Their policy is probably because of how Bless turned out. They became generous with their refund policy and got burned for it.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
If you think this will happen, you are part of the problem. This goes under trolling obviously.
Society is so strange, I grew up in a no fucks given era to only view an every fucks given era. The swing in attitude is so fascinating.
There is trolling and there are political agendas, if you want a gaming platform to end up politicized, then you will be willing to accept the risk by opening your platform to not having control over it.
Unless you think gaming is immune to the whole political agendas being pushed everywhere through the online sphere.
But to me, it is not, in fact many extreme ideology groups struggle a lot to promote themselves because their message is not allowed in many places, but let's put a Steam without moderation of games in the context, if I put myself on their place, it would be a great opportunity to push a political agenda such as that with more exposure by creating a controversial game ending up all over the news.
I will just simply ignore anything I don't like or want to play. Simple as that, not sure why you can't do the same?
People can push whatever agenda they want, if people listen that is on them, you aren't saving the world by stopping them. Why must you feel like there needs to be a white knight protecting everyone from everything? Protection leads to government influence and agendas, it does nothing for anyone except takes choice away and mandates it with a law that every good citizen should abide to.
Without getting into a whole political argument cause that's not what this is, I'll just say there is two sides to this coin, one is complete freedom of choice and the other is regulation. Why would you ever want to be tied down? Unless you are into that sort of thing, no judgement here. If you like getting cucked by outside influences that's your thing and that's great.
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Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.
Can't wait to see:
Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
All Jews Must Die
Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
Border Patrol Online
She Begged For It III
This will deff happen.
We have groups that stand the freedom of speech and ideals and so forth to openly support things that the vast majority would consider despicable, so if Valve drops standards to allow games there independent of content as long it's not illegal and so...
...then I don't think anything will stop the usage of a platform to publish games that would easily fall on pushing extreme political ideologies into a widespread gaming platform as Steam is, a side of just offensive stuff that usually aims at religion/race.
If you think this will happen, you are part of the problem. This goes under trolling obviously.
Society is so strange, I grew up in a no fucks given era to only view an every fucks given era. The swing in attitude is so fascinating.
Unfortunately it doesn't go under trolling. Steam has been allowing their communities to be extensively racist for YEARS. They tried to roll out bans, but they aren't doing it with a wide enough scope, and they send mixed messages.
This is the same with games. The problem isn't that "people need to be shepherded" it's that people need to be taught.
Seeing a game that reinforces bigotry and racism in a very real world, current day sense is a problem. Even without media like games enabling the worst of society to reach out and spread propaganda and hate at the expense of others there is a very big problem, one that any generation should easily be able to see.
I think there are a lot of people out there that are easily offended over nothing, a show with a race cast differently, an ad spot for an alarm company, and then there is an undercurrent of "jokes" with no cultural understanding from much of the population which strays into the problems of "racism is okay" because they think its funny.
Steam taking a step back to let whatever on their service isn't about shepherding people to make up their minds, it's allowing a platform for the worst of us to find and spread hate.
The policy that keep real money Casino games out isn't made by Valve, it's governmental gambling laws in most countries and states on the planet.
As for cashgrab, according to some people, Steam is already full of them. It is not the job of the store to tell you if a game is worth buying or not. If you can't decided by just looking at the store page, people's comments along the 2 hours before refund time that a game isn't what you want, I suggest you let your mom/dad or friends buy stuff for you in the future.
To me that view is not balanced, when you go to a store buy groceries, you are not making research in every product you put in your basket to see if it is legit or a scam, it might be bad oro good but overall you play by the minimum standards the shop itself has for the products that it offers.
I'm not sure why should Steam be some sort of eBay, where we need to play by self-research and trust when buying something.
I will just simply ignore anything I don't like or want to play. Simple as that, not sure why you can't do the same?
People can push whatever agenda they want, if people listen that is on them, you aren't saving the world by stopping them. Why must you feel like there needs to be a white knight protecting everyone from everything? Protection leads to government influence and agendas, it does nothing for anyone except takes choice away and mandates it with a law that every good citizen should abide to.
Without getting into a whole political argument cause that's not what this is, I'll just say there is two sides to this coin, one is complete freedom of choice and the other is regulation. Why would you ever want to be tied down? Unless you are into that sort of thing, no judgement here. If you like getting cucked by outside influences that's your thing and that's great.
I can ignore, but I consider a gaming platform that is the main store where a lot of kids buy games, it is not fair to have them exposed to stuff that either political agendas, overly offensive, and so forth just because the shop wants no responsibility over what they are selling.
