If you sleep, eat and breath a MMO untill it becomes an obsession, you tend to get irratable at the tiniest setback. Obviously this is not the case for all asses in a MMO. But I suspect a large part. Also in other popular online games where some ppl don't do anything else next to playing that game.
If you catch yourself getting annoyed all the time, stop playing.
completely different then what we are talking about here.
'getting offended' and 'explicitly seeking out a game in which I can explicitly and willfully wanting to abuse other people'
is not the same thing
What I mentioned can generate exactly that. You never know for sure how they become so toxic. It is not as if they will truthfully answer your questions about their behaviour.
so for your fomula to exist its a REQUIREMENT for someone to trigger.
that is different then 'oh you shouldnt take things personally' when 'personally' is EXACTLY YOUR OBJECTIVE.
I already mentioned in my original post that it is not the case for everyone. Just that a large part of aggressive ppl in online games are aggressive because of simple stuff ' lack of sleep, being addicted, lack of food, etc etc.' You know as wel as me, that these type of games have people who do almost nothing else. So, again, I suspect a large PART of toxic community, just played too much, making them irritable.
If you sleep, eat and breath a MMO untill it becomes an obsession, you tend to get irratable at the tiniest setback. Obviously this is not the case for all asses in a MMO. But I suspect a large part. Also in other popular online games where some ppl don't do anything else next to playing that game.
If you catch yourself getting annoyed all the time, stop playing.
completely different then what we are talking about here.
'getting offended' and 'explicitly seeking out a game in which I can explicitly and willfully wanting to abuse other people'
is not the same thing
What I mentioned can generate exactly that. You never know for sure how they become so toxic. It is not as if they will truthfully answer your questions about their behaviour.
so for your fomula to exist its a REQUIREMENT for someone to trigger.
that is different then 'oh you shouldnt take things personally' when 'personally' is EXACTLY YOUR OBJECTIVE.
I already mentioned in my original post that it is not the case for everyone. Just that a large part of aggressive ppl in online games are aggressive because of simple stuff ' lack of sleep, being addicted, lack of food, etc etc.' You know as wel as me, that these type of games have people who do almost nothing else. So, again, I suspect a large PART of toxic community, just played too much, making them irritable.
of course its not the case for everyone, we already know that, its well understood, none of my questions seems to suggest otherwise.
people look to so called 'socialize' for a variety of different reasons. you are saying ONE of those reasons is to explicitly 1. be in a position where you dont trust anyone and 2. to successfuly trigger other people.
I am saying that motovation is not smoething I support I never suggested its what everyone wants to do
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Because you can generally be an ass without consequence. Things ppl think and feel in the privacy of their own brain without being willing to express them to peoples faces... are able to come out on the interwebs.
It's human nature out of the 100 dungeon runs to remember that 1, where a troll or (even rarer) abusive person was being disruptive.
Elitism, which is what the OP describes, is something different. From the OP perspective it's the exclusion of lower tier players from higher tier groups. From the other player perspective, it's the refusal of the high tier players to "carry" the lower tier ones. Ultimately, it's a weakness of the game itself, that does not support a multiple tier queue system.
It's human nature out of the 100 dungeon runs to remember that 1, where a troll or (even rarer) abusive person was being disruptive.
Elitism, which is what the OP describes, is something different. From the OP perspective it's the exclusion of lower tier players from higher tier groups. From the other player perspective, it's the refusal of the high tier players to "carry" the lower tier ones. Ultimately, it's a weakness of the game itself, that does not support a multiple tier queue system.
Speaking of trolls Player Unkown Battlegrounds has a lot of them that troll each-other for example someone said bail out now and I jumped off at the military base and got gang banged by like 4 other people, while 5 out of 7 teams were nothing but trolls not caring to win or not.
does anyone else have a gripe about these kinds of things in MMO games ?
No. It is a free world. No one is obligated to play with you for any reason. Likewise, you can always hit the "quit" button for anything you don't like about a group.
