AMD still not making money.

Crusadecrusher

Well apparently the facts point to a different reality to the one the OP is trying to paint. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/01/27/amd-the-year-2016-in-review/#2ed0b0f1531e


AMD‘s stock price appreciated by approximately 300% in 2016, making it one of the best-performing technology stocks of 2016. 

Vrika

Crusadecrusher said:

Well apparently the facts point to a different reality to the one the OP is trying to paint. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/01/27/amd-the-year-2016-in-review/#2ed0b0f1531e


AMD‘s stock price appreciated by approximately 300% in 2016, making it one of the best-performing technology stocks of 2016. 

AMD was doing really badly in late 2015 and there was even speculation of the company going bankrupt. Their stock price increase is because they aren't doing quite that badly any more.

It doesn't mean AMD would be doing well. Enterprise value of AMD is still only about 1/5th of NVidia's value, and maybe 1/15th of Intel's value.

filmoret

Crusadecrusher said:

Well apparently the facts point to a different reality to the one the OP is trying to paint. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/01/27/amd-the-year-2016-in-review/#2ed0b0f1531e


AMD‘s stock price appreciated by approximately 300% in 2016, making it one of the best-performing technology stocks of 2016. 

So they dont need a really good year to make up for their losses from the past 10 years?  

filmoret

Vrika said:

Crusadecrusher said:

Well apparently the facts point to a different reality to the one the OP is trying to paint. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/01/27/amd-the-year-2016-in-review/#2ed0b0f1531e


AMD‘s stock price appreciated by approximately 300% in 2016, making it one of the best-performing technology stocks of 2016. 

AMD was doing really badly in late 2015 and there was even speculation of the company going bankrupt. Their stock price increase is because they aren't doing quite that badly any more.

It doesn't mean AMD would be doing well. Enterprise value of AMD is still only about 1/5th of NVidia's value, and maybe 1/15th of Intel's value.

Yea they got a lot of hype right now that has helped them a lot.  The alibaba deal, intel deal, and the apple deal all gave them a lot of momentum that we are really hoping to see some gains this year.   Their bad habbit of overbidding contracts is a major detriment right now and the fact that nvidia and intel almost always counter them with a better product.  Looking forward to their next line of chips and assuming that intel will take it sitting down isn't very smart either.

In other news not many paying attention but Nvidia stock has also had a 400% increase the past year.  And intel stock is bleh.

Ridelynn

filmoret said:

Crusadecrusher said:

Due to how desperate the OP appears to be at bashing AMD...I just purchased an AMD card. 

AMD lost  497mil 2016

filmoret said:

Ridelynn said:

Can you post the source for your numbers please? Not that I don't believe you, I just want to make sure we are all talking about the same thing. 

http://quarterlyearnings.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings

Ok so I just went back and looked at 2016, since it was the most recent. Using the link you provided.

AMD is kind enough to keep a running year tally on their quarterly reports, so here's 4Q16's PDF link, for those that care to look.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MzY0MjUxfENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1&cb=636214921461516317

AMD posted a positive gain of 479M in cash flow. The line item at the bottom of Page 3 reads "Net increase in cash and cash equivalents". I think Increase means they didn't lose money. They also had a positive annual EBIDTA of 177M and a  free cash flow of 17M

If you dig deep into the numbers, they posted a lot of cash to resolve long-term liabilities (i.e. they paid down debt they had already accrued from before). That counted against the operating loss. And it prevented them from having to pay a good deal in income taxes.

Doesn't look nearly as bad just saying (-497M).

I'm not exactly trying to white knight AMD here, but at the same time, it's not like AMD is being propped up and all it will take is a stiff breeze to bring the entire thing crashing down into bankruptcy court and patent fire sales either.

filmoret

Ridelynn said:

filmoret said:

Crusadecrusher said:

Due to how desperate the OP appears to be at bashing AMD...I just purchased an AMD card. 

AMD lost  497mil 2016

filmoret said:

Ridelynn said:

Can you post the source for your numbers please? Not that I don't believe you, I just want to make sure we are all talking about the same thing. 

http://quarterlyearnings.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings

Ok so I just went back and looked at 2016, since it was the most recent. Using the link you provided.

AMD is kind enough to keep a running year tally on their quarterly reports, so here's 4Q16's PDF link, for those that care to look.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MzY0MjUxfENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1&cb=636214921461516317

AMD posted a positive gain of 479M in cash flow. The line item at the bottom of Page 3 reads "Net increase in cash and cash equivalents". I think Increase means they didn't lose money. They also had a positive annual EBIDTA of 177M and a  free cash flow of 17M

If you dig deep into the numbers, they posted a lot of cash to resolve long-term liabilities (i.e. they paid down debt they had already accrued from before). That counted against the operating loss. And it prevented them from having to pay a good deal in income taxes.

