They can't blame it all on the state of MMOs. I've been lurking here for a long time... and there is a major decline in quality on this site. Sometimes days will go by with no update at all yet other sites have updates daily on mmos. Mmorpg.com simply is dropping the ball and kicking their feet up on the desk to relax.
You're kidding, right? We have news daily, even weekends, and more articles than any other sites in our genre.
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....Kopogero who was in fact one of the most informative, helpful and experienced members here. He was one great example that MMO's did need a change from how they were build for the last 5+ years.
You have to be fucking kidding me right now.
Hint... the OP is Kopogero on alt account as his main got banned.
Precisely. But I do appreciate the suggestions and opinions this thread has brought forward to engage the community in a more direct manner.
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... For years the community on this forum has had the tendency of being more negative towards gaming as a whole...
For years the gaming community as a whole (not just at this site) has had the tendency of being more negative towards any new games that launch. Now we're reaping the results of the complainers. @BillMurphy made a comment about how he thinks one day the Triple AAA money will return. It's not going to return guys. Triple AAA's are done. We destroyed too many of them, they failed, and now no one is making them. That ship has sailed. Not to say that there were no flaws in those games, but look, there's nothing on the horizon guys.
For years the gaming community as a whole (not just at this site) has had the tendency of being more negative towards any new games that launch. Now we're reaping the results of the complainers. @BillMurphy made a comment about how he thinks one day the Triple AAA money will return. It's not going to return guys. Triple AAA's are done. We destroyed too many of them, they failed, and now no one is making them. That ship has sailed. Not to say that there were no flaws in those games, but look, there's nothing on the horizon guys.
New World is precisely that - a AAA big money MMORPG.
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I stand corrected then Bill. I'm vaguely familiar with this game. I remember reading an article about it on this site. I remember reading sandbox and then I immediately stopped reading. I can't speak for others, but when I read sandbox I think open world PVP all the time. It immediately turns me off to the game. Apparently I don't associate sandbox with triple AAA MMO.
I have been on this site since 2003 also, and for some reason still love reading it at least once daily for any updates on upcoming and current MMOs. Even though I am sick of the genre at the moment, I still like to keep up to date and I think this site has always done an awesome job with doing that.
The fact that MMORPG.com chose to increase the scope of content is very analogous to political elections (leave aside the us vs. them discussions of this election. It's not the point). Do you try to increase your vote by broadening your appeal (adding content outside of MMOs) or do you focus on your core constituency to get them to vote (Focus more on MMO content).
In this case, they chose the former. Only MMORPG.com can determine whether the decision was correct. Hopefully, they are willing to re-evaluate and see which direction they should pursue going forward. Neither one is the perfect answer. Execution is as much a part of success as the general direction.
They can't blame it all on the state of MMOs. I've been lurking here for a long time... and there is a major decline in quality on this site. Sometimes days will go by with no update at all yet other sites have updates daily on mmos. Mmorpg.com simply is dropping the ball and kicking their feet up on the desk to relax.
You're kidding, right? We have news daily, even weekends, and more articles than any other sites in our genre.
I personally find my news on the front page 'Current Forum Activity' and the right side 'MMORPG.com Exclusives' and ignore the scrolling news feature spotlight wheel. I recall the front page showing more current forum activity which led to me clicking on more things. Maybe im remembering wrong / bad memory
Currently a ton of articles that you write go to the bottom which requires you to scroll, or maybe you do put it in the feature scroll wheel but I personally don't notice em. Current Forum Activity should be expanded to show more posts, or an overhaul to the scrolling news wheel.
- This is coming from someone who stopped playing mmorpgs, and
distanced himself from mmorpg.com, and rarely clicks on any articles
from this site anymore.
JK but couldn't resist adapting what is apparently a winning slogan that starts with the premise that something that is in fact great is all fucked up.
It's my #1 goto site: same as it has been for a decade.
But what do you really expect a notorious banned raincloud to say in his alt account?
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Honestly, it's the genre itself. We're not immune to when the money goes out of the AAA MMO world. One day it'll return, and people will return. Until then, we do what we can and try to entertain you guys.
It is absolutely a reflection of the genre itself.....Also we dont need to be entertained, we need an awesome game world to explore!
This site definitely isn't top for MMO news (I use MOP for that)
I'd take mmorpg.com over massivelyop any day of the week.
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Apparently I don't associate sandbox with triple AAA MMO.
