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Blizzard Exploring How AI Can Target & Punish Toxic Players - Overwatch - MMORPG.com

Overwatch News - In a new interview, Blizzard's Jeff Kaplan has revealed that the company is looking for ways to implement AI to track and punish toxic Overwatch players, an issue that Kaplan and his team feel strongly about. So important, in fact, that content creation has been scaled back somewhat to give devs more time to adequately address the issue. Using AI may be just the ticket.

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SBFord

CondarFreed said:

See the future and weep. AI created to suppress freedom of speech. Coming soon to the entire internet. I really do hate what's happening these days.

1) Being an asshole isn't "freedom of speech". It's being an asshole.
2) Do you even understand the historical and legal definition of freedom of speech?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States
3) There's this thing called Terms of Service. Read it and see what you've agreed to.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673

congtran17

Give your appreciation to those cry babies, that cry about toxic community in gaming. When they can block/mute anyone they want, but keep complain and now most games have censor and ban of "toxic" player, any game has that feature don't deserve any player. Once a player buy the game, they should be able to say and do anything, as long as they don't change the game by using hack or glitches. Fking babies ruin it for everyone.

IceAge

I am one of the .. "toxic" players sometimes.

I mean, you see bad players, you tell them "go Quick Match , why do you play ranked?" They go "Because is fun" , I tell them "This is about ranking before fun, so gtfo" . They then go "FUUUUCKU , reported" . I mean really ?!

I will bash bad players which go ranking because "Is just a game and is fun in ranking" anytime. If is just a game, go Quick Match. If you want to compete, go Ranked. Simple as that.

And I swear they need a system to allow or not , players to play in Ranking, based on some factors, and/or , make a strictly League with Rankings for "Casuals" , who wants to have ...fun and also have a .. ranking system.

SBFord

You can have fun and / or be competitive without being "toxic".  

From what Kaplan is saying, however, it's not like every time someone utters profanity they'll be banned or whatever. It will be a stacking system much like it is with human reporting which will also still be a thing. It'll remain to be seen if it's ever implemented.

Phry

I would rather they spent those resources developing AI on developing the in game AI, although wouldn't it be ironic if the AI moderating the chat decided to troll everyone because... reasons..

SBFord

Phry said:

I would rather they spent those resources developing AI on developing the in game AI, although wouldn't it be ironic if the AI moderating the chat decided to troll everyone because... reasons..

All the "AI" has to be is Mei and just throwing continual ice walls until the perp is fully surrounded by a non-collapsing ice prison. ^^

Sovrath

congtran17 said:

Fking babies ruin it for everyone.

I hope you can appreciate the irony.

Phry

SBFord said:

Phry said:

I would rather they spent those resources developing AI on developing the in game AI, although wouldn't it be ironic if the AI moderating the chat decided to troll everyone because... reasons..

All the "AI" has to be is Mei and just throwing continual ice walls until the perp is fully surrounded by a non-collapsing ice prison. ^^

having them continually attacked by Winston jumping up and down on them should be more than enough to 'monkey' around with them

k61977

I really don't mind seeing people getting banned whether and AI or not for acting like asshats in games.  There is never a reason to go "full retard" excuse the language.  Any person can choose to play whatever mode they want whenever they want.  They pay for the games just like everyone else.  Sorry if you think it ruins your own fun because they aren't as good as you think you are either.  Hell most of the toxic players are the worst ones playing, but think they are great.

ianicus

IceAge said:

I am one of the .. "toxic" players sometimes.

I mean, you see bad players, you tell them "go Quick Match , why do you play ranked?" They go "Because is fun" , I tell them "This is about ranking before fun, so gtfo" . They then go "FUUUUCKU , reported" . I mean really ?!

I will bash bad players which go ranking because "Is just a game and is fun in ranking" anytime. If is just a game, go Quick Match. If you want to compete, go Ranked. Simple as that.

And I swear they need a system to allow or not , players to play in Ranking, based on some factors, and/or , make a strictly League with Rankings for "Casuals" , who wants to have ...fun and also have a .. ranking system.

