ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on January 1, 1983, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet. The online world then took on a more recognizable form in 1990, when computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.Dec 18, 2013.
i also like this quote: In the early 1980s the NSF funded the establishment for national supercomputing centers at several universities, and provided interconnectivity in 1986 with the NSFNET project, which also created network access to the supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations
So I guess if your sitting at a university, have access and are in the computer science department you might have been able to use the internet to access other university students in the sciences before 1987 but that is about it.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on January 1, 1983, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet. The online world then took on a more recognizable form in 1990, when computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.Dec 18, 2013
Lookup Symbolics.com in the history of the Internet. I worked there.
Back in the 80s you had netcom.com with email addresses such as wjr@netcom.com.
I believe you are mistaking Internet with world wide web. FUN FACT, hypertext systems existed before WWW: Ref: Symbolics Document Examiner.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on January 1, 1983, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet. The online world then took on a more recognizable form in 1990, when computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.Dec 18, 2013
Lookup Symbolics.com in the history of the Internet. I worked there.
Back in the 80s you had netcom.com with email addresses such as wjr@netcom.com.
I believe you are mistaking Internet with world wide web. FUN FACT, hypertext systems existed before WWW: Ref: Symbolics Document Examiner.
well I dont think I am mistaking it. I wouldnt consider university use between universities using 'the internet' to share research data to be 'public use' even though in the most asshat of ways defining it I suppose it could be.
but yeah I am aware that WWW is not the internet but I will say I thought the lag between the two was considerably smaller but seriously? public use? come on
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
It's not just in MMO games, it's in every online game. It also depends on the community type as well.
You get a lot of children in F2P games or at least people who aren't really old enough to have income dedicated towards an MMORPG or paying for a game. Kids tend to be extremely immature and toxic. Which is why games like LoL or Dota 2 have some of the worst communities I have ever seen. It's similar in the MMO space as well with F2P and P2P games. The F2P/B2P games I've played tend to have a lot of extremely impatient and aggressive players, who are extremely toxic when you don't do exactly what they want. But I've noticed in P2P games, it's not the same. When playing FFXIV doing a raid, I experienced one player ever being toxic (out of quite a few raids) and he was instantly shunned by the other players in the party.
Now I'm not saying that's the only reason because there are plenty of other things that might factor into the toxicity as well. Also there are some outliers like WoW tends to have extremely toxic players in certain end game tasks like PvP and raiding but I think that has a lot to do with the age of players as well.
Also the type of game usually attracts certain types of players. I'm pretty sure games with a hardcore raiding end game will usually attract hardcore raiding players, who don't want any form of new player in it, who will bring them down from getting better gear. Same thing with PvP games. I've noticed in open world PvP games the players who have crazy gear tend to be super aggressive towards anyone who doesn't and if they gank someone usually harass the player, or keep ganking them over and over. Now I'm not saying all people in those games are like this, it's just looking at the communities.
ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on January 1, 1983, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet. The online world then took on a more recognizable form in 1990, when computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.Dec 18, 2013
Lookup Symbolics.com in the history of the Internet. I worked there.
Back in the 80s you had netcom.com with email addresses such as wjr@netcom.com.
I believe you are mistaking Internet with world wide web. FUN FACT, hypertext systems existed before WWW: Ref: Symbolics Document Examiner.
well I dont think I am mistaking it. I wouldnt consider university use between universities using 'the internet' to share research data to be 'public use' even though in the most asshat of ways defining it I suppose it could be.
but yeah I am aware that WWW is not the internet but I will say I thought the lag between the two was considerably smaller but seriously? public use? come on
Netcom was not a university. Neither was Symbolics. Business used the Internet which means it is open to the public. You might have an overly narrow definition of public.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Netcom was not a university. Neither was Symbolics. Business used the Internet which means it is open to the public. You might have an overly narrow definition of public.
lol..
yeah I will go with that part then to end this quickly as possible.
