Blizzard is a slow moving organization, but a comment on legacy servers SHOULD be made this year. No comment means they are trying to sweep the issue under the rug so a reaction by Nost is warranted.
You're saying that the team who was doing something illegal is justified in their reaction if the issue is not further mentioned to the company's community? What???
Blizzard doesn't have to mention anything after having the project shut down which was operating without their consent. Dangerous times we live in when people actually try to justify illegal actions.
Not to open a can of worms, but blindly accepting laws and regulations is just as harmful as blindly attempting to justify illegal actions.
Society can and does, as a general rule, weed out laws and regulations that are deemed superfluous or detrimental.
Is this one of those times? I'm inclined to entertain the viewpoint that, if Nostalrius wasn't making any money off their endeavors, then they aren't much different from a Skyrim modder offering his work on the Nexus.
Perhaps if I had more achievement points I would be accepted with my opinions? Isn't that further demonstrating a problem? As much as I would like to carry on the one on one until you see reason, I'll get back to why I actually spoke up..
SBFord said, "The language of the letter they posted to the forum was purposely obtuse and wide open to a number of interpretations." A letter they posted months ago.
The same can be said for this article as SBFord said in her defense. The language of this article is in question, but was posted just yesterday. I can take anyone out of context or time, but then is it really news?
The Nostalrius team is more transparent with where they are taking legacy WoW than Blizzard. You can find that out if you read past their cover letter.
Bold part is irrelevant since it isn't theirs to take.
Blizzard is a slow moving organization, but a comment on legacy servers SHOULD be made this year. No comment means they are trying to sweep the issue under the rug so a reaction by Nost is warranted.
You're saying that the team who was doing something illegal is justified in their reaction if the issue is not further mentioned to the company's community? What???
Blizzard doesn't have to mention anything after having the project shut down which was operating without their consent. Dangerous times we live in when people actually try to justify illegal actions.
Not to open a can of worms, but blindly accepting laws and regulations is just as harmful as blindly attempting to justify illegal actions.
Society can and does, as a general rule, weed out laws and regulations that are deemed superfluous or detrimental.
Is this one of those times? I'm inclined to entertain the viewpoint that, if Nostalrius wasn't making any money off their endeavors, then they aren't much different from a Skyrim modder offering his work on the Nexus.
They asked for donations, which regardless of whether or not brought them profits, they still sought money for the project: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3903 And even if they hadn't, it still isn't comparable to modding. Someone using a mod for Skyrim still needs to buy the base game. The modder isn't taking anything away from Bethesda. With private servers for an mmo, the people are essentially running an alternate version of the game, taking potential customers away from the game's actual developer/publisher. How many people played Nos because they wanted a Vanilla experience, and how many people played because it was free WoW?
Perhaps if I had more achievement points I would be accepted with my opinions? Isn't that further demonstrating a problem? As much as I would like to carry on the one on one until you see reason, I'll get back to why I actually spoke up..
SBFord said, "The language of the letter they posted to the forum was purposely obtuse and wide open to a number of interpretations." A letter they posted months ago.
The same can be said for this article as SBFord said in her defense. The language of this article is in question, but was posted just yesterday. I can take anyone out of context or time, but then is it really news?
The Nostalrius team is more transparent with where they are taking legacy WoW than Blizzard. You can find that out if you read past their cover letter.
Bold part is irrelevant since it isn't theirs to take.
While I agree with your sentiment. It is relevant. This article lead into "No vanilla legacy to be announced, what will Nostalrius do?"
Happily playing Vanilla and BC WoW, again, since September 2016.
I love how we are actually discussing the integrity of these thieves like it's an actual concern.
Or the integrity of this site. Painting up some people to look like a nemesis when they have done nothing but be compliant since they showed up in the news.
For the record: I still have yet to take part in a private server. I've just been a long time hopeful. I'm not lining up to be a hero in gaming history, but I appreciate people who take risks like this. (like setting up a community for fans, what evil people) I hate current WoW and its impossible for it return to the glory I enjoyed. If they did, they would have an entirely different angry mob on their hands.
Happily playing Vanilla and BC WoW, again, since September 2016.
Blizzard is a slow moving organization, but a comment on legacy servers SHOULD be made this year. No comment means they are trying to sweep the issue under the rug so a reaction by Nost is warranted.
You're saying that the team who was doing something illegal is justified in their reaction if the issue is not further mentioned to the company's community? What???
Blizzard doesn't have to mention anything after having the project shut down which was operating without their consent. Dangerous times we live in when people actually try to justify illegal actions.
Not to open a can of worms, but blindly accepting laws and regulations is just as harmful as blindly attempting to justify illegal actions.
Society can and does, as a general rule, weed out laws and regulations that are deemed superfluous or detrimental.
Is this one of those times? I'm inclined to entertain the viewpoint that, if Nostalrius wasn't making any money off their endeavors, then they aren't much different from a Skyrim modder offering his work on the Nexus.
They asked for donations, which regardless of whether or not brought them profits, they still sought money for the project: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3903 And even if they hadn't, it still isn't comparable to modding. Someone using a mod for Skyrim still needs to buy the base game. The modder isn't taking anything away from Bethesda. With private servers for an mmo, the people are essentially running an alternate version of the game, taking potential customers away from the game's actual developer/publisher. How many people played Nos because they wanted a Vanilla experience, and how many people played because it was free WoW?
There's no way to know for sure, but my hunch is more people were playing Nostalrius because it was the version of the game they loved than because it was free. Aion is free to play, Neverwinter is free to play, Rift is free to play, etc. They could have played any of those newer games, or several others, but instead they choose to play a 10-year-old version of World of Warcraft.
Agreed. Actually, all available data supports the fact that players chose Nost not primarily because it was free, but because they were searching for a specific experience.
I've said it ad nauseum: there are many, many, many private WoW servers. You're telling me it's purely coincidence that one of the most popular of these servers (Nost) literally left tons of extra expansion content on the cutting room floor compared to other (just as free) private servers... Yet they're much more popular than those other servers because they have a specific brand of free that, what, smells better?
Blizzard is a slow moving organization, but a comment on legacy servers SHOULD be made this year. No comment means they are trying to sweep the issue under the rug so a reaction by Nost is warranted.
You're saying that the team who was doing something illegal is justified in their reaction if the issue is not further mentioned to the company's community? What???
Blizzard doesn't have to mention anything after having the project shut down which was operating without their consent. Dangerous times we live in when people actually try to justify illegal actions.
Not to open a can of worms, but blindly accepting laws and regulations is just as harmful as blindly attempting to justify illegal actions.
Society can and does, as a general rule, weed out laws and regulations that are deemed superfluous or detrimental.
Is this one of those times? I'm inclined to entertain the viewpoint that, if Nostalrius wasn't making any money off their endeavors, then they aren't much different from a Skyrim modder offering his work on the Nexus.
They asked for donations, which regardless of whether or not brought them profits, they still sought money for the project: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3903 And even if they hadn't, it still isn't comparable to modding. Someone using a mod for Skyrim still needs to buy the base game. The modder isn't taking anything away from Bethesda. With private servers for an mmo, the people are essentially running an alternate version of the game, taking potential customers away from the game's actual developer/publisher. How many people played Nos because they wanted a Vanilla experience, and how many people played because it was free WoW?
True, they don't charge for the base game... Because, quite frankly, other than any value a legacy server would give Blizzard, the market value of base WoW is approximately nothing.
Can you honestly submit that no Skyrim modder took any kind of money for their work, ever? not even a mod support community that may have thrown a few bucks his way to help out because of how much they enjoyed his modding work? Because for the principle in your counter-example to hold true, it requires that level of integrity throughout the claim.
EDIT- To put it another way, you don't see a lot of lawsuits against folks reverse engineering car parts to or from Ford or GM because those companies have since moved on to an updated version of their offerings that are worth far more than trifling with car enthusiasts that may be using GM's 1995 Sierra chassis in a way GM had not intended at manufacturing (i.e. drag racing).
I love how we are actually discussing the integrity of these thieves like it's an actual concern.
Or the integrity of this site. Painting up some people to look like a nemesis when they have done nothing but be compliant since they showed up in the news.
For the record: I still have yet to take part in a private server. I've just been a long time hopeful. I'm not lining up to be a hero in gaming history, but I appreciate people who take risks like this. (like setting up a community for fans, what evil people) I hate current WoW and its impossible for it return to the glory I enjoyed. If they did, they would have an entirely different angry mob on their hands.
FFS , you want to use Integrity in defense of thieves ,Nos were misrepresenting a product and stealing along with any of the bottomfeeders that used there service ....
If people were really willing to spend on vanilla, wouldn't Wildstar have done better? Though, I am confused why Blizzard hasn't upped the free play from level 20 to at least level 60...
They asked for donations, which regardless of whether or not brought them profits, they still sought money for the project: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3903 And even if they hadn't, it still isn't comparable to modding. Someone using a mod for Skyrim still needs to buy the base game. The modder isn't taking anything away from Bethesda. With private servers for an mmo, the people are essentially running an alternate version of the game, taking potential customers away from the game's actual developer/publisher. How many people played Nos because they wanted a Vanilla experience, and how many people played because it was free WoW?
True, they don't charge for the base game... Because, quite frankly, other than any value a legacy server would give Blizzard, the market value of base WoW is approximately nothing.
Can you honestly submit that no Skyrim modder took any kind of money for their work, ever? not even a mod support community that may have thrown a few bucks his way to help out because of how much they enjoyed his modding work? Because for the principle in your counter-example to hold true, it requires that level of integrity throughout the claim.
It doesn't matter if a Skyrim modder makes money from their mod. That doesn't take anything away from Bethesda. Anyone using the mod still has to buy the Skyrim base game, and Bethesda makes their money from the base game. Skyrim mods are the equivalent of Warcraft add-ons. And Blizz has no problem with the overwhelming majority of third-party add-ons. Private servers are not comparable to mods or add-ons though. People can play on a private server and completely bypass both the box price of the game, as well as the monthly subscription fee, making it a loss for the publisher/developer.
They asked for donations, which regardless of whether or not brought them profits, they still sought money for the project: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3903 And even if they hadn't, it still isn't comparable to modding. Someone using a mod for Skyrim still needs to buy the base game. The modder isn't taking anything away from Bethesda. With private servers for an mmo, the people are essentially running an alternate version of the game, taking potential customers away from the game's actual developer/publisher. How many people played Nos because they wanted a Vanilla experience, and how many people played because it was free WoW?
True, they don't charge for the base game... Because, quite frankly, other than any value a legacy server would give Blizzard, the market value of base WoW is approximately nothing.
Can you honestly submit that no Skyrim modder took any kind of money for their work, ever? not even a mod support community that may have thrown a few bucks his way to help out because of how much they enjoyed his modding work? Because for the principle in your counter-example to hold true, it requires that level of integrity throughout the claim.
It doesn't matter if a Skyrim modder makes money from their mod. That doesn't take anything away from Bethesda. Anyone using the mod still has to buy the Skyrim base game, and Bethesda makes their money from the base game. Skyrim mods are the equivalent of Warcraft add-ons. And Blizz has no problem with the overwhelming majority of third-party add-ons. Private servers are not comparable to mods or add-ons though. People can play on a private server and completely bypass both the box price of the game, as well as the monthly subscription fee, making it a loss for the publisher/developer.
I agree with you technically, but the realist in me wonders what the sales figures for base WoW were right after they shut down Nost. I'd be willing to bet the house (literally, my house) the numbers weren't even noticeable in the larger scheme of all-things-WoW-making-money-for-Blizzard. I'd be willing to bet good money that if you added up all the sales figures from base WoW box sales since, say, MoP... All of those combined wouldn't even be a noticeable drop in the bucket of what Blizz made off of any particular one of those expansions alone... That's the realistic view of what base WoW is worth to Blizzard and Activision: any lawsuit pursued against private servers could perceivably cost them about what they've lost since MoP to the very private servers they threaten to litigate against!
If people were really willing to spend on vanilla, wouldn't Wildstar have done better? Though, I am confused why Blizzard hasn't upped the free play from level 20 to at least level 60...
Wildstar's gameplay is much closer to post-Cata WoW than vanilla. 40-man raids and grindy endgame are not enough to make it appeal to vanilla WoW crowd.
I'm willing to believe Blizz won't make any announcements regarding legacy realms until their ship has sunk completely, and i really hope it won't take too long.
I love how we are actually discussing the integrity of these thieves like it's an actual concern.
Or the integrity of this site. Painting up some people to look like a nemesis when they have done nothing but be compliant since they showed up in the news.