Doesn't look nearly as bad just saying (-497M).

I'm not exactly trying to white knight AMD here, but at the same time, it's not like AMD is being propped up and all it will take is a stiff breeze to bring the entire thing crashing down into bankruptcy court and patent fire sales either.

It gets a little confusing.  But look at this shows the net loss.  When a company shows net loss that means they lost money overall.  

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2241045

Ridelynn

"The sky is falling"

No, it's just raining.

"No, it gets confusing. But when stuff comes out of the sky, it means it's falling."

I really should have known better.

filmoret

Ridelynn said:

"The sky is falling"

No, it's just raining.

"No, it gets confusing. But when stuff comes out of the sky, it means it's falling."

I really should have known better.

You know learning what net loss means doesn't take 100 pages of google searches.

http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/financial-statement-analysis/net-loss-489

Quizzical

filmoret said:

Ridelynn said:

"The sky is falling"

No, it's just raining.

"No, it gets confusing. But when stuff comes out of the sky, it means it's falling."

I really should have known better.

You know learning what net loss means doesn't take 100 pages of google searches.

http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/financial-statement-analysis/net-loss-489

If you now understand what net loss means, does that mean you're going to retract this entire thread?  Because surely that involves understanding that expenses in one time period can lead to revenue in another time period.

filmoret

Quizzical said:

filmoret said:

Ridelynn said:

"The sky is falling"

No, it's just raining.

"No, it gets confusing. But when stuff comes out of the sky, it means it's falling."

I really should have known better.

You know learning what net loss means doesn't take 100 pages of google searches.

http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/financial-statement-analysis/net-loss-489

If you now understand what net loss means, does that mean you're going to retract this entire thread?  Because surely that involves understanding that expenses in one time period can lead to revenue in another time period.

Once that begins to happen then you let me know.  And to think they took a loss for the past 10 years building a load of chips and they will start selling them soon as they are ready.  Maybe another 10 years idk.

Malabooga

"157-125=27. Whats wrong with all of you!"

-filmoret 2017. lol

Leon1e

filmoret said:

scabzy said:

i was expecting much worse,  knowing the low catalogue offerings in high end market, they increased their cash flow, they paid some of the debts, and the shares lost 0.01$...
Q1 2017 will probably turn a profit, if Ryzen and Vega are any good, they will do a killing this year.

Yea the problem was they overhyped the RX gpu's and they ended up not being anything special.  We were excited to see the RX but when it arrived and underperformed quickly became a disapointment.  Now we look at Ryzen and Vega and honestly I'm not gonna get my hopes up this time.  Intel/Nvidia will quickly counter it probably even before AMD can launch anything.

RX480 underperforming? Bruh .... RX480 is the best bang for the buck atm ... 

On a sidenote, I have overclocked R9 290X. I have it for good 3 years now? Anyway, point being, I still play modern games with no issues on it. I don't know how some of you folks get straight up and say that AMD doesn't have anything good on the market when a 3 year old GPU is COMPLETELY capable of running latest and greatest, DX12 ready and probably more performant than new nVidias priced similarly. I'm sure you can find a used 290X for about 150-200$. It will completely steamroll nvidia GPUs at this pricepoint. And unlike the NV's 9XX series, it has full hardware Dx12 support (AsyncCompute and whatnot) 

Sure it runs hot a bit, but the R9 390X is basically the same chip with better cooling and more memory. 

And if you decide to watch some modern benchmarks (as in, something from the past 6 months), you'd see that with driver improvement the Fury series start to shit on high class nvidia GPUs for less money. 

AMD FineWine yo, kicks you like a Honda VTEC  

wanderica

filmoret said:

Here's your false stuff you wanted.  

Isn't that the Ashes GPU comparison where the nVIDIA card wasn't rendering the fog causing it to look clearer?  In that particular case, the AMD card was the one to perform as it was supposed to.

Also, the "dual GPU" solution you're thinking of was when AMD demoed a Crossfire RX 480 setup running Doom.  They never claimed there would be a dual GPU option.  They never announced a RX 490, 490X, 485, or anything of the sort.  This was intended to be, and is, a true midrange option, NOT intended to compete at the high end.  To paraphrase AMD's own words, they are running their own timetable, not keeping up with nVidia.  Vega was intended to offer products at the high end. 

