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Why AR will be what Current VR always dreamed of.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
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    Here is a couple little clues for ya

    A game is an application.

    Industrial and Military applications are much more demanding than gaming applications.
    ok fine I will explain this to you in detail,  to me it should be very obvious

    1. In a motorcycle HUD you will not need the image to be of a great quality. it just needs to be good enough to read the text. game should have better graphics then what would be needed in a motorcycle HUD

    2. In a motorcycle HUD you do not need high frames per second because you are not watching motion. its a static image

    3. In a motorcycle HUD you do not need to track location of hands, or of what the users is looking at.

    4. In a motorcycle HUD the image does not change often or move often. You see these things are important in computing


    The vast majority of high power PCs in the home are high powered because of gaming. If a user does not game then the computing power requirements drop dramatically. why? because of things like I just gave exxample to above.

    people sometimes ask me on these forums why I am so condensending. well if I am to believe a person like yourself really does not understand the difference then how exactly should I view my audience here?
    1. I wouldn't buy one if it looked like shit

    2.  Your are watching movement, your watching your tach and your watching your speedo. Smooth    operation and latency are critical unless you like blown motors.

    3. Hand operation will come if its not here already. Control you Smartphone, pick a song, take or make a call, etc. etc.

    4. Your speed and RPM are moving all the time.

    I wouldn't waste my time or my money on a motorcycle HUD that looks and works like shit, Which I'm sure some of them do.
    yes I understand that you think the computing and video requirements of a hand held GPS is the same as the requirements to play a AAA game and are confused as to why all gaming PCs arent just as big as a Garmin but I am not in the mood to explain to you the difference and as a person (you) who are not single you should think about if you want to dive down to my level or not
    Your a legend in your own mind Sean
    according to you

    The video computing requirements of a black and white LCD watch is the same as an Xbox.

    Not really in the mood to explain to you why its not

    A HUD on a motorcycle bike is basically a handheld GPS device or a black and white watch at best its not a fucking xbox game
    What the heck are you going on about now?  Everything I've been saying argues for less computer power needed.

    ie HUDs have been around since the 1980's

    Aircraft are a fuck ton more complicated than a motorcycle.

    Now I don't know about you, but my pride and joy of a computer back then was my Amiga 1000 with a processor speed 12mhz and a whopping 500k of ram. Based on my experience from using the system in the day. This kind of processing power would be Overkill when it would come to running a HUD with the simple display information needed for a motorcycle.

    You brought up Motorcycle helmets with HUDS and you made silly statements about projectors and sunshine.

    Augmented Reality applications and cameras with motion detection might be new for you, but I've been using these technologies for well over a decade in things like these. The cameras in machines such as these are capable of detecting and/or placing objects to within 0.001 of an inch.


    Like I said

    you are confused as to why I think a motorcycle HUD AR system would not require nearly as much computing power as a AR game would.

    and I am not going to explain it to you because I already tried once now drop it please and do not respond to me on this matter again please

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  • Solar_ProphetSolar_Prophet Member EpicPosts: 1,960
    Yeah, I love this new AR thing, all the news reports of people using said app to mug you or case your house is awesome!
    Still better than VR. With VR someone could steal the entire contents of your home around you while you're flailing about the living room like an idiot. 

    AR allows you to experience content similar to VR, but set against the backdrop of our actual world, adding to immersion in many instances. With VR you see a fully 'virtual world', but are either sitting down with a controller in your hand, or moving around and bumping into walls and knocking stuff off shelves... still with a controller in your hand. 

    They both have their place in modern and future gaming, but AR right now is by far the superior technology, and has a good deal more applications than VR.  

    Oh, and before any more folks post that moronic, "Dur hur hur, this is what Hololens really looks like, herp derp!" animated GIF, I'd like to remind them that it's a prototype, and that years ago prototype VR headsets looked like absolute shit, as did some commercially released VR products.. many of which still look like shit. 

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Yeah, I love this new AR thing, all the news reports of people using said app to mug you or case your house is awesome!
    Still better than VR. With VR someone could steal the entire contents of your home around you while you're flailing about the living room like an idiot. 

