Ridiculous In Game Housing System

Aragon100

https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/ridiculous-in-game-housing-system.110491/

Cock of the North - I would just like to share my experience as a new player to this game.

I compromised a lot of what I previously believe to be important to enjoy the things that I can tell are actually really fun about this game.

One of the main attractions was player housing.

To cut a long story short, I have recently realised that, no I cannot buy a nice little house in this 90% empty ghost town because firstly, they aren't even for sale anymore (even though the entire town looks like its from a dead game) and secondly, all in house lots seem to cost at least $200.

I am scratching my head here wondering how a game, which I believe is very close to public release, can basically appear so incredibly dead over approximately 75% or more of the map (npc towns and empty player towns) and have such an incredibly game breaking real money transaction market for what appears to be very very very basic in game content (NPC town row lots in completely unused NPC towns).

I could maybe understand the above being the situation if it was 5 years into the game and it was heavily populated and the places I wanted to live were actually really obviously overpopulated busy bustling places where you could benefit from owning a house with a high level of traffic for your vendor to sell, or for role-playing purposes had a very nice appearance or meaningful location.

I just want to buy a damn taxed row lot in a dead NPC ghost town where most surrounding areas label themselves "under construction" when you enter and I simply cannot.

To me this seems utterly game breaking and yeah ok, you obviously have a lot of people prepared to sling thousands of $$$ around the place like its candy but I cannot honestly understand how you expect new players like me to actually enjoy this huge aspect of the game when it has been made so ridiculously inaccessible.

I am not going to pay someone I do not know hundreds of dollars in order to own a house for fun.

I respect that its probably far too late to change this but it is honestly completely out of control and genuinely makes me want to log out and play some other game since I won't be able to experience such a large part of the fun on this one.

I might add that if anything, my owning a house in a NPC town would only improve the quality of the game for others like me who come to the town and see people actually living in it, selling things they might want. Rather than the current vast fields of empty lots and empty houses place marked by tax free deeds that actually look like they ARE for sale (but are not).

/endrant

It appears more like I am walking through the ruins of a dead culture in a lot of towns, rather than somewhere for new beginnings which it would seem a game that's about to be released should feel like. (endquote)


Developer's that favor the real life rich player's will fail attracting many player's to their game. How developer's could make such a mistake is beyond me but releasing a just about dead game before it even started should be a warning to any other developer's to continue down a road of segregation where the not so real life rich player's is discriminated.

Aragon100

A bit further into the thread.

Cock of the North - I do not even have time to read the replies.

I was CLEARLY talking about NPC town LOT DEEDS in NPC towns with hundreds of empty lots.

Do you want me to make a documentary video of me walking in Northwood and show you how empty and dead the place is and show you all the lots I WANT to buy but cannot? If I remember correctly when I was on Graff Island doing a quest one of the only player houses I saw on the massively empty landscape actually had a vendor on it named "Why did you walk all the way over here?".

To be honest this is about the closest to roleplaying I ever would have come in a game, living in a town and inviting people to come to the town, trying to make a scene in the town and talk to new players passing through who, like me, are looking around thinking, this is a nice town I would like to buy a house here.

"Presenting our lovely housing system in negative terms does not serve the game."

You are the problem. You think it is fine. This town is completely dead and empty. As are many of the NPC towns, some of which have quests to do with the town. It makes the game look completely dead. Presenting a crap members only housing system does not serve THE PLAYERS.

If this is portraying the games housing system in a negative light, that is the games fault. The system is bad.

The fact they are going to make a new land space is laughable, they cannot even fill the current landspace. That honestly to me just looks like a money grab more than anything. Who is going to buy the lots in the new area? New players? I seriously doubt that.

I might also point out that the price of COTOs is being raised with release, also increasing the price of PoT deeds.

I'm not going to read any further, my OP still stands.

When the game is lying on a proverbial operating table dying you can continue to revive it with your wallets that is fine. I gave my review of the system from the perspective of a new player. That is what it is, and what it still is, regardless of what you want to believe.

cjmarsh

That was quite the rant. After my expectations of SotA and what it actually delivered though, I totally understand where you're coming from.