It is pretty fair, in my view. When i play, i do not tolerate behaviors i do not like (defined by me), and I fully expect to be kicked for any reason.
Simple solution... find real life friends to game with. Guilds used to be a place to find like-minded individuals but they have all but been killed by the solo auto-queue instant gratification nature of the game.
If you don't have an active guild or real life friends to play with, you get to deal with the cesspool that is online dating err gaming.
And to be honest, PUGs were always toxic... that has never changed. People don't remember them as being toxic because, in most cases, they ran predominantly with guildies. People sought out guilds to join, because without them, they would be stuck searching for PUGs all the time.
Yeah. I can't remember a time when PUGs weren't toxic. Especially as a healer.
*Tank doesn't hold aggro, 5 mobs run past him straight at you.* *DPS ignore the adds on the healer* *Manage to actually heal through the mobs on me but all my healing is focused on staying alive at this point.* *Rest of the group finally wipes.*
I think the answer is yes if you look up the definition of socialization.
For instance, the first definition is "the activity of mixing socially with others." You are mixing socially with others.
The second definition is "The process of learning to behave in a way that is acceptable to society". In this case, it's dependent on what society deems to be the norm. The norm might be being rude in a certain way or doing certain things that wouldn't be accepted in another society.
well that is nice semantic masturbation. I really dont care about that I just wanted to make sure I understood you and no I dont want part of it thank you and I would advocate against promoting that in games. I would consider it a social illness that although is facintating in fiction and we love to watch all the plot twists in the mean it would be considered deviate.
True, but deviate can be fun. Especially if it has no consequences. What fun is there if all you are doing is playing nicely with others and killing heavily scripted mobs you were meant to defeat? That just sounds like a dull time to me.
dont really care if some people consider it fun or not. Its not something I am interested in and its not something i would promote to happen in gaming. Snorting coke while having unprotected sex with a stranger is also fun but I am not going to promote that either
Although snorting coke is addictive and also very unhealthy for you body. I don't think the same could be said of being rude if everyone can accept it as just being in a joking manner.
I assure you, being regularly rude to me in real life could be very unhealthy for your body.
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If you sleep, eat and breath a MMO untill it becomes an obsession, you tend to get irratable at the tiniest setback. Obviously this is not the case for all asses in a MMO. But I suspect a large part. Also in other popular online games where some ppl don't do anything else next to playing that game.
If you catch yourself getting annoyed all the time, stop playing.
completely different then what we are talking about here.
'getting offended' and 'explicitly seeking out a game in which I can explicitly and willfully wanting to abuse other people'
is not the same thing
What I mentioned can generate exactly that. You never know for sure how they become so toxic. It is not as if they will truthfully answer your questions about their behaviour.
so for your fomula to exist its a REQUIREMENT for someone to trigger.
that is different then 'oh you shouldnt take things personally' when 'personally' is EXACTLY YOUR OBJECTIVE.
I already mentioned in my original post that it is not the case for everyone. Just that a large part of aggressive ppl in online games are aggressive because of simple stuff ' lack of sleep, being addicted, lack of food, etc etc.' You know as wel as me, that these type of games have people who do almost nothing else. So, again, I suspect a large PART of toxic community, just played too much, making them irritable.
of course its not the case for everyone, we already know that, its well understood, none of my questions seems to suggest otherwise.
people look to so called 'socialize' for a variety of different reasons. you are saying ONE of those reasons is to explicitly 1. be in a position where you dont trust anyone and 2. to successfuly trigger other people.
I am saying that motovation is not smoething I support I never suggested its what everyone wants to do
If those are the motivations one is seeking I recommend EVE, fits the bill perfectly.
Some find it strange a carebears and generally all around nice guy like me finds Ever environment to be great.
As someone mentioned, with great evil comes the opportunity for greater good.
