Here is an example 'They claim it will not make a difference but I dont see how its going to happen' vs
'You will have to work for hours to get a ship that good'
'but I dont see how its going to happen' - Does the I part of this statement have any relevance on the sharing of information beyond expressing that they have no further information on the first part of the statement or do they have known facts that contradict the possibility of the first part of the statement from being true? Otherwise it is just more speculation. So it means this sentence is either irrelevant, a clueless guess, or a precursor to some further factual information.
That makes zero sense.
'but I dont see how its going to happen'
is not a statement of speculation, it is a fact that I....do not....see....how...its...going.....to happen. however if it was there is nothing wrong with a speculative statement. The problem is framing a speculation as if its fact.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
how did I know my bae Elite Dangerous was going to be dragged into this? leave her alone please, she deserves better than to be mentioned with No Citizen!
Nah really, are we going to keep acting surprised with anything CIG does at this point? I don't think many people will be buying 800.00 ships so to me it's just them trying to see how far they can go every time they do this bs..800.00 ships today, 200k private spaceports tomorrow! I mean come on they can't be serious (oh shit they are actually serious)
I ignore them personally speak with our wallets not our fingertips..not getting a cent more from me outside that initial donation I gave years ago.
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Here is an example 'They claim it will not make a difference but I dont see how its going to happen' vs
'You will have to work for hours to get a ship that good'
'but I dont see how its going to happen' - Does the I part of this statement have any relevance on the sharing of information beyond expressing that they have no further information on the first part of the statement or do they have known facts that contradict the possibility of the first part of the statement from being true? Otherwise it is just more speculation. So it means this sentence is either irrelevant, a clueless guess, or a precursor to some further factual information.
That makes zero sense.
'but I dont see how its going to happen'
is not a statement of speculation, it is a fact that I....do not....see....how...its...going.....to happen. however if it was there is nothing wrong with a speculative statement. The problem is framing a speculation as if its fact.
the 'I dont see how its going to happen' part of it is irrelevant to the previous part of the statement being a fact or not being as no further factual contradicting information is presented, exactly as stated.
Here is an example 'They claim it will not make a difference but I dont see how its going to happen' vs
'You will have to work for hours to get a ship that good'
'but I dont see how its going to happen' - Does the I part of this statement have any relevance on the sharing of information beyond expressing that they have no further information on the first part of the statement or do they have known facts that contradict the possibility of the first part of the statement from being true? Otherwise it is just more speculation. So it means this sentence is either irrelevant, a clueless guess, or a precursor to some further factual information.
That makes zero sense.
'but I dont see how its going to happen'
is not a statement of speculation, it is a fact that I....do not....see....how...its...going.....to happen. however if it was there is nothing wrong with a speculative statement. The problem is framing a speculation as if its fact.
the 'I' part of it is irrelevant to the previous part of the statement being a fact or not.
yes...it is, its absolutely required
why are you being so defensive about this? look if you want to spread speculations as facts I cant stop you but its not very productive for you, everyone sees right thru it
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
why are you being so defensive about this? look if you want to spread speculations as facts I cant stop you but its not very productive for you, everyone sees right thru it
I think you should perhaps reread what was written very carefully.
My statement has nothing to do with wanting to spread speculation as facts.
Here is an example 'They claim it will not make a difference but I dont see how its going to happen' vs
'You will have to work for hours to get a ship that good'
'but I dont see how its going to happen' - Does the I part of this statement have any relevance on the sharing of information beyond expressing that they have no further information on the first part of the statement or do they have known facts that contradict the possibility of the first part of the statement from being true? Otherwise it is just more speculation. So it means this sentence is either irrelevant, a clueless guess, or a precursor to some further factual information.
That makes zero sense.
'but I dont see how its going to happen'
is not a statement of speculation, it is a fact that I....do not....see....how...its...going.....to happen. however if it was there is nothing wrong with a speculative statement. The problem is framing a speculation as if its fact.
the 'I' part of it is irrelevant to the previous part of the statement being a fact or not.
yes...it is, its absolutely required
why are you being so defensive about this? look if you want to spread speculations as facts I cant stop you but its not very productive for you, everyone sees right thru it
I think you should perhaps reread what was written very carefully.