'I have an overly narrow definition of public'
reminder of the source that started this someone talking about how awesome it was that his 'internet' access was 'free'.
ok yeah..free...to do....what on this internet exactly?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Netcom was not a university. Neither was Symbolics. Business used the Internet which means it is open to the public. You might have an overly narrow definition of public.
lol..
yeah I will go with that part then to end this quickly as possible.
'I have an overly narrow definition of public'
reminder of the source that started this someone talking about how awesome it was that his 'internet' access was 'free'.
ok yeah..free...to do....what on this internet exactly?
My favorite thing was USENET.
Playing games. Email. Writing networking code.
Now somehow you are going to take shit on this. But it has been demonstrated that people had access to the Internet. Google netcom if you will as it was an ISP. Now true, it was a UNIX shell account but who didn't do UNIX back then? Didn't you?
You talk out your butt on things you don't know about. I was there. Where were you? Many people didn't learn about the Internet until WWW.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Netcom was not a university. Neither was Symbolics. Business used the Internet which means it is open to the public. You might have an overly narrow definition of public.
lol..
yeah I will go with that part then to end this quickly as possible.
'I have an overly narrow definition of public'
reminder of the source that started this someone talking about how awesome it was that his 'internet' access was 'free'.
ok yeah..free...to do....what on this internet exactly?
My favorite thing was USENET.
Playing games. Email. Writing networking code.
Now somehow you are going to take shit on this. But it has been demonstrated that people had access to the Internet. Google netcom if you will as it was an ISP. Now true, it was a UNIX shell account but who didn't do UNIX back then? Didn't you?
You talk out your butt on things you don't know about. I was there. Where were you? Many people didn't learn about the Internet until WWW.
1. here is the quote I responded to:
'My father was ..erhmm creative and all my interent access was free , in those days , Was awesome'
So yes, I dont consider 'access too' the same as 'publicly available' in the context of what I think he was trying to suggest which seems to me if 'price' was something even worth talking about we were at a point where it would be intresting to actually do something on the internet in 1987. So yes, my definition of 'public' is horrible wrong but I think its also more accurate to the intent of the conversation.
2. there is also about a billion better ways you and asshat could have gone about 'correcting' something that is barely even important to the conversation.
are we done yet or is yet again this unimportant aspect going to turn into a thing?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
You talk out your butt on things you don't know about. I was there. Where were you? Many people didn't learn about the Internet until WWW.
And many more were perfectly aware it was there but it wasn't all that useful for the typical computer user until after Windows 3 and Mosaic.
Which just goes to show, once again, how key GUIs were and are to the general acceptance of everything PC related by the masses.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on January 1, 1983, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet. The online world then took on a more recognizable form in 1990, when computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.Dec 18, 2013.
i also like this quote: In the early 1980s the NSF funded the establishment for national supercomputing centers at several universities, and provided interconnectivity in 1986 with the NSFNET project, which also created network access to the supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations
So I guess if your sitting at a university, have access and are in the computer science department you might have been able to use the internet to access other university students in the sciences before 1987 but that is about it.
Please stand by while I blow your mind: the WWW (the Web) is *not* the same thing as the Internet. The Net existed before the Web. The Web is a means of accessing and navigating the Internet. It isn't the Net itself. On the other hand, BBSes are not the Internet. So you're right about that. Even national BBSes like AOL and CompuServe were not part of the Net. Later on, they had gateways that led to the Net, but they themselves were not part of it.
And, yes, I once used Mosaic, before Netscape came out with their Navigator. And before that, I used Gopher. Gopher existed before the Web was created. I was able to access the Net back then through the Point of Presence at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (which had access to T-3 line, IIRC).
ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on January 1, 1983, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet. The online world then took on a more recognizable form in 1990, when computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.Dec 18, 2013.
i also like this quote: In the early 1980s the NSF funded the establishment for national supercomputing centers at several universities, and provided interconnectivity in 1986 with the NSFNET project, which also created network access to the supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations
So I guess if your sitting at a university, have access and are in the computer science department you might have been able to use the internet to access other university students in the sciences before 1987 but that is about it.
