Up until now if I wasnt sure that Id like a game (true for most games) Id download it and play it for a while for free. If I liked it, Id buy, if I didnt it would get deleted and that would be that. With DRM the game wont even get a chance from me.
Aah the always popular piracy is advertising argument. Sorry it is still piracy, if the copyright wants to offer a free trial they will, you deciding to make your own free copy is not fair use.
Just because they offer one doesn't mean it's fully featured that's the main problem. I do this as well, mainly with indie titles that I have no idea if they are going to be in my liking or not. I do buy literally any game that I enjoy though. Doesn't mean it isn't piracy though, I know it is, just don't do it that often. Plus I'm pretty sure I've boughten 100% of the games I've ever done that with. Seeing as my steam is now up to 600 games.
Up until now if I wasnt sure that Id like a game (true for most games) Id download it and play it for a while for free. If I liked it, Id buy, if I didnt it would get deleted and that would be that. With DRM the game wont even get a chance from me.
Aah the always popular piracy is advertising argument. Sorry it is still piracy, if the copyright wants to offer a free trial they will, you deciding to make your own free copy is not fair use.
Ofc its piracy. However, its also how I personally decide if I buy a game or not. Where I live the average wage is about a quarter of what it is in US or Germany, yet the prices of games are pretty much on par with those countries. Theres no way in hell Ill spend that kind of money on a game without trying it first unless its a game Ive already been waiting for and Im sure Ill enjoy. So the publisher of a game Im on the fence about can either _potentially_ get my money or _surely not_ get my money.
pirates dont have to deal with DRM at all...is the players that pay the ones that have to "endure" the DRM ...pirating a game is just avoiding the DRM
some DRM suck so bad that makes the game unplayable , or makes u jump hoops in order to being able to play , i payed the game and still have to be frustrated? WHY?
i decided to not buy some games because drm....
However im more than happy go buy from GoG/ Steam /ect
I encountered several games that wouldn't recognize the official CD/DVD in one computer. Maybe it was more of a drive issue, as it worked in the other computer, but i'm not going to buy a new drive that has been working perfectly fine for the last few years only because one game uses some obscure mechanic that is not supported.
There is also the issue with the DRM of older software no longer working correctly and simply denying everything. 64bit not supported by the DRM (but by the actual software)? Well, better buy a new version. New Windows not supported by DRM (but by the actual software)? Better buy a new version.
Yeah, so i looked around for a solution, and surprise, in those cases i got rid of the DRM, the software was working fine.
One time, i really wanted a game It was a sequel to a really popular AAA game by a major company, and it was selling like hot cakes elswhere. But the shops i was looking, it was not simply sold out, they never had a copy to start with. And that for two weeks.
So yeah, i could have waiting longer, it wasn't the end of the world. But when both the publisher and the shops tell me in no uncertain terms that they don't want my money..
Of course, this was around 2000 or so, but even today that can happen, with servers being down and such.
Or think about movies, where if you buy a copy you have to watch half an hour of ads and copyright notices, whereas the pirated version is just the movie itself.
Another thing is with companies pirating themselves. Be it assets from another game, or the software they use at work. Just look at NMS. Somehow, it was no big issue, and everybody was talking about whether you can even copyright/patent mathematics.
Next up, League of Angels. The company behind it has 1000 employees, and the shares the founder owns are worth $2.2 bn. And everybody thinks it's funny when they steal art etc., instead of being outraged.
And while the Chinese are known to have a rather interesting point of view with such things, it's not like it wouldn't happen in western companies too. Or companies stealing the works of private person. Usually you do not hear about it, it's rarely mentioned when talking about pirating, and even in court etc. it's usually settled with a slap on the wrist.
But when a private person does it, it's worse than murder and can decide the fate of a AAA company that existed for decades. Even if they have record earnings and exceed the expecations of both the company itself and their shareholders/the market as such, a single pirated copy is enough to question the whole business model..
So yeah, even if you bought it afterwards, pirating is pirating, but pirating in itself is not just black and white.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
Here is the thing, i only wanted to play it when my internet was out. It is not like i am even keeping my Origin client updated. Once i want to play a game that i paid for and also installed on my system i can't because bloody thing needs to be authenticated online to be played offline!!!
All this talk about DRM protecting game companies and such, witcher 3 has no drm yet it still made outrageous profit.
Funnily enough this was a game recently added to GOG's catalogue, something I was very surprised to see. It's prime examples like yours where DRM works for the company at the expense of the customer.
