negative is i might be left with nothing else to do. The thing about mmos is that they come few and far between. And looking at the prospects im seeing more games going the route of clones then original meant to be games like pantheon. If there were more games like pantheon and everquest i wouldn't talk about the genre dying and be thoroughly entertained but the fact of the matter is, reality and the trends all point to dire straits in the mmo world. More people are coming in who don't know anything about dnd forcing developer hands into making poor dungeon master games with shiny fluff features that have nothing to do with the game and making the dungeon master akin to pokemon red. The new people get the rpg of it but do they get the Dungeons and Dragons of it? The only people who have been exposed to that are gone leaving us in such dire straits in to which the religion of mmorpg is not clean and is susceptible to radicalization and losing the real intent in order to save the souls of those who won't stick to the core principles. Player housing, collectibles, shiny's? This wasn't in DnD. What do you think about card games after Magic:The gathering? There isn't a true sequel that does it better than the original and Pantheon might be the true sequel to Everquest that does it better and what a period of time we will be in if 1999 comes back to 2017!
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I must speak for our behalf! Too long have we sulked in the shadows when it was OURS to begin with. We are the orginal port from MUD to software rpgers that came to be and the closest thing to Tabletop DnD. We deserve more recognition to our wants since we've been casted off to make room for non mmo players and saturate our genre to a point where it almost died...Every fan base needs to thrive. We were almost at extinction. We won't let that happen again. We must declare our independence!
Ohhhhh, ok, I get it. This is one of those, "You're not a real <insert any genre> gamer if you didn't play prior to <insert arbitrary date>" That's cute.
Despite what you might believe, there are actually more people playing things like tabletop games than there was in the hay day of D&D. I would even go as far as to say that there are some kids out there with a better understanding of D&D than most people who claim to be a "true" mmo gamer.
Just saying, it's is a bold, bold claim, especially considering that back in 2003 there weren't 5-10 million subscribers across the entire genre.
I really hope Pantheon is a great game and I don't think they will bend to fit the casual users, which is good for the genre. However, I also worry that the game will be filled with elitists, with ideas similar to what you stated above (if those are actually your beliefs), so you'll actually stunt the growth of the genre organically, from within.
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Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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In the meanwhile the rest of us will continue doing our thing while you stomp your foot like an angry toddler.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
Sure, I plan to be one of those subscribers but I don't believe for a moment that Pantheon is the savior of the mmo genre. Especially a genre that has grown to include so many types of games that there are a lot of different types of players with a lot of different tastes.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Now, active time travel and you'd have me interested.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
You are not talking for me. Your definition of MMO can not even be agreed upon by the few people on this forum, let alone what type of game people will enjoy.
Like old school? And this title in particular? More power to you and others that do. But, really, try to have a discussion without all the over the top demands and expectations. You will get a better "discussion" that way i would say.
Sure i have played and rather enjoyed some mmorpg's but nothing is a triple A game,all are very cheaply tossed together.Reason is nobody can afford the time and cost to make every single aspect of a mmorpg really well.
So realistic expectations would be more of the same,a generated world,some mobs,a few classes and some formulas to determine damage and rewards.Then instead of being a realistic world that lives on,we will start hearing about END GAME and very early on,before the first year is even over.
I am expecting a 5-6/10 at best,would not be surprised to see a 4/10,i rate Wow a 4/10,so take that for what it's worth.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
If I had millions of dollars to develop "a Pantheon" I would only do so with the idea that it would generate a lower amount of subscribers. Referring to budget that is.
edit: I'll add that it doesn't matter that in the history of Everquest it accumulated 20 million subs.
Let's look at that.
Not everyone of those 20 million liked the game (you know, the people who buy a game but realize it's not for them), not everyone put in the same amount of time and "today" not everyone of those people can spend their time playing video games or are even still interested in video games.
Or are even interested in the same type of game.
In truth, you are thinking with emotions. Additionally you need to better understand what political correctness means.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You take my words literally when they should be taken figuratively.
There are numerous games listed on mmorpg.com which in my opinion are crap. Many I think will do poorly if and when they are ever released.
But I don't hang out in the forums for those games repeatedly expressing my distaste to their followers, and responding to anything positive that is said with a reiteration of my view to the contrary - like it was my job to run those games down.
What's up with that? I mean, people are free to express their views of course. Constructive criticism has value. No one wants a forum for fanbois only. Many new people probably have valid questions.
But day after day after day, "this is going to fail, the game sucks, Brad sucks, you nostalgic old folks suck" - is there a point to that? Is someone concerned the game might possibly succeed unless they personally spent every day giving it a middle finger lol?
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
I'm looking forward to the game also.. but going into 2017 expecting 1999 will leave you disappointed.
Your 1999 experience was gameplay, tech interaction, and new genre experience.
Pantheon will give you 1/3 of that... have fun turning back the wheels of time to get the rest.
Most people are saying that realistic expectations are called for.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo