I wish you guys had used a different game then
TitanFall. I keep seeing TitanFall 2 and I just want to explode. I am
trying not to
Doest matter, Titanfall 2 is actually very accurate representation of relative performance of the cards.
1070= 1.4 470 performance and 2.35 470 price 1070= 1.3 480 performance and 2.0 480 price
1070 is "sweet spot" only for someone working for NVidia or peddling NVidia cards. For gamers its actually WORSE than last gen because NVidia raised the prices.
Can't ever really compare price/performance when you are cutting across the price tiers. There's always a premium for the performance of a higher tiered card. Historically, cards in the $150-225 range seem to have fared best if you are just looking at price/performance ratio, and once you start looking at better performance than that range in a given generation, the price goes up a lot faster than the performance.
No. last gen 970 was < 299$ card and 390 was a bit faster and generally a bit more expencive, but also around 300$. and those were best price/performance cards which was reflected in those being most popular cards.
NVidia raised prices and 1070 is now > 400$. Its mid tier card with high end price, and, consequently abbysmal performance/price.
OTOH, RX480 (which would be called 480x in old naming fashion and 470 would be 480) has exactly same price as 380x but is ~50% faster. Same with 470.
If NVidia did same as AMD, 1070 would be 329$ at highest price just as 970 was.
1070 is only ~30% faster than 480, so what exactly are you paying double for (199$ vs 399$)
and yeah, i leave 1080 out of discussion because its so absurdly bad in performance/price thats its really insulting for intelligence.
I wish you guys had used a different game then
TitanFall. I keep seeing TitanFall 2 and I just want to explode. I am
trying not to
Doest matter, Titanfall 2 is actually very accurate representation of relative performance of the cards.
Lol
More Zealot lick spittle
I buy what ever the fuck I want to buy. If and when AMD comes out with a flagship card that outperforms the competition, I'll have one within a week and I'll pay wholesale for it just like I did with my 1080 and all the other cards before it since the old 3dfx Voodoo days.
No. last gen 970 was < 299$ card and 390 was a bit faster and generally a bit more expencive, but also around 300$. and those were best price/performance cards which reflected in that those were most popular cards.
NVidia raised prices and 1070 is now > 400$. Its mid tier card with high end price, and, consequently abbysmal performance/price.
OTOH, RX480 (which would be called 480x in old naming fashion and 470 would be 480) has exactly same price as 380x but is ~50% faster. Same with 470.
If NVidia did same as AMD, 1070 would be 329$ at highest price just as 970 was.
1070 is only ~30% faster than 480, so what exactly are you paying double for (199$ vs 399$)
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Too bad really.
I was looking forward to purchasing a new AMD card myself. But Nvidia didn't just sit on their hands and gave us a fairly strong counter. Given Nvidia's track record I decided to go with them. I hope AMD pulls through but not before Christmas for sure.
I mean we are speaking about AMD who makes all kinds of cpu/apu/gpu and their net worth is 6 billion.
Meanwhile Nvidia does basically nothing but GPU's and they are worth 35 billion. It is just safer for me to go with something that solid.
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Too bad really.
I was looking forward to purchasing a new AMD card myself. But Nvidia didn't just sit on their hands and gave us a fairly strong counter. Given Nvidia's track record I decided to go with them. I hope AMD pulls through but not before Christmas for sure.
I mean we are speaking about AMD who makes all kinds of cpu/apu/gpu and their net worth is 6 billion.
Meanwhile Nvidia does basically nothing but GPU's and they are worth 35 billion. It is just safer for me to go with something that solid.
I always buy high end. If I was ever looking for a mid range I'd strongly consider AMD.
Back in the old ATI days, I used to hope for them to be the market leader because they were a Canadian Company. Back in 2003-2004 ATI was for a single gpu generation.
At the same time AMD also had a winner with their Athlon, which I happily switched to from Intel at the time.
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Too bad really.
I was looking forward to purchasing a new AMD card myself. But Nvidia didn't just sit on their hands and gave us a fairly strong counter. Given Nvidia's track record I decided to go with them. I hope AMD pulls through but not before Christmas for sure.
I mean we are speaking about AMD who makes all kinds of cpu/apu/gpu and their net worth is 6 billion.
