Your argument would make more sense if you had some actual links from CIG stating such. You have an idea that something changed but there isnt any links from CIG saying it has changed. Which is why you can understand why I don't believe you.
More sense?
Oh seriously wake up. For who follows the development of this game clearly knows that SM was meant to release side by side to AC.
From AC + SM >>> WHAT CHANGED? Today we have the mini-PU, that statement applied to the Modular SC's development before things were meant to merge into the Universe Release. That's where all the FPS development was to be made ON STAR MARINE.
And you want links? Open your eyes may be a better option....
The SC's Alpha is all around and that is the biggest proof of how things changed since last year when it came to the END of Modular Development. We've gone past AC+SM modules merged into PU, development is already centralized on the PU.
It's not a matter of believe me, it's a matter of taking the tainted glasses off for a bit.
This coming from someone that was on this thread stating that SC is going to release with 1 Solar System, in between other claims....
Sure means a lot! How dare I doubt it?! Now that yes is truly Hilarious!
You know what? Feel free to play your own version of Star Marine that supposedly is already released and playable, i'm going to play the real one once it releases:
Seriously if this keeps going i'm going to start making drawings, as words seem to be unable to appeal to the sense of logic and understanding that is being blinded by bias.
Your argument would make more sense if you had some actual links
His "link" is the GAME. Star Citizen Alpha 2.4.1 on "Live" server.
You can quote old obsolete quotes as much as you want - they do not reflect the game as it IS. Which means your quoting efforts are futile ;-)
Star Marine in Star Citizen Alpha 2.4.1 is an in-game simpod game (not yet activated) to train FPS without dying "for real". There is a button in the menu for that, right beside the OTHER simpod game Arena Commander.
From the way Ben is describing it. The arena shooter is just one element of the Star Marine module. When you board a ship that is Star Marine,
That is still the same point i made, this was put when Star Marine was meant to introduce the FPS aspect to the game, hear by it would be expanded from it. On today's reality this is not the case. The same way MULTI-CREW was meant to be introduced on an Arena Commander update, yet all of this moved to the Persistent Universe Development. Why? Because there is no more modular development since last year.
Today: Persistent Universe > Modules, at the time of that statement it was still Modules > Merge into PU. THIS MEANS: Things like boarding are not part of Star Marine development as things like Multi-Crew are not part of Arena Commander development. Today, both of them are PERSISTENT UNIVERSE development.
Also i'm still waiting for your reply on my question, as i shall quote: What exactly are you expecting to play once you click "Star Marine" on the game's main menu? Because far i see your posts it's certainly not a FPS arena shooter game...
What makes you think they will have a button that says Star Marine?
Because Star Marine is the name of the in-fiction infantry combat simulation just like Arena Commander is the ship combat simulation. Both are *created* by the ingame fictional software company electronic access (a tongue in cheek not to electronic arts). The main purpose of Arena Commander and Star Marine has always been as a way for players to practice in a way that wouldn't put their ingame assets at risk. It will also be used as a new player tutorial.
People are confusing Star Marine (which is the gold horizon/sataball maps and scoreboards) with the fps combat element which is where the actually gameplay is.
Well its Ben and Chris who are confused then. Because they are the ones who promote the idea that star marine and PU are the same thing.
No, they said that FPS combat is part of the PU which it is correct. Star Marine is the part that puts in teams, a scoreboard and a few maps balanced for match play. That is all that Star Marine was ever supposed to be. They were just going to use it to test FPS mechanics but Illfonic wasn't able to get it working so it was given to more seasoned crytek developers.
OK I guess I need to explain further yet again and look this is going to be really simple. Here is a quote from Ben the community manager one year ago. The game's direction hasn't changed in the past year it is just being developed the way its suppose to be. Ok Ben's statement
"Star Marine is the blood and sinew of the game, the connective tissue that plugs planetside into boarding into space combat and so on. "
He is clearly saying that when you board a ship then Star Marine is activated, When you land on a planet and start FPS combat then Star Marine is activated. So basically anything to do with FPS is Star Marine. So when they use the phrase Star Marine in any of their episodes they are talking about FPS features.
