I was correcting you kiddo you were wrong again. Calm down. It happens
1. today I am calm and clearly my text illustrates that 2. you claim to work at valve 3. you post zero evidence to your claim 4. you suggest because its 2 years ago that is evidence of what exactly? nothing? 5. I am an example of a windows user who does not have an xbox account best I can tell. 6. all evidence i have seen thus far suggest that there are nearly 2 times as many Steam users as Xbox users and nobody has posted jack shit to put those facts into question 7. not sure why people like to live in a world of 'alt facts'
Blue is telling you that Steam has more than 125 million accounts
I was correcting you kiddo you were wrong again. Calm down. It happens
1. today I am calm and clearly my text illustrates that 2. you claim to work at valve 3. you post zero evidence to your claim 4. you suggest because its 2 years ago that is evidence of what exactly? nothing? 5. I am an example of a windows user who does not have an xbox account best I can tell. 6. all evidence i have seen thus far suggest that there are nearly 2 times as many Steam users as Xbox users and nobody has posted jack shit to put those facts into question 7. not sure why people like to live in a world of 'alt facts'
Calm down captain. It is well known here that I work for Valve. Have a pleasant day.
I doubt that seriously.
but never the less I would like to see some evidence on xbox live numbers other than my own
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Not buying into the whole xbox hype. I had a console. I got rid of my console. I won't have another. I am not typing this on my xbox and won't be in the future. Xbox (and PS) are closed systems that are controlled by their parent companies. I am for innovation over stagnation.
"48 million active users" "accounts" and "active users" are two different things.
again.
1. the numbers in steam favor being 2x the size suggests to one that they should not make casual off hand statements that xbox live is larger without any supporting evidence at all, not a single solitary number of any kind.
your evidence was what exacty? 'people use consoles'
thats is...100% of your supporting position
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"48 million active users" "accounts" and "active users" are two different things.
again.
1. the numbers in steam favor being 2x the size suggests to one that they should not make casual off hand statements that xbox live is larger without any supporting evidence at all, not a single solitary number of any kind.
your evidence was what exacty? 'people use consoles'
thats is...100% of your supporting position
48 million Xbox live "accounts" back in 2010
"Microsoft's Xbox Live has 48 million accounts — around half of whomreportedly paid extra for a gold subscription to play online in 2010"
your 'evidence' is that xbox live has more than 1/2 the number of active steam users which I think was defined as 'playing for 20 mins a month' or something not sure but there is a definition out there on the internets.
so I am not sure I am following what you saying? you seem to be supporting what I am saying
GUYS! come on...really this isnt that hard
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I dont have time to look for it but I did read that Valve does have a defintion for what they mean when they say 'active users'
guys...the internet exists I know how to use it...kinda
Executive Officer Satya Nadella mentioned that Xbox Live is the biggest ‘social network’ in the entire gaming market- by which he was probably referring to its monetization, because he did very specifically mention that it makes far more money than any other similar network. This means that, yes, Xbox Live is still more profitable than PSN, and even though Steam may have more users, Microsoft makes more money off of Xbox Live itself. Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-live-is-the-biggest-gaming-social-network-says-microsoft-ceo#mqOizDbScgfWIZgA.99
I dont have time to look for it but I did read that Valve does have a defintion for what they mean when they say 'active users'
guys...the internet exists I know how to use it...kinda
I'm not even arguing that Xbox Live has more accounts than Steam, I'm arguing that it's plausible, it could have.
None of your so called evidence proves that wrong. The only *fact* is that *we don't know*
BTW How many Minecraft players are there? Do you need an Xbox Live account to play multiplayer Minecraft? (I don't own Minecraft, I don't know the answer)
I dont have time to look for it but I did read that Valve does have a defintion for what they mean when they say 'active users'
guys...the internet exists I know how to use it...kinda
I'm not even arguing that Xbox Live has more accounts than Steam, I'm arguing that it's plausible, it could have.