Hefaistos

@OP Year 2018. On earth there are people who play games where devs sell their blood on vials from website shop so they can finish the game.

I have a question...WHY ???? IS THIS THE LAST GAME ON EARTH FFS ? Its not the dev fault. Its the community. If there were not gamers interested in this dumb game it would have been dead after 1 month since kickstarter. 

With future which will bring CU/Crowfall/AOC/COE and games out for years with a big team like GW2, Shitty BDO P2W game, WOW and other decent mmos...ppl pay dumb games.

Aragon100

cjmarsh said:

That was quite the rant. After my expectations of SotA and what it actually delivered though, I totally understand where you're coming from.

Cryptic - care to elaborate?

Aragon100

Hefaistos said:

@OP Year 2018. On earth there are people who play games where devs sell their blood on vials from website shop so they can finish the game.

I have a question...WHY ???? IS THIS THE LAST GAME ON EARTH FFS ? Its not the dev fault. Its the community. If there were not gamers interested in this dumb game it would have been dead after 1 month since kickstarter. 

With future which will bring CU/Crowfall/AOC/COE and games out for years with a big team like GW2, Shitty BDO P2W game, WOW and other decent mmos...ppl pay dumb games.

It is developers fault since the housing system is their's. Just about all from the original community after kickstarter have left the game so blaming them for a game they left is laughable at best.

Developer's decision to sell house's for alot of real life money against the majority of their community was their choice.

DracSchnider

Why go to NPC town?  Player Towns can be just as nice.  NPC Towns are over rated and as you mentioned hard to get your hands on a kickstarter deed to be in one.   Not sure if they will bring back the lotto system.  they use to do monthly lottos for deeds. 

As to player towns you can pick up a Row deed in game for 90-150k which for a new person seems like a lot.  It normally should take a new person 1-2h to get 1k so you could get it in under a week with some dedication.  Alternate would be to spend money to buy one from the Port store which are way to pricey.   You would be best to wait until a Telethon and pick up a Taxfree row for 200 then the NPC town ones.   Or spend even less and get COTO's either through the port store or buy with in game gold COTO's from vendors and pick up a deed for a fraction of the costs from the COTO merchants.

Myself I have owned property in NPC towns, yes they do look nice and have trainers which is a benefit.  However living in a near Player town gives you a more costly approach and you still can walk over to the NPC town to train.   Some player Towns are very well designed well others look terrible like some kid just trough out houses in any which direction lol (my opinion) 

alternate would be to rent from a player, and or Join one of the many large guilds that offer free houses.    

Part of the issues with the NPC towns is players not only want money for the deed they also want to charge you for "prime lot" as they call it.  Whats prime about it? NPC towns get about the same traffic as POT's that advertise to there really is no Prime lot other then prime cost to be there. Just my two cents.  

IceAge

Aragon100 said:

Hefaistos said:

@OP Year 2018. On earth there are people who play games where devs sell their blood on vials from website shop so they can finish the game.

I have a question...WHY ???? IS THIS THE LAST GAME ON EARTH FFS ? Its not the dev fault. Its the community. If there were not gamers interested in this dumb game it would have been dead after 1 month since kickstarter. 

With future which will bring CU/Crowfall/AOC/COE and games out for years with a big team like GW2, Shitty BDO P2W game, WOW and other decent mmos...ppl pay dumb games.

It is developers fault since the housing system is their's. Just about all from the original community after kickstarter have left the game so blaming them for a game they left is laughable at best.

Developer's decision to sell house's for alot of real life money against the majority of their community was their choice.

You miss-understood the guy which you quoted. He clearly says that if players weren't interested in the first place in this pathetic game, then we wouldn't had this conversation now.

I said it many times and I will say it again , whenever I get the chance : Its players fault for which we have games like this one. Stop donating money to whoever shows up with a "nice story" , and nothing else, but just words.

MadFrenchie

DracSchnider said:

Why go to NPC town?  Player Towns can be just as nice.  NPC Towns are over rated and as you mentioned hard to get your hands on a kickstarter deed to be in one.   Not sure if they will bring back the lotto system.  they use to do monthly lottos for deeds. 