That's because there has never been a AAA sandbox MMO. New World from Amazon is going to be the first! It makes it quite exciting and could potentially revive the genre, but at the same time if it goes bad it could be another nail in the coffin for MMOs.
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I know I am not always the most positive poster and my sarcasm and
rapier wit can get old very fast sometimes, I do want to say that I
appreciate the work you folks are doing. I know it seems like a
thankless job sometimes, you post something about a game and half the
community tears it apart. It is not a job I would ever want to do, but
you folks do some damn fine work. The proof is that many of us have been coming here for 10+ years and that says a lot.
I dont know if it is just a case
of people on the outside always wanting to criticize something other
people are doing or maybe it is just the way the world is moving where
everyone hates the establishment and takes it out on anyone they run
into. Whatever it is, it does seem to get worse over time and it really
is not fair to you folks.
I guess what I am trying to say is, even though "at times" we might seem like a pack of ravenous dogs fighting over a bone, the bottom line is we love it here and we still come back year after year because it is the best MMO site out there!
Now go dye your hair pink, post some pics of it. [mod edit]
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"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
For popular games, maybe consider 3 forums. Lightside, Darkside, General?
Alternately 2 sections: Normal and Unmoderated.
The current setup is kind of a no-mans land where moderation is at times haphazard and uneven and really only serves to diminish the enjoyment of both supporters and detractors.
Also keep in mind that it is conflicting opinions that drive traffic to the forums. The forums are what differentiates this site from places like Massively(also a great site but generally just news and opinions with limited reader interaction). You should be focused on ways to spark debate and conversation.
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Honestly, it's the genre itself. We're not immune to when the money goes out of the AAA MMO world. One day it'll return, and people will return. Until then, we do what we can and try to entertain you guys.
I think you are right about it being the genre. I know around 40 mmo players that are not playing anymore but they have formed groups of Board game parties. Heck i'm having one at my house this weekend and i don't play alot but my friends do now and are trying to convert me into the fold. And i'm talking about the hardcore board games that have hours of campaigns to complete. I really think these board games are going to become the next big thing and you guys should think about adding a section to the site.
For popular games, maybe consider 3 forums. Lightside, Darkside, General?
Alternately 2 sections: Normal and Unmoderated.
The current setup is kind of a no-mans land where moderation is at times haphazard and uneven and really only serves to diminish the enjoyment of both supporters and detractors.
Also keep in mind that it is conflicting opinions that drive traffic to the forums. The forums are what differentiates this site from places like Massively(also a great site but generally just news and opinions with limited reader interaction). You should be focused on ways to spark debate and conversation.
You can have different opinions and debate without people acting like trash.
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For popular games, maybe consider 3 forums. Lightside, Darkside, General?
Alternately 2 sections: Normal and Unmoderated.
The current setup is kind of a no-mans land where moderation is at times haphazard and uneven and really only serves to diminish the enjoyment of both supporters and detractors.
Also keep in mind that it is conflicting opinions that drive traffic to the forums. The forums are what differentiates this site from places like Massively(also a great site but generally just news and opinions with limited reader interaction). You should be focused on ways to spark debate and conversation.
You can have different opinions and debate without people acting like trash.
Sure you can. I still stand by the concept that overly sensitive folks have tried to turn this into an mmo "safe space" and the result is a dramatic drop in forum participation. Official forums are a GREAT place for talking about how great a game a without being challenged. That niche is already well covered. The niche for MMORPG.COM is the one where folks can have sometimes contentious debates without the fear of someone calling for the hall monitor.
Unfortunately, as soon as someone starts to post anything even remotely combative (pro or con) they get reported and penalized. Folks need to understand that those conflicting opinions are the actual CONTENT of this site. We are now reaping what has been sowed. Visits and participation are way, way down. It's obvious to anyone who has been here for years.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
gamelist has a shitton of inactive games most of games on this site are not mmorpg getting warnings from mods.. provoking others in reacting in a negative matter? which considers trolling lawl
tbh there are better sites on the net that provide usefull info about mmorpgs only.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Honestly, it's the genre itself. We're not immune to when the money goes out of the AAA MMO world. One day it'll return, and people will return. Until then, we do what we can and try to entertain you guys.
Many dont need to comment for the website to be "alive" there are readers as well. I do not like subjective reviews tho, and seen a few posted by CM's, all games have pros cons and a number.