I wouldn't be bothered by that at all if the customer base of Steam was made of adults, my same feelings towards selling loot boxes.
But a side of that, washing hands of responsibility to me will allow things like racism to run free and create a huge mess within the community itself, because well, it is not illegal so it's fine logic, but to me it's not fine either way and a gaming community as Steam with its exposure and amount of children part of it, shouldn't be exposed to this and needs to be more controlled.
Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.
Can't wait to see:
Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
All Jews Must Die
Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
Border Patrol Online
She Begged For It III
This will deff happen.
We have groups that stand the freedom of speech and ideals and so forth to openly support things that the vast majority would consider despicable, so if Valve drops standards to allow games there independent of content as long it's not illegal and so...
...then I don't think anything will stop the usage of a platform to publish games that would easily fall on pushing extreme political ideologies into a widespread gaming platform as Steam is, a side of just offensive stuff that usually aims at religion/race.
If you think this will happen, you are part of the problem. This goes under trolling obviously.
Society is so strange, I grew up in a no fucks given era to only view an every fucks given era. The swing in attitude is so fascinating.
Unfortunately it doesn't go under trolling. Steam has been allowing their communities to be extensively racist for YEARS. They tried to roll out bans, but they aren't doing it with a wide enough scope, and they send mixed messages.
This is the same with games. The problem isn't that "people need to be shepherded" it's that people need to be taught.
Seeing a game that reinforces bigotry and racism in a very real world, current day sense is a problem. Even without media like games enabling the worst of society to reach out and spread propaganda and hate at the expense of others there is a very big problem, one that any generation should easily be able to see.
I think there are a lot of people out there that are easily offended over nothing, a show with a race cast differently, an ad spot for an alarm company, and then there is an undercurrent of "jokes" with no cultural understanding from much of the population which strays into the problems of "racism is okay" because they think its funny.
Steam taking a step back to let whatever on their service isn't about shepherding people to make up their minds, it's allowing a platform for the worst of us to find and spread hate.
I see so you are that kind of guy who thinks giving people freedom to choose what they want to do or think too much?
serious waht is the real issue on steam selling any kind of game? crap games they already sell, so waht is the point on these complains? of a bussiness, who the sole idea is make money to hold people hands telling then what they should or shouldn't do, I already have to deal with the goverment trying to manipulate me in thinking everything they do is for me, I don't need more people doing so
Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.
Can't wait to see:
Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
All Jews Must Die
Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
Border Patrol Online
She Begged For It III
This will deff happen.
We have groups that stand the freedom of speech and ideals and so forth to openly support things that the vast majority would consider despicable, so if Valve drops standards to allow games there independent of content as long it's not illegal and so...
...then I don't think anything will stop the usage of a platform to publish games that would easily fall on pushing extreme political ideologies into a widespread gaming platform as Steam is, a side of just offensive stuff that usually aims at religion/race.
If you think this will happen, you are part of the problem. This goes under trolling obviously.
Society is so strange, I grew up in a no fucks given era to only view an every fucks given era. The swing in attitude is so fascinating.
Unfortunately it doesn't go under trolling. Steam has been allowing their communities to be extensively racist for YEARS. They tried to roll out bans, but they aren't doing it with a wide enough scope, and they send mixed messages.
This is the same with games. The problem isn't that "people need to be shepherded" it's that people need to be taught.
Seeing a game that reinforces bigotry and racism in a very real world, current day sense is a problem. Even without media like games enabling the worst of society to reach out and spread propaganda and hate at the expense of others there is a very big problem, one that any generation should easily be able to see.
I think there are a lot of people out there that are easily offended over nothing, a show with a race cast differently, an ad spot for an alarm company, and then there is an undercurrent of "jokes" with no cultural understanding from much of the population which strays into the problems of "racism is okay" because they think its funny.
Steam taking a step back to let whatever on their service isn't about shepherding people to make up their minds, it's allowing a platform for the worst of us to find and spread hate.
I see so you are that kind of guy who thinks giving people freedom to choose what they want to do or think too much?
serious waht is the real issue on steam selling any kind of game? crap games they already sell, so waht is the point on these complains? of a bussiness, who the sole idea is make money to hold people hands telling then what they should or shouldn't do, I already have to deal with the goverment trying to manipulate me in thinking everything they do is for me, I don't need more people doing so
You misunderstand if you think it's about a freedom to choose or a freedom to think. It's about giving a platform to people who wish to change the perceptions of those that are young and impressionable through a specified medium such as gaming.