Here is the thing, i only wanted to play it when my internet was out. It is not like i am even keeping my Origin client updated. Once i want to play a game that i paid for and also installed on my system i can't because bloody thing needs to be authenticated online to be played offline!!!
All this talk about DRM protecting game companies and such, witcher 3 has no drm yet it still made outrageous profit.
Funnily enough this was a game recently added to GOG's catalogue, something I was very surprised to see. It's prime examples like yours where DRM works for the company at the expense of the customer.
Never forget the infamous GFWL, i seem to remember there were games where you could be happily playing a game, only to have it suddenly stop working because GFWL was down, which happened a lot. Most of the time the only real way to fix this was to go online and find a 'fix' that bypassed it, but its not the only culprit, how many games are out there, that if not for people 'pirating' the software, would find themselves with a product that either doesn't work, or is unreliable in some way. Frankly i think we're lucky that there are people out there that are willing to 'fix' these games for us, because often its the only recourse for legitimate customers short of trying to get a refund.
Funnily enough this was a game recently added to GOG's catalogue, something I was very surprised to see. It's prime examples like yours where DRM works for the company at the expense of the customer.
Not to mention it was an awesome deal at launch, with every DLC, at around 10 bucks. Without the DRM of course.
Never forget the infamous GFWL, i seem to remember there were games where you could be happily playing a game, only to have it suddenly stop working because GFWL was down, which happened a lot.
For me GTA IV was the worst (it had even Rockstar Social above GWFL). Had issues before that too with idiot DRMs, but that was the camel-breaking straw. Stupid me bought the big box... and for a start it was like a cheapo xbox port (for which they needed 5-6 months to fix with updates), and also had frequent connection issues. Then I saw at a buddy how it should work in a normal world: double click on the icon, and lo, behold... the game started right away. No hassle, no issues, and not to mention for "free".
Hence it's a dumb title. Angry pirates... right They have the smoothest experience among the playerbase... DRM won't hinder, neither stop pirating, and that's not even its purpose. DRM is for the publishers, to put a leash on the customers. That's why DRM-free is working and successful.
Nope, my friend. There are plenty of games working with Denuvo with no crack or bypass tech yet.
Also, correction on DOOM, it has a bypass, not a crack.
Denuvo, as it seems, is a pretty solid safety measure. I hope it gets improved more and more.
Ah was waiting for someone to say this.
What do people mean by crack? The most obvious thing is they can play a game that was downloaded for free with no problems. Now if the code is actually cracked or the "crack" involves a "work around" or "bypass" the end result for gamer is the same.
So while technically you can say denuvo isn't cracked it doesn't matter as the DRM isn't working. Thus games like Rise of the tomb raider, Doom 2016 Just cause 3 etc are all playable.
ALL DRM is just code and eventually they all get broken.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Nope, my friend. There are plenty of games working with Denuvo with no crack or bypass tech yet.
Also, correction on DOOM, it has a bypass, not a crack.
Denuvo, as it seems, is a pretty solid safety measure. I hope it gets improved more and more.
Ah was waiting for someone to say this.
What do people mean by crack? The most obvious thing is they can play a game that was downloaded for free with no problems. Now if the code is actually cracked or the "crack" involves a "work around" the end result for gamer is the same.
So while technically you can say denuvo isn't cracked it doesn't matter as the DRM isn't working. Thus games like Rise of the tomb raider, Doom 2016 Just cause 3 etc are all playable.
As to Denuvo security measures:
cracked Means the game is cracked not needing any kind of third party connection.
bypass You'll need to connect to Steam, Origin, whatever DRM store tech it runs on (with risk of losing your account and the risk of updates breaking the bypass).
Denuvo isn't cracked because they are working in each game, not on the entire security platform, get it? They bypass one game and that's it. It doesn't means Denuvo is also not working on something else.
I understand what your saying but what I am saying is it doesn't matter if it's a bypass rather than a pure crack.
Denuvo doesn't work if all you need is a fake account and then to run steam in offline mode, by doesn't work I mean it's not fulfilling it's function.
Bypasses tend to be a first step in cracks btw. Oh and it's not just one game either.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
All of the Denuvo protected titles popping up over the last few days have been bypassed by using the steam client until a permanent solution can be found. I won't provide any details, but it certainly isn't cracked yet, that is a fact.