I've witnessed some of the worst and best player behavior in EVE and forged some great relationships in a short time, largely because I worked with other players towards a common good.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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If you sleep, eat and breath a MMO untill it becomes an obsession, you tend to get irratable at the tiniest setback. Obviously this is not the case for all asses in a MMO. But I suspect a large part. Also in other popular online games where some ppl don't do anything else next to playing that game.
If you catch yourself getting annoyed all the time, stop playing.
completely different then what we are talking about here.
'getting offended' and 'explicitly seeking out a game in which I can explicitly and willfully wanting to abuse other people'
is not the same thing
What I mentioned can generate exactly that. You never know for sure how they become so toxic. It is not as if they will truthfully answer your questions about their behaviour.
so for your fomula to exist its a REQUIREMENT for someone to trigger.
that is different then 'oh you shouldnt take things personally' when 'personally' is EXACTLY YOUR OBJECTIVE.
I already mentioned in my original post that it is not the case for everyone. Just that a large part of aggressive ppl in online games are aggressive because of simple stuff ' lack of sleep, being addicted, lack of food, etc etc.' You know as wel as me, that these type of games have people who do almost nothing else. So, again, I suspect a large PART of toxic community, just played too much, making them irritable.
of course its not the case for everyone, we already know that, its well understood, none of my questions seems to suggest otherwise.
people look to so called 'socialize' for a variety of different reasons. you are saying ONE of those reasons is to explicitly 1. be in a position where you dont trust anyone and 2. to successfuly trigger other people.
I am saying that motovation is not smoething I support I never suggested its what everyone wants to do
If those are the motivations one is seeking I recommend EVE, fits the bill perfectly.
Some find it strange a carebears and generally all around nice guy like me finds Ever environment to be great.
As someone mentioned, with great evil comes the opportunity for greater good.
I've witnessed some of the worst and best player behavior in EVE and forged some great relationships in a short time, largely because I worked with other players towards a common good.
I miss that...
and what example of a common goal might one be?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The thing I really didn't enjoy about EVE from a social aspect was that it seems to be the hardest game I've played to just forge relationships out in the world. People tend to not really use system chat that much and you never really find yourself forming PUGs. You have to join a corporation or alliance to really get into the social aspect of the game.
Given corporations and alliances can have war declared on them, playing them casually is not a good idea. You want to live in the same space. The better ones expect you to train into ships from a list they provide you, and you absolutely need to be in Teamspeak at all times and ready to answer call to arms.
The most extreme ones that hold space may even expect you to give them ways to contact you while you are offline and put out call to arms that expect you to log in and start playing even if you were sleeping, doing homework, whatever, if people are trying to take your space.
EVE socialization is a commitment. It is not for the kind of person that wants to have casual social relationships in their gaming. For me that's an issue because I like to keep my social relationships casual at first, and build more solid friendships with higher commitment levels over time.
If you sleep, eat and breath a MMO untill it becomes an obsession, you tend to get irratable at the tiniest setback. Obviously this is not the case for all asses in a MMO. But I suspect a large part. Also in other popular online games where some ppl don't do anything else next to playing that game.
If you catch yourself getting annoyed all the time, stop playing.
completely different then what we are talking about here.
'getting offended' and 'explicitly seeking out a game in which I can explicitly and willfully wanting to abuse other people'
is not the same thing
What I mentioned can generate exactly that. You never know for sure how they become so toxic. It is not as if they will truthfully answer your questions about their behaviour.
so for your fomula to exist its a REQUIREMENT for someone to trigger.
that is different then 'oh you shouldnt take things personally' when 'personally' is EXACTLY YOUR OBJECTIVE.
I already mentioned in my original post that it is not the case for everyone. Just that a large part of aggressive ppl in online games are aggressive because of simple stuff ' lack of sleep, being addicted, lack of food, etc etc.' You know as wel as me, that these type of games have people who do almost nothing else. So, again, I suspect a large PART of toxic community, just played too much, making them irritable.
of course its not the case for everyone, we already know that, its well understood, none of my questions seems to suggest otherwise.
people look to so called 'socialize' for a variety of different reasons. you are saying ONE of those reasons is to explicitly 1. be in a position where you dont trust anyone and 2. to successfuly trigger other people.
