If you removed all the games on sale there would be any DOS game left.
Even those in 1st places on GoG dont sell nearly in "millions" let alone DOS games lol, feck even Witcher 3 sold just a small fraction of its sales on GoG so nowhere near "millions" in fact well below million and no DOS game comes even close to that lol
If you removed all the games on sale there would be any DOS game left.
Even those in 1st places on GoG dont sell nearly in "millions" let alone DOS games lol, feck even Witcher 3 sold just a small fraction of its sales on GoG so nowhere near "millions" in fact well below million and no DOS game comes even close to that lol
Man you can't sell 20 year old games at full price. And keep ignoring the fact that dos games are also free from many sources and its not considered pirating.
Man you can't sell 20 year old games at full price. And keep ignoring the fact that dos games are also free from many sources and its not considered pirating.
That's right. My Warcraft copy is actually pirated, I am not breaking the law though. The European law allows you to make and get copies of games you legally own.
It was easier to download this game than to go through my stash of cd-roms.
If you removed all the games on sale there would be any DOS game left.
Even those in 1st places on GoG dont sell nearly in "millions" let alone DOS games lol, feck even Witcher 3 sold just a small fraction of its sales on GoG so nowhere near "millions" in fact well below million and no DOS game comes even close to that lol
Man you can't sell 20 year old games at full price. And keep ignoring the fact that dos games are also free from many sources and its not considered pirating.
If you removed all the games on sale there would be any DOS game left.
Even those in 1st places on GoG dont sell nearly in "millions" let alone DOS games lol, feck even Witcher 3 sold just a small fraction of its sales on GoG so nowhere near "millions" in fact well below million and no DOS game comes even close to that lol
Man you can't sell 20 year old games at full price. And keep ignoring the fact that dos games are also free from many sources and its not considered pirating.
Full price? LOL
at 50% off they cost 2-3€ lol
So roughly about the same price as the original Witcher game on PC.
im not really sure whats going on in your head, but...Earth is calling you back lol
I wonder how powerful those new cards are.
To me everything operating under 35W sounds like AMD is abandoning the high-end notebook graphic card market to NVidia for this generation, and instead aims at the gap between Intel's integrated graphics and NVidia's desktop GPUs in mobile form factor.
It might not be a bad decision. They'll probably be able to use the same technology in their mobile APUs.
I think that is exactly what they are doing, and not only in notebooks, but also devices like AIO's and consumer-level desktops. That is the biggest market for discrete GPU by volume.
UH oh.... The GTX 1050 on backorder is 109$. I don't imagine it to compete with the RX 480 but the 470 will be its equal for sure. And the Nvidia is 70$ cheaper. Who will buy the 460 for 99$ when they can have the 1050 for 109$?
UH oh.... The GTX 1050 on backorder is 109$. I don't imagine it to compete with the RX 480 but the 470 will be its equal for sure. And the Nvidia is 70$ cheaper. Who will buy the 460 for 99$ when they can have the 1050 for 109$?
What are you smoking?
I like the 1050, I think it's a good card, but it in no way competes with a 470.
The 1050/460 is pretty much the same story as the 480 vs 1060 - both are good cards, both are priced pretty similarly. One does a bit better in DX12, the other in DX11.
UH oh.... The GTX 1050 on backorder is 109$. I don't imagine it to compete with the RX 480 but the 470 will be its equal for sure. And the Nvidia is 70$ cheaper. Who will buy the 460 for 99$ when they can have the 1050 for 109$?
What are you smoking?
I like the 1050, I think it's a good card, but it in no way competes with a 470.
The 1050/460 is pretty much the same story as the 480 vs 1060 - both are good cards, both are priced pretty similarly. One does a bit better in DX12, the other in DX11.
I found a decent review and bench comparison that includes 1050 and 1050 Ti.
The conclusion was that, outside of some very low end gaming money would be better spent elsewhere. They didn't say they were bad cards, and could be used in an extreme budget build, but overall not the best way to spend money in a build.
Their conclusion on page 7 is a good summary and goes into a couple scenarios where they would choose the 1050 Ti or the RX 470 and then the step up to 1060 and 480. The 460 got the thumbs down - not that it's a bad card, but for the money 1050 is just better, but neither would be a first or second choice for them.
That is actually a good recommendation. If your looking for a <$120 GPU because of your budget, you probably should be thinking APU.
