Makes me wonder cuz it didn't get the spike untill today and Forbes just gave this article this morning. It was going down after financials released. The scary thing is they have been running on hype for over a year now and still given us nothing. But yea its definitely something to watch.
A lot of companies run on pure hype. AMD actually has products, in boxes, in the store right now. That's a lot more than can be said for a lot of other companies.
Maybe the mods should make a Wall Street sub forum so the Intel and nVidia employees can take their stock discussions there.
The company is sized enough to react to big losses as the ones they faced and move on.
Yes but how many more years of taking a 400mil loss can they handle? I don't think they have ever had a year where they made more then 100 mil. So in the past 3 years they have taken losses that more then cover any gains they ever had. They really need a good year this year.
Either do it yourself or hire some big names to develop a new platform,one so good that everyone will leave Windows.That way your driver structure will suit your platform and leave Intel on the outside struggling to figure things out and always be behind one step.
On the smaller side of things,there is one market that AMD could invest in to give them the edge.It seems Overclocking is the "big deal"especially if trying to get more out of older chips that no longer have any value.This is an area the smartest minds inside AMD need to think about.Is it cooling tricks,or some cooling add-ons or some other add-on that would allow users to keep the same chips for longer periods of time. This one gimmick alone would turn heads and give AMD a huge edge.Thinking similar to what happened with gpu's and using two together.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The company is sized enough to react to big losses as the ones they faced and move on.
Yes but how many more years of taking a 400mil loss can they handle? I don't think they have ever had a year where they made more then 100 mil. So in the past 3 years they have taken losses that more then cover any gains they ever had. They really need a good year this year.
In a six year span Sony lost over $10,000,000,000 that's BILLION with a B. Seems to me you just have some grudge against AMD and get all excited when you see they lose money.
i was expecting much worse, knowing the low catalogue offerings in high end market, they increased their cash flow, they paid some of the debts, and the shares lost 0.01$... Q1 2017 will probably turn a profit, if Ryzen and Vega are any good, they will do a killing this year.
The company is sized enough to react to big losses as the ones they faced and move on.
Yes but how many more years of taking a 400mil loss can they handle? I don't think they have ever had a year where they made more then 100 mil. So in the past 3 years they have taken losses that more then cover any gains they ever had. They really need a good year this year.
In a six year span Sony lost over $10,000,000,000 that's BILLION with a B. Seems to me you just have some grudge against AMD and get all excited when you see they lose money.
Well that would explain why they have went from 150$ a share down to $30. They cannot continue to do that either. Its called common sense its not really that hard to understand. You keep losing money and eventually you run out. And if I was someone to get excited when AMD loses money I would have been one happy person for the past 4 years.
i was expecting much worse, knowing the low catalogue offerings in high end market, they increased their cash flow, they paid some of the debts, and the shares lost 0.01$... Q1 2017 will probably turn a profit, if Ryzen and Vega are any good, they will do a killing this year.
Yea the problem was they overhyped the RX gpu's and they ended up not being anything special. We were excited to see the RX but when it arrived and underperformed quickly became a disapointment. Now we look at Ryzen and Vega and honestly I'm not gonna get my hopes up this time. Intel/Nvidia will quickly counter it probably even before AMD can launch anything.
Where do you get your facts filmoret? The RX GPUs did not underperform. The only way they underperformed is if you think their competition are GPUs that cost twice as much. In their price brackets they perform better on average and depending on the week are cheaper or slightly more expensive. As for the loss, what did AMD release in 2016? They released an APU, and a couple mid-range cards. They also had increased spending while finishing development of Zen and Vega. 2017 may be the first time in 10 years that AMD has a positive year. AMDs financial situation and stock price was never about 2016. Anyone could see they were preparing to offer strong competition for 2017. Hardware architectures takes years to develop and their development often overlaps other generations.
It's okay for a company to lose money for a while so long as they use that time that they're losing money to make whatever changes are necessary to make it all back in future profits and then some. There is this caution from Donald Rumsfeld:
“Too often management recommends plans that look like Bob Hope’s nose or a hockey stick.The numbers go down the first year or so and then up in the later years. If you accept hockeystick plans, you will find they will be proposed year after year.”
But in AMD's case today, the plan is mainly Zen and to a lesser degree, Vega. If those products are as good as hoped, AMD will make back all the money they've lost in the last several years pretty quickly and be set for considerable profits for years to come. Anticipation of that happening is why AMD's stock has risen sharply in the last year.