As to player towns you can pick up a Row deed in game for 90-150k which for a new person seems like a lot.  It normally should take a new person 1-2h to get 1k so you could get it in under a week with some dedication.  Alternate would be to spend money to buy one from the Port store which are way to pricey.   You would be best to wait until a Telethon and pick up a Taxfree row for 200 then the NPC town ones.   Or spend even less and get COTO's either through the port store or buy with in game gold COTO's from vendors and pick up a deed for a fraction of the costs from the COTO merchants.

Myself I have owned property in NPC towns, yes they do look nice and have trainers which is a benefit.  However living in a near Player town gives you a more costly approach and you still can walk over to the NPC town to train.   Some player Towns are very well designed well others look terrible like some kid just trough out houses in any which direction lol (my opinion) 

alternate would be to rent from a player, and or Join one of the many large guilds that offer free houses.    

Part of the issues with the NPC towns is players not only want money for the deed they also want to charge you for "prime lot" as they call it.  Whats prime about it? NPC towns get about the same traffic as POT's that advertise to there really is no Prime lot other then prime cost to be there. Just my two cents.  

90k-150k, at 1k per hour, would take over 90 hours.  That's not realistic in a week.

DracSchnider

MadFrenchie said:

DracSchnider said:

Why go to NPC town?  Player Towns can be just as nice.  NPC Towns are over rated and as you mentioned hard to get your hands on a kickstarter deed to be in one.   Not sure if they will bring back the lotto system.  they use to do monthly lottos for deeds. 

As to player towns you can pick up a Row deed in game for 90-150k which for a new person seems like a lot.  It normally should take a new person 1-2h to get 1k so you could get it in under a week with some dedication.  Alternate would be to spend money to buy one from the Port store which are way to pricey.   You would be best to wait until a Telethon and pick up a Taxfree row for 200 then the NPC town ones.   Or spend even less and get COTO's either through the port store or buy with in game gold COTO's from vendors and pick up a deed for a fraction of the costs from the COTO merchants.

Myself I have owned property in NPC towns, yes they do look nice and have trainers which is a benefit.  However living in a near Player town gives you a more costly approach and you still can walk over to the NPC town to train.   Some player Towns are very well designed well others look terrible like some kid just trough out houses in any which direction lol (my opinion) 

alternate would be to rent from a player, and or Join one of the many large guilds that offer free houses.    

Part of the issues with the NPC towns is players not only want money for the deed they also want to charge you for "prime lot" as they call it.  Whats prime about it? NPC towns get about the same traffic as POT's that advertise to there really is no Prime lot other then prime cost to be there. Just my two cents.  

90k-150k, at 1k per hour, would take over 90 hours.  That's not realistic in a week.

my bad math skills.  So in 3 weeks you can own a place.  that is not bad. 

Kyleran

MadFrenchie said:

DracSchnider said:

Why go to NPC town?  Player Towns can be just as nice.  NPC Towns are over rated and as you mentioned hard to get your hands on a kickstarter deed to be in one.   Not sure if they will bring back the lotto system.  they use to do monthly lottos for deeds. 

As to player towns you can pick up a Row deed in game for 90-150k which for a new person seems like a lot.  It normally should take a new person 1-2h to get 1k so you could get it in under a week with some dedication.  Alternate would be to spend money to buy one from the Port store which are way to pricey.   You would be best to wait until a Telethon and pick up a Taxfree row for 200 then the NPC town ones.   Or spend even less and get COTO's either through the port store or buy with in game gold COTO's from vendors and pick up a deed for a fraction of the costs from the COTO merchants.

Myself I have owned property in NPC towns, yes they do look nice and have trainers which is a benefit.  However living in a near Player town gives you a more costly approach and you still can walk over to the NPC town to train.   Some player Towns are very well designed well others look terrible like some kid just trough out houses in any which direction lol (my opinion) 

alternate would be to rent from a player, and or Join one of the many large guilds that offer free houses.    