Please stand by while I blow your mind: the WWW (the Web) is *not* the same thing as the Internet. The Net existed before the Web. The Web is a means of accessing and navigating the Internet. It isn't the Net itself. On the other hand, BBSes are not the Internet. So you're right about that. Even national BBSes like AOL and CompuServe were not part of the Net. Later on, they had gateways that led to the Net, but they themselves were not part of it.
And, yes, I once used Mosaic, before Netscape came out with their Navigator. And before that, I used Gopher. Gopher existed before the Web was created. I was able to access the Net back then through the Point of Presence at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (which had access to T-3 line, IIRC).
1. I know WWW is not the same thing as the internet. 2. The internet existing for some public people with access to university mainframes is not the same thing as 'publicly available' in the context of the conversation at hand. 3. Here is what you need to know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet 'n the early 1980s the NSF funded the establishment for national supercomputing centers at several universities, and provided interconnectivity in 1986 with the NSFNET project, which also created network access to the supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations'
aka...being a professor with access to a mainframe to play chess with other professors is not really 'public' in the context of the conversation.
the internet was not 'widely publicly available in 1987' is that better than just 'publicly available'
talk about some hairsplitting
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Lately i've gotten back into ESO on PS4 and this return was to play the new expansion and i've been playing for a few weeks now. I've made some new friends joined some guilds but noticed most of these people are more casual players which is fine with me i get bored and play other games.
I've also noticed the more hardcore players that are just randoms and these are the people i worry about when doing dungeons of any sort. and the reason behind this is when i see players that are CP 630 i can tell they are powerful players but also most of them tend to be pricks to anyone lower CP to them. 9 out of 10 times in vet dungeons they will complain that you are not good enough to run with them and they will vote to kick you sometimes by the time you load into the dungeon they have already voted to kick you. this ends up making you wait 10+ minutes before you get to que again.
I got kicked out of two pledge runs in the same day by three CP630 players before we even got started fighting. i'm CP281 and i know most dungeons and i'm constantly working on improving my gear and stats and i do run with guildies when some are online but not all the time so i'm kind of at the mercy of playing with more random people.
I guess when people play long enough to reach CP630 they get a change of attitude towards lower players and all. as for being a lower cp player some of us have major issues with being treated this way seeing how not all of us have the time others do to get to CP630 and do trials and all and i for one don't wanna spend my time being kicked from groups and to wait awhile to re-que up.
I've also now started worrying more about being kicked out of dungeons then actually completing the dungeons which i think is just frigging sad.
does anyone else have a gripe about these kinds of things in MMO games ?
Just Elitist twits who have no real life and have to be awesome in games to feel better about themselves. Feel bad for them.
Netcom was not a university. Neither was Symbolics. Business used the Internet which means it is open to the public. You might have an overly narrow definition of public.
lol..
yeah I will go with that part then to end this quickly as possible.
'I have an overly narrow definition of public'
reminder of the source that started this someone talking about how awesome it was that his 'internet' access was 'free'.
ok yeah..free...to do....what on this internet exactly?
Yea ,so , like i said you semantics are weak as usual ..
Why bother .. yes we had Games , Mail , News ..filesharing ,IM ,Chat ...
So basically exactly what we have today , except much prettier , easier ,faster (again no semantics neccassary)
As for Public access , anyone in the country that could ..
Own a C64
Buy Quatum-Link
Set up an Acct
This was avaible to every single person .. So that covers Public i would say .. ANYONE that could or wanted to could have access ... I believe that covers the PUBLIC .. aint that rich
Netcom was not a university. Neither was Symbolics. Business used the Internet which means it is open to the public. You might have an overly narrow definition of public.
lol..
yeah I will go with that part then to end this quickly as possible.
'I have an overly narrow definition of public'
reminder of the source that started this someone talking about how awesome it was that his 'internet' access was 'free'.
ok yeah..free...to do....what on this internet exactly?
Yea ,so , like i said you semantics are weak as usual ..