UH oh.... The GTX 1050 on backorder is 109$. I don't imagine it to compete with the RX 480 but the 470 will be its equal for sure. And the Nvidia is 70$ cheaper. Who will buy the 460 for 99$ when they can have the 1050 for 109$?
What are you smoking?
I like the 1050, I think it's a good card, but it in no way competes with a 470.
The 1050/460 is pretty much the same story as the 480 vs 1060 - both are good cards, both are priced pretty similarly. One does a bit better in DX12, the other in DX11.
Which does better in dx11?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I just can't take people serious who claim that gfx driver issues are an AMD exclusive problem.
Just 2 days ago a friend was ranting that Nvidia enforced an update which overwrote his customized inputs on his game.
But hey if you came to the conclusion that the world is divided into black and white then stick with that view.
And I can't take people seriously that pretend that AMD has not had more serious issues with drivers in the past.
As for the OP's question- yeah I think they failed. I think AMD needed to release cards that are way cheaper OR somehow assure people that they won't have comparability issues with games in the future.
They are basically doing the same thing they've always done- release comparable cards for just a little cheaper. That's not going to change their fortunes in the market share.
UH oh.... The GTX 1050 on backorder is 109$. I don't imagine it to compete with the RX 480 but the 470 will be its equal for sure. And the Nvidia is 70$ cheaper. Who will buy the 460 for 99$ when they can have the 1050 for 109$?
What are you smoking?
I like the 1050, I think it's a good card, but it in no way competes with a 470.
The 1050/460 is pretty much the same story as the 480 vs 1060 - both are good cards, both are priced pretty similarly. One does a bit better in DX12, the other in DX11.
What makes you think the 470 is so good that it beats the 1050? I mean it can barely hang with the gtx 970.
I think you're overestimating the capabilities of APUs, at least if you exclude consoles. AMD hasn't yet launched an APU with more than 8 compute units. A Radeon RX 460 has 16 compute units, and they're clocked higher, too. It also has more than double the memory bandiwidth, so it's going to better than double the performance of an APU at just about anything where you don't have a PCI Express bottleneck. Better than double the performance--and commonly more like triple it--is enough to justify buying a discrete card.
Now, APUs do make the next tier down mostly obsolete. There's no real point in buying a Radeon R5 230 or a GeForce GT 730 for a new system. But it's not a coincidence that those are based on discrete GPU chips from 2013 and 2012 respectively, and neither AMD nor Nvidia design new, discrete GPU chips in that range anymore.
Once we get HBM on the APU package, that makes the RX 460 and GTX 1050 tier of performance obsolete in a discrete card, and possibly the next tier up, even. But we're not there yet.
click next to see other resolutions and dx12. I found this quote to be interresting.
"TweakTown reports at least 15% gains for the Radeon graphics cards in a system powered by the Core i7-5960X. What's more, they found that the RX 480 crushed the GTX 1060 in both DX11 and DX12, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE COULDN'T REPRODUCE."
They used several graphics cards and several different cpu's.
@holdenhamlet I'm saying that Nvidia messes up just like AMD does.
Any other claims are a nice mix of bias and bullshit.
It's not about "messing up". It's about the cards not even working correctly with certain games.
AMD has a history of that.
You mean like Nvidia has a history of frying their cards? I had several Nvidias and several AMDs.. guess which ones fried?
Um, no Nvidia doesn't have a reputation for "frying their cards". Sounds like you had a bad power supply.
Yep that was totally the issue. And that's why Nvidia replaced the card with a newer model because the cooling system of my original card was beyond broken so they had already taken it off the market.
Either way I am done with this back and forth in this thread. There have only been a few real inputs in this discussion.
The majority of posts reads like tl;dr: AMD evil - Nvidia godly
UH oh.... The GTX 1050 on backorder is 109$. I don't imagine it to compete with the RX 480 but the 470 will be its equal for sure. And the Nvidia is 70$ cheaper. Who will buy the 460 for 99$ when they can have the 1050 for 109$?
What are you smoking?
I like the 1050, I think it's a good card, but it in no way competes with a 470.
The 1050/460 is pretty much the same story as the 480 vs 1060 - both are good cards, both are priced pretty similarly. One does a bit better in DX12, the other in DX11.
Which does better in dx11?