EDIT: I didn't realize this had been covered til I had already posted, my bad.
Well, they are right about the DRM. However... I have steam. I can download my games as many times as I want for my account but only my account. I have no problem with this. There are ways to do DRM that aren't so invasive.
As to the issue of piracy... as long as they keep charging insane prices so they can make billions off the games, piracy will continue. It continues so long as it is profitable to do so. I very seriously doubt that the entire Witcher 3 game including all expansions is worth the over $100 that it costs to buy it. The Sims 4 was $70 for a game that wasn't even complete and had glaring omissions compared to previous versions. To think that these games would not be pirated is the height of foolishness. Personally I was so angry over the cost of the Sims 4 that I demanded my money back and rebought later when it was on sale for $30 on a gaming site. It definitely wasn't worth the amount they demanded. I did not, however, pirate the game.
That being said, Sims 3 saw massive levels of pirating as well so much so there were articles about it on the net because the socalled expansions were a joke and simply robbed people of their money. At least the sims 4 didn't charge for every download.
The game companies don't realize that they are putting themselves out of business. Same with microsoft. People are getting tired of the crap.
I don't feel all DRM effects people as badly as some of these complaint threads state.
Actually it's the reverse, most people complaining don't understand how bad the DRM installed on their computer really is. They are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
Have you ever thought about the people at Microsoft and Apple who have to work extra hours writing OS updates to patch the holes caused by legitimate companies putting back doors and rootkits onto their user's systems?
Everything has backdoors and holes. If you live your life worried about it then much less sleep and more gray hair. Let someone else worry about it.
I don't think it's fair to say that at all. At best, DRM is tied to a platform that used to offer sweet sales but doesn't anymore. At worst, it does things like allow you to install a game you purchased on a limited number of devices and then it's as if you don't own the game anymore if you want it on a new computer. In between it's either another application running or another hoop to jump through in logging in someplace to boot a game.
DRM is never going to be good for us, because it isn't for us. DRM is not for consumers, it's for publishers and developers. I'm really anti-piracy for games unless people are honest about it and flat out say they don't want to pay for stuff but I'm also anti-drm. I don't like it. I don't want to deal with it, knock it off.
edit-No, wait. At worst DRM means you cannot play your copy of Dark Souls online OR save offline because it needed GFWL verification and the email address tied to your xbox live account was completely and utterly gone after it started spamming your aunts about penis-enlargement pills (my bad) and of course that meant you couldn't even log into the live account because that makes sense and you couldn't change the email for it either and also steam wouldn't sell you another copy of the game for 5 bucks during one of their sales when they were good because you already owned a copy you couldn't use. That's the worst.
I guess a lot of people view Steam as a form of DRM though. You lose access to your account for whatever reason and you lose all access to your games, even the ones already on your HDD. Unlike GOG where you still get to play your downloaded games unrestricted.
So, there is bad DRM that only hurts the guy that doesn't pirate. This is the vast majority of DRM and developers are literally stupid for using it. Pirates actually get a better experience with the game in general.
Then there are games that are dependent on communicating with a server (all MMOs, Diablo 3, a good many others) that are very difficult to hack. Usually, an emulation of a server needs to be created to enjoy the pirated game at all, and even then it's a hugely subpar experience compared to paying for the game.
There is one semi-effective form of DRM right now and that is Denuvo. It is currently the most difficult for hackers to get around, but people are beginning to find ways around it.
The first type of DRM is just silly and costs extra resources for no reason. It needs to die. When you look at games (like Witcher 3) that forego this basic, easily circumvented style DRM, they still sell extremely well anyway. It's also difficult to link piracy to lost sales anyway. It assumes that pirates would have bought the game if they were not pirating it. Obviously this can't be assumed.
And I gotta love the fairy tale of the FBI lifting a video game
platform ban for some guy who just joined this forum out of nowhere.
Next time I get a forum warning on any gaming site, I'm going to call
Fox Mulder, thanks for the tip. And thanks for the laugh. But no, you
won't get a lol.
I normally don't reply to obvious Steam user trolls but I usually
never let what I post get skewed or changed or butchered by an
uneducated Steam user who cannot stop causing problems everywhere they
go
So to UN-butcher what did to my reply I'll just say this:
Nowhere in my reply does it say the FBI did anything, and nor does it say I got them to do anything either.
If
you had any actual comprehension as you are telling someone else to get and or weren't an uneducated trouble
making Steam user, you would have understood that what I actually said
was that the IP ban was lifted after I contacted them is all.