Why bother .. yes we had Games , Mail , News ..filesharing ,IM ,Chat ...
So basically exactly what we have today , except much prettier , easier ,faster (again no semantics neccassary)
As for Public access , anyone in the country that could ..
Own a C64
Buy Quatum-Link
Set up an Acct
This was avaible to every single person .. So that covers Public i would say .. ANYONE that could or wanted to could have access ... I believe that covers the PUBLIC .. aint that rich
whatever dude I dont think anyone even recalls what the orginal point of all that was.
here have a cookie you win, it just not worth dicking over frankly
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
So I think that this whole conversation merely suggests that maybe it's not just MMOs that are filled with toxic people. Also, "filled" is a pretty subjective assertion. I think it's highly unlikely that anyone has even witnessed 1% of an MMO being toxic. I'd suggest that the Internet has simply refined us to be much more efficient at being assholes.
If you want to be a real dick, next time someone asks you for a bandaid, tell them you don't have any, you only have cloth bandages, showing them the box. Then when they say "Yeah, that's what I meant." Explain to them how bandaid is a brand, not an object. When you're done, ask them if they'd like a "CLOTH BANDAGE"? If you're able to complete this task convincingly while keeping a straight face, congrats, you graduate to douche canoe status.
Is it? LoL is toxic, but is it any more or less toxic than anything else? There is a lot of talk about subjectivity here, but you're asserting that LoL is somehow more toxic than anything else, but there's nothing I'm aware of that proves otherwise.
Why does that have to do with anything?
If it is the same level of toxicity than everything else .. that just make my point. It is a sea of toxicity in LoL *and* other games. And players don't mind. They don't switch to TV, or anime, or reading novels, because they don't care.
In fact, it is exactly that. Even if a game is not toxic, most are at least apathetic.
You need to read more carefully. I did not assert that LoL is "more toxic". I am asserting that LoL is toxic (which no one disagree) and its toxicity is not a showstopper to its success.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
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BBSs are not the internet.
ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on January 1, 1983, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet. The online world then took on a more recognizable form in 1990, when computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.Dec 18, 2013.
i also like this quote:
In the early 1980s the NSF funded the establishment for national supercomputing centers at several universities, and provided interconnectivity in 1986 with the NSFNET project, which also created network access to the supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations
So I guess if your sitting at a university, have access and are in the computer science department you might have been able to use the internet to access other university students in the sciences before 1987 but that is about it.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Lookup Symbolics.com in the history of the Internet. I worked there.
Back in the 80s you had netcom.com with email addresses such as wjr@netcom.com.
I believe you are mistaking Internet with world wide web. FUN FACT, hypertext systems existed before WWW: Ref: Symbolics Document Examiner.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
but yeah I am aware that WWW is not the internet but I will say I thought the lag between the two was considerably smaller but seriously? public use? come on
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You get a lot of children in F2P games or at least people who aren't really old enough to have income dedicated towards an MMORPG or paying for a game. Kids tend to be extremely immature and toxic. Which is why games like LoL or Dota 2 have some of the worst communities I have ever seen. It's similar in the MMO space as well with F2P and P2P games. The F2P/B2P games I've played tend to have a lot of extremely impatient and aggressive players, who are extremely toxic when you don't do exactly what they want. But I've noticed in P2P games, it's not the same. When playing FFXIV doing a raid, I experienced one player ever being toxic (out of quite a few raids) and he was instantly shunned by the other players in the party.
Now I'm not saying that's the only reason because there are plenty of other things that might factor into the toxicity as well. Also there are some outliers like WoW tends to have extremely toxic players in certain end game tasks like PvP and raiding but I think that has a lot to do with the age of players as well.
Also the type of game usually attracts certain types of players. I'm pretty sure games with a hardcore raiding end game will usually attract hardcore raiding players, who don't want any form of new player in it, who will bring them down from getting better gear. Same thing with PvP games. I've noticed in open world PvP games the players who have crazy gear tend to be super aggressive towards anyone who doesn't and if they gank someone usually harass the player, or keep ganking them over and over. Now I'm not saying all people in those games are like this, it's just looking at the communities.