Meanwhile Nvidia does basically nothing but GPU's and they are worth 35 billion. It is just safer for me to go with something that solid.
I totally agree with your first paragraph there - AMD has a good product in Polaris, but nVidia has a very strong product in Pascal too. I tend to think that nVidia puts too much of a price premium on their brand name, and that helps to keep AMD competitive.
I did purchase an RX 470 not too long ago for my wife, it replaced a GTX 660. Very nice upgrade, very good card, and it matched exactly the price, performance, and physical profile I was looking for. My last rebuild of my own computer, I purchased a GTX980, it replaced a 6970. The 6970 ran just shy of 5 years and was still capable of doing High settings on most games at the time when it was replaced. But when I was looking at replacements, the 980 fit profile I was looking for better than AMD did at the time.
All in all, I have more driver trouble on the nVidia rig (both with the 980 and the older 660) than I ever did with either of the AMD products (the 6970 I can't think of any problems with to be honest, the RX 470 hasn't given me any problems yet). The 980 is much quieter than the 6970 was, but a good deal of that is years worth of evolution in power management and cooling tech - the RX 470 is quieter than the 660 was.
I don't know that I put too much stock into the net worth of the various companies. I would be concerned if it looked like AMD was about to go out of business, but I don't think that's the case. They may get bought by another company, but I hardly think they will just dissolve completely and leave every AMD owner in a bind. I don't know where you got your numbers, looking at the Market based on previously reported earnings statemtents: AMD is at an annual revenue of about $4B with nVidia at $5B - compared to companies like Texas Instruments at $13B, Qualcomm at $15B, Intel's $55B, or Apple's $214B, which are probably the major competition when it comes to this type of consumer-level chip design and marketing.
If you based your GPU selection on just the financial strength of the company, you'd be gaming on your A10 Fusion.
Source for annual revenue: Marketwatch Annual Income Statements.
Also, as far as nVidia doing nothing but GPUs...
They are leveraging their GPU technology quite effectively, but they are trying to expand a lot of markets besides just the Graphics market (which consists of the GeForce and Quadro brands): Tesla - for rack-based HPC DRIVE - marketed for Vehicle/Media control DGX - marketed for "Deep Learning" Tegra - for mobile devices Grid - for cloud-based HPC Shield - basically just a platform to showcase Tegra, but serves the end-user market directly
Yes, all of those use tech based on their GPU, but they are defintiely not graphics markets that are served by GPUs. Right now, a lot of this has investors excitied, because it could possibly represent additional growth vectors for the company (which right now is heavily dependant on the consumer GPU market, which by all appearances doesn't appear to have great prospects for growth, given that the PC market in general has been in decline for a while now).
That's all just based on investor speculation though, and it could result in excellent growth for nVidia. It also could flop, and be seen as wasted capital. Remember when Intel announced Atom: investors were very excited that a big name was getting into mobile computing.. but investor excitement alone couldn't make it work as a viable product in the market segment.
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Too bad really.
And thats what makes you just another brainless NVidia fanboi.
The standing line of NVidia court history warrants no prejudice: they BS whenever they open their mouth,
just look at Async and whole DX12/Vulkan fiasco and them threatening dev that exposed their lies. and thats at same time they were convicted for false advertising GTX970.
chooo choo, board the NVidia PR BS fanboi train with laserit!
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Too bad really.
And thats what makes you just another brainless NVidia fanboi.
The standing line of NVidia court history warrants no prejudice: they BS whenever they open their mouth,
just look at Async and whole DX12/Vulkan fiasco and them threatening dev that exposed their lies. and thats at same time they were convicted for false advertising GTX970.
chooo choo, board the NVidia PR BS fanboi train with laserit!
Every company has some bullcrap that they have caused by making a bad move. Overall both companies seem to be respectable and deliver nice products. They also both have their list of lemons. Remember one of the rx's key points was how little power they used. That ended up being greatly exaggerated by AMD. Things like that happen its just how marketing rolls sometimes.
IDK why noone is talking about the fact that the 480 crossfire is actually working like promised. It is just as fast as the GTX 1080 in most cases. Will cost you 200$ cheaper. The downside is it draws 2x the power as the 1080 and has very high noise.
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Too bad really.