    ...
    like sleeping?

    I have to add this to my list of reasons I have heard that I find curious.

    thanks

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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member LegendaryPosts: 3,851
    I'm certainly looking forwards to commercially available AR headsets. I'm not really sure how they'd particularly revolutionise gaming (for the same reason as VR - they don't add anything to the games) but the much lower costs means I'd probably want one for other reasons. 


    Very simple example: alternate screens whilst gaming. 

    So, lets say I'm playing an MMO and I'm on vent with my guild. I can imagine a simple app that uses AR to show me who's in my channel and who's speaking, and have that information floating to the left of my main monitor. Then, maybe to help clean up the UI in the MMO, it uses AR to move the minimap off my monitor and into mid-air so thats its floating to the right of my monitor. 

    Or, perhaps lets say I miss the outdoors. Lets have an AR app that recognises my desk, monitor, PC etc and keeps them visible, but replaces the wall behind my monitor with a jungle panoramic. 


    The big benefit AR has is it is enhancing what you already have, rather than replacing it, and is also mobile. This means it has far more possible applications to help ensure its success in comparison to VR, but also far less negatives compared to VR. 
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    edited July 2016
    I'm certainly looking forwards to commercially available AR headsets. I'm not really sure how they'd particularly revolutionise gaming (for the same reason as VR - they don't add anything to the games) but the much lower costs means I'd probably want one for other reasons. 


    Very simple example: alternate screens whilst gaming. 

    So, lets say I'm playing an MMO and I'm on vent with my guild. I can imagine a simple app that uses AR to show me who's in my channel and who's speaking, and have that information floating to the left of my main monitor. Then, maybe to help clean up the UI in the MMO, it uses AR to move the minimap off my monitor and into mid-air so thats its floating to the right of my monitor. 

    Or, perhaps lets say I miss the outdoors. Lets have an AR app that recognises my desk, monitor, PC etc and keeps them visible, but replaces the wall behind my monitor with a jungle panoramic. 


    The big benefit AR has is it is enhancing what you already have, rather than replacing it, and is also mobile. This means it has far more possible applications to help ensure its success in comparison to VR, but also far less negatives compared to VR. 
    When it comes to gaming:

    I wouldn't call it revolutionary, but I think the big thing with AR gaming is that it's going to combine physical gaming and activity with video gaming.

    Board games with AR features

    Sports with AR features

    Paintball with AR features

    It's going to sprout many new products and ideas.

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    SEANMCAD said:
    Yeah, I love this new AR thing, all the news reports of people using said app to mug you or case your house is awesome!
    Still better than VR. With VR someone could steal the entire contents of your home around you while you're flailing about the living room like an idiot. 

    ...
    like sleeping?

    I have to add this to my list of reasons I have heard that I find curious.

    thanks
    I guess... maybe if you sleep with headphones in or are an extremely heavy sleeper.



  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    VR and AR are complementary products.

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  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,794
    edited July 2016
    Why don't we come back and discuss this in three months time. I predict that PGO won't be nearly as used at that time. In other words, it is a fad that will fade pretty quickly.

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    VR and AR are complementary products.

    I don't even know if they're complementary, but they're not competing, for sure. I think it's a mistake to even consider whether or not VR can do what AR can, and I don't know why people argue it. VR is a much different, immersive experience and AR is augmenting your existing world. I think it would be a mistake for VR to try to do what AR is doing and vice versa. I think that AR games will be novel, but not the major application, and VR could do things like augmented reality, but isn't really the best solution. In the end, neither ends up excelling at what they're really good at, and become a mediocre solution. 

    Let's face facts, VR will never be everyday, all day wear, and AR will never be premier high-end gaming. So both techs need to go tho their rooms and think about what they can do. 

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    Gruug said:
    Why don't we come back and discuss this in three months time. I predict that PGO won't be nearly as used at that time. In other words, it is a fad that will fade pretty quickly.
    I think that you'll likely be right but not because people will get tired of the game necessarily, but that over time game populations tend to decrease.

