Yeah it sucks we have people like him who cant keep their ignorance out of video games. They claim all "white men" are racist but they are given a free pass on their nonstop blatant racism. .. .
and why is that a problem? I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?
As an African American male I feel sorry for you. I'm not even surprised anymore because gaming internet culture is filled with racist remarks towards people of african heritage. It literally happens so fast that its normalized. I Can't play an online game anymore without some little white kid saying the n-word over and over like it's cool.. its fucking annoying but again not surprising.
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Yeah it sucks we have people like him who cant keep their ignorance out of video games. They claim all "white men" are racist but they are given a free pass on their nonstop blatant racism. .. .
and why is that a problem? I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?
As an African American male I feel sorry for you. I'm not even surprised anymore because gaming internet culture is filled with racist remarks towards people of african heritage. It literally happens so fast that its normalized. I Can't play an online game anymore without some little white kid saying the n-word over and over like it's cool.. its fucking annoying but again not surprising.
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
is that racism or is that just bad behavior.
let me explain: Racism is the believe that one race is superior to another. Well that is a belief system, just like some people believe in god and I think that is nearly unbearably silly I cant just take it as a standard assumption that believing in god is bad.
Its the ACTION based on ones belief that is the problem. however, if the action is harmful then its harmful in of itself.
See?
So the question is this, for this developer what ACTION did he specifically take that is so hurtful? and to whom? was it hurtful to you (as a black man) that he said something about white people?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I actually agree with this article. EA has been killing all of their AAA games with microtransactions for years. The ex-employee had a point whether you like him or not. They aren't the only ones either.. but what happened to big franchises like Madden, Dragon Age, and ME is very telling to me of what's going to happen with Anthem.
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
... game companies don't want to pay to use Unity ...
....
guys...
Unity is free, they just take profits from you sales what the fuck are you talking about?
Not free for studios.
Unity's published prices are: Free for beginners, students and hobbyists. Otherwise its a subscription model which they introduced mid-2016.
Prior to introducing their subscription model John Riccitiello (took over as CEO in late 2014) spoke "extensively" about the difficulty of getting developers to pay for using Unity. And his basic message was that if things continued as was - with restricted finances - the Unity engine was going nowhere; that Unity Technologies were heading for a cliff edge, would be finished at some point down the line etc. Which would be bad for developers.
He also spoke about how he understood why developers pushing back / didn't want to pay for using Unity. They were struggling to get players to pay and - to paraphrase - were rubbish at getting alternative funding like advertising.
I assume this is the background to them introducing their current model subscription model. Which Unity Technologies "believe" is fair - Pro (for studios) being only $125/month list price. (There is also a "serious creator" $35/month option.)
actually I dont think that is true either.
a studio CAN use the personal editions if they so desire.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Yeah it sucks we have people like him who cant keep their ignorance out of video games. They claim all "white men" are racist but they are given a free pass on their nonstop blatant racism. .. .
and why is that a problem? I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?
As an African American male I feel sorry for you. I'm not even surprised anymore because gaming internet culture is filled with racist remarks towards people of african heritage. It literally happens so fast that its normalized. I Can't play an online game anymore without some little white kid saying the n-word over and over like it's cool.. its fucking annoying but again not surprising.
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
Just compounding the problem honestly, and this is why racism is bad and why we should leave it out of games, racism, identity politics, it just never ends well.
Yeah it sucks we have people like him who cant keep their ignorance out of video games. They claim all "white men" are racist but they are given a free pass on their nonstop blatant racism. .. .
and why is that a problem? I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?
As an African American male I feel sorry for you. I'm not even surprised anymore because gaming internet culture is filled with racist remarks towards people of african heritage. It literally happens so fast that its normalized. I Can't play an online game anymore without some little white kid saying the n-word over and over like it's cool.. its fucking annoying but again not surprising.