My statement has nothing to do with wanting to spread speculation as facts and is in fact the very opposite, I am talking about how the statements are backed by known information and facts or they are not.
the problem with all that is that they have stated that there will not be anvantage and you do not know how they are going to do that and best I can tell they havent said 100% of all game play is disclosed.
maybe everything applies unless you are in combat with a player then it goes into 'everyone is exactly the same' mode. who know, i just made up that one possiblity.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Here is an example 'They claim it will not make a difference but I dont see how its going to happen' vs
'You will have to work for hours to get a ship that good'
'but I dont see how its going to happen' - Does the I part of this statement have any relevance on the sharing of information beyond expressing that they have no further information on the first part of the statement or do they have known facts that contradict the possibility of the first part of the statement from being true? Otherwise it is just more speculation. So it means this sentence is either irrelevant, a clueless guess, or a precursor to some further factual information.
That makes zero sense.
'but I dont see how its going to happen'
is not a statement of speculation, it is a fact that I....do not....see....how...its...going.....to happen. however if it was there is nothing wrong with a speculative statement. The problem is framing a speculation as if its fact.
the 'I' part of it is irrelevant to the previous part of the statement being a fact or not.
yes...it is, its absolutely required
why are you being so defensive about this? look if you want to spread speculations as facts I cant stop you but its not very productive for you, everyone sees right thru it
I think you should perhaps reread what was written very carefully.
My statement has nothing to do with wanting to spread speculation as facts and is in fact the very opposite, I am talking about how the statements are backed by known information and facts or they are not.
the problem with all that is that they have stated that there will not be anvantage and you do not know how they are going to do that and best I can tell they havent said 100% of all game play is disclosed.
maybe everything applies unless you are in combat with a player then it goes into 'everyone is exactly the same' mode. who know, i just made up that one possiblity.
Well I just wanted to prevent forums posts from needing qualifiers for every sentence or statement which would just make everything look rather ridiculous and would be the first forum to ever need it.
Facts based on known information are easily verifiable, that is of course presuming that relaying information based on facts to enable discussion is the reason for posting.
I think it's time to move on. Fact or speculation, Star Citizen is guilty of stating fact in content or game mechanics only to reverse themselves because there were unforseen issues or simply felt there was a better way and even then, there is nothing in our hands to show for it yet. It's not the first game to do so and won't be the last. Until the game has more substance and in a more polished state where we can see it's implemented content, all really just speculation.. which is what has kept this forum alive, interesting and debatable.
I will try and word things in a more speculative manner as well but also realize none of us really knows quite yet.
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Well I just wanted to prevent forums posts from needing qualifiers for every sentence or statement which would just make everything look rather ridiculous and would be the first forum to ever need it.
Facts based on known information are easily verifiable, that is of course presuming that relaying information based on facts to enable discussion is the reason for posting.
the problem however in this context is because its foundationial.
They have STATED that no ships will have an advantage however they have not stated how...as of yet.
Its reasonable for one in this specific context to consider that, not considering it paints one as being unfair and most people can see right thru it.
understood?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Well I just wanted to prevent forums posts from needing qualifiers for every sentence or statement which would just make everything look rather ridiculous and would be the first forum to ever need it.
Facts based on known information are easily verifiable, that is of course presuming that relaying information based on facts to enable discussion is the reason for posting.
the problem however in this context is because its foundationial.
They have STATED that no ships will have an advantage however they have not stated how...as of yet.
Its reasonable for one in this specific context to consider that, not considering it paints one as being unfair and most people can see right thru it.
understood?
As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
But I cannot state there is no way for them to do this, that's trying to set my opinion as a fact.
Well, except of course it is a fact if I say so, I just can't get most other people to agree with me, go figure.
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Its reasonable for one in this specific context to consider that, not considering it paints one as being unfair and most people can see right thru it.
understood?