For the record: I still have yet to take part in a private server. I've just been a long time hopeful. I'm not lining up to be a hero in gaming history, but I appreciate people who take risks like this. (like setting up a community for fans, what evil people) I hate current WoW and its impossible for it return to the glory I enjoyed. If they did, they would have an entirely different angry mob on their hands.
FFS , you want to use Integrity in defense of thieves ,Nos were misrepresenting a product and stealing along with any of the bottomfeeders that used there service ....
No, do not take it out of context further. Read my original complaint with this article.
Happily playing Vanilla and BC WoW, again, since September 2016.
If people were really willing to spend on vanilla, wouldn't Wildstar have done better? Though, I am confused why Blizzard hasn't upped the free play from level 20 to at least level 60...
I don't see your logic here. I played vanilla wow and don't see why that would make me want to have anything to do with Wildstar. What insight do you have to my thinking that makes you think I would have gone for Wildstar?
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You actually agreed with me here. The only "new" news to this was Brack's post to the forums. This whole article is click bait and bad reporting.
SBFord further drove my point home with,
"Yep but the new "fly in the ointment" is the threat by the Nostalrius team that they'll release the code. It worked once. I don't think it'll work again. Bad play on their part, I think."
Further muddying the waters, when in actuality there is nothing new about it. That was the original letter before the meeting with Blizzard.
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To the surprise of no one. If the Nostalrius people ever want to play any further part in the implementation of vanilla servers, threatening Blizzard with releasing the server code is a goofy way to go about it. *facepalm*
They have not threatened to release the code since they took it down. They threatened to talk about what they discussed with blizzard recently. Read their post on their website, avoid your own bias when reporting: profit.
Agreed. I find it quite offensive that this is taken out of context.
Letter threatening to release code - Before the meeting with Blizzard
WTF MMORPG.COM!!
lol yeah. If you think Nos has taken the nuclear option off the table you're being naive. Other than that the easily offended are... often offended.
I come here for news. The opinions I get from the comments, unless its a review. If you aren't disappointed by how this news was delivered could you at least wipe the brown off your nose.
Is this the Fox News gaming site or MSNBC one?
What everyone has taken such umbrage at is a comment I made...you know, in the COMMENT section. The article has no editorial content in it at all. I, like everyone else here, have an opinion and am entitled to post about my own thoughts on the presented news. Don't tell me you expect me to have a "stealth" account so that I can actually offer my own take on news?
The things referenced in the quotes above this post are from comments I made in response to the news. Let's be clear: There is a separation from the straight up news and, as you so eloquently put it, "the opinions I get from the comments" which is PRECISELY where I added my thoughts.
It's comical really that you say it is just your comment. No, in your article you bring up a blizz post, but then go back to Nostalrius' original post about releasing source code, intentionally skipping more recent posts from Nostalrius about NOT releasing source code. You lay this out in your article not the comment.
You simply reinforce this with your comment.
Instead of making this post about why or why not Blizzard is delaying, you again make it about Nostalrius.
You really have become quite the Blizzard activist, eh SBFord? LOL. Take a look in the mirror when you point the finger at us for wanting legacy servers... so are so passionate for Blizzard's current WoW offering you will go to any extent to smear anyone wanting something different from Blizzard! Pot, meet Kettle.
They asked for donations, which regardless of whether or not brought them profits, they still sought money for the project: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3903 And even if they hadn't, it still isn't comparable to modding. Someone using a mod for Skyrim still needs to buy the base game. The modder isn't taking anything away from Bethesda. With private servers for an mmo, the people are essentially running an alternate version of the game, taking potential customers away from the game's actual developer/publisher. How many people played Nos because they wanted a Vanilla experience, and how many people played because it was free WoW?
True, they don't charge for the base game... Because, quite frankly, other than any value a legacy server would give Blizzard, the market value of base WoW is approximately nothing.
Can you honestly submit that no Skyrim modder took any kind of money for their work, ever? not even a mod support community that may have thrown a few bucks his way to help out because of how much they enjoyed his modding work? Because for the principle in your counter-example to hold true, it requires that level of integrity throughout the claim.