Preliminary evidence on Zen looks pretty good, though we've got about another month to wait on reviews before we can make a more decisive statement about how good Zen is. Vega is still a few months away, and I haven't yet seen any evidence that it will or won't be good.
It's not pretty, but it's not nearly as bleak as 10 years of straight losses.
AMD was positive from 2010 through mid 2012, had 4 straight quarters of losses, went back to profitablility for 6 quarters, and brings us to 2Q15, where since then there has been only 1 quarter of breakeven (3Q16), the rest have posted losses, but not huge losses.
Looking over it for the past few years, it may be treading water, but it's hardly a sinking ship. As a lot of people have said here, and said before, you can see the course correction the current Board is taking, it's moving the needle in the right direction, but Ryzen is absolutely critical here (and Vega to a lesser extent). It would be pretty difficult for AMD to recover if Zen turns out to be another Bulldozer, or if they do some other blunder (blowing the pricing, messing up the marketing, availability not being there, etc).
Pretty sure Amazon didn't make a profit for like at least a decade.
filmoret, you should get off the hate train of AMD and Overwatch and go play Paladins which you declared would take over the genre. Embrace the amazing success of what you love.
The company is sized enough to react to big losses as the ones they faced and move on.
Yes but how many more years of taking a 400mil loss can they handle? I don't think they have ever had a year where they made more then 100 mil. So in the past 3 years they have taken losses that more then cover any gains they ever had. They really need a good year this year.
In a six year span Sony lost over $10,000,000,000 that's BILLION with a B. Seems to me you just have some grudge against AMD and get all excited when you see they lose money.
Actually, I think that ppl want to like AMD because it's the anti Nvidia. I think ppl get angry cause they're rooting for their team and they keep missing.
Where do you get your facts filmoret? The RX GPUs did not underperform. The only way they underperformed is if you think their competition are GPUs that cost twice as much. In their price brackets they perform better on average and depending on the week are cheaper or slightly more expensive. As for the loss, what did AMD release in 2016? They released an APU, and a couple mid-range cards. They also had increased spending while finishing development of Zen and Vega. 2017 may be the first time in 10 years that AMD has a positive year. AMDs financial situation and stock price was never about 2016. Anyone could see they were preparing to offer strong competition for 2017. Hardware architectures takes years to develop and their development often overlaps other generations.
They were aiming to make a dual slot GPU to compete with the high end 1080's. Their failure was when they ended up using a rediculous amount of power. We were hoping to see some laptops with the GPU's but they simply cannot put them in a laptop because they use way too much power. They really screwed up with power consumption it was better for them to stick with the R9's then what they produced in 2016. If you really look and pay attention they gave us a lot of hype and produced nothing.
The company is sized enough to react to big losses as the ones they faced and move on.
Yes but how many more years of taking a 400mil loss can they handle? I don't think they have ever had a year where they made more then 100 mil. So in the past 3 years they have taken losses that more then cover any gains they ever had. They really need a good year this year.
In a six year span Sony lost over $10,000,000,000 that's BILLION with a B. Seems to me you just have some grudge against AMD and get all excited when you see they lose money.
Actually, I think that ppl want to like AMD because it's the anti Nvidia. I think ppl get angry cause they're rooting for their team and they keep missing.
I rooted for AMD and was hoping the rx series was the answer to a lot of things myself. Even got some stock and encouraged a lot of my friends to invest. Sorry people I'm not an AMD hater I just realized how full of shit they are is all.
Where do you get your facts filmoret? The RX GPUs did not underperform. The only way they underperformed is if you think their competition are GPUs that cost twice as much. In their price brackets they perform better on average and depending on the week are cheaper or slightly more expensive. As for the loss, what did AMD release in 2016? They released an APU, and a couple mid-range cards. They also had increased spending while finishing development of Zen and Vega. 2017 may be the first time in 10 years that AMD has a positive year. AMDs financial situation and stock price was never about 2016. Anyone could see they were preparing to offer strong competition for 2017. Hardware architectures takes years to develop and their development often overlaps other generations.
They were aiming to make a dual slot GPU to compete with the high end 1080's. Their failure was when they ended up using a rediculous amount of power. We were hoping to see some laptops with the GPU's but they simply cannot put them in a laptop because they use way too much power. They really screwed up with power consumption it was better for them to stick with the R9's then what they produced in 2016. If you really look and pay attention they gave us a lot of hype and produced nothing.