Your first mistake is thinking that everyone is only influenced by their own ideas. Every idea, even hateful ones have already been thought of, and are pushed out daily by those with an agenda, and Steam being a platform for those agendas as a rally point would be like allowing microsofts AI twitter bot to go on posting racist tweets. Had microsoft thrown up their hands, shrugged it off and said, "Thats the internet for you!" and let it keep on posting, despite millions of people utilizing microsoft products in their daily live - they all should just "not read the tweets" and be okay with it?
It's unfortunate that you have issues with your government telling you what you should think or do, and whether you believe what they say or not is on you, but if your response to that is to allow hateful messages and communities that intend to rally over causes meant to demean, diminish and harm others as your go-to response, your notion of "freedom" is sorely misguided.
"Dude, don't buy that game Bless, it failed 3 other launches, it'll do the same here"
"Nah man, it's going to be alright" Bless Online happens
"Hey dude, that new survival game is too buggy to play and the developers have a history of abandoning their projects"
"Nah man, it's going to be alright"
Almost every survival game that's still in early access after 5 years of development or has been already abandoned happens
"Hey dude, don't even bother with that Asian MMO, it's just a bad clone of X and is p2w"
"Nah man, it's going to be alright"
90% of Asian MMOs happens
So how's that "ALRIGHT" working out for ya?
That's without bothering to mention the fact that the multi billion $$$ company Valve are literally twiddling their thumbs while money is pouring in, not offering any services aside from just the platform itself. Sets a good precedent for everyone else who wants to get into the business. Just like the developers selling their sub-par products despite their shortcomings are.
Letting the consumer choose is absolutely the worst possible thing you could do when more than half of your consumers wet their shirts with drool when idling. That is, unless you're into it for the money, in which case...GO VALVE
I honestly couldn't really care less about nudity or politics in a game as long as there's value in it but when most of these games have demonstrated in the past that they're just cash grabs, I don't know what else people want. Don't police the type or the content, but police the quality of it. You can't just get billions of dollars yearly and do nothing, I can't understand how people are ok with this.
I refunded one game so far because the game was simply too hard for me and I decided paying 50+ Euros for a game that I will not play was too much and I asked for a refund.
I will just simply ignore anything I don't like or want to play. Simple as that, not sure why you can't do the same?
People can push whatever agenda they want, if people listen that is on them, you aren't saving the world by stopping them. Why must you feel like there needs to be a white knight protecting everyone from everything? Protection leads to government influence and agendas, it does nothing for anyone except takes choice away and mandates it with a law that every good citizen should abide to.
Without getting into a whole political argument cause that's not what this is, I'll just say there is two sides to this coin, one is complete freedom of choice and the other is regulation. Why would you ever want to be tied down? Unless you are into that sort of thing, no judgement here. If you like getting cucked by outside influences that's your thing and that's great.
I can ignore, but I consider a gaming platform that is the main store where a lot of kids buy games, it is not fair to have them exposed to stuff that either political agendas, overly offensive, and so forth just because the shop wants no responsibility over what they are selling.
I wouldn't be bothered by that at all if the customer base of Steam was made of adults, my same feelings towards selling loot boxes.
But a side of that, washing hands of responsibility to me will allow things like racism to run free and create a huge mess within the community itself, because well, it is not illegal so it's fine logic, but to me it's not fine either way and a gaming community as Steam with its exposure and amount of children part of it, shouldn't be exposed to this and needs to be more controlled.
To that I say, why does Steam become the parent? If you are a kid on the platform it is your parent's responsibility to know what you are doing and be open with discussions. The parents that close themselves off, don't teach or explain things in life are the ones doing a dis-service to their kid. It is why things like safe spaces have become acceptable, because they don't know how to handle their feelings since no one brought them up correctly to begin with.
Racism and bigotry is sadly part of life, I'm not going to tell someone they can't be racist or sexist or anything like. Because in the end they will feel what they feel, their values is different than yours and mine, their lifestyle is different than yours or mine, their experiences are different than yours or mine. To hide that or shuffle it under the rug like it doesn't exist is an odd form of censorship.
It happens, it will continue to happen and it is part of life and something everyone has to deal with in their own way.
Again policing a platform does not make it go away, it just fuels the flames.
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What Steam is telling me is that they have and believe in zero quality control. Two hours time is not enough time to judge the quality/value of a product since Steam isn't doing any kind of quality control.
These aren't works of art, they are consumer products.