And thats what makes you just another brainless NVidia fanboi.
The standing line of NVidia court history warrants no prejudice: they BS whenever they open their mouth,
just look at Async and whole DX12/Vulkan fiasco and them threatening dev that exposed their lies. and thats at same time they were convicted for false advertising GTX970.
chooo choo, board the NVidia PR BS fanboi train with laserit!
I wish you guys had used a different game then
TitanFall. I keep seeing TitanFall 2 and I just want to explode. I am
trying not to
Doest matter, Titanfall 2 is actually very accurate representation of relative performance of the cards.
1070= 1.4 470 performance and 2.35 470 price 1070= 1.3 480 performance and 2.0 480 price
1070 is "sweet spot" only for someone working for NVidia or peddling NVidia cards. For gamers its actually WORSE than last gen because NVidia raised the prices.
when you decide to Benchmark ARMA 3 let me know
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Yeah, its a post history of someone who has extensive knowlegde of both brands debunking fanbois like you and the lot.
I respect @Quizzical and @Ridelynn opinions on such things, they seem very knowledgeable and unbiased. Anything of value that you might have to say seems to be mired in bias and prejudice, almost a hatred.
Too bad really.
And thats what makes you just another brainless NVidia fanboi.
The standing line of NVidia court history warrants no prejudice: they BS whenever they open their mouth,
just look at Async and whole DX12/Vulkan fiasco and them threatening dev that exposed their lies. and thats at same time they were convicted for false advertising GTX970.
chooo choo, board the NVidia PR BS fanboi train with laserit!
good, you cant even defend that as, guess what: those are facts lol
you seem to have great difficulty with word prejudice as you heard it and dont really know what it means, you just think it makes you look smart...but when you completely missuse words like that it does complete opposite rofl
Or lets take it to another level. lets test properly optimized game like Doom
but no, lets mention those few completely broken games as "proof", instead throwing tose away until they fix them ROFL (and then wonder why almost every game releases in mostly broken state - idiot logic lol)
ive posted benches of 26 games so - tough luck for you.
Or lets take it to another level. lets test properly optimized game like Doom
but no, lets mention those few completely broken games as "proof", instead throwing tose away until they fix them ROFL (and then wonder why almost every game releases in mostly broken state - idiot logic lol)
ive posted benches of 26 games so - tough luck for you.
TitanFall 2 is broken best I can tell, ARMA 3 I have literally never had any problem with so I dont know what your smoking.
anyway, just let me know when it happens. thanks
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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chooo choo, board the NVidia PR BS train with laserit!
Doest matter, Titanfall 2 is actually very accurate representation of relative performance of the cards.
1070= 1.4 470 performance and 2.35 470 price
1070= 1.3 480 performance and 2.0 480 price
1070 is "sweet spot" only for someone working for NVidia or peddling NVidia cards. For gamers its actually WORSE than last gen because NVidia raised the prices.
NVidia raised prices and 1070 is now > 400$. Its mid tier card with high end price, and, consequently abbysmal performance/price.
OTOH, RX480 (which would be called 480x in old naming fashion and 470 would be 480) has exactly same price as 380x but is ~50% faster. Same with 470.
If NVidia did same as AMD, 1070 would be 329$ at highest price just as 970 was.
1070 is only ~30% faster than 480, so what exactly are you paying double for (199$ vs 399$)
and yeah, i leave 1080 out of discussion because its so absurdly bad in performance/price thats its really insulting for intelligence.
More Zealot lick spittle
I buy what ever the fuck I want to buy. If and when AMD comes out with a flagship card that outperforms the competition, I'll have one within a week and I'll pay wholesale for it just like I did with my 1080 and all the other cards before it since the old 3dfx Voodoo days.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Post history tells all.
Your post history shows that you can't even promote your brand without dumping on the evil competition.
Just like a true Zealot
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
i had NVidia card until 2 weeks ago genious, OTOH you never had ATI/AMD card in your life.
Your definition of brand fanboi who spreads BS PR over media.
Post History Tells All
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Too bad really.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I mean we are speaking about AMD who makes all kinds of cpu/apu/gpu and their net worth is 6 billion.
Meanwhile Nvidia does basically nothing but GPU's and they are worth 35 billion. It is just safer for me to go with something that solid.