Part of the issues with the NPC towns is players not only want money for the deed they also want to charge you for "prime lot" as they call it.  Whats prime about it? NPC towns get about the same traffic as POT's that advertise to there really is no Prime lot other then prime cost to be there. Just my two cents.  

90k-150k, at 1k per hour, would take over 90 hours.  That's not realistic in a week.

According to this guy in the thread your numbers are way low. 

Kain DarkmoorAvatar

Weins201 said: ↑

these two lines are the jest of it
85 Cotos = 100$ in game
earning them in game LoL, true he could grind away get gold buy them at 2k each will take what 6 months of casual play??? remember has to play level resupply, armor weapons . . n. . . .
Pay another player for it?

eazy peazy

You have that backwards. It's 100 cotos for 85 dollars currently in the store.

85 Cotos for in game gold can be bought around 289k. You are extremely exaggerating how hard it is to make that in game. Even at 5k an hour, which is on the very very very low end of what you can farm per hour. Playing 1 hour a day will get you a row home in under 2 months. If you have any skill whatsoever you can make much much more than 5k per hour in game.

KnightFalz

IceAge said:

You miss-understood the guy which you quoted. He clearly says that if players weren't interested in the first place in this pathetic game, then we wouldn't had this conversation now.

I said it many times and I will say it again , whenever I get the chance : Its players fault for which we have games like this one. Stop donating money to whoever shows up with a "nice story" , and nothing else, but just words.

Perhaps what some are misunderstanding is that those with a continued interest in the game at this point probably don't feel it to be pathetic.

If they did, they would have long since lost interest and moved on by now, hmmm?

There is no fault in someone supporting a game in development that he ultimately wishes to play, even if the game never comes to fruition or is ultimately a bit different than expected. Such is a risk people are entitled to take at their own discretion on whatever pleases them.

A prudent person will keep that risk in mind, and not invest any more than can be tossed in the trash without putting quality of life at risk. Then if things don't turn out as desired, it isn't all that much of a loss anyway.

KnightFalz

SedrynTyros said:

People have been beating the shit out of this game for years, but in spite of that I hope the folks who invested in it are enjoying themselves. 

Whatever "sins" this game has committed monetization-wise, Richard Garriott is one of the founding fathers of computer RPGs.  Maybe he's lost his touch in the modern scene, but the impact he's had on the genre is undeniable.   I think we should remember that without Lord British RPG computer gaming may have never evolved into what it is today.

The game itself isn't too bad, being offered without extras for $40. Though this may seem expensive, in addition to playing online (in various modes) an offline single-player mode is available as well.

The online mode offers several options: single player, friends only, or open which would essentially be the default mode for MMOPGs.

They say anything offered for sale for cash in their game store for use in online play will also be available for in game gold for offline solo play, essentially eliminating the game store if one purchased the game strictly for that mode.

Where it gets wonky is property in the online mode, due to it being non-instanced, with all the supply and demand problems a finite supply of such often causes in games. So, for people wanting to have a place of their own online, it can be a bit meh.

Kyleran

Mars_Orbital said:

I noticed this too, but once released, for those people who did pay up for a house, they will be able to have a nice community of players to RP with, ones that did pay.

I'm trying to figure what is really different on "release" day which will encourage players to try or return to this game.

In a traditional model servers would be wiped and everyone would "start" working on their progression.

Does anything actually "start" on release day?

(Besides the clock on when they can walk away from this game?)

Aron_Swordmaster

SedrynTyros said:

People have been beating the shit out of this game for years, but in spite of that I hope the folks who invested in it are enjoying themselves. 

Whatever "sins" this game has committed monetization-wise, Richard Garriott is one of the founding fathers of computer RPGs.  Maybe he's lost his touch in the modern scene, but the impact he's had on the genre is undeniable.   I think we should remember that without Lord British RPG computer gaming may have never evolved into what it is today.

Except he's not that person any more. And you shouldn't excuse someone just because of their past good deeds. Which funnily enough, was actually the core plot of one of the Ultimas, No.5 in fact.