What other way is there to interpret what Ben said? Unless you just completely ignore it.
You can't activate or de-activate the FPS part of the game, It's always there and active. I agree that Ben used Star Marine in a confusing manner when what he really meant was the FPS gameplay. If english is not your first language it would be easy to misinterpret.
Star Marine again is just a couple of maps and a scoreboard. You can have the FPS combat elements in the game without Star Marine but the opposite is not possible.
The video looked very good. I was really impressed. They seem very professional. Whats up with the first guys Hair?
That's what happens when you don't have makeup people to check you before you get in front of the camera.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
The "test" for the stuff described in the magazine is whether it will be delivered. Given the past history however I would be very, very surprised if RSI were not 100% certain that it will drop. They may have other stuff planned that doesn't but, I think, this will. And then people can comment in earnest.
And again we have a shitstorm of confusion because CIG says one thing then does something entirely different. No wonder this game has so much scepticism. Game was suppose to cost 20 million to develop and publish and somehow they made the decision to go over 80 million and take a few extra years without giving any links or proof that the decision was ever changed. Then they say that Star marine and FPS is the same thing. So everyone decides to make that different yet again then what they said. Keep drinking the koolaid. Because I have not for the life of me figured out why CIG keeps saying one thing then doing something else. Someone is lying and making stuff up.
From the way Ben is describing it. The arena shooter is just one element of the Star Marine module. When you board a ship that is Star Marine,
That is still the same point i made, this was put when Star Marine was meant to introduce the FPS aspect to the game, hear by it would be expanded from it. On today's reality this is not the case. The same way MULTI-CREW was meant to be introduced on an Arena Commander update, yet all of this moved to the Persistent Universe Development. Why? Because there is no more modular development since last year.
Today: Persistent Universe > Modules, at the time of that statement it was still Modules > Merge into PU. THIS MEANS: Things like boarding are not part of Star Marine development as things like Multi-Crew are not part of Arena Commander development. Today, both of them are PERSISTENT UNIVERSE development.
Also i'm still waiting for your reply on my question, as i shall quote: What exactly are you expecting to play once you click "Star Marine" on the game's main menu? Because far i see your posts it's certainly not a FPS arena shooter game...
What makes you think they will have a button that says Star Marine?
Because Star Marine is the name of the in-fiction infantry combat simulation just like Arena Commander is the ship combat simulation. Both are *created* by the ingame fictional software company electronic access (a tongue in cheek not to electronic arts). The main purpose of Arena Commander and Star Marine has always been as a way for players to practice in a way that wouldn't put their ingame assets at risk. It will also be used as a new player tutorial.
People are confusing Star Marine (which is the gold horizon/sataball maps and scoreboards) with the fps combat element which is where the actually gameplay is.
Well its Ben and Chris who are confused then. Because they are the ones who promote the idea that star marine and PU are the same thing.
No, they said that FPS combat is part of the PU which it is correct. Star Marine is the part that puts in teams, a scoreboard and a few maps balanced for match play. That is all that Star Marine was ever supposed to be. They were just going to use it to test FPS mechanics but Illfonic wasn't able to get it working so it was given to more seasoned crytek developers.
OK I guess I need to explain further yet again and look this is going to be really simple. Here is a quote from Ben the community manager one year ago. The game's direction hasn't changed in the past year it is just being developed the way its suppose to be. Ok Ben's statement
"Star Marine is the blood and sinew of the game, the connective tissue that plugs planetside into boarding into space combat and so on. "
He is clearly saying that when you board a ship then Star Marine is activated, When you land on a planet and start FPS combat then Star Marine is activated. So basically anything to do with FPS is Star Marine. So when they use the phrase Star Marine in any of their episodes they are talking about FPS features.
What other way is there to interpret what Ben said? Unless you just completely ignore it.
You can't activate or de-activate the FPS part of the game, It's always there and active. I agree that Ben used Star Marine in a confusing manner when what he really meant was the FPS gameplay. If english is not your first language it would be easy to misinterpret.
Star Marine again is just a couple of maps and a scoreboard. You can have the FPS combat elements in the game without Star Marine but the opposite is not possible.
