Isn't the chance for a game that could be truly, truly special enough? I mean, people are talking about promises and guarentees dealing with the world of pioneering game development. It's amazing that otherwise informed people are this dense, truly.
I think you will find that most of the informed people who speak critical of SC are also backers. They also understand that should the game be released as promised, it would mean something important for the space genre. I presume it's easier to just pretend you're the smart one though and call everyone who doesn't agree with you "dense"
No, Chris Roberts is not promising everything he's talking about. He's promising that he'll do everything he can to come as close to that vision as is humanly possible for his team. No one could do more - no matter if you think of the dream as a promise or not.
So basically he can say whatever he wants about what the game might include, sell it for millions of dollars, mismanage the fuck out of it, deliver an MVP and can't be held responsible for what he's promised or said ?
Sounds like his dream project indeed.
I'm not talking about critical people - I'm critical myself. I'm talking about detractors. As in, those people who're the opposite of supporters.
I'm not sure what's particularly easy about recognising how dense you'd have to be to believe everything Chris Roberts dreams about for the game will happen. But ok, it's not hard.
I'm not the arbiter of justice. If you think he shouldn't be allowed to talk about his dream in public - for a game that's obligated to have a very public development process - and that he's obligated to put everything he's ever mentioned as a desired feature in the game - just like you imagined it in a timely fashion - that's your position.
My position is different, but it's nothing by my position.
How does CIG sculpting their development according to ship sales NOT affect you as a buyer? Don't you think that if they got their income through some other means, we would all have access to all available ships in alpha or at least have a form to earn them?
Of course it affects you, you're just ok with it
It does NOT affect me the money others spend on the game over the money I SPENT on the game. I don't care about the ships, i care about the one i bought, that i CAN fly. There's people who buy them on concept and there's people who buy them after they're added in the game. Also to point you are already derailed this discussion to speculative points of having them in-game or not that wasn't the point of the discussion. --'
It does not affect me, stop enforcing your opinion and view as some fact towards me and be free to feel affected while i won't.
How did I force my opinion on you? I never said you should think how I think, just mentioned my opinion. You can feel free to think anything you want, but the reality is that if the development of the game is affected then you're also affected as a player of that game.
Your reply to me is also a derail of the topic as are others of your posts. Please stop pointing at me when you're doing the same thing.
How did I force my opinion on you? I never said you should think how I think, just mentioned my opinion. You can feel free to think anything you want, but the reality is that if the development of the game is affected then you're also affected as a player of that game.
Your reply to me is also a derail of the topic as are others of your posts. Please stop pointing at me when you're doing the same thing.
"Just mentioned my opinion" followed up by "you can feel free ... but the reality is", so it's not one opinion!
I'm sorry this nitpicking on the discussion hits on the side of the post i made, its intention and meaning witch when i mentioned derail on the last post wasn't derail of the thread's topic that was already derailed, it was the derail of the derail.
So, instead of the derail of derail ends up with the train on Space making CIG have an idea for a new Concept Sale.... why not some cake?
How did I force my opinion on you? I never said you should think how I think, just mentioned my opinion. You can feel free to think anything you want, but the reality is that if the development of the game is affected then you're also affected as a player of that game.
Your reply to me is also a derail of the topic as are others of your posts. Please stop pointing at me when you're doing the same thing.
"Just mentioned my opinion" followed up by "you can feel free ... but the reality is", so it's not one opinion!
So wait, you're trying to prove that I'm forcing my opinion on you by forcing your opinion on me? This is horrible!
I'm sorry this nitpicking on the discussion hits on the side of the post i made, its intention and meaning witch when i mentioned derail on the last post wasn't derail of the thread's topic that was already derailed, it was the derail of the derail.
Oh ok, this nitpicking is upsetting you so you're nitpicking it and adding the word "derail" at random intervals. Makes sense.
So, instead of the derail of derail ends up with the train on Space making CIG have an idea for a new Concept Sale.... why not some cake?
I think you need to refactor your sentence there mate.
That's good to know, looking forward to seeing what they show.
If they are playing the PG card at Gamescon, then leaves Citizencon with a big expectation on SQ42, that is quite what i already expected seeing how this stuff is developing.
I hope they have rows of computers setup so fans can sit and play like all other developers do. That will show us if there is a real game out there that is finally getting to release.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
I hope they have rows of computers setup so fans can sit and play like all other developers do. That will show us if there is a real game out there that is finally getting to release.
They will let Chris sit down and use the Flight Controller that looks like steering wheel and jet throttle. He will try to get in the game and the controlls wont work. Then they will spend 20 minutes trying to figure out the controller isn't plugged into the usb port. Meanwhile Chris will be talking about things to fill in the time. And the dude with the Money hat will be there to make us feel better because he has a happy face.
Or it could go smoothly and we will see an awesome planetary landing from a space station and moving around the planet.
Well if they are having a Booth this time instead of the normal stage presentation... Why not.
Hey they could plug in demo matches on Star Marine!
>>> And it's not really any crazy idea, PC Games on this article mentions they played Star Marine. Hm, oh wait Star Marine was cancelled i forgot, darn.
The quote from the PC Games article regarding Star Marine was
It is specially designed for multiplayer shooter sessions, with
separate levels. "We have invested very much time into the
FPS-mechanics, which will be very noticeable if compared to the actual
rudimentary systems in 2.4", says Roberts. The developer show us a
corresponding gameplay segment.
Does that mean they watched others play it, or they watched a pre-recorded demo, or something else entirely? Who knows? But it doesn't sound like they got actual hands-on time with Star Marine.