If you have time read the article I posted just above. There really isn't any reason for the 470. The 1050 is weak and like Ridelynn said maybe an APU makes more sense in the build at that point. It's at least different sort of build case than going with a 1050 Ti and above.
The RX470 generally performs better in both DX11 and DX12 than the 1050 Ti, but it needs to come down a few dollars in price to make that small performance bump attractive. The RX470 and RX480 generally smoke in DX12, but this is where memory and OC versions start make that a gray statement. The benches and tests in the article show the places where different cards pull ahead and where they lag behind.
What I like about this article is that they focus on 1080p performance (because that's where these cards work best), but still include higher end cards that can handle 4k well. It's nice to see a range of cards.
470 and 480 are very impressive for the price points.
Ugh, I made a type and corrected it in my post above. There is no real reason for the 460 compared to the 1050, or at all for that matter with regards to even light gaming.
The 470 is a good card and probably a clearly better choice than the 1050 Ti if it drops in price by even $10 or $20. Even then it's a better card but maybe not for that much more than the 1050 Ti.
So why exactly do you expect the 1050 to run like a 970? I mean shouldn't it run more like a 1050 which would place it right at the RX470.
@holdenhamlet I'm saying that Nvidia messes up just like AMD does.
Any other claims are a nice mix of bias and bullshit.
It's not about "messing up". It's about the cards not even working correctly with certain games.
AMD has a history of that.
You mean like Nvidia has a history of frying their cards? I had several Nvidias and several AMDs.. guess which ones fried?
Um, no Nvidia doesn't have a reputation for "frying their cards". Sounds like you had a bad power supply.
Yep that was totally the issue. And that's why Nvidia replaced the card with a newer model because the cooling system of my original card was beyond broken so they had already taken it off the market.
Either way I am done with this back and forth in this thread. There have only been a few real inputs in this discussion.
The majority of posts reads like tl;dr: AMD evil - Nvidia godly
It's not about good or evil. It's about "Will this piece of hardware work correctly with software I want to use it with (both now and in the future)."
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Even those in 1st places on GoG dont sell nearly in "millions" let alone DOS games lol, feck even Witcher 3 sold just a small fraction of its sales on GoG so nowhere near "millions" in fact well below million and no DOS game comes even close to that lol
My Warcraft copy is actually pirated, I am not breaking the law though.
The European law allows you to make and get copies of games you legally own.
It was easier to download this game than to go through my stash of cd-roms.
at 50% off they cost 2-3€ lol
I like the 1050, I think it's a good card, but it in no way competes with a 470.
The 1050/460 is pretty much the same story as the 480 vs 1060 - both are good cards, both are priced pretty similarly. One does a bit better in DX12, the other in DX11.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
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As for the OP's question- yeah I think they failed. I think AMD needed to release cards that are way cheaper OR somehow assure people that they won't have comparability issues with games in the future.
They are basically doing the same thing they've always done- release comparable cards for just a little cheaper. That's not going to change their fortunes in the market share.
Now, APUs do make the next tier down mostly obsolete. There's no real point in buying a Radeon R5 230 or a GeForce GT 730 for a new system. But it's not a coincidence that those are based on discrete GPU chips from 2013 and 2012 respectively, and neither AMD nor Nvidia design new, discrete GPU chips in that range anymore.
Once we get HBM on the APU package, that makes the RX 460 and GTX 1050 tier of performance obsolete in a discrete card, and possibly the next tier up, even. But we're not there yet.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1267-battlefield-1-benchmarks/page2.html
click next to see other resolutions and dx12. I found this quote to be interresting.
"TweakTown reports at least 15% gains for the Radeon graphics cards in a system powered by the Core i7-5960X. What's more, they found that the RX 480 crushed the GTX 1060 in both DX11 and DX12, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE COULDN'T REPRODUCE."
They used several graphics cards and several different cpu's.
I'm saying that Nvidia messes up just like AMD does.
Any other claims are a nice mix of bias and bullshit.
AMD has a history of that.
I had several Nvidias and several AMDs.. guess which ones fried?
And that's why Nvidia replaced the card with a newer model because the cooling system of my original card was beyond broken so they had already taken it off the market.
Either way I am done with this back and forth in this thread.
There have only been a few real inputs in this discussion.
The majority of posts reads like tl;dr:
AMD evil - Nvidia godly
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다