There's nothing confusing it clearly says that Star Marine is what connects boarding, and planetside fps combat. How is that confusing? Unless Ben made a mistake and well we all know CIG never makes mistakes.
And again we have a shitstorm of confusion because CIG says one thing then does something entirely different. No wonder this game has so much scepticism. Game was suppose to cost 20 million to develop and publish and somehow they made the decision to go over 80 million and take a few extra years without giving any links or proof that the decision was ever changed. Then they say that Star marine and FPS is the same thing. So everyone decides to make that different yet again then what they said. Keep drinking the koolaid. Because I have not for the life of me figured out why CIG keeps saying one thing then doing something else. Someone is lying and making stuff up.
Roberts is easily distracted by the newest shiny thing. He micromanages without any sense of scale. He quickly believes his own lies.
With all those issues at the top, it's no wonder they need all that money to get anything done.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
There's nothing confusing it clearly says that Star Marine is what connects boarding, and planetside fps combat. How is that confusing? Unless Ben made a mistake and well we all know CIG never makes mistakes.
Would you like a drawing that explains that such claim was made when Star Marine was meant to introduce and develop the FPS elements of this game BEFORE the Universe release and the reality is that the FPS development moved away from SM?!
In fact, Star Marine could be cancelled today and the FPS on the PU wouldn't be removed. In fact, Star Marine is indefinitely delayed yet the FPS development on the PU is NOT.
Nah, someone is just people like you feeding a storm of confusion and mis-information.
It's a matter of using logic and understanding, and live on reality over what someone said 1 year ago, because that is not applying to the current reality of SC's development.
Reality: FPS Development is no longer tied to SM neither done on or from it after last year they dropped the modules and merged all into the PU release we currently play.
Need Proof and Links? Play the PU release, the FPS is there. Check the updates done on it, the FPS is developed there independent of any Star Marines.
Ok I finally figured it out. Sorry for all the confusion but here's what happened. CIG cancelled Star Marine and everyone flipped out and started crying about it. So they responded by saying that Star Marine and the FPS in the PU are the same thing. This was their attempt to cover it up so everyone would stop crying about Star Marine. Because this didn't work they finally decided to bring Star Marine back. Notice how effed up this entire company is.
They say Star Marine postponed Indefinitely. That word Indefinitely means forever. But not when CIG says it. It actually means something else. And I'm the one being unresonable here. Why? Because I expect the definition of normal words to mean what they mean. You say something is postponed indefinitely then well thats what it means. Next week they are going to sell the official CIG dictionary. Which will help you understand their language which was created during the development of this game.
Ok I finally figured it out. Sorry for all the confusion but here's what happened. CIG cancelled Star Marine and everyone flipped out and started crying about it. So they responded by saying that Star Marine and the FPS in the PU are the same thing. This was their attempt to cover it up so everyone would stop crying about Star Marine. Because this didn't work they finally decided to bring Star Marine back. Notice how effed up this entire company is.
They say Star Marine postponed Indefinitely. That word Indefinitely means forever. But not when CIG says it. It actually means something else. And I'm the one being unresonable here. Why? Because I expect the definition of normal words to mean what they mean. You say something is postponed indefinitely then well thats what it means. Next week they are going to sell the official CIG dictionary. Which will help you understand their language which was created during the development of this game.
Ok so you're just trolling then, no need to keep trying to explain something the vast majority of people realized through common sense.
All these pages of discussion, now tell me exactly what was accomplished? Never mind, keep going...
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
They say Star Marine postponed Indefinitely. That word Indefinitely means forever. ...
No, that word "indefinitely" does NOT mean forever.
The word you're thinking of is "cancelled". THAT word means forever.
When you postpone something indefinitely, it means there will be a delay of unknown duration. Language has many subtleties, but mastering them is the key to understanding what you're reading...
Hmmm, that totally depends on context and intent. It's like when businesses say "we are reorganising our workforce" and it means layoffs, not reorganising. Delayed indefinitely can easily mean "for all intents and purposes this thing has been shuttered but we're not willing to actually say that for a variety of reasons."
Language has many subtleties, but mastering them is the key to understanding what you're reading...
They say Star Marine postponed Indefinitely. That word Indefinitely means forever. But not when CIG says it. It actually means something else.