This isnt the olympics, its a video game. They arent messing with your qualification score for worlds or anything, its.just.a.game. Take the good matches with the bad and chill out.

ianicus

congtran17 said:

Give your appreciation to those cry babies, that cry about toxic community in gaming. When they can block/mute anyone they want, but keep complain and now most games have censor and ban of "toxic" player, any game has that feature don't deserve any player. Once a player buy the game, they should be able to say and do anything, as long as they don't change the game by using hack or glitches. Fking babies ruin it for everyone.

They ruin it by calling people on their crap? yeah totally legit. The old saying comes to mind, and very aptly applies, "didnt your mother ever tell you, if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all". Words to live by man.

IceAge

ianicus said:

IceAge said:

I am one of the .. "toxic" players sometimes.



I mean, you see bad players, you tell them "go Quick Match , why do you play ranked?" They go "Because is fun" , I tell them "This is about ranking before fun, so gtfo" . They then go "FUUUUCKU , reported" . I mean really ?!



I will bash bad players which go ranking because "Is just a game and is fun in ranking" anytime. If is just a game, go Quick Match. If you want to compete, go Ranked. Simple as that.



And I swear they need a system to allow or not , players to play in Ranking, based on some factors, and/or , make a strictly League with Rankings for "Casuals" , who wants to have ...fun and also have a .. ranking system.

This isnt the olympics, its a video game. They arent messing with your qualification score for worlds or anything, its.just.a.game. Take the good matches with the bad and chill out.

Read what I said. Competitive is exactly what it means. C.o.m.p.e.t.i.t.i.v

And actually , the mode in Overwatch it reads " Competitive Play " aka .. "olympics" for you to understand better. If is just a game and people wants to have fun, there is ALWAYS Quick Play & Arcade modes. You got it now? Good.

Is like you are playing in a competitive football team , and your team gives everything, and you are like "Relax boys! Is just a game" . You'll then receive some slaps I'm sure.

Anyway , this print was taken no more then 10 mins ago : https://imgur.com/a/iIkjR . So yeah!

Sovrath

SedrynTyros said:

I think self-moderation is preferable to an AI trying to mete out "justice". If somebody is being an asshat, a la Mei ice walls, and you don't want to play with them again, you should be able to flag the player and never be matched with them again. Don't like what they're saying? Mute them; you never have to read their communications again. Those two systems should suffice. Eventually, the jerkwads will all end up being grouped with nobody but each other. I still don't understand why Kaplan is too butthurt about this to allow that to happen. It's a fine resolution.

I think it's the idea that other people have to suffer them. They can do/act however they want and everyone else has to flow around them.

I think companies would probably make more money if people knew that they didn't tolerate "bad little kid" behavior".

SBFord

SedrynTyros said:

I think self-moderation is preferable to an AI trying to mete out "justice". If somebody is being an asshat, a la Mei ice walls, and you don't want to play with them again, you should be able to flag the player and never be matched with them again. Don't like what they're saying? Mute them; you never have to read their communications again. Those two systems should suffice. Eventually, the jerkwads will all end up being grouped with nobody but each other. I still don't understand why Kaplan is too butthurt about this to allow that to happen. It's a fine resolution.

Sometimes both the player and the company that's made a game have to stand up to bullies and thugs that ruin the fun for everyone. Your line of thinking is that playground bullies should be "avoided and tolerated while children put fingers in their ears not to hear their taunts". Unacceptable there. Unacceptable in games.

Self-moderation has obviously not worked or there wouldn't be a "toxic" community or problem in any game.

Siveria

I honestly think players need to stop being wimps and learn to grow thicker skin when on the internet myself. So many people these days are offended by the dumbest stuff. "Whaaaa some random person i'm probally never going to meet again hurt mah feels, wahhh need to cry to support about it"

Honestly? best way to handle it? ban them. 3 strikes your out system, first is a warning, 2nd is a 3-7 day ban, and the third strike? permaban, because if they haven't learned after the first 2 strikes they aren't going to learn at all.