It doesn't matter if a Skyrim modder makes money from their mod. That doesn't take anything away from Bethesda. Anyone using the mod still has to buy the Skyrim base game, and Bethesda makes their money from the base game. Skyrim mods are the equivalent of Warcraft add-ons. And Blizz has no problem with the overwhelming majority of third-party add-ons. Private servers are not comparable to mods or add-ons though. People can play on a private server and completely bypass both the box price of the game, as well as the monthly subscription fee, making it a loss for the publisher/developer.
I'm not advocating anything, but isn't be base game free when you F2P until lvl 20?
Do you have to purchase the base game or do you just sub to attain level 60?
If people were really willing to spend on vanilla, wouldn't Wildstar have done better? Though, I am confused why Blizzard hasn't upped the free play from level 20 to at least level 60...
I don't see your logic here. I played vanilla wow and don't see why that would make me want to have anything to do with Wildstar. What insight do you have to my thinking that makes you think I would have gone for Wildstar?
Mostly BC of hard raids and 40 people in them.
if it wasn't action combat, insane particle effect, was optimized, and not so quest hubbed, I actually would have loved it.
But how many of those people demanding the return of Nostalrius would actually pay $15 per month to play on a Vanilla WoW server? I again say the real reason behind a Legacy server is Playing For Free (P4F). When those 100.000 registered Nostalrius accounts return and pay $15 / month (for say 3 years) then that will be news worth. I really expect the Nostalrius community to demand F2P with out a cash shop. Because they don't want to spend any money and still play an MMO.
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Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
I would be surprised if they don't even have the vanilla code anymore. Vanilla was in 2005. That's over 10 years ago.
Not even big firms has a requirement to retain data for that long (not to mentioned that they would probably struggle to find the backup devices that still works with the tapes that the use to backup servers). 10 years ago you are talking about LTO1 or 2. Now you are talking about LTO6 - not to mentioned that some places don't even do tape backup from frontend anymore.
I would be surprised if they don't even have the vanilla code anymore. Vanilla was in 2005. That's over 10 years ago.
Not even big firms has a requirement to retain data for that long (not to mentioned that they would probably struggle to find the backup devices that still works with the tapes that the use to backup servers). 10 years ago you are talking about LTO1 or 2. Now you are talking about LTO6 - not to mentioned that some places don't even do tape backup from frontend anymore.
It honestly just shows how careless they are if they aren't upgrading old code storage methods as new ones are being introduced each time. That's quite a bit of lost money to over look by not doing it.
If people were really willing to spend on vanilla, wouldn't Wildstar have done better? Though, I am confused why Blizzard hasn't upped the free play from level 20 to at least level 60...
But how many of those people demanding the return of Nostalrius would actually pay $15 per month to play on a Vanilla WoW server? I again say the real reason behind a Legacy server is Playing For Free (P4F). When those 100.000 registered Nostalrius accounts return and pay $15 / month (for say 3 years) then that will be news worth. I really expect the Nostalrius community to demand F2P with out a cash shop. Because they don't want to spend any money and still play an MMO.
This entire line of thought doesn't really make sense when, as I mentioned in my post above, there are plenty of free to play options that are newer than vanilla World of Warcraft. The primary motivation to play a 10-year-old version of the game is because you like the game, not because you're too cheap to pay for it. And there's no reason I can think of that the Nostalrius community would think it's in their best interest to demand a f2p version of the game from Blizzard when they could just go play on another private server were that their desire. What that community wants is an official version of the vanilla experience, and for that to happen Blizzard would obviously need to charge a fee.
So the argument is that because there are other games that are F2P people who play on private servers are actually there because they want to play vanilla WoW.
I believe that it is two-fold . People who play on private servers play there because it is free and because they want to play vanilla WoW. One does not exclude the other. It does not mean they do not play other F2P games you have no proof and no way of showing that the very same players do not play other F2P games. I believe there are people who simply will not pay for games and these private servers are perfect for those individuals. I don't see how your argument discounts a cheapskate vanilla WoW fan.
There is however one very good proof that they are not willing to pay. The petition that could not summon up sufficient signatures because they were not happy about the prospect of paying for the Blizzard servers. That was quite clear in the small numbers that signed up indicating a willingness to pay for what they use.