Well we can consider it and that can be fun and engaging, although mostly pointless until we know more information or / and like Zandog suggested, CGI completely reverse previous decisions and completely change the information that we know
Its reasonable for one in this specific context to consider that, not considering it paints one as being unfair and most people can see right thru it.
understood?
Well we can consider it and that can be fun and engaging, although mostly pointless until we know more information or / and like Zandog suggested, CGI completely reverse previous decisions and completely change the information that we know
it happens all the time, developer says something, community runs with 1/2 the information like mad and then the developer finishes and it ends up exactly as developer said originally
but whatever have fun
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable contradictory facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
Maybe, but doubtful those reasons can cover all possibilities I'm either unaware of or due to the challenge of predicting the future.
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As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
Maybe, but doubtful those reasons can cover all possibilities I'm either unaware of or due to the challenge of predicting the future.
there is nothing wrong with speculating on possible outcomes, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I think two possible outcomes are going to happen. Either A. what they claim will end up not true or B. the game play will be so water downed and generic that what they say is true but the game play is boring.
HOWEVER, I just refrain from saying it WILL be one way or another. Its not hard to refrain from speaking factually about a speculation and there is nothing hard about rephrasing to sound more speculative than factual. its really not unreasonable
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
Maybe, but doubtful those reasons can cover all possibilities I'm either unaware of or due to the challenge of predicting the future.
there is nothing wrong with speculating on possible outcomes, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I think two possible outcomes are going to happen. Either A. what they claim will end up not true or B. the game play will be so water downed and generic that what they say is true but the game play is boring.
HOWEVER, I just refrain from saying it WILL be one way or another. Its not hard to refrain from speaking factually about a speculation and there is nothing hard about rephrasing to sound more speculative than factual. its really not unreasonable
I say the Houston Astros are going to win the World Series. Do I need to rephrase that? Should I correct everyone who says it? Or that The Dodgers are going to win?
I mean.. seriously.. this thread is now so far down the nitpicking route.. I wish there was a way to self-select out of notifications for a thread like this. Nothing I ever try works. (and that IS a fact)
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As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
Maybe, but doubtful those reasons can cover all possibilities I'm either unaware of or due to the challenge of predicting the future.
there is nothing wrong with speculating on possible outcomes, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I think two possible outcomes are going to happen. Either A. what they claim will end up not true or B. the game play will be so water downed and generic that what they say is true but the game play is boring.
HOWEVER, I just refrain from saying it WILL be one way or another. Its not hard to refrain from speaking factually about a speculation and there is nothing hard about rephrasing to sound more speculative than factual. its really not unreasonable
I say the Houston Astros are going to win the World Series. Do I need to rephrase that? Should I correct everyone who says it? Or that The Dodgers are going to win?
I mean.. seriously.. this thread is now so far down the nitpicking route.. I wish there was a way to self-select out of notifications for a thread like this. Nothing I ever try works. (and that IS a fact)
Well clearly there's a need to correct your factual errors, going to be the Dodgers of course.
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As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
Maybe, but doubtful those reasons can cover all possibilities I'm either unaware of or due to the challenge of predicting the future.
there is nothing wrong with speculating on possible outcomes, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I think two possible outcomes are going to happen. Either A. what they claim will end up not true or B. the game play will be so water downed and generic that what they say is true but the game play is boring.
HOWEVER, I just refrain from saying it WILL be one way or another. Its not hard to refrain from speaking factually about a speculation and there is nothing hard about rephrasing to sound more speculative than factual. its really not unreasonable
I say the Houston Astros are going to win the World Series. Do I need to rephrase that? Should I correct everyone who says it? Or that The Dodgers are going to win?