SBFord

Siveria said:

I honestly think players need to stop being wimps and learn to grow thicker skin when on the internet myself. So many people these days are offended by the dumbest stuff. "Whaaaa some random person i'm probally never going to meet again hurt mah feels, wahhh need to cry to support about it"

Honestly? best way to handle it? ban them. 3 strikes your out system, first is a warning, 2nd is a 3-7 day ban, and the third strike? permaban, because if they haven't learned after the first 2 strikes they aren't going to learn at all.

This "excuse" for bad behavior is getting so tiresome. There's this thing called sportsmanship -- not that tempers don't get heated, not that words aren't sometimes exchanged. Those aren't the ones that need to go.

The people that all of these game developers are targeting make a habit out of being bullies. It's their thing and telling people that they just have to "grow a thicker skin" is dismissing behavior that in any other context would not be tolerated and trying to somehow "blame" people for being bullied. No. 

In light of this overall topic, this is good reading:

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/03/riot-blizzard-and-twitch-are-teaming-up-to-fight-toxic-gaming-behaviour/

Xenoska

SBFord said:

CondarFreed said:

See the future and weep. AI created to suppress freedom of speech. Coming soon to the entire internet. I really do hate what's happening these days.

1) Being an asshole isn't "freedom of speech". It's being an asshole.
2) Do you even understand the historical and legal definition of freedom of speech?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States
3) There's this thing called Terms of Service. Read it and see what you've agreed to.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673

1)I have the freedom to be an asshole. People are too thin skinned now a days, crying about hurt feeeeelings.
2)Posting a wikipedia article as a source for freedom of speech... We'll just agree to disagree that neither of us are lawyers and the interpretation of the law has many different views.

3)This is the big one. If i knew how to quote on a forum, i would have singled out this one. It's the most worrying. Not just for Blizzard though, whom i no longer support because of "big brother" type actions like this. It goes for just about every company out there who has an app or service. You have no privacy anymore and in many cases are being exploited. See Facebook for example.
Then again, what do i know, i'm just over here adding more foil to my hat.

Sovrath

Xenoska said:

1)I have the freedom to be an asshole. People are too thin skinned now a days, crying about hurt feeeeelings.

You do. And others have the freedom to shut you down.

SBFord

Sovrath said:

Xenoska said:

1)I have the freedom to be an asshole. People are too thin skinned now a days, crying about hurt feeeeelings.

You do. And others have the freedom to shut you down.

And a game company "rents" you the privilege of playing their game. If they don't like your "freedom to be an asshole", then they'll bid you a fond farewell. It's not just Blizzard these days, but most game companies.

IceAge

Siveria said:

I honestly think players need to stop being wimps and learn to grow thicker skin when on the internet myself. So many people these days are offended by the dumbest stuff. "Whaaaa some random person i'm probally never going to meet again hurt mah feels, wahhh need to cry to support about it"

Exactly!

And in this case, not only they feel offended , but they also offend back and after, tells you so proud that they will report you. I mean .. just report and shut up, or grow some balls.

Sovrath

SBFord said:

Sovrath said:

Xenoska said:

1)I have the freedom to be an asshole. People are too thin skinned now a days, crying about hurt feeeeelings.

You do. And others have the freedom to shut you down.

And a game company "rents" you the privilege of playing their game. If they don't like your "freedom to be an asshole", then they'll bid you a fond farewell. It's not just Blizzard these days, but most game companies.

And that's really the point right? Some people proclaim that they can do what they want. Well, great! That's awesome! And the companies who aren't interested in these people will just shut them out. It's their ultimate ignore.

Theocritus

and people wonder why some of us cant stand PVP type games? It isn't the game, its the players that are the problem.

mmrv

SBFord said:

CondarFreed said:

See the future and weep. AI created to suppress freedom of speech. Coming soon to the entire internet. I really do hate what's happening these days.

1) Being an asshole isn't "freedom of speech". It's being an asshole.
2) Do you even understand the historical and legal definition of freedom of speech?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States
3) There's this thing called Terms of Service. Read it and see what you've agreed to.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673

Clearly its you that lacks the understanding of freedom.