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
is that racism or is that just bad behavior.
let me explain: Racism is the believe that one race is superior to another. Well that is a belief system, just like some people believe in god and I think that is nearly unbearably silly I cant just take it as a standard assumption that believing in god is bad.
Its the ACTION based on ones belief that is the problem. however, if the action is harmful then its harmful in of itself.
See?
So the question is this, for this developer what ACTION did he specifically take that is so hurtful? and to whom? was it hurtful to you (as a black man) that he said something about white people?
This is literally the dumbest thing I've seen you write.
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Yeah it sucks we have people like him who cant keep their ignorance out of video games. They claim all "white men" are racist but they are given a free pass on their nonstop blatant racism. .. .
and why is that a problem? I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?
As an African American male I feel sorry for you. I'm not even surprised anymore because gaming internet culture is filled with racist remarks towards people of african heritage. It literally happens so fast that its normalized. I Can't play an online game anymore without some little white kid saying the n-word over and over like it's cool.. its fucking annoying but again not surprising.
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
Just compounding the problem honestly, and this is why racism is bad and why we should leave it out of games, racism, identity politics, it just never ends well.
Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism
So with that I have to ask, specifically what ACTIONS did this developer say that was so painful? and to whom was it painful? you specifically?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
There's nothing to support the idea that gamers simply don't want to spend. Consumers spent over $23 billion dollars on gaming in 2015. You don't get to that number via a high aversion to spending on a product.
In 2016, that number increased to over $30 billion, per the ESA. The idea that gamers don't want to spend money on their hobby doesn't hold water.
EDIT- For clarity, that's solely the U.S.. Revenue is growing at a breakneck pace in the U.S., despite the Asian market dwarfing it.
Well the links are to a survey but lets assume its true.
What I listed was a) things JR said - ex-CEO of EA and now CEO of Unity Technologies so ...... he should have a handle on things.
Coupled with the fact that EA in their current 12 month period are hardly releasing anything. Sure they are just one company but the same trend can be seen with Ubisoft and Activision.
I think revenue is (probably) up because there are many, many more people playing. Pretty sure it wasn't 65% of US households (number from survey linked above) playing! Probably paying less per person though - haven't bothered to search to verify this.
We also have many, many, many more games - survey includes mobile. A few blockbusters like Pokemon Go but otherwise you have a vast number of games and studios fighting for revenue. Existing studios struggling - Zynga, King, PopCap, Rovio. New entrants arriving and every now and then occasionally a new huge blockbuster.
Yeah it sucks we have people like him who cant keep their ignorance out of video games. They claim all "white men" are racist but they are given a free pass on their nonstop blatant racism. .. .
and why is that a problem? I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?
As an African American male I feel sorry for you. I'm not even surprised anymore because gaming internet culture is filled with racist remarks towards people of african heritage. It literally happens so fast that its normalized. I Can't play an online game anymore without some little white kid saying the n-word over and over like it's cool.. its fucking annoying but again not surprising.
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
Just compounding the problem honestly, and this is why racism is bad and why we should leave it out of games, racism, identity politics, it just never ends well.
Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism
So with that I have to ask, specifically what ACTIONS did this developer say that was so painful? and to whom was it painful? you specifically?
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares. Leave it alone, I know what racism is about really don't need you to explain it us. You don't like the Manvier cat..cool.. move along bro. For real.
If you are really confused about what racism is (Obviously you are) feel free to private message me and I will enlighten you. I can explain to you the effects, the implications and break down the difference between systemic, closet and blatant racism (That's for anybody btw) But not in this thread because you are going try to turn it into a dick measuring contest. I'm going to be forced to defend my statements, breaking down history to you..etc.. I dont have the energy. You wont quit because you would be ashamed of how much you don't know after you realize how out of pocket your comments were. It'll turn into a 600 page thread..etc etc..
I see this all time. You aren't new my boy. Pretentious yes, but not new.
So I'm kindly asking you to please keep it to the topic at hand. Get off this race box..I dont know or really what your deal is..