I mean.. seriously.. this thread is now so far down the nitpicking route.. I wish there was a way to self-select out of notifications for a thread like this. Nothing I ever try works. (and that IS a fact)
the reason I dont think its nitpicking is because of this specific reason:
Nobody is calling the statement they made a lie or untrue, in fact they are not even paying any attention to it at all whatsoever.
its like CR says: 'the game play will not have any advantage based on buying stuff' response: 'yeah chris whatever lets all talk about how buying stuff will give a person an advantage in game play and NEVER bring up what CR said. Not call him a liar, not call him delusional, no...instead lets find DIFFERENT reasons to call it delusional.
its epic silly
and the thing is...I have seen this movie before, its happen before
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
Maybe, but doubtful those reasons can cover all possibilities I'm either unaware of or due to the challenge of predicting the future.
there is nothing wrong with speculating on possible outcomes, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I think two possible outcomes are going to happen. Either A. what they claim will end up not true or B. the game play will be so water downed and generic that what they say is true but the game play is boring.
HOWEVER, I just refrain from saying it WILL be one way or another. Its not hard to refrain from speaking factually about a speculation and there is nothing hard about rephrasing to sound more speculative than factual. its really not unreasonable
I say the Houston Astros are going to win the World Series. Do I need to rephrase that? Should I correct everyone who says it? Or that The Dodgers are going to win?
I mean.. seriously.. this thread is now so far down the nitpicking route.. I wish there was a way to self-select out of notifications for a thread like this. Nothing I ever try works. (and that IS a fact)
the reason I dont think its nitpicking is because of this specific reason:
Nobody is calling the statement they made a lie or untrue, in fact they are not even paying any attention to it at all whatsoever.
its like CR says: 'the game play will not have any advantage based on buying stuff' response: 'yeah chris whatever lets all talk about how buying stuff will give a person an advantage in game play and NEVER bring up what CR said. Not call him a liar, not call him delusional, no...instead lets find DIFFERENT reasons to call it delusional.
its epic silly
To stay on the analogy and why it's nitpicking:
One of the players for the Dodgers guaranteed they would win the Work Series.
Do I now have to state that every time I talk about it? And do I need to say:
Puig guaranteed that the Dodgers are going to win the World Series, but IN MY OPINION the Astros are going to win?
Or every time I say "The Astros are going to win the World Series" should I expect someone to correct me and say "that's just your opinion. As you know Yasiel Puig has guaranteed the Dodgers will win"
Come on man.. this is absolutely ridiculous tangent you have taken the thread down.
PS: The Astros ARE going to win the World Series. And I'm a Yankee fan.
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As you said, at this point I can state as a fact, that I do not believe they can do it for <reasons>
sure, but only if those <reasons> are indeed verifiable facts. Otherwise it is just opinion and then falls into your 'trying to set my opinion as a fact.'.
wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
Maybe, but doubtful those reasons can cover all possibilities I'm either unaware of or due to the challenge of predicting the future.
there is nothing wrong with speculating on possible outcomes, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I think two possible outcomes are going to happen. Either A. what they claim will end up not true or B. the game play will be so water downed and generic that what they say is true but the game play is boring.
HOWEVER, I just refrain from saying it WILL be one way or another. Its not hard to refrain from speaking factually about a speculation and there is nothing hard about rephrasing to sound more speculative than factual. its really not unreasonable
I say the Houston Astros are going to win the World Series. Do I need to rephrase that? Should I correct everyone who says it? Or that The Dodgers are going to win?
I mean.. seriously.. this thread is now so far down the nitpicking route.. I wish there was a way to self-select out of notifications for a thread like this. Nothing I ever try works. (and that IS a fact)
the reason I dont think its nitpicking is because of this specific reason:
Nobody is calling the statement they made a lie or untrue, in fact they are not even paying any attention to it at all whatsoever.
its like CR says: 'the game play will not have any advantage based on buying stuff' response: 'yeah chris whatever lets all talk about how buying stuff will give a person an advantage in game play and NEVER bring up what CR said. Not call him a liar, not call him delusional, no...instead lets find DIFFERENT reasons to call it delusional.
its epic silly
To stay on the analogy and why it's nitpicking:
One of the players for the Dodgers guaranteed they would win the Work Series.