It doesn't matter if a Skyrim modder makes money from their mod. That doesn't take anything away from Bethesda. Anyone using the mod still has to buy the Skyrim base game, and Bethesda makes their money from the base game. Skyrim mods are the equivalent of Warcraft add-ons. And Blizz has no problem with the overwhelming majority of third-party add-ons. Private servers are not comparable to mods or add-ons though. People can play on a private server and completely bypass both the box price of the game, as well as the monthly subscription fee, making it a loss for the publisher/developer.
I'm not advocating anything, but isn't be base game free when you F2P until lvl 20?
Do you have to purchase the base game or do you just sub to attain level 60?
They have a free trial up to level 20 which is called the Starter Edition. If you want to continue beyond the free trial, you have to upgrade to a regular account, which requires purchasing the base game for $19.99.
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Society can and does, as a general rule, weed out laws and regulations that are deemed superfluous or detrimental.
Is this one of those times? I'm inclined to entertain the viewpoint that, if Nostalrius wasn't making any money off their endeavors, then they aren't much different from a Skyrim modder offering his work on the Nexus.
For the record: I still have yet to take part in a private server. I've just been a long time hopeful. I'm not lining up to be a hero in gaming history, but I appreciate people who take risks like this. (like setting up a community for fans, what evil people) I hate current WoW and its impossible for it return to the glory I enjoyed. If they did, they would have an entirely different angry mob on their hands.
I've said it ad nauseum: there are many, many, many private WoW servers. You're telling me it's purely coincidence that one of the most popular of these servers (Nost) literally left tons of extra expansion content on the cutting room floor compared to other (just as free) private servers... Yet they're much more popular than those other servers because they have a specific brand of free that, what, smells better?
Can you honestly submit that no Skyrim modder took any kind of money for their work, ever? not even a mod support community that may have thrown a few bucks his way to help out because of how much they enjoyed his modding work? Because for the principle in your counter-example to hold true, it requires that level of integrity throughout the claim.
EDIT- To put it another way, you don't see a lot of lawsuits against folks reverse engineering car parts to or from Ford or GM because those companies have since moved on to an updated version of their offerings that are worth far more than trifling with car enthusiasts that may be using GM's 1995 Sierra chassis in a way GM had not intended at manufacturing (i.e. drag racing).
I'm willing to believe Blizz won't make any announcements regarding legacy realms until their ship has sunk completely, and i really hope it won't take too long.
I don't see your logic here. I played vanilla wow and don't see why that would make me want to have anything to do with Wildstar. What insight do you have to my thinking that makes you think I would have gone for Wildstar?
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FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
"No news here, this was already known"
You actually agreed with me here. The only "new" news to this was Brack's post to the forums.
This whole article is click bait and bad reporting.
SBFord further drove my point home with,
"Yep but the new "fly in the ointment" is the threat by the Nostalrius team that they'll release the code. It worked once. I don't think it'll work again. Bad play on their part, I think."
Further muddying the waters, when in actuality there is nothing new about it. That was the original letter before the meeting with Blizzard.
You simply reinforce this with your comment.
Instead of making this post about why or why not Blizzard is delaying, you again make it about Nostalrius.
You really have become quite the Blizzard activist, eh SBFord? LOL. Take a look in the mirror when you point the finger at us for wanting legacy servers... so are so passionate for Blizzard's current WoW offering you will go to any extent to smear anyone wanting something different from Blizzard! Pot, meet Kettle.
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Mostly BC of hard raids and 40 people in them.
if it wasn't action combat, insane particle effect, was optimized, and not so quest hubbed, I actually would have loved it.
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Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Not even big firms has a requirement to retain data for that long (not to mentioned that they would probably struggle to find the backup devices that still works with the tapes that the use to backup servers). 10 years ago you are talking about LTO1 or 2. Now you are talking about LTO6 - not to mentioned that some places don't even do tape backup from frontend anymore.
I believe that it is two-fold . People who play on private servers play there because it is free and because they want to play vanilla WoW. One does not exclude the other. It does not mean they do not play other F2P games you have no proof and no way of showing that the very same players do not play other F2P games. I believe there are people who simply will not pay for games and these private servers are perfect for those individuals. I don't see how your argument discounts a cheapskate vanilla WoW fan.
There is however one very good proof that they are not willing to pay. The petition that could not summon up sufficient signatures because they were not happy about the prospect of paying for the Blizzard servers. That was quite clear in the small numbers that signed up indicating a willingness to pay for what they use.