Overall you are doing a solid job, and people still come here to read the news, they are just not as involved as it used to be. May it be related with genre, or simply becouse they went numb on all the same discussions, its irrelevent.
What is important tho, as you put it, is that mmo's wont die, ever, they are just a large projects, which take time to be completed properly, and we need wait for them.
Fill in the blank space with single player and mobas we must untill a worthy adversary arrives to pull us from our lives.
You can have different opinions and debate without people acting like trash.
Sure you can. I still stand by the concept that overly sensitive folks have tried to turn this into an mmo "safe space" and the result is a dramatic drop in forum participation. Official forums are a GREAT place for talking about how great a game a without being challenged. That niche is already well covered. The niche for MMORPG.COM is the one where folks can have sometimes contentious debates without the fear of someone calling for the hall monitor.
Unfortunately, as soon as someone starts to post anything even remotely combative (pro or con) they get reported and penalized. Folks need to understand that those conflicting opinions are the actual CONTENT of this site. We are now reaping what has been sowed. Visits and participation are way, way down. It's obvious to anyone who has been here for years.
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks it that way. As I explained in my previous post, MMORPG.com was the place where people could vent their frustration about games, as doing so in the Official Forums is not possible. But now this forum is not any different from the Official Forums, you are not allowed to be too negative or to make multiple threads on the same subject, with Mods merging "negative" threads like there is not tomorrow so the positive threads far outnumber the negative ones pleasing developers and advertisers alike.
Your analysis is spot on in my opinion, that's exactly what I think it happened. The excuse that MMORPGs are in decline doesn't hold water. MMORPGs might be on the decline but MOBAs and other Online Games are on the rise and this site covers those as well.....and what about RPGs, are those in decline too? This site covers games played by tens of millions of players so potentially they have a huge base to work on. But unfortunately they screwed up their best asset.....the Forum.
I am sure the majority of people on this forum doesn't agree with this theory as they are the ones that drove this forum to be the way it is now, so I guess that's the way they like it. Eventually it's the site owners and managers that need to decide if they prefer a "clean" but dead forum/site or a more "controversial" but lively forum/site. I always loved this site and have fond memories of it, but this is not the site I've fallen in love with, I hope Bill and Co can turn it around, I would hate it if it disappeared, and by the way there are many things that can be improved on top of the Forums, but that's for another thread.
For popular games, maybe consider 3 forums. Lightside, Darkside, General?
Alternately 2 sections: Normal and Unmoderated.
The current setup is kind of a no-mans land where moderation is at times haphazard and uneven and really only serves to diminish the enjoyment of both supporters and detractors.
Also keep in mind that it is conflicting opinions that drive traffic to the forums. The forums are what differentiates this site from places like Massively(also a great site but generally just news and opinions with limited reader interaction). You should be focused on ways to spark debate and conversation.
You can have different opinions and debate without people acting like trash.
Sure you can. I still stand by the concept that overly sensitive folks have tried to turn this into an mmo "safe space" and the result is a dramatic drop in forum participation. Official forums are a GREAT place for talking about how great a game a without being challenged. That niche is already well covered. The niche for MMORPG.COM is the one where folks can have sometimes contentious debates without the fear of someone calling for the hall monitor.
Unfortunately, as soon as someone starts to post anything even remotely combative (pro or con) they get reported and penalized. Folks need to understand that those conflicting opinions are the actual CONTENT of this site. We are now reaping what has been sowed. Visits and participation are way, way down. It's obvious to anyone who has been here for years.
I first heard of the safe space thing about 2 years ago. It is a silly thing. How can the snowflake generation expect to be able to face the hardships of life if they don't have some adversity in their life to train them how to handle it? Are they going to start protesting every time something doesn't go their way?
I have seen parents cave in to children crying and throwing a tantrum. If I had tried that as a kid it wouldn't have worked and would have gotten the belt if I didn't stop it.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
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Try to be excellent to everyone you meet. You never know what someone else has seen or endured.
My Review Manifesto
Follow me on Twitter if you dare.
It is just a phase. I've been through it already and emerged on the other side.
Good topic!
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In this case, they chose the former. Only MMORPG.com can determine whether the decision was correct. Hopefully, they are willing to re-evaluate and see which direction they should pursue going forward. Neither one is the perfect answer. Execution is as much a part of success as the general direction.
I self identify as a monkey.
Currently a ton of articles that you write go to the bottom which requires you to scroll, or maybe you do put it in the feature scroll wheel but I personally don't notice em. Current Forum Activity should be expanded to show more posts, or an overhaul to the scrolling news wheel.