Don't forget, Scorpion and PS4 Pro both will be using Polaris as is Apple's new products, so releasing their midrange made sense as the silicon was already being produced in quantity.  As for power, the mobile parts are using Polaris 11, not 10.  It's not the same chip, so the power issues with the reference RX 480 boards (which is what you are referencing here) do not necessarily apply.

Crusadecrusher

filmoret said:

Quizzical said:

filmoret said:

Ridelynn said:

"The sky is falling"

No, it's just raining.

"No, it gets confusing. But when stuff comes out of the sky, it means it's falling."

I really should have known better.

You know learning what net loss means doesn't take 100 pages of google searches.

http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/financial-statement-analysis/net-loss-489

If you now understand what net loss means, does that mean you're going to retract this entire thread?  Because surely that involves understanding that expenses in one time period can lead to revenue in another time period.

Once that begins to happen then you let me know.  And to think they took a loss for the past 10 years building a load of chips and they will start selling them soon as they are ready.  Maybe another 10 years idk.

Maybe you will still be trying to bash AMD in 10 years?  Is that what you are saying?  Rather strange you are still going on about this after I posted how they were one of the top tech stocks in all of 2016...a matter of fact it seems like you went into major damage control after I posted that..

filmoret

Some of you should work for a news company.  You sure know how to twist people's words and get upset over false ideas.

filmoret

WOW reading through this thread there is only like 5 people who actually offered insight into the topic.  The rest just started frothing at the mouth and rolling around on the floor in a fit of rage.

Crusadecrusher

filmoret said:

WOW reading through this thread there is only like 5 people who actually offered insight into the topic.  The rest just started frothing at the mouth and rolling around on the floor in a fit of rage.

To be fair you seem to be frothing at the mouth yourself as you have also moved onto another AMD thread...

And when those like me posted insight and facts you also did a very good job of trying to twist that data into your favor...

Malabooga

AMDs stock price has just gone over 14$

thats ~8x of what it was year ago lol

so f you want filmoret level of nonsense youll make bombastic title "AMD has grown 8x in a YEAR!" rofl

filmoret

Malabooga said:

AMDs stock price has just gone over 14$

thats ~8x of what it was year ago lol

so f you want filmoret level of nonsense youll make bombastic title "AMD has grown 8x in a YEAR!" rofl

They been doing this since the 80's.  They hit a spike then fall just as quickly as they rise.   

1981 within a few years their stock went from 12$ to 65$ and dropped back down to 37$
1999   16$ a share spiked to 92$ and dropped back down 32$ within a 2 year span.
2005  15$ a share spiked to 40$ and was back down under 2$ by 2008.

Some people can make some serious money on their stock but at a very high risk.  All that money you make can easily be lost if you don't drop it before crash.  

FlyByKnight

This thread could have been over if the first response was "what's your point?".

Does this guy have stocks in AMD that he can't dump or something?

filmoret

FlyByKnight said:

This thread could have been over if the first response was "what's your point?".

Does this guy have stocks in AMD that he can't dump or something?

To properly evaluate the future of the stock.  So I guess its not over now is it.

Ridelynn

filmoret said:

FlyByKnight said:

This thread could have been over if the first response was "what's your point?".

Does this guy have stocks in AMD that he can't dump or something?

To properly evaluate the future of the stock.  So I guess its not over now is it.

Then you need to take it to the Stock Future Evaluation forum, because even though your talking about a computer hardware company, stock prices have almost nothing to do with computer hardware.

Crusadecrusher

filmoret said:

FlyByKnight said:

This thread could have been over if the first response was "what's your point?".

Does this guy have stocks in AMD that he can't dump or something?

To properly evaluate the future of the stock.  So I guess its not over now is it.

Well looks like they are projected another great year for their stock... 

http://amigobulls.com/articles/is-advanced-micro-devices-inc-amd-stock-headed-to-25

filmoret

Crusadecrusher said:

filmoret said:

FlyByKnight said:

This thread could have been over if the first response was "what's your point?".

Does this guy have stocks in AMD that he can't dump or something?

To properly evaluate the future of the stock.  So I guess its not over now is it.

Well looks like they are projected another great year for their stock... 

http://amigobulls.com/articles/is-advanced-micro-devices-inc-amd-stock-headed-to-25

These are the same people who said it wasn't going over 4$ in 2016.

Crusadecrusher

Check out this link where the rx 480 is running circles around the gtx 1060. 

http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/115/rx-480-dominates-gtx-1060-dx12-battlefield/index.html