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Yeah it sucks we have people like him who cant keep their ignorance out of video games. They claim all "white men" are racist but they are given a free pass on their nonstop blatant racism. .. .
and why is that a problem? I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?
As an African American male I feel sorry for you. I'm not even surprised anymore because gaming internet culture is filled with racist remarks towards people of african heritage. It literally happens so fast that its normalized. I Can't play an online game anymore without some little white kid saying the n-word over and over like it's cool.. its fucking annoying but again not surprising.
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
Just compounding the problem honestly, and this is why racism is bad and why we should leave it out of games, racism, identity politics, it just never ends well.
Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism
So with that I have to ask, specifically what ACTIONS did this developer say that was so painful? and to whom was it painful? you specifically?
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares.....
wow what that supposed to be insulting?
look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism
So with that I have to ask, specifically what ACTIONS did this developer say that was so painful? and to whom was it painful? you specifically?
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares.....
wow what that supposed to be insulting?
look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can
See.. you are doing exactly what I predicted you would do. Since you don't seem to know how to quote me.. let me repost what I wrote with the entire context so you don't miss it.
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares. Leave it alone, I know what racism is about really don't need you to explain it us. You don't like the Manvier cat..cool.. move along bro. For real.
If you are really confused about what racism is (Obviously you are) feel free to private message me and I will enlighten you. I can explain to you the effects, the implications and break down the difference between systemic, closet and blatant racism (That's for anybody btw) But not in this thread because you are going try to turn it into a dick measuring contest. I'm going to be forced to defend my statements, breaking down history to you..etc.. I dont have the energy. You wont quit because you would be ashamed of how much you don't know after you realize how out of pocket your comments were. It'll turn into a 600 page thread..etc etc..
I see this all time. You aren't new my boy. Pretentious yes, but not new.
So I'm kindly asking you to please keep it to the topic at hand. Get off this race box..I don't know or really care what your deal is..
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism
So with that I have to ask, specifically what ACTIONS did this developer say that was so painful? and to whom was it painful? you specifically?
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares.....
wow what that supposed to be insulting?
look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can
See.. you are doing exactly what I predicted you would do. Since you don't seem to know how to quote me.. let me repost what I wrote with the entire context so you don't miss it.
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares. Leave it alone, I know what racism is about really don't need you to explain it us. You don't like the Manvier cat..cool.. move along bro. For real.
If you are really confused about what racism is (Obviously you are) feel free to private message me and I will enlighten you. I can explain to you the effects, the implications and break down the difference between systemic, closet and blatant racism (That's for anybody btw) But not in this thread because you are going try to turn it into a dick measuring contest. I'm going to be forced to defend my statements, breaking down history to you..etc.. I dont have the energy. You wont quit because you would be ashamed of how much you don't know after you realize how out of pocket your comments were. It'll turn into a 600 page thread..etc etc..
I see this all time. You aren't new my boy. Pretentious yes, but not new.
So I'm kindly asking you to please keep it to the topic at hand. Get off this race box..I don't know or really care what your deal is..
the problem with soo many here (including yours) is that they spend a great deal of time writing things that are off the point of what i was saying, not related anyway and often time have a foundation in the first sentence of which turns out to be a fail.
That said I will make a deal with you, either answer my question on specifically what this developer did that was painful, who it was painful too and why it was painful OR do not reply and I will in kind never reply on this thread about race unless someone else does.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism
So with that I have to ask, specifically what ACTIONS did this developer say that was so painful? and to whom was it painful? you specifically?
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares.....
wow what that supposed to be insulting?
look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can
See.. you are doing exactly what I predicted you would do. Since you don't seem to know how to quote me.. let me repost what I wrote with the entire context so you don't miss it.
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares. Leave it alone, I know what racism is about really don't need you to explain it us. You don't like the Manvier cat..cool.. move along bro. For real.