I am saying that motovation is not smoething I support I never suggested its what everyone wants to do
If those are the motivations one is seeking I recommend EVE, fits the bill perfectly.
Some find it strange a carebears and generally all around nice guy like me finds Ever environment to be great.
As someone mentioned, with great evil comes the opportunity for greater good.
I've witnessed some of the worst and best player behavior in EVE and forged some great relationships in a short time, largely because I worked with other players towards a common good.
I miss that...
and what example of a common goal might one be?
Usually staking out a claim and defending your teams "home."
Though with EVE perhaps it's more like gang turf wars.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I think the answer is yes if you look up the definition of socialization.
For instance, the first definition is "the activity of mixing socially with others." You are mixing socially with others.
The second definition is "The process of learning to behave in a way that is acceptable to society". In this case, it's dependent on what society deems to be the norm. The norm might be being rude in a certain way or doing certain things that wouldn't be accepted in another society.
well that is nice semantic masturbation. I really dont care about that I just wanted to make sure I understood you and no I dont want part of it thank you and I would advocate against promoting that in games. I would consider it a social illness that although is facintating in fiction and we love to watch all the plot twists in the mean it would be considered deviate.
True, but deviate can be fun. Especially if it has no consequences. What fun is there if all you are doing is playing nicely with others and killing heavily scripted mobs you were meant to defeat? That just sounds like a dull time to me.
dont really care if some people consider it fun or not. Its not something I am interested in and its not something i would promote to happen in gaming. Snorting coke while having unprotected sex with a stranger is also fun but I am not going to promote that either
Although snorting coke is addictive and also very unhealthy for you body. I don't think the same could be said of being rude if everyone can accept it as just being in a joking manner.
I assure you, being regularly rude to me in real life could be very unhealthy for your body.
That sounds like a fairly toxic threat and idea for someone who thinks toxicity is bad. Negative thoughts lead to negative actions after all. That is unless you enjoy negative actions. Personally, I think things are often just blown out of proportion by people. They can't just relax and enjoy the show. Drama is a theme in plays. It is for entertainment purposes. It's the same in games.
I think one of the most toxic elements of games is forums. Forums in general seem to be about ten times as toxic as the actual game. There are many reasons for that but I think one is the general moderation practices seen on most forums.
There is this invisible and not clearly defined line of what is and isn't acceptable to say in a forum. You can be a general ass but as long as you don't cross this invisible line the moderators will do nothing, and the moment you do, they bring down the hammer.
A lot have people have made a habit of only being just insulting enough to piss people off, but not quite hostile enough to cross that line. So the people who are the root of the problem never get banned, but the people who don't spend as much time toeing the line make responses that fall on the bannable side of it.
Eventually it leads to a lot of your most trolly unproductive members being forum regulars while a lot of decent members who frequently give good input get banned over their reactions to the trolls.
(Not that I can name any forums with this specific issue. *cough* *cough* *cough*)
The solution is you really have to go with one of two extremes. Either step back and say "Don't post any porn or people's personal information and we'll leave you be" or take a hardline stance of "Behave like an asshole whatsoever and we'll ban you." These middle ground halfhearted approaches are just abused by people who like to forum games.
Silly banter is fine with me, outright d-bagness isn't and most times I find myself just calmly blocking these people. These people are all over the internet and not just in games. There is a reason MSN closed down the comments section just recently.
More than a problem of being toxic, players have become super sensitive snow flakes who will kick you over the slightest correction of their mistakes.
Why is it a "problem"? It is entertainment. Why should anyone tolerate anything? In fact, are you the snow flake now complaining how others would not listen to you?
It is not like anyone is obligated to listen or play with you .. and you have the same option of not to tolerate anyone. That seems fair to me.