Coincidence or not doesn't matter, the fact is it was removed shortly after I contacted them.
Now as for reading, How you
just decided to take it upon yourself to somehow read that the FBI even did anything, or I got them to do anything is
mind numbing considering that insinuation is not even there until you forced it into there..but then again you are a Steam user, and that's what all Steam users do on every forum you can find, you constantly look for things to twist out of context and add things to people's
post anyway you can, to spark debates and problems, so you can then post up a long reply about justifying your
stupidity causing an even further mess.
I don't feel all DRM effects people as badly as some of these complaint threads state.
Actually it's the reverse, most people complaining don't understand how bad the DRM installed on their computer really is. They are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
Have you ever thought about the people at Microsoft and Apple who have to work extra hours writing OS updates to patch the holes caused by legitimate companies putting back doors and rootkits onto their user's systems?
Everything has backdoors and holes. If you live your life worried about it then much less sleep and more gray hair. Let someone else worry about it.
Everything has backdoors? Sure whatever you say.
Have you ever thought about the people at Microsoft who have to work extra hours just to make sure Microsoft Office isn't vulnerable? How many security patches have they done for that one program? A couple hundred.
This topic is outright ridiculous. On one side there is the Brown nosing Steam users who think Steam is the only thing in existence, and will defend the usage of Steam DRM until the cows come home.
On another side you have the people who use piracy to test games out before buying them to make sure the game isn't garbage (Which seems to be the trend for the past 10 years.
Then you have the people like me who will always pirate a game if it's something we want to play, but the developer has only decided to use Valve's abusive Steam service and attach it to their game so we just don't support that developer for that game. (This is why all my AAA titles such as Assassin's Creed IV, Watch Dogs, GTA V are through their own service) _____________________________
But the group of people that I absolutely love are the idiots that complain about UPLAY and RSSC being so bad, and then go buy a RSSC or UPLAY game through Steam.
These clowns somehow fail to understand, that the only thing Steam is doing, is launching UPLAY or RSSC for them. It's pretty bad when people are so lazy that they now need Steam to double click an icon to start a service for them, but yet can manage to double click the Steam icon. But the fact is that these users are so dumb that they are now forcing a game that already has it's own DRM, to now require double DRM. And their stupidity truly shines through when they actually say the statement, "I have no performance issues" or some other crap, which shows just exactly how truly are ignorant they really are.
Their actions of DOUBLE DRM is the equivalent to putting a donut (Spare tire) on their car for absolutely no reason, then when a mechanic asks them what's wrong with the car, they reply with "Oh nothing I just prefer it there cause it's a convenient place to keep my spare so I don't have to open the trunk and get at it this way I can access it at any time (Sound familiar). Without fail their opinions will always try and justify absolute nonsense until the cows come home. But from a mechanical standpoint it's absolutely useless and there is no reason to do something to a car when it doesn't need to have it done.
I don't feel all DRM effects people as badly as some of these complaint threads state.
Actually it's the reverse, most people complaining don't understand how bad the DRM installed on their computer really is. They are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
Have you ever thought about the people at Microsoft and Apple who have to work extra hours writing OS updates to patch the holes caused by legitimate companies putting back doors and rootkits onto their user's systems?
Everything has backdoors and holes. If you live your life worried about it then much less sleep and more gray hair. Let someone else worry about it.
Everything has backdoors? Sure whatever you say.
Have you ever thought about the people at Microsoft who have to work extra hours just to make sure Microsoft Office isn't vulnerable? How many security patches have they done for that one program? A couple hundred.
A backdoor is not a security bug, it is a deliberately inserted piece of code that allows the software developer to bypass the security of the system. It can be exploited by hackers but the intent was usually to recover a system for a user wjen they locked themselves out.
Attempts by developers to not have their computer game stolen is as old as computer games. You just have to live with it... or find a way to steal it.
Just don't go around rationalizing your theft as some noble hacktivist pursuit. It's theft. Call it what it is and live with it.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
some DRM suck so bad that makes the game unplayable , or makes u jump hoops in order to being able to play , i payed the game and still have to be frustrated? WHY?
i decided to not buy some games because drm....
However im more than happy go buy from GoG/ Steam /ect
There is also the issue with the DRM of older software no longer working correctly and simply denying everything. 64bit not supported by the DRM (but by the actual software)? Well, better buy a new version. New Windows not supported by DRM (but by the actual software)? Better buy a new version.