None of your so called evidence proves that wrong. The only *fact* is that *we don't know*
BTW How many Minecraft players are there? Do you need an Xbox Live account to play multiplayer Minecraft? (I don't own Minecraft, I don't know the answer)
well that is not being accurate.
You might be taking that position now and not stating it until now but your orginal comment did not in anyway suggest 'plausibility' it suggest 'fact'.
never the less, yes its plausible, highly unlikely but plausible.
The reason the CEO felt comfortable making that statement is because technically Steam itself isnt a 'social network' nor does it technically have a 'social network' it has features that are social in nature though.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Steam's big growth in its user base followed the launch of Steam Mobile. The growth correlates with the huge number of downloads on both Android and Apple.
As for the MS claim there will be caveats and notes somewhere that support the MS claim - maybe along the lines of what @SEANMCAD suggests or some other stuff. This data was provided at a Financial Analysts briefing so false info could lead to charges of share price manipulation, court cases, fines, jail time etc.
Looking at some of the pictures however there is reference to MAU's - enough said - Minecraft, Skype and so on.
What MS could be doing here is drawing a parallel to companies that have been pushing MAUS. Saying to analysts that "one chunk of the MS business has more MAUs than the likes of EA, Activision Blizzard etc." Remember that when giving out investor advice.
Steam's big growth in its user base followed the launch of Steam Mobile. The growth correlates with the huge number of downloads on both Android and Apple.
As for the MS claim there will be caveats and notes somewhere that support the MS claim - maybe along the lines of what @SEANMCAD suggests or some other stuff. This data was provided at a Financial Analysts briefing so false info could lead to charges of share price manipulation, court cases, fines, jail time etc.
Looking at some of the pictures however there is reference to MAU's - enough said - Minecraft, Skype and so on.
What MS could be doing here is drawing a parallel to companies that have been pushing MAUS. Saying to analysts that "one chunk of the MS business has more MAUs than the likes of EA, Activision Blizzard etc." Remember that when giving out investor advice.
'Steam Mobile'?
I HIGHLY doubt that. I have steam mobile, dont use it. do you have any evidence to support this or am i just completely confused?
but keep in mind, Steam had more active users in 2013 then xbox live does now. so although its prefectly fine to suggest xbox has the largest social network given the numbers we do have it might be good to provide some level of evidence
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Microsoft just has Build yesterday and I provided you links directly from them where Xbox Live is broken down into detail. This is from Microsoft them selves and its the latest data.
Microsoft just has Build yesterday and I provided you links directly from them where Xbox Live is broken down into detail. This is from Microsoft them selves and its the latest data.
Why would I need to even look anywhere else?
Especially from old non Microsoft websites.
again...the evidence i just posted is clear, concise, clear and shows a HUGE difference.
what you and your friends fail to see is that what the CEO would say to me is this
Steam is not an social network
I am very literally making the better argument, with evidence AND even giving you a better arugement for your position.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Blue is telling you that Steam has more than 125 million accounts
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
I doubt that seriously.
but never the less I would like to see some evidence on xbox live numbers other than my own
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
Let's party like it is 1863!
yes! and the question at the moment is how is Xbox Live network larger than the number of Steam users.
I know one could suggest how Xbox Live Social network is larger that Steam's social network but its a stretch
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Xbox live had over 48 million accounts back in 2010
https://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5045830/steam-65-million-active-accounts-6-million-concurrent-users
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
again.
1. the numbers in steam favor being 2x the size suggests to one that they should not make casual off hand statements that xbox live is larger without any supporting evidence at all, not a single solitary number of any kind.
your evidence was what exacty?