I think one of the most toxic elements of games is forums. Forums in general seem to be about ten times as toxic as the actual game. There are many reasons for that but I think one is the general moderation practices seen on most forums.
Now you are getting it.
Don't you think people actually WANT to be toxic? That is when they can be themselves, vent, rent, belittle and slap with no consequences.
I think one of the most toxic elements of games is forums. Forums in general seem to be about ten times as toxic as the actual game. There are many reasons for that but I think one is the general moderation practices seen on most forums.
Now you are getting it.
Don't you think people actually WANT to be toxic? That is when they can be themselves, vent, rent, belittle and slap with no consequences.
Welcome to human nature!
I think you are projecting there.
No I think some people are more toxic on forums because they get bullied IRL and want to take it out others. I think some of us get toxic because we are well loved and physically imposing individuals IRL and then we get little snotnoses online who say crap that they would never say to our face, and we just aren't used to having to deal with that kind of crap.
I think the other thing is just the profound stupidity found on forums. IRL I usually only form tight friendships with people who are intelligent enough I enjoy their company, and I usually only associate with my friends on a regular basis. Then you get on a forum to exchange ideas and while there are some people who bring really great ideas to the table ( @Loke666, @Brald_Ironheart, @Steelhelm ) you also get some individuals whose ideas are so painfully bad you wish they had to take some kind of IQ test to be allowed to post (Not going to tag people for that but I'm sure they might denote themselves by LOLing this post.)
These are the kind of people that you would oust from your group of friends IRL because they are annoying and contribute nothing of value to the conversation, but online they can continue to come in and post in every thread you take part it, and there is no effective means of ignoring participants of an open discussion.
No I think some people are more toxic on forums because they get bullied IRL and want to take it out others. I think some of us get toxic because we are well loved and physically imposing individuals IRL and then we get little snotnoses online who say crap that they would never say to our face, and we just aren't used to having to deal with that kind of crap.
This is just a theory but I feel ego's play a large part in the equation. You have some people who simply troll and then egos kick in. This creates many different forms of assholery and elitism found in games today in my opinion. Sadly a few of these types seem like many more as many players don't respond in chat. While I have experiences toxic players in every game and chat, I feel there are some games where this is less prevalent than others. In GW2 and now in SWL I don't see this anywhere near as much as I did in other games. Maybe its a recent thing or its just these games. I am unsure.
I think one of the most toxic elements of games is forums. Forums in general seem to be about ten times as toxic as the actual game. There are many reasons for that but I think one is the general moderation practices seen on most forums.
Now you are getting it.
Don't you think people actually WANT to be toxic? That is when they can be themselves, vent, rent, belittle and slap with no consequences.
Welcome to human nature!
I think you are projecting there.
No I think some people are more toxic on forums because they get bullied IRL and want to take it out others. I think some of us get toxic because we are well loved and physically imposing individuals IRL and then we get little snotnoses online who say crap that they would never say to our face, and we just aren't used to having to deal with that kind of crap.
I think the other thing is just the profound stupidity found on forums. IRL I usually only form tight friendships with people who are intelligent enough I enjoy their company, and I usually only associate with my friends on a regular basis. Then you get on a forum to exchange ideas and while there are some people who bring really great ideas to the table ( @Loke666, @Brald_Ironheart, @Steelhelm ) you also get some individuals whose ideas are so painfully bad you wish they had to take some kind of IQ test to be allowed to post (Not going to tag people for that but I'm sure they might denote themselves by LOLing this post.)
These are the kind of people that you would oust from your group of friends IRL because they are annoying and contribute nothing of value to the conversation, but online they can continue to come in and post in every thread you take part it, and there is no effective means of ignoring participants of an open discussion.
