Blizzard Exploring How AI Can Target & Punish Toxic Players - Overwatch - MMORPG.com

nk362y

SBFord said:

nk362y said:

SBFord said:

Warhawke80 said:

This may ramble a bit but.....

As a former Guild member of Jeff's I find it ironic that "Tigole Bitties" Is talking about toxic anything...he pretty much wrote the book on Toxicity in gaming back in the day. In any event I think we should give tools to the players to decide what type of speech the care to hear. It seems fashionable to label anyone you disagree with as an assshole and honestly compared to how bad in game chat use to be, the whole Big Brother approach seems a day late and a dollar short.

The big scary part of this is if AI is handling moderation that allows the developer to remove themselves from responsibility, and they can say "I didn't ban you the SJW5000 banned you."

No this isn't going to end well, the generation right behind this current perpetually outraged and offended generation is shaping up to be the polar opposite, combine those with the vast majority of 80"s and 90's gamers and you have a very large demographic. Sure game developers can follow the comic industry and say "we don't want that demographics money" The same thing will happen to gaming that happen'd to comics.

socprogs only gather at what is the trending two minuets of hate; when they move to the next fashionable outrage, developers that bought into this will be left holding the bag, actual gamers have long memories and a penchant for revenge....if you don't believe me have a chat with Bill Roper sometimes.

Please don't bring the whole political thing into this with your sly hints at "SJW" and so forth. It's a spirited and interesting discussion without that stuff.

As to the upcoming generation that is leading this country to true reform in a number of crucial areas: You can bet that they will be the ones to find the solution to toxicity in all its forms and locations, even in games that are an integral part of their lives. They've been inspirational to those of us who perhaps dozed in complacency for too long. 

As for Kaplan, perhaps "in the day" he was a toxic player. But we all grow, learn and change. I'd hate to be judged now solely on the things I did in years past. 

This is the first generation that's fighting for less rights and privileges. And to all the people who fought, died and sacrificed soo much to keep our rights and privileges must be turning over in their graves and are crying each and everyday seeing what our once great country is turning into. Less rights more restrictions is not progress it's socialism and I remember we used stand up and say we are AMERICANS AND WE WONT STAND FOR THIS SHIT! Now we are allowing children to get on tv and tell us how horrible we are for wanting to keep our rights.

Or just perhaps, my friend, that this is a more enlightened, broad-minded inclusive generation....sorta like the baby boomers used to be in the 60s. And let's not forget that many of the founding fathers were teens to mid-30 somethings. Change comes through the young. If you can't handle it, get out of the way.

The baby boomers of the 60s were not trying to silence people they didn't like they were not trying take away fundamental rights givin to us by the founding fathers. If anything the movement in the 60s was about MORE freedoms not less.  and the founding fathers left an opressive country to create one that was free. And I guarantee that if they saw what was going on they wouldn't sit by and let the US fall. They would fight back. And I think that we are going to see more young people doing that as this pc culture is getting worse and worse 

Amathe

History has seen the Dark Ages, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment. Welcome now to the Age of Angry. Everyone has an opinion. Few people can see the other side of an issue, nor respect it. Any effort at discourse leads to anger, then great anger. Cable news and the internet did this. I'm not sure what comes next but I fear it will be worse. 

JeffSpicoli

Years ago, I worked for a company that was a third party provider of forum moderation services. We tried with all that we had to come up with an exhaustive list of phrases and words that were considered "toxic" and "bannable". Guess what? Then we got the cutsies that said f*ck, fu*k and so on ad nauseum. It literally never ended. 

"Waaahhh....you banned me but PH*K isn't on the LIIIIIIIIIST....."

It simply wasn't worth the time or effort because there's always some jerk who's going to push the limits and push the limits and push the limits. It. Never. Stops. And people wonder why they go with generalities. Geez.

nk362y

And I won't get out of the way thank you very much. Too many people have 

JeffSpicoli

This Guy use to ride Harleys and raise hell back in the 60's. Now all he does is Shit post on forums,Be a scumbag in Online games and Support Trump

JeffSpicoli

Amathe said:

History has seen the Dark Ages, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment. Welcome now to the Age of Angry. Everyone has an opinion. Few people can see the other side of an issue, nor respect it. Any effort at discourse leads to anger, then great anger. Cable news and the internet did this. I'm not sure what comes next but I fear it will be worse. 

Thank You, This 100 %

Gazimoff

SedrynTyros said:

No, I think nk362y is expressing valid concerns.  Political Correctness as a movement is cultural poison and by the time enough of us realize what we've sacrificed to make everyone feel more comfortable they'll be no going back.  It's going to get a lot worse, unfortunately, and many of the people who support the direction things are headed now will live long enough to regret their lack of foresight.

That's whataboutism that's unrelated to the article.

You're free to speak your mind without the Government attacking you for it (free speech).

You're not entitled to be free from the consequences of making that speech, including loss of social standing, friendships, and even employment. 

You're not entitled to force people to listen to your speech, whether that's in a public place, private location, online forum, or even video game.

You're not entitled to force private companies to permit you to make speech that they deem unacceptable, whether they provide rules or otherwise.

It is not political correctness. It is not free speech. It is a question of entitlement, and the misconception individuals have that they are entitled to more speech, or entitled to be heard, than the law states.