If you are really confused about what racism is (Obviously you are) feel free to private message me and I will enlighten you. I can explain to you the effects, the implications and break down the difference between systemic, closet and blatant racism (That's for anybody btw) But not in this thread because you are going try to turn it into a dick measuring contest. I'm going to be forced to defend my statements, breaking down history to you..etc.. I dont have the energy. You wont quit because you would be ashamed of how much you don't know after you realize how out of pocket your comments were. It'll turn into a 600 page thread..etc etc..
I see this all time. You aren't new my boy. Pretentious yes, but not new.
So I'm kindly asking you to please keep it to the topic at hand. Get off this race box..I don't know or really care what your deal is..
the problem with soo many here (including yours) is that they spend a great deal of time writing things that are off the point of what i was saying, not related anyway and often time have a foundation in the first sentence of which turns out to be a fail.
That said I will make a deal with you, either answer my question on specifically what this developer did that was painful, who it was painful too and why it was painful OR do not reply and I will in kind never reply on this thread about race unless someone else does.
You continue.. smh No..You don't get to change the narrative. You don't get to ask me questions you should ask YOURSELF.
Your statements:
"I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?"
"Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism"
(You tried to change the narrative after you realized you look stupid right here) "look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can"
Ask yourself that last question. I didn't write nor imply the developer did anything at all to me.
Yes.. please never reply in this thread again about race.
Edit: In general don't talk about things you don't fully understand unless there is intent to learn and discover. Read your own statements then have a long look in the mirror. As I said, I'm willing to pray that you find clarity.
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
You continue.. smh No..You don't get to change the narrative. You don't get to ask me questions you should ask YOURSELF.
Your statements:
"I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?"
"Racism is not the problem. Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem. Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something. When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism"
(You tried to change the narrative after you realized you look stupid right here) "look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can"
Ask yourself that last question. I didn't write nor imply the developer did anything at all to me.
Yes.. please never reply in this thread again about race.
consider it done. please understand if someone else brings up race I want to talk to them directly about it. if you interject you might get in the crossfire.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
This
dude is also racist as fuck. Either that or he just tries to be
controversial. Regardless hes probably full of shit and anything he say
should be taken with a grain of salt.
As a white guy myself, I think he's a little bit of both.
I was
looking through google image search at some of the tweets folks put up
as examples of his racism. It's about half bigotry, half accurate
social commentary that's presented in an overly abrasive manner.
"social commentary" is that what spouting off far-left anti-white talking points is called today?
Did you see my post, or just see that I didn't wholesale condemn the guy, immediately flash to red, and post?
When
he posts about Hollywood whitewashing or giving roles to white folks
that are certainly not white roles, he's not making shit up. Case in
point: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/
Why the hell would Christian Bale be cast as Moses, and Joel Edgerton as Ramses. Da fuq?
The opposite is also very true, though not many bother to point out. For
example, who thought it was a good idea to have a black gunslinger in
the dark tower or a black torch in fantastic four and so on ...
And so on, care to elaborate?
Because Hollywood has been
whitewashing characters since the 50s. A black gunslinger and Johnny
Storm doesn't make much sense, either, but the pendulum seems to swing
the other way much, much more often and has a much deeper history.
The
thing about racism is, it's never healthy. But, when you look at
minority racism, you actually have societal woes that logically generate
friction among the minority group towards the majority white
population. It's still just as unhealthy as white racism, but there's
at least a backdrop of mistreatment that provides an explanation of it.
The reverse is not true in any significant sense. I don't recall a
single event where the white population endured a significant or
systemic oppression at the hands of a minority group. Specifically not
here in America.
I'm not sure what one would consider minority, since that changes depending on the context you are in. Even the etymology of the word slave comes from the historic event of the enslavement of a nation of white people, the Slavs. Nations in Europe and other places were enslaved, while others were in full bloom of their colonial expansion. The history of the world is not the (extremely short) history of the USA. But this is the past, and we are in the present.