Do I now have to state that every time I talk about it? And do I need to say:
Puig guaranteed that the Dodgers are going to win the World Series, but IN MY OPINION the Astros are going to win?
Or every time I say "The Astros are going to win the World Series" should I expect someone to correct me and say "that's just your opinion. As you know Yasiel Puig has guaranteed the Dodgers will win"
Come on man.. this is absolutely ridiculous tangent you have taken the thread down.
PS: The Astros ARE going to win the World Series. And I'm a Yankee fan.
'every time' how about 'ever'.
my point is the statement they made is NEVER addressed. In fact as your defense illustrates to great lengths are made to do logic gymnastics to try and ignore it.
regarding sports....I dont give a fuck
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
my point is the statement they made is NEVER addressed. In fact as your defense illustrates to great lengths are made to do logic gymnastics to try and ignore it.
regarding sports....I dont give a fuck
Did it ever dawn on you that every developer says the same thing when discussing their monetization?
Even games where they literally sell Kingdoms that other players will start out being subject to their rule... Developers claim it's not really P2W... it's such a bother to be King. Or how that Vorpal Sword and magic suit of armor aren't really an advantage because you might lose it to the guy who starts with a stick!
I mean... they ALL say it. At least some of the other ones put up lame reasons WHY they state it's not advantageous to buy massive advantages. Instead, you expect everyone to preface their statements by some disclaimer that "CR states that buying multiple $1000 ships will not be advantageous"
Come on man... it's an utterly silly rabbit hole you took this thread down.
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my point is the statement they made is NEVER addressed. In fact as your defense illustrates to great lengths are made to do logic gymnastics to try and ignore it.
regarding sports....I dont give a fuck
Did it ever dawn on you that every developer says the same thing when discussing their monetization? ....
no I was not aware of that, so is that 100%?
here is what you are missing. I know you have a hard on to be critical against CR and SC anyway you can find, so I am going to give you one that you have ignored.
Illustrate to people who are fans that for the statement CR has made he is either A. outright liying (you should have fun with that) and B. the game is going to be so bland to keep things balanced its not going to be worth playing.
If I was you I would TOTALLY go for item B.
I would TOTALLY say:
'this game is going to be bland and terrible because the only way they can make it so that there is no advantage is to balance it so much that there is little actual diversity of gear'
I would run with that like a bull in a china shop if I wanted to be negative.
but please..stop trying to justify it with me because I am not changing my view on it
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
my point is the statement they made is NEVER addressed. In fact as your defense illustrates to great lengths are made to do logic gymnastics to try and ignore it.
regarding sports....I dont give a fuck
Did it ever dawn on you that every developer says the same thing when discussing their monetization? ....
no I was not aware of that, so is that 100%?
here is what you are missing. I know you have a hard on to be critical against CR and SC anyway you can find, so I am going to give you one that you have ignored.
Illustrate to people who are fans that for the statement CR has made he is either A. outright liying (you should have fun with that) and B. the game is going to be so bland to keep things balanced its not going to be worth playing.
If I was you I would TOTALLY go for item B.
but please..stop trying to justify it with me because I am not changing my view on it
1. I am far from a guy who dumps on CR. Sure I will call out issues if I see them but I'm a big CR fan, owner of a Golden Ticket, a signed copy of the original Wing Commander game (and hat!), and actually have managed to watch the Wing Commander movie multiple times (try doing THAT before saying someone wants to dump on CR!). I also own 3 accounts for SC because I wanted my kids to experience that same feeling I had when I loaded up Wing Commander. Feel free to go through my post history.
2. The Astros are going to win the world series.
Have fun in your rabbit hole.
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'but I dont see how its going to happen'
is not a statement of speculation, it is a fact that I....do not....see....how...its...going.....to happen.
however if it was there is nothing wrong with a speculative statement. The problem is framing a speculation as if its fact.
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Nah really, are we going to keep acting surprised with anything CIG does at this point? I don't think many people will be buying 800.00 ships so to me it's just them trying to see how far they can go every time they do this bs..800.00 ships today, 200k private spaceports tomorrow! I mean come on they can't be serious (oh shit they are actually serious)
I ignore them personally speak with our wallets not our fingertips..not getting a cent more from me outside that initial donation I gave years ago.