Indefinitely does not mean forever, it means for an unspecified time.
The unspecified time may be forever, or it might be until an investor is found to finance the project more, or it might mean that there's some problem that prevents from giving any good estimates until the problem is solved.
In this case "indefinitely" means Star Citizen Alpha 2.6. Which will be pushed on the servers around September 2016. (Source: Recent PCGames, AtV and RtV).
In this case "indefinitely" means Star Citizen Alpha 2.6. Which will be pushed on the servers around September 2016. (Source: Recent PCGames, AtV and RtV).
Have fun
It would be nice if they meant September if they would say September.
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Oh seriously wake up. For who follows the development of this game clearly knows that SM was meant to release side by side to AC.
From AC + SM >>> WHAT CHANGED? Today we have the mini-PU, that statement applied to the Modular SC's development before things were meant to merge into the Universe Release. That's where all the FPS development was to be made ON STAR MARINE.
And you want links? Open your eyes may be a better option....
The SC's Alpha is all around and that is the biggest proof of how things changed since last year when it came to the END of Modular Development. We've gone past AC+SM modules merged into PU, development is already centralized on the PU.It's not a matter of believe me, it's a matter of taking the tainted glasses off for a bit.
Sure means a lot! How dare I doubt it?!
Now that yes is truly Hilarious!
You know what? Feel free to play your own version of Star Marine that supposedly is already released and playable, i'm going to play the real one once it releases:
Seriously if this keeps going i'm going to start making drawings, as words seem to be unable to appeal to the sense of logic and understanding that is being blinded by bias.
You can quote old obsolete quotes as much as you want - they do not reflect the game as it IS. Which means your quoting efforts are futile ;-)
Star Marine in Star Citizen Alpha 2.4.1 is an in-game simpod game (not yet activated) to train FPS without dying "for real". There is a button in the menu for that, right beside the OTHER simpod game Arena Commander.
Have fun
Star Marine again is just a couple of maps and a scoreboard. You can have the FPS combat elements in the game without Star Marine but the opposite is not possible.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
The "test" for the stuff described in the magazine is whether it will be delivered. Given the past history however I would be very, very surprised if RSI were not 100% certain that it will drop. They may have other stuff planned that doesn't but, I think, this will. And then people can comment in earnest.
Like so many of the Star Citizen promises and pronouncements.
Who knows what they'll decide next week....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Roberts is easily distracted by the newest shiny thing. He micromanages without any sense of scale. He quickly believes his own lies.
With all those issues at the top, it's no wonder they need all that money to get anything done.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
In fact, Star Marine could be cancelled today and the FPS on the PU wouldn't be removed.
In fact, Star Marine is indefinitely delayed yet the FPS development on the PU is NOT.
It's a matter of using logic and understanding, and live on reality over what someone said 1 year ago, because that is not applying to the current reality of SC's development.
Reality: FPS Development is no longer tied to SM neither done on or from it after last year they dropped the modules and merged all into the PU release we currently play.
Need Proof and Links? Play the PU release, the FPS is there. Check the updates done on it, the FPS is developed there independent of any Star Marines.
They say Star Marine postponed Indefinitely. That word Indefinitely means forever. But not when CIG says it. It actually means something else. And I'm the one being unresonable here. Why? Because I expect the definition of normal words to mean what they mean. You say something is postponed indefinitely then well thats what it means. Next week they are going to sell the official CIG dictionary. Which will help you understand their language which was created during the development of this game.
But thats okay. As long as you ...
Have fun
Never mind, keep going...
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
The word you're thinking of is "cancelled". THAT word means forever.
When you postpone something indefinitely, it means there will be a delay of unknown duration. Language has many subtleties, but mastering them is the key to understanding what you're reading...
Delayed indefinitely can easily mean "for all intents and purposes this thing has been shuttered but we're not willing to actually say that for a variety of reasons."
Language has many subtleties, but mastering them is the key to understanding what you're reading...
The unspecified time may be forever, or it might be until an investor is found to finance the project more, or it might mean that there's some problem that prevents from giving any good estimates until the problem is solved.
Have fun
Have fun