You remind me of someone who told me about 25 years ago that she assumed a computer was fast because the case it came in was big. There are more important things to a video card than the physical size of the cooler.
Where do you get your facts filmoret? The RX GPUs did not underperform. The only way they underperformed is if you think their competition are GPUs that cost twice as much. In their price brackets they perform better on average and depending on the week are cheaper or slightly more expensive. As for the loss, what did AMD release in 2016? They released an APU, and a couple mid-range cards. They also had increased spending while finishing development of Zen and Vega. 2017 may be the first time in 10 years that AMD has a positive year. AMDs financial situation and stock price was never about 2016. Anyone could see they were preparing to offer strong competition for 2017. Hardware architectures takes years to develop and their development often overlaps other generations.
They were aiming to make a dual slot GPU to compete with the high end 1080's. Their failure was when they ended up using a rediculous amount of power. We were hoping to see some laptops with the GPU's but they simply cannot put them in a laptop because they use way too much power. They really screwed up with power consumption it was better for them to stick with the R9's then what they produced in 2016. If you really look and pay attention they gave us a lot of hype and produced nothing.
You remind me of someone who told me about 25 years ago that she assumed a computer was fast because the case it came in was big. There are more important things to a video card than the physical size of the cooler.
They cannot put them in a laptop because they use too much power. How hard was that to understand?
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/02/01/amd-confirms-ryzen-processor-and-vega-graphics-card-release-dates/#4b19bb20552b
Maybe the mods should make a Wall Street sub forum so the Intel and nVidia employees can take their stock discussions there.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
Either do it yourself or hire some big names to develop a new platform,one so good that everyone will leave Windows.That way your driver structure will suit your platform and leave Intel on the outside struggling to figure things out and always be behind one step.
On the smaller side of things,there is one market that AMD could invest in to give them the edge.It seems Overclocking is the "big deal"especially if trying to get more out of older chips that no longer have any value.This is an area the smartest minds inside AMD need to think about.Is it cooling tricks,or some cooling add-ons or some other add-on that would allow users to keep the same chips for longer periods of time.
This one gimmick alone would turn heads and give AMD a huge edge.Thinking similar to what happened with gpu's and using two together.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Q1 2017 will probably turn a profit, if Ryzen and Vega are any good, they will do a killing this year.
You get by FAR best performance/price card RX470 for 1080p gaming.
I guess if those are nothing "special" (and those are best GPUs this gen) you consider rest of this gen absolutely terrible lol
As for the loss, what did AMD release in 2016? They released an APU, and a couple mid-range cards. They also had increased spending while finishing development of Zen and Vega. 2017 may be the first time in 10 years that AMD has a positive year. AMDs financial situation and stock price was never about 2016. Anyone could see they were preparing to offer strong competition for 2017. Hardware architectures takes years to develop and their development often overlaps other generations.
“Too often management recommends plans that look like Bob Hope’s nose or a hockey stick.The numbers go down the first year or so and then up in the later years. If you accept hockeystick plans, you will find they will be proposed year after year.”
But in AMD's case today, the plan is mainly Zen and to a lesser degree, Vega. If those products are as good as hoped, AMD will make back all the money they've lost in the last several years pretty quickly and be set for considerable profits for years to come. Anticipation of that happening is why AMD's stock has risen sharply in the last year.
Preliminary evidence on Zen looks pretty good, though we've got about another month to wait on reviews before we can make a more decisive statement about how good Zen is. Vega is still a few months away, and I haven't yet seen any evidence that it will or won't be good.
It's not pretty, but it's not nearly as bleak as 10 years of straight losses.
AMD was positive from 2010 through mid 2012, had 4 straight quarters of losses, went back to profitablility for 6 quarters, and brings us to 2Q15, where since then there has been only 1 quarter of breakeven (3Q16), the rest have posted losses, but not huge losses.
Looking over it for the past few years, it may be treading water, but it's hardly a sinking ship. As a lot of people have said here, and said before, you can see the course correction the current Board is taking, it's moving the needle in the right direction, but Ryzen is absolutely critical here (and Vega to a lesser extent). It would be pretty difficult for AMD to recover if Zen turns out to be another Bulldozer, or if they do some other blunder (blowing the pricing, messing up the marketing, availability not being there, etc).
filmoret, you should get off the hate train of AMD and Overwatch and go play Paladins which you declared would take over the genre. Embrace the amazing success of what you love.
I self identify as a monkey.