Or did you play Ultima 5 as a lackey of Blackthorn because well, his Virtues now may be a bit harsh, but he was such a hero in the past! And he still means well today!

deniter

Housing is one of the features you add to the game later if it's successful and gets a nice playerbase who keep logging on for a long time. Having tested SOTA for a few hours i can honestly say they have lots of other things to address before they should even think about housing.

I don't mind someone selling e-properties in online games for real money but i expect the game to be good if not great to buy one, and at this moment it doesn't really look like that for SOTA at all.

Aron_Swordmaster

According to this guy in the thread your numbers are way low. 

Kain DarkmoorAvatar

Weins201 said: ↑

these two lines are the jest of it
85 Cotos = 100$ in game
earning them in game LoL, true he could grind away get gold buy them at 2k each will take what 6 months of casual play??? remember has to play level resupply, armor weapons . . n. . . .
Pay another player for it?

eazy peazy

You have that backwards. It's 100 cotos for 85 dollars currently in the store.

85 Cotos for in game gold can be bought around 289k. You are extremely exaggerating how hard it is to make that in game. Even at 5k an hour, which is on the very very very low end of what you can farm per hour. Playing 1 hour a day will get you a row home in under 2 months. If you have any skill whatsoever you can make much much more than 5k per hour in game.

Which one are you quoting as being too low?

The Real Money Trader Kain Darkmoor (I recognise the Avatar straight away) or Weins201?

Did you actually try to do your own research to find out which is more accurate? The highest rate I've EVER seen quoted for gold farming was 6k an hour... but you don't even have to take my word on it. Because Portalarium have an Official RMT in Markee Dragon, and we can cross check the claims on his own page.

Here is the COTO store page; read it quickly, the last patch notes openly declared that because the Store page was putting people off, they're moving them all into game instead.  The correct price is indeed 100 COTO for $85.

However, here is what Markee Dragon is selling Gold COTO for. Remember, he's getting them at a discount direct from Portalarium under the Trusted Trader program. He also is on video on his own channel discussing with Chris Spears how to set the price of COTO to gold, so he has direct input into how the price of COTO is pegged.

And he's charging $44 for 50, or $88 for 100. Slightly more than Portalarium's price to ensure a profit.

But here's what he's charging for Gold (the in game currency): 250k for $48.75. 

Have you spotted where the lie in the comment you just quoted is yet?

The Gold is nearly TWICE AS EXPENSIVE from the Trusted Trader Markee, as Kain claims in game.

And Markee, much as I loathe him for his personal involvement in turning this game into an Ayn Rand nightmare, at least knows how to play the market. There's no way he doesn't know what the true price of Gold is as well.

But the amateur RMTs in Shroud make these false claims all the damn time, because they're out to deliberately deceive people into joining the game, and then hoping by the time you actually find out what the true state of play is, you'll be hooked enough to pay the prices they're demanding for the locked off content.

You are NOT getting to a house with just in game play easily at all. If you could, they couldn't sell you the deeds for as much profit, could they? And if RMTs think they can't profit, they'll pull their funding and Shroud ends tomorrow.

And that is why so many of us are so determined to warn people about what the game REALLY is. We backed a successor to the Ultima series, not a playground for sociopaths and scammers. And anyone coming to the game now will have to pay at least $100 to even have a hope in hell of ever owning a home.

TELL THE TRUTH. ITS NOT HARD TO DO, EVEN IF IT'S ALSO NOT PROFITABLE.
 

Kyleran

Aron_Swordmaster said:

According to this guy in the thread your numbers are way low. 

Kain DarkmoorAvatar

Weins201 said: ↑

these two lines are the jest of it
85 Cotos = 100$ in game
earning them in game LoL, true he could grind away get gold buy them at 2k each will take what 6 months of casual play??? remember has to play level resupply, armor weapons . . n. . . .
Pay another player for it?

eazy peazy

You have that backwards. It's 100 cotos for 85 dollars currently in the store.

85 Cotos for in game gold can be bought around 289k. You are extremely exaggerating how hard it is to make that in game. Even at 5k an hour, which is on the very very very low end of what you can farm per hour. Playing 1 hour a day will get you a row home in under 2 months. If you have any skill whatsoever you can make much much more than 5k per hour in game.

