It's not a complete scam; something will eventually be released. But it's all about Roberts ego. Sadly, that ego doesn't match his actual design skills or management competence. Roberts has never released a single game that he was in total control of. The only project that was totally his was the Wing Commander movie. Have fun watching that.
Man do you really need to go update all the threads repeating the same things about CR? xD
@Royalkin that was a good post for sure. Yes there are some crazy ideas and conspiracies around that make everyone kinda laugh. But there are also very legitimate concerns about many things. Not entirely a scam but if they are continually lying and overhyping things in order to draw in more money then what is that considered? What exactly is CIG trying to accomplish that hasn't already been done? Sorry to say but its been done already and with much smaller budget. Now I admit it hasn't been done with this level of detail. The problem is that CIG will make a claim then completely back out of that claim or just ignore that they ever made the claim. Then when people ask questions about such claims the only answers we get are complete nonsense to anyone who cares to study and think about it. Major topics that everyone has problems with are.
1. Star Marine will launch within 3-5 weeks. Chris said that over 1 year ago. 2. SQ42 is scheduled to be released 2016, they never changed that date until yesterday yet the website still says 2016 3. Ships will not be sold after the game launches so buy them right now. *gimme a break* 4. They have figured out PG planets. If this were true they would have more then 1 planet
So in 8 months when they finally add 1 more planet will you agree that the PG stuff was just a fiasco?
Are you joking? Gamescon 3.0 no? Only there more than one was shown, a landing location one that is Delamar and the moon where they played on... Both that and QT travel from one planet to the other.
Being a backer for over three years now, all I can say is that I'm very pleased with the progress CIG has made. I don't have specific knowledge of every tiny detail involved in development, but what I have seen through Around the Verse, Reverse the Verse, CitCon, and Convention presentations, gives a very good insight. This is difficult, very difficult, which is why no other developer has attempted anything close to it.
Am I hyped? Certainly, but not to the point of delusion as some might claim. Star Citizen isn't a cult, but rather the fulfillment (or the potential thereof) of the type of game we've all dreamed of since the first time we picked up a controller or a joystick. Chris has picked up that mantle, and all I can have is respect for the man who has attempted to create a vision that damn near everyone said was impossible (and even some of the things they've already accomplished). Are there setbacks? Certainly!. Are there disappointments? Yes. However, there has never been any game development project that hasn't suffered those. If you strive to create something so revolutionary, which so many deemed impossible, you're bound to run into a few of those.
The one point that remains fixed in my gaze, is the continual progress which they have made. From what I've seen in regards to the behind the scenes of development, seriously dissuades me from believing in the conspiracy theories. Most specifically those that claim the demos are staged and the entire project is just a farce to make money, which in my opinion on both, shows either ignorance or simple hatred.
The technical achievements necessary to even present the demo, disprove the staged argument. Additionally, the amount of time and energy which has already been poured into the project, disproves the notion that it is bogus. I ask what 360 plus people, at four studios, are doing, if it just a scam. Why create so many assets (see Jared's accidental leak of models) it it was just a scam? The point being that the amount of effort seems superfluous to just support a money-making scam.
In conclusion, I say this. For those that believe in the project, stay the course, and your patience will be justly rewarding. For those with outrageous criticism, I just think you're wrong, but I also think you'll be very surprised in the end.
Being a backer for over three years now, all I can say is that I'm very pleased with the progress CIG has made. I don't have specific knowledge of every tiny detail involved in development, but what I have seen through Around the Verse, Reverse the Verse, CitCon, and Convention presentations, gives a very good insight. This is difficult, very difficult, which is why no other developer has attempted anything close to it.
Am I hyped? Certainly, but not to the point of delusion as some might claim. Star Citizen isn't a cult, but rather the fulfillment (or the potential thereof) of the type of game we've all dreamed of since the first time we picked up a controller or a joystick. Chris has picked up that mantle, and all I can have is respect for the man who has attempted to create a vision that damn near everyone said was impossible (and even some of the things they've already accomplished). Are there setbacks? Certainly!. Are there disappointments? Yes. However, there has never been any game development project that hasn't suffered those. If you strive to create something so revolutionary, which so many deemed impossible, you're bound to run into a few of those.