Netcom was not a university. Neither was Symbolics. Business used the Internet which means it is open to the public. You might have an overly narrow definition of public.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
yeah I will go with that part then to end this quickly as possible.
'I have an overly narrow definition of public'
reminder of the source that started this someone talking about how awesome it was that his 'internet' access was 'free'.
ok yeah..free...to do....what on this internet exactly?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
My favorite thing was USENET.
Playing games. Email. Writing networking code.
Now somehow you are going to take shit on this. But it has been demonstrated that people had access to the Internet. Google netcom if you will as it was an ISP. Now true, it was a UNIX shell account but who didn't do UNIX back then? Didn't you?
You talk out your butt on things you don't know about. I was there. Where were you? Many people didn't learn about the Internet until WWW.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
2. there is also about a billion better ways you and asshat could have gone about 'correcting' something that is barely even important to the conversation.
are we done yet or is yet again this unimportant aspect going to turn into a thing?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Which just goes to show, once again, how key GUIs were and are to the general acceptance of everything PC related by the masses.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Please stand by while I blow your mind: the WWW (the Web) is *not* the same thing as the Internet. The Net existed before the Web. The Web is a means of accessing and navigating the Internet. It isn't the Net itself.
On the other hand, BBSes are not the Internet. So you're right about that. Even national BBSes like AOL and CompuServe were not part of the Net. Later on, they had gateways that led to the Net, but they themselves were not part of it.
And, yes, I once used Mosaic, before Netscape came out with their Navigator. And before that, I used Gopher. Gopher existed before the Web was created. I was able to access the Net back then through the Point of Presence at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (which had access to T-3 line, IIRC).
2. The internet existing for some public people with access to university mainframes is not the same thing as 'publicly available' in the context of the conversation at hand.
3. Here is what you need to know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
'n the early 1980s the NSF funded the establishment for national supercomputing centers at several universities, and provided interconnectivity in 1986 with the NSFNET project, which also created network access to the supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations'
aka...being a professor with access to a mainframe to play chess with other professors is not really 'public' in the context of the conversation.
the internet was not 'widely publicly available in 1987' is that better than just 'publicly available'
talk about some hairsplitting
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Why bother .. yes we had Games , Mail , News ..filesharing ,IM ,Chat ...
So basically exactly what we have today , except much prettier , easier ,faster (again no semantics neccassary)
As for Public access , anyone in the country that could ..
Own a C64
Buy Quatum-Link
Set up an Acct
This was avaible to every single person .. So that covers Public i would say .. ANYONE that could or wanted to could have access ... I believe that covers the PUBLIC .. aint that rich
here have a cookie you win, it just not worth dicking over frankly
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
If you want to be a real dick, next time someone asks you for a bandaid, tell them you don't have any, you only have cloth bandages, showing them the box. Then when they say "Yeah, that's what I meant." Explain to them how bandaid is a brand, not an object. When you're done, ask them if they'd like a "CLOTH BANDAGE"? If you're able to complete this task convincingly while keeping a straight face, congrats, you graduate to douche canoe status.
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If it is the same level of toxicity than everything else .. that just make my point. It is a sea of toxicity in LoL *and* other games. And players don't mind. They don't switch to TV, or anime, or reading novels, because they don't care.
In fact, it is exactly that. Even if a game is not toxic, most are at least apathetic.
You need to read more carefully. I did not assert that LoL is "more toxic". I am asserting that LoL is toxic (which no one disagree) and its toxicity is not a showstopper to its success.
When MS decided that the Internet was important to them (back then) people were calling them late to the game. Just a little perspective.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Let's party like it is 1863!
I've been "online" since the early 80's and on the net since the early 90's but his chart I'm linking should give you some perspective of its usage.
TLDR: 0.4% of the world population used it in 1995, 10% used it in 2003, it reached 25% in 2009 and it's 49.6% today.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm
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