Which one are you quoting as being too low?

The Real Money Trader Kain Darkmoor (I recognise the Avatar straight away) or Weins201?

Did you actually try to do your own research to find out which is more accurate? The highest rate I've EVER seen quoted for gold farming was 6k an hour... but you don't even have to take my word on it. Because Portalarium have an Official RMT in Markee Dragon, and we can cross check the claims on his own page.

Here is the COTO store page; read it quickly, the last patch notes openly declared that because the Store page was putting people off, they're moving them all into game instead.  The correct price is indeed 100 COTO for $85.

However, here is what Markee Dragon is selling Gold COTO for. Remember, he's getting them at a discount direct from Portalarium under the Trusted Trader program. He also is on video on his own channel discussing with Chris Spears how to set the price of COTO to gold, so he has direct input into how the price of COTO is pegged.

And he's charging $44 for 50, or $88 for 100. Slightly more than Portalarium's price to ensure a profit.

But here's what he's charging for Gold (the in game currency): 250k for $48.75. 

Have you spotted where the lie in the comment you just quoted is yet?

The Gold is nearly TWICE AS EXPENSIVE from the Trusted Trader Markee, as Kain claims in game.

And Markee, much as I loathe him for his personal involvement in turning this game into an Ayn Rand nightmare, at least knows how to play the market. There's no way he doesn't know what the true price of Gold is as well.

But the amateur RMTs in Shroud make these false claims all the damn time, because they're out to deliberately deceive people into joining the game, and then hoping by the time you actually find out what the true state of play is, you'll be hooked enough to pay the prices they're demanding for the locked off content.

You are NOT getting to a house with just in game play easily at all. If you could, they couldn't sell you the deeds for as much profit, could they? And if RMTs think they can't profit, they'll pull their funding and Shroud ends tomorrow.

And that is why so many of us are so determined to warn people about what the game REALLY is. We backed a successor to the Ultima series, not a playground for sociopaths and scammers. And anyone coming to the game now will have to pay at least $100 to even have a hope in hell of ever owning a home.

TELL THE TRUTH. ITS NOT HARD TO DO, EVEN IF IT'S ALSO NOT PROFITABLE.
 

As I lack an obsession with this game, no I did not research the claim of 5 K an hour being easy to obtain, nor have I researched anyones background, not even yours for that matter.

Just pointed out the disparity I observed in the thread which clearly you dispute, point taken.

See how this works?  Saved myself a bunch of effort in the process.

DracSchnider

Aron_Swordmaster said:

According to this guy in the thread your numbers are way low. 

Kain DarkmoorAvatar

Weins201 said: ↑

these two lines are the jest of it
85 Cotos = 100$ in game
earning them in game LoL, true he could grind away get gold buy them at 2k each will take what 6 months of casual play??? remember has to play level resupply, armor weapons . . n. . . .
Pay another player for it?

eazy peazy

You have that backwards. It's 100 cotos for 85 dollars currently in the store.

85 Cotos for in game gold can be bought around 289k. You are extremely exaggerating how hard it is to make that in game. Even at 5k an hour, which is on the very very very low end of what you can farm per hour. Playing 1 hour a day will get you a row home in under 2 months. If you have any skill whatsoever you can make much much more than 5k per hour in game.

Which one are you quoting as being too low?

The Real Money Trader Kain Darkmoor (I recognise the Avatar straight away) or Weins201?

Did you actually try to do your own research to find out which is more accurate? The highest rate I've EVER seen quoted for gold farming was 6k an hour... but you don't even have to take my word on it. Because Portalarium have an Official RMT in Markee Dragon, and we can cross check the claims on his own page.

Here is the COTO store page; read it quickly, the last patch notes openly declared that because the Store page was putting people off, they're moving them all into game instead.  The correct price is indeed 100 COTO for $85.

However, here is what Markee Dragon is selling Gold COTO for. Remember, he's getting them at a discount direct from Portalarium under the Trusted Trader program. He also is on video on his own channel discussing with Chris Spears how to set the price of COTO to gold, so he has direct input into how the price of COTO is pegged.