The one point that remains fixed in my gaze, is the continual progress which they have made. From what I've seen in regards to the behind the scenes of development, seriously dissuades me from believing in the conspiracy theories. Most specifically those that claim the demos are staged and the entire project is just a farce to make money, which in my opinion on both, shows either ignorance or simple hatred.
The technical achievements necessary to even present the demo, disprove the staged argument. Additionally, the amount of time and energy which has already been poured into the project, disproves the notion that it is bogus. I ask what 360 plus people, at four studios, are doing, if it just a scam. Why create so many assets (see Jared's accidental leak of models) it it was just a scam? The point being that the amount of effort seems superfluous to just support a money-making scam.
In conclusion, I say this. For those that believe in the project, stay the course, and your patience will be justly rewarding. For those with outrageous criticism, I just think you're wrong, but I also think you'll be very surprised in the end.
we are so gonna hear about you on the news one day when all this garbage about this crap game finally ends.
It's not a complete scam; something will eventually be released. But it's all about Roberts ego. Sadly, that ego doesn't match his actual design skills or management competence. Roberts has never released a single game that he was in total control of. The only project that was totally his was the Wing Commander movie. Have fun watching that.
Man do you really need to go update all the threads repeating the same things about CR? xD
That was fun hahaha
Pretty funny coming from you. }
Sometimes foks seem to forget. Even with all the evidence.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
@silverreign goes on implying suicide talk to someone else (cause that's how an argumented discussion works). Congratulations for that.
@craftseeker goes on agreeing that that PG Planets are a lie because they don't have more than one planet. ???? Care to explain this statement, or is it just <agree with anything negative towards SC>?
the amount of people trying to get a refund after this CitizenCon is unreal.
some are just trying to get a refund of their polaris purchase but CIG is playing hardball and threatening to suspend all of their accounts for that.
Eventually CIG will cave in just like they have been doing the past few months cause that's what happens when you know the DCBA/ Attorney General is looking at you.
the amount of people trying to get a refund after this CitizenCon is unreal.
some are just trying to get a refund of their polaris purchase but CIG is playing hardball and threatening to suspend all of their accounts for that.
Eventually CIG will cave in just like they have been doing the past few months cause that's what happens when you know the DCBA/ Attorney General is looking at you.
If they get in trouble its their own fault for all the deception tactics they have been using. But then again you also got plenty of very rich companies who do tons of shady business dealings and they get away with it.
From an outsider's point of view who has very low interest in this game and after having checked out some videos and such it is clear to me they have spent money and they are working on the game. Whether they succeed is another point but to continue calling it a scam and such is pure bollocks. There is ample evidence to show that money has been spent and people are hard at work.
the amount of people trying to get a refund after this CitizenCon is unreal.
some are just trying to get a refund of their polaris purchase but CIG is playing hardball and threatening to suspend all of their accounts for that.
Eventually CIG will cave in just like they have been doing the past few months cause that's what happens when you know the DCBA/ Attorney General is looking at you.
Feel free to share with us your source for the number of people that try to get refunds. You know - the "amount that is unreal". And i mean NOT anectotal evidence by a few people (which might be real or faked), posted in forums.
You obviously have inside information from the CIG Customer Service group, because they are the only ones that have those numbers.
And CIG has been giving out refunds voluntarily for many years now, in case you have not got the news.
the amount of people trying to get a refund after this CitizenCon is unreal.
some are just trying to get a refund of their polaris purchase but CIG is playing hardball and threatening to suspend all of their accounts for that.
Eventually CIG will cave in just like they have been doing the past few months cause that's what happens when you know the DCBA/ Attorney General is looking at you.
Feel free to share with us your source for the number of people that try to get refunds. You know - the "amount that is unreal". And i mean NOT anectotal evidence by a few people (which might be real or faked), posted in forums.
You obviously have inside information from the CIG Customer Service group, because they are the only ones that have those numbers.