Regarding Hollywood, they are selling a product. When they have to weight a cast of well known but not really story fitting actors, as opposed to fitting unknowns, they usually err in the side of the well known. There is a reason for that. Big Hollywood names do sell movies in the international market by their names alone, something that is not necessarily true in the USA any more. In the end it comes down more to brand recognition that actual white washing.
You're right about one thing. Rasism is not healthy. Period. The rest is a misguided attempt to create exemptions based in the history of one part of the world and apply it to the whole of it.
No, I'm not creating any exemptions. I'm facing reality. You brought up slaves as if that had anything to do with what I posted, to try and make an extraneous point that isn't applicable. So who's trying hard to use the history of the world and apply it inappropriately, exactly?
Hollywood cast Jake Gyllenhaal as Dastan in Prince of Persia. You're telling me that they couldn't find even a middle eastern actor with the chops to perform that role? Jake's no Tom Hanks. He doesn't have that kind of international following.
Joel Edgerton may have brand recognition in Australia, but is that really the market they were trying to capture with Exodus? I don't think so.
As for your semantics argument about the term minorities; way to straight up ignore context in an attempt to muddy the waters. None of it proves any sort of counter-argument, though. It was quite clear what I was referring to. Even in areas where white, European populations weren't the majority, the imperialistic and aggressive attitude of that population still imposed itself upon the indigenous peoples. How do you think America became a predominantly white country? We certainly didn't have roots here prior to, for lack of a better word, invading the lands of the native population.
That's about as far as I'm really willing to take this discussion, though, as Suzie, Bill, Mike and the gang don't take kindly to such discussions here.
There's nothing to support the idea that gamers simply don't want to spend. Consumers spent over $23 billion dollars on gaming in 2015. You don't get to that number via a high aversion to spending on a product.
In 2016, that number increased to over $30 billion, per the ESA. The idea that gamers don't want to spend money on their hobby doesn't hold water.
EDIT- For clarity, that's solely the U.S.. Revenue is growing at a breakneck pace in the U.S., despite the Asian market dwarfing it.
Well the links are to a survey but lets assume its true.
What I listed was a) things JR said - ex-CEO of EA and now CEO of Unity Technologies so ...... he should have a handle on things.
Coupled with the fact that EA in their current 12 month period are hardly releasing anything. Sure they are just one company but the same trend can be seen with Ubisoft and Activision.
I think revenue is (probably) up because there are many, many more people playing. Pretty sure it wasn't 65% of US households (number from survey linked above) playing! Probably paying less per person though - haven't bothered to search to verify this.
We also have many, many, many more games - survey includes mobile. A few blockbusters like Pokemon Go but otherwise you have a vast number of games and studios fighting for revenue. Existing studios struggling - Zynga, King, PopCap, Rovio. New entrants arriving and every now and then occasionally a new huge blockbuster.
The links are to the ESA's data. The survey they report on has nothing to do with revenue numbers mentioned. So no, the numbers I quoted are not the result of a survey.
I'm not following how making a well done budget game with a good story has to do with micro-transactions.
Also why is "Open World" now being used as some anti-good game catch-word. To me all open world means is that the experience isn't on rails and less loading screens.
I still fire up Borderlands 2 because it's a good game with a lot of content and reasons to play. I purchased the DLC, and some costumes for this reason as well. It's not because it's an "MMO", though I love playing with people who still love the game.
To me it seems like devs just want to make cheaper shittier games, slap "MMO" on it so they can justify a more volatile business model.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
This
dude is also racist as fuck. Either that or he just tries to be
controversial. Regardless hes probably full of shit and anything he say
should be taken with a grain of salt.
As a white guy myself, I think he's a little bit of both.
I was
looking through google image search at some of the tweets folks put up
as examples of his racism. It's about half bigotry, half accurate
social commentary that's presented in an overly abrasive manner.
"social commentary" is that what spouting off far-left anti-white talking points is called today?
Did you see my post, or just see that I didn't wholesale condemn the guy, immediately flash to red, and post?