This seems a bit like a superiority complex. Calling others dumb because they don't agree with your idea of how people should treat each other is wrong. An intelligent person would be able to look at both sides of the coin and see things that are useful in each. A toxic person can bring fun and entertainment if you aren't so caught up with the idea of wasting time in a game of all things. Games are a waste of time after all. My recommendation is to do some meditation and control your mind so that people can't easily agitate you with rude comments. That would probably be a better way to spend your time than playing an MMORPG. I am not sure how people get any entertainment value out of climbing leader boards in a purely non-interactive environment. After a while, it just becomes the same thing if there is no human element involved.
I think one of the most toxic elements of games is forums. Forums in general seem to be about ten times as toxic as the actual game. There are many reasons for that but I think one is the general moderation practices seen on most forums.
Now you are getting it.
Don't you think people actually WANT to be toxic? That is when they can be themselves, vent, rent, belittle and slap with no consequences.
Welcome to human nature!
I think you are projecting there.
No I think some people are more toxic on forums because they get bullied IRL and want to take it out others. I think some of us get toxic because we are well loved and physically imposing individuals IRL and then we get little snotnoses online who say crap that they would never say to our face, and we just aren't used to having to deal with that kind of crap.
I think the other thing is just the profound stupidity found on forums. IRL I usually only form tight friendships with people who are intelligent enough I enjoy their company, and I usually only associate with my friends on a regular basis. Then you get on a forum to exchange ideas and while there are some people who bring really great ideas to the table ( @Loke666, @Brald_Ironheart, @Steelhelm ) you also get some individuals whose ideas are so painfully bad you wish they had to take some kind of IQ test to be allowed to post (Not going to tag people for that but I'm sure they might denote themselves by LOLing this post.)
These are the kind of people that you would oust from your group of friends IRL because they are annoying and contribute nothing of value to the conversation, but online they can continue to come in and post in every thread you take part it, and there is no effective means of ignoring participants of an open discussion.
This seems a bit like a superiority complex. Calling others dumb because they don't agree with your idea of how people should treat each other is wrong. ....
dont you think you are being a bit hyper-sensitive?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I think one of the most toxic elements of games is forums. Forums in general seem to be about ten times as toxic as the actual game. There are many reasons for that but I think one is the general moderation practices seen on most forums.
Now you are getting it.
Don't you think people actually WANT to be toxic? That is when they can be themselves, vent, rent, belittle and slap with no consequences.
Welcome to human nature!
I think you are projecting there.
No I think some people are more toxic on forums because they get bullied IRL and want to take it out others. I think some of us get toxic because we are well loved and physically imposing individuals IRL and then we get little snotnoses online who say crap that they would never say to our face, and we just aren't used to having to deal with that kind of crap.
I think the other thing is just the profound stupidity found on forums. IRL I usually only form tight friendships with people who are intelligent enough I enjoy their company, and I usually only associate with my friends on a regular basis. Then you get on a forum to exchange ideas and while there are some people who bring really great ideas to the table ( @Loke666, @Brald_Ironheart, @Steelhelm ) you also get some individuals whose ideas are so painfully bad you wish they had to take some kind of IQ test to be allowed to post (Not going to tag people for that but I'm sure they might denote themselves by LOLing this post.)
These are the kind of people that you would oust from your group of friends IRL because they are annoying and contribute nothing of value to the conversation, but online they can continue to come in and post in every thread you take part it, and there is no effective means of ignoring participants of an open discussion.
This seems a bit like a superiority complex. Calling others dumb because they don't agree with your idea of how people should treat each other is wrong. ....
dont you think you are being a bit hyper-sensitive?
While there may be some physical health benefits to being empathetic towards others I believe this is more of an opinion based topic where it's based more on point of view. There is no definitive right and wrong. It is all based on what most people in society believe at a place in time and that varies from time to time and culture to culture.
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So, again, I suspect a large PART of toxic community, just played too much, making them irritable.
people look to so called 'socialize' for a variety of different reasons. you are saying ONE of those reasons is to explicitly 1. be in a position where you dont trust anyone and 2. to successfuly trigger other people.