Oh yes shown gameplay of it*. Also whyte not finish the quoted sentence because it doesn't end on a ".", yet on a ",":
The developer show us a corresponding gameplay segment, which leaves an excellent impression: Animation, controls and weapon feeling were thoroughly overhauled, so that for a shooter player it really feels good. The result: Seamless movements and clean gunplay – keep it up!
If they are playing or planning to release Star Marines in some form, it pretty much tells me that they couldn't get it working before, and tried to save face by claiming it was 'rolled into the final game', or whatever malarkey they came up with.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Oh yes shown gameplay of it*. Also whyte not finish the quoted sentence because it doesn't end on a ".", yet on a ",":
The developer show us a corresponding gameplay segment, which leaves an excellent impression: Animation, controls and weapon feeling were thoroughly overhauled, so that for a shooter player it really feels good. The result: Seamless movements and clean gunplay – keep it up!
Because their personal opinions about how it looks is not relevant to whether they played it or not. I thought that would be obvious..
- They wanted to overhaul parts of the FPS part of the game that weren't finished neither feeling good before actually launching Star Marine to avoid one under-whelming FPS experience.
Oh yes shown gameplay of it*. Also whyte not finish the quoted sentence because it doesn't end on a ".", yet on a ",":
The developer show us a corresponding gameplay segment, which leaves an excellent impression: Animation, controls and weapon feeling were thoroughly overhauled, so that for a shooter player it really feels good. The result: Seamless movements and clean gunplay – keep it up!
Because their personal opinions about how it looks is not relevant to whether they played it or not. I thought that would be obvious..
Hmmm i wonder if you would put the full quote, if their personal opinions about what they saw weren't positive.
- They wanted to overhaul parts of the FPS part of the game that weren't finished neither feeling good before actually launching Star Marine to avoid one under-whelming FPS experience.
Because they're famous for doing that right? I mean AC was amazing when it first launched and 2.0 wasn't crashing every few minutes and had practically no bugs.
Because they're famous for doing that right? I mean AC was amazing when it first launched and 2.0 wasn't crashing every few minutes and had practically no bugs.
Yes exactly they are famous for doing that. Deciding to keep pushing towards what they want to do even if it means rewrites and more refactoring of code to make things live up to what they need to be.
Also we certainly have not played the same AC when it first released. It took months of waiting back then to get bug-fix patches to it.
Because they're famous for doing that right? I mean AC was amazing when it first launched and 2.0 wasn't crashing every few minutes and had practically no bugs.
Yes exactly they are famous for doing that. Deciding to keep pushing towards what they want to do even if it means rewrites and more refactoring of code to make things live up to what they need to be.
You're talking about something completely different?
Also we certainly have not played the same AC when it first released. It took months of waiting back then to get bug-fix patches to it.
I hope they have rows of computers setup so fans can sit and play like all other developers do. That will show us if there is a real game out there that is finally getting to release.
To my knowledge that will be the case.
The GamesCom 2016 CIG booth is supposed to look like the bridge of an Idris. With the bridge stations featuring computers for playing the game. And the main screen for showing trailers and videos etc.
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I'm not sure what's particularly easy about recognising how dense you'd have to be to believe everything Chris Roberts dreams about for the game will happen. But ok, it's not hard.
I'm not the arbiter of justice. If you think he shouldn't be allowed to talk about his dream in public - for a game that's obligated to have a very public development process - and that he's obligated to put everything he's ever mentioned as a desired feature in the game - just like you imagined it in a timely fashion - that's your position.
My position is different, but it's nothing by my position.
"take a loot ahead at the Procedural Planets system slated to come online in Star Citizen Alpha 2.7."
So PG will be shown at Gamescon is now confirmed.
That's good to know, looking forward to seeing what they show.
I never said you should think how I think, just mentioned my opinion.
You can feel free to think anything you want, but the reality is that if the development of the game is affected then you're also affected as a player of that game.
Your reply to me is also a derail of the topic as are others of your posts.
Please stop pointing at me when you're doing the same thing.
..Cake..
I'm sorry this nitpicking on the discussion hits on the side of the post i made, its intention and meaning witch when i mentioned derail on the last post wasn't derail of the thread's topic that was already derailed, it was the derail of the derail.
So, instead of the derail of derail ends up with the train on Space making CIG have an idea for a new Concept Sale.... why not some cake?
..Cake..
If they are playing the PG card at Gamescon, then leaves Citizencon with a big expectation on SQ42, that is quite what i already expected seeing how this stuff is developing.
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Or it could go smoothly and we will see an awesome planetary landing from a space station and moving around the planet.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Hey they could plug in demo matches on Star Marine!
>>> And it's not really any crazy idea, PC Games on this article mentions they played Star Marine.
Hm, oh wait Star Marine was cancelled i forgot, darn.
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6840250/#Comment_6840250
Does that mean they watched others play it, or they watched a pre-recorded demo, or something else entirely? Who knows? But it doesn't sound like they got actual hands-on time with Star Marine.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I mean I could be wrong, it's not like the article was a blatant puff piece
..Cake..
Because their personal opinions about how it looks is not relevant to whether they played it or not. I thought that would be obvious..
- They wanted to overhaul parts of the FPS part of the game that weren't finished neither feeling good before actually launching Star Marine to avoid one under-whelming FPS experience.
Just wondering...
I mean AC was amazing when it first launched and 2.0 wasn't crashing every few minutes and had practically no bugs.
..Cake..
Why not ask yourself that question?
Can we stay on topic rather than derail the thread.
Also we certainly have not played the same AC when it first released.
It took months of waiting back then to get bug-fix patches to it.
..Cake..
Second, also no. I had around the same longevity of play-sessions on 0.8 as 2.0, due different reasons ofc.
The GamesCom 2016 CIG booth is supposed to look like the bridge of an Idris. With the bridge stations featuring computers for playing the game. And the main screen for showing trailers and videos etc.
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