And CIG has been giving out refunds voluntarily for many years now, in case you have not got the news.
Have fun
Voluntary refunds?
Can I clarify whether you are accusing the DCBA and the Attorney General for lying?
Voluntary refunds?
Can I clarify whether you are accusing the DCBA and the Attorney General for lying?
I am not accusing THEM of lying.
And BTW ... there is NO official case ongoing against CIG. Feel free to post the case number if you know one. People write the DCBA and the Attorney General - that is all. The same people let CIG know that they did so. Neither the DCBA nor the Attorney General have ordered CIG to do anything. I could write the DCBA or the Attorney General - with about the same impact.
CIG has given refunds for years now ... voluntarily. Long before anything related to the DCBA or the Attorney General.
@silverreign goes on implying suicide talk to someone else (cause that's how an argumented discussion works). Congratulations for that.
@craftseeker goes on agreeing that that PG Planets are a lie because they don't have more than one planet. ???? Care to explain this statement, or is it just <agree with anything negative towards SC>?
Voluntary refunds?
Can I clarify whether you are accusing the DCBA and the Attorney General for lying?
I am not accusing THEM of lying.
And BTW ... there is NO official case ongoing against CIG. Feel free to post the case number if you know one. People write the DCBA and the Attorney General - that is all. The same people let CIG know that they did so. Neither the DCBA nor the Attorney General have ordered CIG to do anything. I could write the DCBA or the Attorney General - with about the same impact.
CIG has given refunds for years now ... voluntarily. Long before anything related to the DCBA or the Attorney General.
You mean that I said this: "....That others spin a yarn out of this and call some 0.2 % refunds over 3
years a "FLOOD of refund requests" is what some people find strange. ..."
And feel free to post the case number of the "case that the DCBA has opened". As there are an "unreal amount of refund requests" at least ONE of those people surely can give you that number from the DCBA, so we can read all about it on their website.
so are all of you enjoying the game? wait....what? people have been talking about how great this game will be for years now. no ones played it? then how do they know? ohhh, everyones seen all the great footage and followed the dev info. well then i need to get on board with this game. surely it will be as great as the devs tell us. they would never try to make it look and sound better than it will be. they wouldnt do that................would they?
@silverreign goes on implying suicide talk to someone else (cause that's how an argumented discussion works). Congratulations for that.
@craftseeker goes on agreeing that that PG Planets are a lie because they don't have more than one planet. ???? Care to explain this statement, or is it just <agree with anything negative towards SC>?
It's simple enough. If your objective is to be able to generate a large number of procedurally generated anything, then a system that can only be shown to generate one is either inherently flawed or so incomplete that it should not be shown outside of the development team.
so are all of you enjoying the game? wait....what? people have been talking about how great this game will be for years now. no ones played it? then how do they know? ohhh, everyones seen all the great footage and followed the dev info. well then i need to get on board with this game. surely it will be as great as the devs tell us. they would never try to make it look and sound better than it will be. they wouldnt do that................would they?
You will find a thread below talking about 1+ million manhours of playing SC so far.
@silverreign goes on implying suicide talk to someone else (cause that's how an argumented discussion works). Congratulations for that.
@craftseeker goes on agreeing that that PG Planets are a lie because they don't have more than one planet. ???? Care to explain this statement, or is it just <agree with anything negative towards SC>?
It's simple enough. If your objective is to be able to generate a large number of procedural generated anything, then a system that can only be shown to generate one is either inherently flawed or so incomplete that it should not be shown outside of the development team.
As it has been shown to journalists - generating various types of planets ....
it might not be as inherently flawed or incomplete as you seem to think.
Voluntary refunds?
Can I clarify whether you are accusing the DCBA and the Attorney General for lying?
I am not accusing THEM of lying.
And BTW ... there is NO official case ongoing against CIG. Feel free to post the case number if you know one. People write the DCBA and the Attorney General - that is all. The same people let CIG know that they did so. Neither the DCBA nor the Attorney General have ordered CIG to do anything. I could write the DCBA or the Attorney General - with about the same impact.