Yeah, so i looked around for a solution, and surprise, in those cases i got rid of the DRM, the software was working fine.
One time, i really wanted a game It was a sequel to a really popular AAA game by a major company, and it was selling like hot cakes elswhere. But the shops i was looking, it was not simply sold out, they never had a copy to start with. And that for two weeks.
So yeah, i could have waiting longer, it wasn't the end of the world. But when both the publisher and the shops tell me in no uncertain terms that they don't want my money..
Of course, this was around 2000 or so, but even today that can happen, with servers being down and such.
Or think about movies, where if you buy a copy you have to watch half an hour of ads and copyright notices, whereas the pirated version is just the movie itself.
Another thing is with companies pirating themselves. Be it assets from another game, or the software they use at work. Just look at NMS. Somehow, it was no big issue, and everybody was talking about whether you can even copyright/patent mathematics.
Next up, League of Angels. The company behind it has 1000 employees, and the shares the founder owns are worth $2.2 bn. And everybody thinks it's funny when they steal art etc., instead of being outraged.
And while the Chinese are known to have a rather interesting point of view with such things, it's not like it wouldn't happen in western companies too. Or companies stealing the works of private person. Usually you do not hear about it, it's rarely mentioned when talking about pirating, and even in court etc. it's usually settled with a slap on the wrist.
But when a private person does it, it's worse than murder and can decide the fate of a AAA company that existed for decades. Even if they have record earnings and exceed the expecations of both the company itself and their shareholders/the market as such, a single pirated copy is enough to question the whole business model..
So yeah, even if you bought it afterwards, pirating is pirating, but pirating in itself is not just black and white.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
Funnily enough this was a game recently added to GOG's catalogue, something I was very surprised to see. It's prime examples like yours where DRM works for the company at the expense of the customer.
Frankly i think we're lucky that there are people out there that are willing to 'fix' these games for us, because often its the only recourse for legitimate customers short of trying to get a refund.
For me GTA IV was the worst (it had even Rockstar Social above GWFL). Had issues before that too with idiot DRMs, but that was the camel-breaking straw. Stupid me bought the big box... and for a start it was like a cheapo xbox port (for which they needed 5-6 months to fix with updates), and also had frequent connection issues.
Then I saw at a buddy how it should work in a normal world: double click on the icon, and lo, behold... the game started right away. No hassle, no issues, and not to mention for "free".
Hence it's a dumb title. Angry pirates... right
What do people mean by crack? The most obvious thing is they can play a game that was downloaded for free with no problems. Now if the code is actually cracked or the "crack" involves a "work around" or "bypass" the end result for gamer is the same.
So while technically you can say denuvo isn't cracked it doesn't matter as the DRM isn't working. Thus games like Rise of the tomb raider, Doom 2016 Just cause 3 etc are all playable.
ALL DRM is just code and eventually they all get broken.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Denuvo doesn't work if all you need is a fake account and then to run steam in offline mode, by doesn't work I mean it's not fulfilling it's function.
Bypasses tend to be a first step in cracks btw. Oh and it's not just one game either.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
All of the Denuvo protected titles popping up over the last few days have been bypassed by using the steam client until a permanent solution can be found. I won't provide any details, but it certainly isn't cracked yet, that is a fact.
EDIT: I didn't realize this had been covered til I had already posted, my bad.
As to the issue of piracy... as long as they keep charging insane prices so they can make billions off the games, piracy will continue. It continues so long as it is profitable to do so. I very seriously doubt that the entire Witcher 3 game including all expansions is worth the over $100 that it costs to buy it. The Sims 4 was $70 for a game that wasn't even complete and had glaring omissions compared to previous versions. To think that these games would not be pirated is the height of foolishness. Personally I was so angry over the cost of the Sims 4 that I demanded my money back and rebought later when it was on sale for $30 on a gaming site. It definitely wasn't worth the amount they demanded. I did not, however, pirate the game.
That being said, Sims 3 saw massive levels of pirating as well so much so there were articles about it on the net because the socalled expansions were a joke and simply robbed people of their money. At least the sims 4 didn't charge for every download.
The game companies don't realize that they are putting themselves out of business. Same with microsoft. People are getting tired of the crap.
Everything has backdoors? Sure whatever you say.