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why are you being so defensive about this? look if you want to spread speculations as facts I cant stop you but its not very productive for you, everyone sees right thru it
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My statement has nothing to do with wanting to spread speculation as facts.
maybe everything applies unless you are in combat with a player then it goes into 'everyone is exactly the same' mode. who know, i just made up that one possiblity.
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Facts based on known information are easily verifiable, that is of course presuming that relaying information based on facts to enable discussion is the reason for posting.
I will try and word things in a more speculative manner as well but also realize none of us really knows quite yet.
They have STATED that no ships will have an advantage however they have not stated how...as of yet.
Its reasonable for one in this specific context to consider that, not considering it paints one as being unfair and most people can see right thru it.
understood?
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But I cannot state there is no way for them to do this, that's trying to set my opinion as a fact.
Well, except of course it is a fact if I say so, I just can't get most other people to agree with me, go figure.
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wow i must be bored, i am off to do something more fun!
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HOWEVER, I just refrain from saying it WILL be one way or another. Its not hard to refrain from speaking factually about a speculation and there is nothing hard about rephrasing to sound more speculative than factual. its really not unreasonable
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I mean.. seriously.. this thread is now so far down the nitpicking route..
I wish there was a way to self-select out of notifications for a thread like this. Nothing I ever try works. (and that IS a fact)
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Nobody is calling the statement they made a lie or untrue, in fact they are not even paying any attention to it at all whatsoever.
its like CR says: 'the game play will not have any advantage based on buying stuff' response: 'yeah chris whatever lets all talk about how buying stuff will give a person an advantage in game play and NEVER bring up what CR said. Not call him a liar, not call him delusional, no...instead lets find DIFFERENT reasons to call it delusional.
its epic silly
and the thing is...I have seen this movie before, its happen before
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One of the players for the Dodgers guaranteed they would win the Work Series.
Do I now have to state that every time I talk about it? And do I need to say:
Puig guaranteed that the Dodgers are going to win the World Series, but IN MY OPINION the Astros are going to win?
Or every time I say "The Astros are going to win the World Series" should I expect someone to correct me and say "that's just your opinion. As you know Yasiel Puig has guaranteed the Dodgers will win"
Come on man.. this is absolutely ridiculous tangent you have taken the thread down.
PS: The Astros ARE going to win the World Series. And I'm a Yankee fan.
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my point is the statement they made is NEVER addressed. In fact as your defense illustrates to great lengths are made to do logic gymnastics to try and ignore it.
regarding sports....I dont give a fuck
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Even games where they literally sell Kingdoms that other players will start out being subject to their rule... Developers claim it's not really P2W... it's such a bother to be King. Or how that Vorpal Sword and magic suit of armor aren't really an advantage because you might lose it to the guy who starts with a stick!
I mean... they ALL say it. At least some of the other ones put up lame reasons WHY they state it's not advantageous to buy massive advantages. Instead, you expect everyone to preface their statements by some disclaimer that "CR states that buying multiple $1000 ships will not be advantageous"
Come on man... it's an utterly silly rabbit hole you took this thread down.
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here is what you are missing.
I know you have a hard on to be critical against CR and SC anyway you can find, so I am going to give you one that you have ignored.
Illustrate to people who are fans that for the statement CR has made he is either A. outright liying (you should have fun with that) and B. the game is going to be so bland to keep things balanced its not going to be worth playing.
If I was you I would TOTALLY go for item B.
I would TOTALLY say:
'this game is going to be bland and terrible because the only way they can make it so that there is no advantage is to balance it so much that there is little actual diversity of gear'
I would run with that like a bull in a china shop if I wanted to be negative.
but please..stop trying to justify it with me because I am not changing my view on it
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or at least wing commander
Feel free to go through my post history.
2. The Astros are going to win the world series.
Have fun in your rabbit hole.
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