    We're looking at a game that hasn't peaked yet too,  once it rolls out across the globe, we'll see crazy numbers... but that doesn't mean that those numbers will be sustainable.  NO peak numbers are sustainable, that's how you create a peak.  

    But I do see lasting appeal... I still see people playing this game a year down the line, especially if they are making so much money that the updates come at timely intervals... and thats just the thing.. this game doesn't require updates in the way traditional games do.



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    I think associating a phone app with a camera feature with 'AR' instead of 'GPS Gaming' is doing a disservice to AR.

    On another note, this weekend I got to play my Rift, it is indeed friggin amazing

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    Less than a week in the US and a simple AR app, Pokemon Go, is close to outpacing Twitter,  has made almost 2 Million dollars a day on the iOS store alone, and has people all over getting out of their house, into parks, into their neighborhoods and playing.

    This is rather encouraging to AR enthusiasts.  While Ingress has been on the market for years, it seemed that while it had a large appeal, it didn't have the same widespread appeal as the Pokemon Franchise.

    These days AR and MR are headed to the next step,  and that step is headsets.  Some AR headsets are somewhat cumbersome  (and powerful)  like Hololens and some are much less obtrusive like Google Glass and Magic Leap.  

    While we probably won't see the hardware on the market for another year or two, and likely slow sales thereafter, the AR translations between what we're playing today, (Like Pokemon Go)  have fantastic implications for what we can expect in the future if this trend holds true.

    These kinds of experiences are things that VR headsets weren't and aren't able to accomplish.  For example,  We've had google cardboard and Gear VR that uses cell phones too,  some cardboard systems are even free --  and it works with many of the same Cell Phones that people are using for Pokemon Go.

    But , there aren't any "smash hits" for Gear VR.  There aren't millions of downloads, or a breakout title.  Nintendo did in less than a week what Oculus and Samsung have been trying to do since they launched  Gear VR about a year ago. 


    We'll see.

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    AR is neat and fun, but right now we have no indication that it's just a fad. Hopefully it will stick, but we shall see.

    I prefer VR myself though. I am looking for new worlds in my games, not just my existing one with pixels super imposed on it.

    If AR sticks though in the long term, there ofc is room for both. Everyone wins.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  I mean, if we consider that we can find amazon reviews of products with 5 star ratings but only 10 people have rated it where a similar product may have a 4 star rating but 1000, it doesn't mean that 10 people are wrong.

    But it's easy to skew numbers for a system that has few reviews for games that really cater to only those with a particular hardware set.

    Early adopters are going to be quick to vote favorably for most games.  For example after a quick look there's a game called Spermination..... yup.  85% positive, with over 250 reviews...   

    I think people with the hardware right now will like just about any content they can get. 



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid
    No. The rest of my statement stands on it's own merits whether you like it or not. 



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid
    No. The rest of my statement stands on it's own merits whether you like it or not. 
    yeah so The Lab is one of the best reviewed games among ALL GAMES on Steam NOT just VR Games

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid
    No. The rest of my statement stands on it's own merits whether you like it or not. 
    yeah so The Lab is one of the best reviewed games among ALL GAMES on Steam NOT just VR Games
     It's a glorified demo.. and a free game.  If that's what VR fanboys want to use as their headlining title I'm all for it.  I'm sure valves making a killing on all those free purchases. 



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid
    No. The rest of my statement stands on it's own merits whether you like it or not. 
    yeah so The Lab is one of the best reviewed games among ALL GAMES on Steam NOT just VR Games
     It's a glorified demo.. and a free game.  If that's what VR fanboys want to use as their headlining title I'm all for it.  I'm sure valves making a killing on all those free purchases. 
    again, glorified demo or not, its one of the best reviewed games on steam for ALL games not just VR games

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    edited July 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid
    No. The rest of my statement stands on it's own merits whether you like it or not. 
    yeah so The Lab is one of the best reviewed games among ALL GAMES on Steam NOT just VR Games
     It's a glorified demo.. and a free game.  If that's what VR fanboys want to use as their headlining title I'm all for it.  I'm sure valves making a killing on all those free purchases. 
    again, glorified demo or not, its one of the best reviewed games on steam for ALL games not just VR games
    Yes, again, a free demo, for a limited audience, being touted as "the game that teaches people how to play VR"  it doesn't matter if it's highly rated, nobody is playing it and they aren't making money on it.  