DRM is never going to be good for us, because it isn't for us. DRM is not for consumers, it's for publishers and developers. I'm really anti-piracy for games unless people are honest about it and flat out say they don't want to pay for stuff but I'm also anti-drm. I don't like it. I don't want to deal with it, knock it off.
edit-No, wait. At worst DRM means you cannot play your copy of Dark Souls online OR save offline because it needed GFWL verification and the email address tied to your xbox live account was completely and utterly gone after it started spamming your aunts about penis-enlargement pills (my bad) and of course that meant you couldn't even log into the live account because that makes sense and you couldn't change the email for it either and also steam wouldn't sell you another copy of the game for 5 bucks during one of their sales when they were good because you already owned a copy you couldn't use. That's the worst.
It's not common for such a thing to happen but they do happen and it would be awful to lose access to 100+ games one might have with little recourse, ie https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/33r49e/after_a_month_my_account_got_finally_got_unlocked/
Then there are games that are dependent on communicating with a server (all MMOs, Diablo 3, a good many others) that are very difficult to hack. Usually, an emulation of a server needs to be created to enjoy the pirated game at all, and even then it's a hugely subpar experience compared to paying for the game.
There is one semi-effective form of DRM right now and that is Denuvo. It is currently the most difficult for hackers to get around, but people are beginning to find ways around it.
The first type of DRM is just silly and costs extra resources for no reason. It needs to die. When you look at games (like Witcher 3) that forego this basic, easily circumvented style DRM, they still sell extremely well anyway. It's also difficult to link piracy to lost sales anyway. It assumes that pirates would have bought the game if they were not pirating it. Obviously this can't be assumed.
I normally don't reply to obvious Steam user trolls but I usually never let what I post get skewed or changed or butchered by an uneducated Steam user who cannot stop causing problems everywhere they go
So to UN-butcher what did to my reply I'll just say this:
Nowhere in my reply does it say the FBI did anything, and nor does it say I got them to do anything either.
If you had any actual comprehension as you are telling someone else to get and or weren't an uneducated trouble making Steam user, you would have understood that what I actually said was that the IP ban was lifted after I contacted them is all. Coincidence or not doesn't matter, the fact is it was removed shortly after I contacted them.
Now as for reading,
How you just decided to take it upon yourself to somehow read that the FBI even did anything, or I got them to do anything is mind numbing considering that insinuation is not even there until you forced it into there..but then again you are a Steam user, and that's what all Steam users do on every forum you can find, you constantly look for things to twist out of context and add things to people's post anyway you can, to spark debates and problems, so you can then post up a long reply about justifying your stupidity causing an even further mess.
Any forum on the net has Steam users doing this.
On one side there is the Brown nosing Steam users who think Steam is the only thing in existence, and will defend the usage of Steam DRM until the cows come home.
On another side you have the people who use piracy to test games out before buying them to make sure the game isn't garbage (Which seems to be the trend for the past 10 years.
Then you have the people like me who will always pirate a game if it's something we want to play, but the developer has only decided to use Valve's abusive Steam service and attach it to their game so we just don't support that developer for that game. (This is why all my AAA titles such as Assassin's Creed IV, Watch Dogs, GTA V are through their own service)
_____________________________
But the group of people that I absolutely love are the idiots that complain about UPLAY and RSSC being so bad, and then go buy a RSSC or UPLAY game through Steam.
These clowns somehow fail to understand, that the only thing Steam is doing, is launching UPLAY or RSSC for them. It's pretty bad when people are so lazy that they now need Steam to double click an icon to start a service for them, but yet can manage to double click the Steam icon. But the fact is that these users are so dumb that they are now forcing a game that already has it's own DRM, to now require double DRM. And their stupidity truly shines through when they actually say the statement, "I have no performance issues" or some other crap, which shows just exactly how truly are ignorant they really are.
Their actions of DOUBLE DRM is the equivalent to putting a donut (Spare tire) on their car for absolutely no reason, then when a mechanic asks them what's wrong with the car, they reply with "Oh nothing I just prefer it there cause it's a convenient place to keep my spare so I don't have to open the trunk and get at it this way I can access it at any time (Sound familiar). Without fail their opinions will always try and justify absolute nonsense until the cows come home. But from a mechanical standpoint it's absolutely useless and there is no reason to do something to a car when it doesn't need to have it done.
Just don't go around rationalizing your theft as some noble hacktivist pursuit. It's theft. Call it what it is and live with it.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Suck it denuvo!
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.