Back in the old ATI days, I used to hope for them to be the market leader because they were a Canadian Company. Back in 2003-2004 ATI was for a single gpu generation.
At the same time AMD also had a winner with their Athlon, which I happily switched to from Intel at the time.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I totally agree with your first paragraph there - AMD has a good product in Polaris, but nVidia has a very strong product in Pascal too. I tend to think that nVidia puts too much of a price premium on their brand name, and that helps to keep AMD competitive.
I did purchase an RX 470 not too long ago for my wife, it replaced a GTX 660. Very nice upgrade, very good card, and it matched exactly the price, performance, and physical profile I was looking for. My last rebuild of my own computer, I purchased a GTX980, it replaced a 6970. The 6970 ran just shy of 5 years and was still capable of doing High settings on most games at the time when it was replaced. But when I was looking at replacements, the 980 fit profile I was looking for better than AMD did at the time.
All in all, I have more driver trouble on the nVidia rig (both with the 980 and the older 660) than I ever did with either of the AMD products (the 6970 I can't think of any problems with to be honest, the RX 470 hasn't given me any problems yet). The 980 is much quieter than the 6970 was, but a good deal of that is years worth of evolution in power management and cooling tech - the RX 470 is quieter than the 660 was.
I don't know that I put too much stock into the net worth of the various companies. I would be concerned if it looked like AMD was about to go out of business, but I don't think that's the case. They may get bought by another company, but I hardly think they will just dissolve completely and leave every AMD owner in a bind. I don't know where you got your numbers, looking at the Market based on previously reported earnings statemtents: AMD is at an annual revenue of about $4B with nVidia at $5B - compared to companies like Texas Instruments at $13B, Qualcomm at $15B, Intel's $55B, or Apple's $214B, which are probably the major competition when it comes to this type of consumer-level chip design and marketing.
If you based your GPU selection on just the financial strength of the company, you'd be gaming on your A10 Fusion.
Source for annual revenue: Marketwatch Annual Income Statements.
Also, as far as nVidia doing nothing but GPUs...
They are leveraging their GPU technology quite effectively, but they are trying to expand a lot of markets besides just the Graphics market (which consists of the GeForce and Quadro brands):
Tesla - for rack-based HPC
DRIVE - marketed for Vehicle/Media control
DGX - marketed for "Deep Learning"
Tegra - for mobile devices
Grid - for cloud-based HPC
Shield - basically just a platform to showcase Tegra, but serves the end-user market directly
Yes, all of those use tech based on their GPU, but they are defintiely not graphics markets that are served by GPUs. Right now, a lot of this has investors excitied, because it could possibly represent additional growth vectors for the company (which right now is heavily dependant on the consumer GPU market, which by all appearances doesn't appear to have great prospects for growth, given that the PC market in general has been in decline for a while now).
That's all just based on investor speculation though, and it could result in excellent growth for nVidia. It also could flop, and be seen as wasted capital. Remember when Intel announced Atom: investors were very excited that a big name was getting into mobile computing.. but investor excitement alone couldn't make it work as a viable product in the market segment.
The standing line of NVidia court history warrants no prejudice: they BS whenever they open their mouth,
just look at Async and whole DX12/Vulkan fiasco and them threatening dev that exposed their lies. and thats at same time they were convicted for false advertising GTX970.
IDK why noone is talking about the fact that the 480 crossfire is actually working like promised. It is just as fast as the GTX 1080 in most cases. Will cost you 200$ cheaper. The downside is it draws 2x the power as the 1080 and has very high noise.
NVidia completely lied about their cards capabilites in DX12/Vulkan.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
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Maybe No Mans Sky-lie to lololololololololololol
you seem to have great difficulty with word prejudice as you heard it and dont really know what it means, you just think it makes you look smart...but when you completely missuse words like that it does complete opposite rofl
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Or lets take it to another level. lets test properly optimized game like Doom
but no, lets mention those few completely broken games as "proof", instead throwing tose away until they fix them ROFL (and then wonder why almost every game releases in mostly broken state - idiot logic lol)
ive posted benches of 26 games so - tough luck for you.
anyway, just let me know when it happens. thanks
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No wonder they dont even bother fixing games any more when they have customers like you lol