When
he posts about Hollywood whitewashing or giving roles to white folks
that are certainly not white roles, he's not making shit up. Case in
point: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/
Why the hell would Christian Bale be cast as Moses, and Joel Edgerton as Ramses. Da fuq?
The opposite is also very true, though not many bother to point out. For
example, who thought it was a good idea to have a black gunslinger in
the dark tower or a black torch in fantastic four and so on ...
And so on, care to elaborate?
Because Hollywood has been
whitewashing characters since the 50s. A black gunslinger and Johnny
Storm doesn't make much sense, either, but the pendulum seems to swing
the other way much, much more often and has a much deeper history.
The
thing about racism is, it's never healthy. But, when you look at
minority racism, you actually have societal woes that logically generate
friction among the minority group towards the majority white
population. It's still just as unhealthy as white racism, but there's
at least a backdrop of mistreatment that provides an explanation of it.
The reverse is not true in any significant sense. I don't recall a
single event where the white population endured a significant or
systemic oppression at the hands of a minority group. Specifically not
here in America.
I'm not sure what one would consider minority, since that changes depending on the context you are in. Even the etymology of the word slave comes from the historic event of the enslavement of a nation of white people, the Slavs. Nations in Europe and other places were enslaved, while others were in full bloom of their colonial expansion. The history of the world is not the (extremely short) history of the USA. But this is the past, and we are in the present.
Regarding Hollywood, they are selling a product. When they have to weight a cast of well known but not really story fitting actors, as opposed to fitting unknowns, they usually err in the side of the well known. There is a reason for that. Big Hollywood names do sell movies in the international market by their names alone, something that is not necessarily true in the USA any more. In the end it comes down more to brand recognition that actual white washing.
You're right about one thing. Rasism is not healthy. Period. The rest is a misguided attempt to create exemptions based in the history of one part of the world and apply it to the whole of it.
No, I'm not creating any exemptions. I'm facing reality. You brought slaves as if that had anything to do with what I posted, to try and make an extraneous point that isn't applicable. So who's trying hard to use the history of the world and apply it inappropriately, exactly?
Hollywood cast Jake Gyllenhaal as Dastan in Prince of Persia. You're telling me that they couldn't find even a middle eastern actor with the chops to perform that role? Jake's no Tom Hanks. He doesn't have that kind of international following.
Joel Edgerton may have brand recognition in Australia, but is that really the market they were trying to capture with Exodus? I don't think so.
As for your semantics argument about the term minorities; way to straight up ignore context in an attempt to muddy the waters. None of it proves any sort of counter-argument, though. It was quite clear what I was referring to. Even in areas where white, European populations weren't the majority, the imperialistic and aggressive attitude of that population still imposed itself upon the indigenous peoples. How do you think America became a predominantly white country? We certainly didn't have roots here prior to, for lack of a better word, invading the lands of the native population.
That's about as far as I'm really willing to take this discussion, though, as Suzie, Bill, Mike and the gang don't take kindly to such discussions here.
The main flaw in the whole thing is that you seem to think heavily in terms of tribalism. For example, white race, black race etc., when the reality is that what you call white race is a 100 difference pieces with different histories and different influences in global history. Take British and German contribution in WW2, can you honestly bundle them together, just because identity politics of today dictate that all white is the same? My own countrymen were slaves for over 400 years and were freed almost 100 years after US was founded. Where do we fit in your narrative?
Jake Gyllenhaal may not be Tom Hanks, but he's well known. Joel Edgerton not really.
Going back to the very first quote, the guy was fired for being a racist. So it is obvious that he tries his best to badmouth EA in particular. He makes good points regarding game development and costs, but it's all muddled by his hatred towards a particular company.
Are games more expensive today? Sure they are. But they also sell a lot more units, while the digital era lowered distribution costs to all time minimum.
In the end it will come down to whether the whale mode of development can sustain bad customer practices.