And he's charging $44 for 50, or $88 for 100. Slightly more than Portalarium's price to ensure a profit.

But here's what he's charging for Gold (the in game currency): 250k for $48.75. 

Have you spotted where the lie in the comment you just quoted is yet?

The Gold is nearly TWICE AS EXPENSIVE from the Trusted Trader Markee, as Kain claims in game.

And Markee, much as I loathe him for his personal involvement in turning this game into an Ayn Rand nightmare, at least knows how to play the market. There's no way he doesn't know what the true price of Gold is as well.

But the amateur RMTs in Shroud make these false claims all the damn time, because they're out to deliberately deceive people into joining the game, and then hoping by the time you actually find out what the true state of play is, you'll be hooked enough to pay the prices they're demanding for the locked off content.

You are NOT getting to a house with just in game play easily at all. If you could, they couldn't sell you the deeds for as much profit, could they? And if RMTs think they can't profit, they'll pull their funding and Shroud ends tomorrow.

And that is why so many of us are so determined to warn people about what the game REALLY is. We backed a successor to the Ultima series, not a playground for sociopaths and scammers. And anyone coming to the game now will have to pay at least $100 to even have a hope in hell of ever owning a home.

TELL THE TRUTH. ITS NOT HARD TO DO, EVEN IF IT'S ALSO NOT PROFITABLE.
 

haha I would not buy COTOS from Markee,  You can get 1 coto for as low as 2600igg.  Average prices no player markets are 3000-3500igg.

100k = 15usd based on player market.   So that said its much cheaper then people think.

Also making gold early in the game is hard that is for sure, however once you get around adv level 50+ you can make 1-2k / hour and even more higher up in levels.  So it will take the average person 3 weeks at mid level to get a deed and around another week or two a house to put on it with out having to spend a dime.

I think the biggest issues is that people don't shop around enough as there is no central house to see who is selling cheaper.   

A perfect example.  on Discords SOTA trade channel they have +14 swords for 150k+ ,  myself I have a friend that makes swords to +7 and I enchant them to +14 and up and sell for 30k.

I could not believe that the guy that sells his for 150k+ sells anything knowing that I have markets that have them for so much less, but apparently people do as he is always advertising in that range.  That just tells me those players have no clue on prices.

Or even better Kain lives in Isle of Xee which has a gov that practically gives away +16-17 mage gear and offers free housing even to members of the guild.   

What that tells me is that some people are just greedy and eventually and hopefully people who play get smart enough to understand that and those over priced guys well they will loose out in the end unless they change. 

Cheers,

Dracschnider

DracSchnider

Kyleran said:

Mars_Orbital said:

I noticed this too, but once released, for those people who did pay up for a house, they will be able to have a nice community of players to RP with, ones that did pay.

I'm trying to figure what is really different on "release" day which will encourage players to try or return to this game.

In a traditional model servers would be wiped and everyone would "start" working on their progression.

Does anything actually "start" on release day?

(Besides the clock on when they can walk away from this game?)

The difference is like todays Patch R51, as well the last 3 before it.  all the content is being added between these and the next patch.   145+ new skill specializations added with mastery system todays patch for example.   They just changed how things work.  now mastering will hurt opposite schools.

They also are uncloning the zones meaning putting in the real zones which some are massive with all the content for them including quests.

So on release the game of yesterday is not the same as today

blorpykins

Sounds exactly like what devs do right before a commercial launch.  Completely overhaul the combat system, add 145+ new skills, and then let all the players redistribute 2 years worth of saved up experience points without any penalty and no wipe.  (you forgot to mention the 2 years worth of exp everyone has  because the game went persistent in 2016)

Aragon100

blorpykins said:

Sounds exactly like what devs do right before a commercial launch.  Completely overhaul the combat system, add 145+ new skills, and then let all the players redistribute 2 years worth of saved up experience points without any penalty and no wipe.  (you forgot to mention the 2 years worth of exp everyone has  because the game went persistent in 2016)

On release all player's should start evenly. 