I am saying that motovation is not smoething I support I never suggested its what everyone wants to do
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I self identify as a monkey.
Elitism, which is what the OP describes, is something different. From the OP perspective it's the exclusion of lower tier players from higher tier groups. From the other player perspective, it's the refusal of the high tier players to "carry" the lower tier ones. Ultimately, it's a weakness of the game itself, that does not support a multiple tier queue system.
It is pretty fair, in my view. When i play, i do not tolerate behaviors i do not like (defined by me), and I fully expect to be kicked for any reason.
*Tank doesn't hold aggro, 5 mobs run past him straight at you.*
*DPS ignore the adds on the healer*
*Manage to actually heal through the mobs on me but all my healing is focused on staying alive at this point.*
*Rest of the group finally wipes.*
"WTF!? WHERE WERE MY HEALS!?"
"I don't know? Where was my tanking and DPS?!"
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Some find it strange a carebears and generally all around nice guy like me finds Ever environment to be great.
As someone mentioned, with great evil comes the opportunity for greater good.
I've witnessed some of the worst and best player behavior in EVE and forged some great relationships in a short time, largely because I worked with other players towards a common good.
I miss that...
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Given corporations and alliances can have war declared on them, playing them casually is not a good idea. You want to live in the same space. The better ones expect you to train into ships from a list they provide you, and you absolutely need to be in Teamspeak at all times and ready to answer call to arms.
The most extreme ones that hold space may even expect you to give them ways to contact you while you are offline and put out call to arms that expect you to log in and start playing even if you were sleeping, doing homework, whatever, if people are trying to take your space.
EVE socialization is a commitment. It is not for the kind of person that wants to have casual social relationships in their gaming. For me that's an issue because I like to keep my social relationships casual at first, and build more solid friendships with higher commitment levels over time.
Though with EVE perhaps it's more like gang turf wars.
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There is this invisible and not clearly defined line of what is and isn't acceptable to say in a forum. You can be a general ass but as long as you don't cross this invisible line the moderators will do nothing, and the moment you do, they bring down the hammer.
A lot have people have made a habit of only being just insulting enough to piss people off, but not quite hostile enough to cross that line. So the people who are the root of the problem never get banned, but the people who don't spend as much time toeing the line make responses that fall on the bannable side of it.
Eventually it leads to a lot of your most trolly unproductive members being forum regulars while a lot of decent members who frequently give good input get banned over their reactions to the trolls.
(Not that I can name any forums with this specific issue. *cough* *cough* *cough*)
The solution is you really have to go with one of two extremes. Either step back and say "Don't post any porn or people's personal information and we'll leave you be" or take a hardline stance of "Behave like an asshole whatsoever and we'll ban you." These middle ground halfhearted approaches are just abused by people who like to forum games.
Don't you think people actually WANT to be toxic? That is when they can be themselves, vent, rent, belittle and slap with no consequences.
Welcome to human nature!
No I think some people are more toxic on forums because they get bullied IRL and want to take it out others. I think some of us get toxic because we are well loved and physically imposing individuals IRL and then we get little snotnoses online who say crap that they would never say to our face, and we just aren't used to having to deal with that kind of crap.
I think the other thing is just the profound stupidity found on forums. IRL I usually only form tight friendships with people who are intelligent enough I enjoy their company, and I usually only associate with my friends on a regular basis. Then you get on a forum to exchange ideas and while there are some people who bring really great ideas to the table ( @Loke666, @Brald_Ironheart, @Steelhelm ) you also get some individuals whose ideas are so painfully bad you wish they had to take some kind of IQ test to be allowed to post (Not going to tag people for that but I'm sure they might denote themselves by LOLing this post.)
These are the kind of people that you would oust from your group of friends IRL because they are annoying and contribute nothing of value to the conversation, but online they can continue to come in and post in every thread you take part it, and there is no effective means of ignoring participants of an open discussion.
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