@Xasapis again, the context was quite clear. Nobody would reasonably read my argument and mistake me for lumping Nazi Germany in WWII in with the U.S in same said war.. I get your point about tribalism, but that level of precision isn't needed in the reasonable context of the argument here. Eoxdus is jarring in it's presentation of Moses and Ramses, and the star power did little to persuade audiences or critics that the movie was of high-quality. Its domestic box office was 262 million, which is nothing noteworthy, and it's Rotten Tomatoes average is 27%, so maybe casting random white dudes in those roles, no matter how well-known, didn't seem to do a whole lot for it.
I doubt the validity of the argument that Jake Gyllenhaal is well-known outside of America. But that's something that we would have a hard time providing solid evidence for either way without more digging than either of us are likely to do for a forum debate.
To your statements regarding the cost of video games; completely agreed.
This dude is also racist as fuck. Either that or he just tries to be controversial. Regardless hes probably full of shit and anything he say should be taken with a grain of salt.
As a white guy myself, I think he's a little bit of both.
I was looking through google image search at some of the tweets folks put up as examples of his racism. It's about half bigotry, half accurate social commentary that's presented in an overly abrasive manner.
"social commentary" is that what spouting off far-left anti-white talking points is called today?
Why the hell would Christian Bale be cast as Moses, and Joel Edgerton as Ramses. Da fuq?
Comments
Dude seriously I'm trying to play a game not defend my entire race. Go to the youtube videos of any video game that even remotely features a black person as a lead.. Instant race wars started by white kids with nothing better to do. That's the truth and it sucks. I'm praying for you that you find maturity, peace and clarity in your lives.
I'm talking to all of you that have the train of thought I quoted. I've been around this place for a long time, this isn't the first time I've seen this train of thought and sadly isn't going to be the last. Do better. Clear your heart of that hate. I'm not defending my people any longer. I shouldn't have to explain why racism is bad on a gaming forum. If you hate us keep that shit to yourself or find a forum for people like you.
Gaming is a universal hobby that is enjoyed by people from all backgrounds, if that bothers you find another hobby jackass.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
let me explain:
Racism is the believe that one race is superior to another. Well that is a belief system, just like some people believe in god and I think that is nearly unbearably silly I cant just take it as a standard assumption that believing in god is bad.
Its the ACTION based on ones belief that is the problem. however, if the action is harmful then its harmful in of itself.
See?
So the question is this, for this developer what ACTION did he specifically take that is so hurtful? and to whom?
was it hurtful to you (as a black man) that he said something about white people?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
a studio CAN use the personal editions if they so desire.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem.
Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something.
When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism
So with that I have to ask, specifically what ACTIONS did this developer say that was so painful? and to whom was it painful? you specifically?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
What I listed was a) things JR said - ex-CEO of EA and now CEO of Unity Technologies so ...... he should have a handle on things.
Coupled with the fact that EA in their current 12 month period are hardly releasing anything. Sure they are just one company but the same trend can be seen with Ubisoft and Activision.
I think revenue is (probably) up because there are many, many more people playing. Pretty sure it wasn't 65% of US households (number from survey linked above) playing! Probably paying less per person though - haven't bothered to search to verify this.
We also have many, many, many more games - survey includes mobile. A few blockbusters like Pokemon Go but otherwise you have a vast number of games and studios fighting for revenue. Existing studios struggling - Zynga, King, PopCap, Rovio. New entrants arriving and every now and then occasionally a new huge blockbuster.
If you are really confused about what racism is (Obviously you are) feel free to private message me and I will enlighten you. I can explain to you the effects, the implications and break down the difference between systemic, closet and blatant racism (That's for anybody btw) But not in this thread because you are going try to turn it into a dick measuring contest. I'm going to be forced to defend my statements, breaking down history to you..etc.. I dont have the energy. You wont quit because you would be ashamed of how much you don't know after you realize how out of pocket your comments were. It'll turn into a 600 page thread..etc etc..