All house's should be removed and a new landrush should take place. That will not happen in this game. The one's that donated more real life money will keep their house and making it impossible for a newcomer to get that spot. The one's that donated most real life money also started the old land rush before all that just donated 45$.

If this is release as developer's claim then all experience should be removed so all have the same chance when game start's. 

But this is not release as described above. Release was a long time ago.

Aragon100

Mars_Orbital said:

Kyleran said:

Mars_Orbital said:

I noticed this too, but once released, for those people who did pay up for a house, they will be able to have a nice community of players to RP with, ones that did pay.

I'm trying to figure what is really different on "release" day which will encourage players to try or return to this game.

In a traditional model servers would be wiped and everyone would "start" working on their progression.

Does anything actually "start" on release day?

(Besides the clock on when they can walk away from this game?)

You do realize you are talking about Lord British and not some nickel and dime pusher at EA ? From what I've seen is game portfolio isn't that bad.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

You are never as good as your last game and with so few playing this game and with so bad review's over at steam i would not hold my breath.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/326160/Shroud_of_the_Avatar_Forsaken_Virtues/#app_reviews_hash

To me Garriott is someone that was good many, may year's ago.

And how do you see on this so called "release"?

I quote myself -

"On release all player's should start evenly. 

All house's should be removed and a new landrush should take place. That will not happen in this game. The one's that donated more real life money will keep their house and making it impossible for a newcomer to get that spot. The one's that donated most real life money also started the old land rush before all that just donated 45$.

If this is release as developer's claim then all experience should be removed so all have the same chance when game start's. 

But this is not release as described above. Release was a long time ago."

cover2xy

As a former Royal Founder Duke who had two tax free properties I can simply say this...STAY FAR AWAY from this game. It is a complete and total cash grab that focuses more on the RMT storefront than actual gameplay and story dynamics. Which is exactly why today they are still redoing the combat, the skills, the story etc. It's simply Portaterrible! 

Kyleran

Mars_Orbital said:

Kyleran said:

Mars_Orbital said:

I noticed this too, but once released, for those people who did pay up for a house, they will be able to have a nice community of players to RP with, ones that did pay.

I'm trying to figure what is really different on "release" day which will encourage players to try or return to this game.

In a traditional model servers would be wiped and everyone would "start" working on their progression.

Does anything actually "start" on release day?

(Besides the clock on when they can walk away from this game?)

You do realize you are talking about Lord British and not some nickel and dime pusher at EA ? From what I've seen is game portfolio isn't that bad.

D&D#1	1977	Game designer & programmer
Akalabeth: World of Doom	1980	Game designer & programmer
Ultima I: The First Age of Darkness	1981	Original conceptor, programmer & graphic artist
Ultima II: The Revenge of the Enchantress	1982	Game designer
Ultima III: Exodus	1983	Project director
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar	1985	Project director
Autoduel	1985	Programmer & designer
Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny	1988	Designer, writer & programmer
Omega	1989	Designer
Ultima VI: The False Prophet	1990	Designer, producer, sound effect worker, writer & voice actor
Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire	1990	Executive producer
Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams	1991	Creative director
Ultima: Runes of Virtue	1991	Creative director
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss	1992	Director & voice actor
Ultima VII: The Black Gate	1992	Director & producer
Ultima VII: Forge of Virtue	1993	Creative assistance & producer
Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle	1993	Creative director & audio team member
Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed	1993	Director & voice actor
Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds	1993	Director & voice actor
Ultima VIII: Pagan	1994	Producer
Ultima: Runes of Virtue II	1994	Creative director & additional design
Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale	Cancelled	Producer
BioForge	1995	Executive producer
Ultima Online	1997	Producer
Ultima Online: The Second Age	1998	Executive designer
Lineage	1998	Executive producer
Ultima IX: Ascension	1999	Director
Lineage II	2003	Executive producer
City of Heroes	2004	Executive producer
City of Villains	2005	Executive management
Tabula Rasa	2007	Executive producer
Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues	2017	Creative director

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Did your reply have anything to do with what I posted?

sowens0074

Cash Grab...got to buy a house AND a deed.