- This is coming from someone who stopped playing mmorpgs, and distanced himself from mmorpg.com, and rarely clicks on any articles from this site anymore.
JK but couldn't resist adapting what is apparently a winning slogan that starts with the premise that something that is in fact great is all fucked up.
It's my #1 goto site: same as it has been for a decade.
But what do you really expect a notorious banned raincloud to say in his alt account?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I know I am not always the most positive poster and my sarcasm and rapier wit can get old very fast sometimes, I do want to say that I appreciate the work you folks are doing. I know it seems like a thankless job sometimes, you post something about a game and half the community tears it apart. It is not a job I would ever want to do, but you folks do some damn fine work. The proof is that many of us have been coming here for 10+ years and that says a lot.
I dont know if it is just a case of people on the outside always wanting to criticize something other people are doing or maybe it is just the way the world is moving where everyone hates the establishment and takes it out on anyone they run into. Whatever it is, it does seem to get worse over time and it really is not fair to you folks.
I guess what I am trying to say is, even though "at times" we might seem like a pack of ravenous dogs fighting over a bone, the bottom line is we love it here and we still come back year after year because it is the best MMO site out there!
Now go dye your hair pink, post some pics of it. [mod edit]
Keep up the good work MMORPG.com
You all are doing great.
Alternately 2 sections: Normal and Unmoderated.
The current setup is kind of a no-mans land where moderation is at times haphazard and uneven and really only serves to diminish the enjoyment of both supporters and detractors.
Also keep in mind that it is conflicting opinions that drive traffic to the forums. The forums are what differentiates this site from places like Massively(also a great site but generally just news and opinions with limited reader interaction). You should be focused on ways to spark debate and conversation.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Unfortunately, as soon as someone starts to post anything even remotely combative (pro or con) they get reported and penalized. Folks need to understand that those conflicting opinions are the actual CONTENT of this site. We are now reaping what has been sowed. Visits and participation are way, way down. It's obvious to anyone who has been here for years.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
gamelist has a shitton of inactive games
most of games on this site are not mmorpg
getting warnings from mods.. provoking others in reacting in a negative matter? which considers trolling lawl
tbh there are better sites on the net that provide usefull info about mmorpgs only.
such as?
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I do not like subjective reviews tho, and seen a few posted by CM's, all games have pros cons and a number.
Overall you are doing a solid job, and people still come here to read the news, they are just not as involved as it used to be.
May it be related with genre, or simply becouse they went numb on all the same discussions, its irrelevent.
What is important tho, as you put it, is that mmo's wont die, ever, they are just a large projects, which take time to be completed properly, and we need wait for them.
Fill in the blank space with single player and mobas we must
As I explained in my previous post, MMORPG.com was the place where people could vent their frustration about games, as doing so in the Official Forums is not possible.
But now this forum is not any different from the Official Forums, you are not allowed to be too negative or to make multiple threads on the same subject, with Mods merging "negative" threads like there is not tomorrow so the positive threads far outnumber the negative ones pleasing developers and advertisers alike.
Your analysis is spot on in my opinion, that's exactly what I think it happened.
The excuse that MMORPGs are in decline doesn't hold water.
MMORPGs might be on the decline but MOBAs and other Online Games are on the rise and this site covers those as well.....and what about RPGs, are those in decline too?
This site covers games played by tens of millions of players so potentially they have a huge base to work on.
But unfortunately they screwed up their best asset.....the Forum.
I am sure the majority of people on this forum doesn't agree with this theory as they are the ones that drove this forum to be the way it is now, so I guess that's the way they like it.
Eventually it's the site owners and managers that need to decide if they prefer a "clean" but dead forum/site or a more "controversial" but lively forum/site.
I always loved this site and have fond memories of it, but this is not the site I've fallen in love with, I hope Bill and Co can turn it around, I would hate it if it disappeared, and by the way there are many things that can be improved on top of the Forums, but that's for another thread.
I first heard of the safe space thing about 2 years ago. It is a silly thing. How can the snowflake generation expect to be able to face the hardships of life if they don't have some adversity in their life to train them how to handle it? Are they going to start protesting every time something doesn't go their way?
I have seen parents cave in to children crying and throwing a tantrum. If I had tried that as a kid it wouldn't have worked and would have gotten the belt if I didn't stop it.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"