I see this all time. You aren't new my boy. Pretentious yes, but not new.
So I'm kindly asking you to please keep it to the topic at hand. Get off this race box..I dont know or really what your deal is..
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You keep typing the same thing trying to sound clever but really you are coming across as pretentious and snarky. Bro.. nobody cares. Leave it alone, I know what racism is about really don't need you to explain it us. You don't like the Manvier cat..cool.. move along bro. For real.
If you are really confused about what racism is (Obviously you are) feel free to private message me and I will enlighten you. I can explain to you the effects, the implications and break down the difference between systemic, closet and blatant racism (That's for anybody btw) But not in this thread because you are going try to turn it into a dick measuring contest. I'm going to be forced to defend my statements, breaking down history to you..etc.. I dont have the energy. You wont quit because you would be ashamed of how much you don't know after you realize how out of pocket your comments were. It'll turn into a 600 page thread..etc etc..
I see this all time. You aren't new my boy. Pretentious yes, but not new.
So I'm kindly asking you to please keep it to the topic at hand. Get off this race box..I don't know or really care what your deal is..
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
That said I will make a deal with you, either answer my question on specifically what this developer did that was painful, who it was painful too and why it was painful OR do not reply and I will in kind never reply on this thread about race unless someone else does.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Your statements:
"I mean for starters why is racism considered a bad thing by default all the time?"
"Racism is not the problem.
Actions taken based on racism CAN be a problem.
Racism is a belief system, we might not like it, but its not american to tell people they can not believe something.
When actions based on racist thoughts become a painful to others the action in of itself is the problem regardless of racism"
(You tried to change the narrative after you realized you look stupid right here)
"look the question now is 'what specifically did this developer do that is hurtful and specifically to who?' what words did he use that were painful? and why is it hurtful would be a nice add if you can"
Ask yourself that last question. I didn't write nor imply the developer did anything at all to me.
Yes.. please never reply in this thread again about race.
Edit: In general don't talk about things you don't fully understand unless there is intent to learn and discover. Read your own statements then have a long look in the mirror. As I said, I'm willing to pray that you find clarity.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
please understand if someone else brings up race I want to talk to them directly about it. if you interject you might get in the crossfire.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Hollywood cast Jake Gyllenhaal as Dastan in Prince of Persia. You're telling me that they couldn't find even a middle eastern actor with the chops to perform that role? Jake's no Tom Hanks. He doesn't have that kind of international following.
Joel Edgerton may have brand recognition in Australia, but is that really the market they were trying to capture with Exodus? I don't think so.
As for your semantics argument about the term minorities; way to straight up ignore context in an attempt to muddy the waters. None of it proves any sort of counter-argument, though. It was quite clear what I was referring to. Even in areas where white, European populations weren't the majority, the imperialistic and aggressive attitude of that population still imposed itself upon the indigenous peoples. How do you think America became a predominantly white country? We certainly didn't have roots here prior to, for lack of a better word, invading the lands of the native population.
That's about as far as I'm really willing to take this discussion, though, as Suzie, Bill, Mike and the gang don't take kindly to such discussions here.
Also why is "Open World" now being used as some anti-good game catch-word. To me all open world means is that the experience isn't on rails and less loading screens.
I still fire up Borderlands 2 because it's a good game with a lot of content and reasons to play. I purchased the DLC, and some costumes for this reason as well. It's not because it's an "MMO", though I love playing with people who still love the game.
To me it seems like devs just want to make cheaper shittier games, slap "MMO" on it so they can justify a more volatile business model.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm a MUDder. I play MUDs.
Current: Dragonrealms
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I'm a MUDder. I play MUDs.
Current: Dragonrealms
I doubt the validity of the argument that Jake Gyllenhaal is well-known outside of America. But that's something that we would have a hard time providing solid evidence for either way without more digging than either of us are likely to do for a forum debate.
To your statements regarding the cost of video games; completely agreed.
I can't believe you are seriously asking why racism is bad.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/