    Most people that played it if you look at the reviews are for less than 4 hours of time.   Most of the reviews on the next title Portal 2.. over 13 hours....  and several thousands more of reviews.

    You're taking people that put money on a headset and giving them a decent tutorial and you think that it won't get positive reviews?  The good reviews are just a "thank you" for making something.

    Call me when they get 10K reviews.. then we can talk. 



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid
    No. The rest of my statement stands on it's own merits whether you like it or not. 
    yeah so The Lab is one of the best reviewed games among ALL GAMES on Steam NOT just VR Games
     It's a glorified demo.. and a free game.  If that's what VR fanboys want to use as their headlining title I'm all for it.  I'm sure valves making a killing on all those free purchases. 
    again, glorified demo or not, its one of the best reviewed games on steam for ALL games not just VR games
    Yes, again, a free demo, for a limited audience, being touted as "the game that teaches people how to play VR"  it doesn't matter if it's highly rated, nobody is playing it and they aren't making money on it.  

    Most people that played it if you look at the reviews are for less than 4 hours of time.   Most of the reviews on the next title Portal 2.. over 13 hours....  and several thousands more of reviews.

    You're taking people that put money on a headset and giving them a decent tutorial and you think that it won't get positive reviews?  The good reviews are just a "thank you" for making something.

    Call me when they get 10K reviews.. then we can talk. 
    none of that matters, its still one of the highest rated games in steam for ALL games not just VR games. it doesnt matter if its short, a demo or for a limited audience that all has about as much relevance to the statement as color of Britney Spears dress.

    They have voted and the vote is overwhelming positive

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
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    Valve’s Only VR Title, ‘The Lab’, is the Highest Rated Game on All of Steam

    http://www.roadtovr.com/valves-only-vr-title-the-lab-is-the-highest-rated-game-on-all-of-steam/
    So they were comparing a game with less than 1000 reviews to a game that has over 70 thousand reviews.  Pretty much a game with as many reviews as the Vive has sold units....   thats a laugh.
    yeah i saw that to and to be honest I dont know. However, 'not being the best game of all time on steam' doesnt = total failure.

    again back to the bitwise way of thinking is likely not the best approach. 

    More accurately its likely just an extremely well reviewed and well received game instead of actually being the best ever
    I'll allow that it's probably one of the better VR games.  ....
    no I think you started that off wrong.

    even if The Lab is just ONE of the highest reviewed games on Steam and not THE highest reviewed game on steam that makes it one of the better games...not just in the VR space. 

    So the rest of your statement is built on a false pillar I am afraid
    No. The rest of my statement stands on it's own merits whether you like it or not. 
    yeah so The Lab is one of the best reviewed games among ALL GAMES on Steam NOT just VR Games
     It's a glorified demo.. and a free game.  If that's what VR fanboys want to use as their headlining title I'm all for it.  I'm sure valves making a killing on all those free purchases. 
    again, glorified demo or not, its one of the best reviewed games on steam for ALL games not just VR games
    Yes, again, a free demo, for a limited audience, being touted as "the game that teaches people how to play VR"  it doesn't matter if it's highly rated, nobody is playing it and they aren't making money on it.  

    Most people that played it if you look at the reviews are for less than 4 hours of time.   Most of the reviews on the next title Portal 2.. over 13 hours....  and several thousands more of reviews.

    You're taking people that put money on a headset and giving them a decent tutorial and you think that it won't get positive reviews?  The good reviews are just a "thank you" for making something.

    Call me when they get 10K reviews.. then we can talk. 
    none of that matters, its still one of the highest rated games in steam for ALL games not just VR games. it doesnt matter if its short, a demo or for a limited audience that all has about as much relevance to the statement as color of Britney Spears dress.

    They have voted and the vote is overwhelming positive
    Call me when it reaches 10K reviews.



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