CIG has given refunds for years now ... voluntarily. Long before anything related to the DCBA or the Attorney General.
Not a case, a complaint was made. I physically called and requested the information and they had nothing open that was public record, meaning no action is currently being taken. They've confirmed that there have been complaints, but they are all handled through normal channels and no legal action has been taken at this point, or is pending. If you don't believe me, phone them yourself and ask! These people keep saying "cases" like it's legal, but they are simply complaints. They have yielded nothing at this point. There is absolutely no legal action going on. As I said, though, feel free to phone for yourself.
@silverreign goes on implying suicide talk to someone else (cause that's how an argumented discussion works). Congratulations for that.
@craftseeker goes on agreeing that that PG Planets are a lie because they don't have more than one planet. ???? Care to explain this statement, or is it just <agree with anything negative towards SC>?
It's simple enough. If your objective is to be able to generate a large number of procedural generated anything, then a system that can only be shown to generate one is either inherently flawed or so incomplete that it should not be shown outside of the development team.
As it has been shown to journalists - generating various types of planets ....
it might not be as inherently flawed or incomplete as you seem to think.
Have fun
Thats how CIG works. They try to make you think they got things further along then they really do. According to your beliefs there is no reason they shouldn't have several solar systems in the next major update. But will it happen?
Comments
That was fun hahaha
1. Star Marine will launch within 3-5 weeks. Chris said that over 1 year ago.
2. SQ42 is scheduled to be released 2016, they never changed that date until yesterday yet the website still says 2016
3. Ships will not be sold after the game launches so buy them right now. *gimme a break*
4. They have figured out PG planets. If this were true they would have more then 1 planet
Seriously now?
Sometimes foks seem to forget. Even with all the evidence.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
@craftseeker goes on agreeing that that PG Planets are a lie because they don't have more than one planet. ???? Care to explain this statement, or is it just <agree with anything negative towards SC>?
Original - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4551#post462019951 (paywall)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-15-through-gritted-teeth-star-citizen-developer-gives-player-whopping-usd2500-refund
CIG is sued by Crytek
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
EX-Backer StreetRoller sues Chris Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx7VcbowYQ
You obviously have inside information from the CIG Customer Service group, because they are the only ones that have those numbers.
And CIG has been giving out refunds voluntarily for many years now, in case you have not got the news.
Have fun
Original - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4551#post462019951 (paywall)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-15-through-gritted-teeth-star-citizen-developer-gives-player-whopping-usd2500-refund
CIG is sued by Crytek
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
EX-Backer StreetRoller sues Chris Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx7VcbowYQ
And BTW ... there is NO official case ongoing against CIG. Feel free to post the case number if you know one. People write the DCBA and the Attorney General - that is all. The same people let CIG know that they did so. Neither the DCBA nor the Attorney General have ordered CIG to do anything. I could write the DCBA or the Attorney General - with about the same impact.
CIG has given refunds for years now ... voluntarily. Long before anything related to the DCBA or the Attorney General.
Have fun
Original - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4551#post462019951 (paywall)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-15-through-gritted-teeth-star-citizen-developer-gives-player-whopping-usd2500-refund
CIG is sued by Crytek
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
EX-Backer StreetRoller sues Chris Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx7VcbowYQ
"....That others spin a yarn out of this and call some 0.2 % refunds over 3 years a "FLOOD of refund requests" is what some people find strange. ..."
And feel free to post the case number of the "case that the DCBA has opened". As there are an "unreal amount of refund requests" at least ONE of those people surely can give you that number from the DCBA, so we can read all about it on their website.
Have fun
Have fun
it might not be as inherently flawed or incomplete as you seem to think.
Have fun
Not a case, a complaint was made. I physically called and requested the information and they had nothing open that was public record, meaning no action is currently being taken. They've confirmed that there have been complaints, but they are all handled through normal channels and no legal action has been taken at this point, or is pending. If you don't believe me, phone them yourself and ask! These people keep saying "cases" like it's legal, but they are simply complaints. They have yielded nothing at this point. There is absolutely no legal action going on. As I said, though, feel free to phone for yourself.
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------