1) Being an a-hole is 100% subjective and in the current PC environment we are suffering through that can factually mean "anything under the sun is being an a-hole". In fact I find your response pretty much exactly what an a-hole would reply with. So I would wager you wouldn't be happy with me deciding what speech is acceptable or not would you?

2) I personally do and what you find is as progressive politically correct wackos push the envelope further and further that they are redefining what freedom of speech from its original inception via "lawyering and political agendas".

Freedom of speech in its original inception was just that the FREEDOM TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT regardless of who likes it or not. As time passes far left progressive marxists are trying every day to limit those freedoms and define speech to limit speech to only what they believe it should be. Its communism 101.

In the end i find these companies trying to control peoples right to free speech unacceptable. Put in the proper tools and let the users "Define" the speech they want to be exposed to. Give me word filters and the ability to mute people, there is no excuse for me to them be subjected to any speech i find offensive as I can mute or filter said speech. Its a shocker i know how dare i suggest people be responsible for themselves.

This all is very dangerous infringements on basic human rights and freedoms, being having a small group of people decide what speech is "hate speech" or as you say being an a-hole" and then being empowered to control and punish those who do not obey their "laws". As I demonstrated in point one where i decided your entire response was being an a-hole now you should lose your job and I will start a boycott campaign on your advertisers....ya sorry I will never support that type of tyranny. It all starts with a terms of service on a game, and before you know it you are clicking a term of service to access the internet...I don;t care what your terms of service alphabet soup says you cant ask people to sign away basic human rights imho.

MadFrenchie

Xenoska said:

SBFord said:

CondarFreed said:

See the future and weep. AI created to suppress freedom of speech. Coming soon to the entire internet. I really do hate what's happening these days.

1) Being an asshole isn't "freedom of speech". It's being an asshole.
2) Do you even understand the historical and legal definition of freedom of speech?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States
3) There's this thing called Terms of Service. Read it and see what you've agreed to.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673

1)I have the freedom to be an asshole. People are too thin skinned now a days, crying about hurt feeeeelings.
2)Posting a wikipedia article as a source for freedom of speech... We'll just agree to disagree that neither of us are lawyers and the interpretation of the law has many different views.

3)This is the big one. If i knew how to quote on a forum, i would have singled out this one. It's the most worrying. Not just for Blizzard though, whom i no longer support because of "big brother" type actions like this. It goes for just about every company out there who has an app or service. You have no privacy anymore and in many cases are being exploited. See Facebook for example.
Then again, what do i know, i'm just over here adding more foil to my hat.

Considering most Wikipedia articles link to and cite their sources, you'll have to do better than that to dismiss Suzie's linked definition.

SBFord

MadFrenchie said:

Xenoska said:

SBFord said:

CondarFreed said:

See the future and weep. AI created to suppress freedom of speech. Coming soon to the entire internet. I really do hate what's happening these days.

1) Being an asshole isn't "freedom of speech". It's being an asshole.
2) Do you even understand the historical and legal definition of freedom of speech?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States
3) There's this thing called Terms of Service. Read it and see what you've agreed to.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673

1)I have the freedom to be an asshole. People are too thin skinned now a days, crying about hurt feeeeelings.
2)Posting a wikipedia article as a source for freedom of speech... We'll just agree to disagree that neither of us are lawyers and the interpretation of the law has many different views.

3)This is the big one. If i knew how to quote on a forum, i would have singled out this one. It's the most worrying. Not just for Blizzard though, whom i no longer support because of "big brother" type actions like this. It goes for just about every company out there who has an app or service. You have no privacy anymore and in many cases are being exploited. See Facebook for example.
Then again, what do i know, i'm just over here adding more foil to my hat.

Considering most Wikipedia articles link to and cite their sources, you'll have to do better than that to dismiss Suzie's linked definition.

There's always this too:

https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/freedom-of-speech/

or this...

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/interactive-constitution-the-meaning-of-free-speech

or this...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

But I guess that makes the point.