'people use consoles'
thats is...100% of your supporting position
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
48 million Xbox live "accounts" back in 2010
"Microsoft's Xbox Live has 48 million accounts — around half of whomreportedly paid extra for a gold subscription to play online in 2010"
https://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5045830/steam-65-million-active-accounts-6-million-concurrent-users
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
your 'evidence' is that xbox live has more than 1/2 the number of active steam users which I think was defined as 'playing for 20 mins a month' or something not sure but there is a definition out there on the internets.
so I am not sure I am following what you saying? you seem to be supporting what I am saying
GUYS! come on...really this isnt that hard
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
sbox has 55 milion monthy active users (latest info)
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/xbox-live-monthly-active-user-count-reaches-record-55m-15-last-year/
I dont have time to look for it but I did read that Valve does have a defintion for what they mean when they say 'active users'
guys...the internet exists I know how to use it...kinda
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Executive Officer Satya Nadella mentioned that Xbox Live is the biggest ‘social network’ in the entire gaming market- by which he was probably referring to its monetization, because he did very specifically mention that it makes far more money than any other similar network. This means that, yes, Xbox Live is still more profitable than PSN, and even though Steam may have more users, Microsoft makes more money off of Xbox Live itself.
Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-live-is-the-biggest-gaming-social-network-says-microsoft-ceo#mqOizDbScgfWIZgA.99
I'm not even arguing that Xbox Live has more accounts than Steam, I'm arguing that it's plausible, it could have.
None of your so called evidence proves that wrong. The only *fact* is that *we don't know*
BTW How many Minecraft players are there? Do you need an Xbox Live account to play multiplayer Minecraft? (I don't own Minecraft, I don't know the answer)
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
well that is not being accurate.
You might be taking that position now and not stating it until now but your orginal comment did not in anyway suggest 'plausibility' it suggest 'fact'.
never the less, yes its plausible, highly unlikely but plausible.
The reason the CEO felt comfortable making that statement is because technically Steam itself isnt a 'social network' nor does it technically have a 'social network' it has features that are social in nature though.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
thats great!
understand though that in 2013 Steam had 65 million active users. in 2017 they had 125 million active users.
xbox had 55 million last year
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
The growth correlates with the huge number of downloads on both Android and Apple.
As for the MS claim there will be caveats and notes somewhere that support the MS claim - maybe along the lines of what @SEANMCAD suggests or some other stuff. This data was provided at a Financial Analysts briefing so false info could lead to charges of share price manipulation, court cases, fines, jail time etc.
Looking at some of the pictures however there is reference to MAU's - enough said - Minecraft, Skype and so on.
What MS could be doing here is drawing a parallel to companies that have been pushing MAUS. Saying to analysts that "one chunk of the MS business has more MAUs than the likes of EA, Activision Blizzard etc." Remember that when giving out investor advice.
'Steam Mobile'?
I HIGHLY doubt that. I have steam mobile, dont use it. do you have any evidence to support this or am i just completely confused?
but keep in mind, Steam had more active users in 2013 then xbox live does now. so although its prefectly fine to suggest xbox has the largest social network given the numbers we do have it might be good to provide some level of evidence
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I will never believe anything you have to say.
Microsoft just had a Build Conference and totally broke down Xbox Live.
If I want gaming news I go to where the real gamers are.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1372905
so I provided links to the news story and you simply dont want to believe them.
wow!
ok I understand now
here they are again for reference
sbox has 55 milion monthy active users (latest info)
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/xbox-live-monthly-active-user-count-reaches-record-55m-15-last-year/
Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/464144/microsoft-ceo-xbox-live-is-the-biggest-gaming-social-network/p2#GyJ7m29xr3hwsgke.99
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
yes
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Dude,
Microsoft just has Build yesterday and I provided you links directly from them where Xbox Live is broken down into detail. This is from Microsoft them selves and its the latest data.
Why would I need to even look anywhere else?
Especially from old non Microsoft websites.
again...the evidence i just posted is clear, concise, clear and shows a HUGE difference.
what you and your friends fail to see is that what the CEO would say to me is this
Steam is not an social network
I am very literally making the better argument, with evidence AND even giving you a better arugement for your position.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me