Maybe someone out there wants to play "Shower with your Dad". Who am I to tell them no? Let Valve present us with all the offerings but have some way we can sift through the garbage.
"Dude, don't buy that game Bless, it failed 3 other launches, it'll do the same here"
"Nah man, it's going to be alright" Bless Online happens
yeah, and I'm having a good time for what it is.
That's why it's never good to listen to others as then the fretting and the wringing of hands happens and they tell you not to do things because they can't put it in proper perspective.
So yeah, the consumers should decide. Otherwise "others" will make decisions for you.
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I will just simply ignore anything I don't like or want to play. Simple as that, not sure why you can't do the same?
People can push whatever agenda they want, if people listen that is on them, you aren't saving the world by stopping them. Why must you feel like there needs to be a white knight protecting everyone from everything? Protection leads to government influence and agendas, it does nothing for anyone except takes choice away and mandates it with a law that every good citizen should abide to.
Without getting into a whole political argument cause that's not what this is, I'll just say there is two sides to this coin, one is complete freedom of choice and the other is regulation. Why would you ever want to be tied down? Unless you are into that sort of thing, no judgement here. If you like getting cucked by outside influences that's your thing and that's great.
I can ignore, but I consider a gaming platform that is the main store where a lot of kids buy games, it is not fair to have them exposed to stuff that either political agendas, overly offensive, and so forth just because the shop wants no responsibility over what they are selling.
I wouldn't be bothered by that at all if the customer base of Steam was made of adults, my same feelings towards selling loot boxes.
But a side of that, washing hands of responsibility to me will allow things like racism to run free and create a huge mess within the community itself, because well, it is not illegal so it's fine logic, but to me it's not fine either way and a gaming community as Steam with its exposure and amount of children part of it, shouldn't be exposed to this and needs to be more controlled.
To that I say, why does Steam become the parent? If you are a kid on the platform it is your parent's responsibility to know what you are doing and be open with discussions. The parents that close themselves off, don't teach or explain things in life are the ones doing a dis-service to their kid. It is why things like safe spaces have become acceptable, because they don't know how to handle their feelings since no one brought them up correctly to begin with.
Racism and bigotry is sadly part of life, I'm not going to tell someone they can't be racist or sexist or anything like. Because in the end they will feel what they feel, their values is different than yours and mine, their lifestyle is different than yours or mine, their experiences are different than yours or mine. To hide that or shuffle it under the rug like it doesn't exist is an odd form of censorship.
It happens, it will continue to happen and it is part of life and something everyone has to deal with in their own way.
Again policing a platform does not make it go away, it just fuels the flames.
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
"Dude, don't buy that game Bless, it failed 3 other launches, it'll do the same here"
"Nah man, it's going to be alright" Bless Online happens
yeah, and I'm having a good time for what it is.
That's why it's never good to listen to others as then the fretting and the wringing of hands happens and they tell you not to do things because they can't put it in proper perspective.
So yeah, the consumers should decide. Otherwise "others" will make decisions for you.
I'm sure I could find worse examples but congratulations for perpetuating the stereotype that developers don't need to work for their money for no other reason than "you're having a good time".
Proper perspective is the objective fact that the game's unbalanced, unoptimised, with a box price + sub price + microtransactions, cut content, developers lying to consumers that they've remade the combat when only one class actually has access to it, full of exploits because most of the data is client side etc
I mean some people have fun smearing sh*t all over themselves and that usually warrants a visit to the psychiatrist but who am I judge.
Freedom to Choose and Freedom of Speech are catch phrases lowest common denominators flippantly abuse to pot shot, and attack people and avoid having to deal with the backlash and repercussion of their words and expressions. The same kind of people will tell you how somebody kneeling to protest systemic murder during a national anthem is wrong.
I'd be all for this whole "choice" and "freedom" thing if the people behind the incoming buckets of pig filth that will hit Steam actually believe in them and stood for it across the board. They're NOT. It's going to be the typical cowards who like to hit and hide their hands, hit and call police, or hit and hide behind small print and lawyers.
Gambling and pornography do not have to be mixed in THAT bucket of hateful filth for Steam to profit. Valve could easily re-skin Steam as something separate for gambling and pornography and have the appropriate laws apply (SteamXXX and SteamCasino).
Broad brush strokes is not the answer. It's lazy, and it's an attempt at not being responsible for the media being distributed. So unless they're willing to do SteamPurgeAnarchy and put a stamp on it with marketing and press they can go fuck themselves. If only Steams idea of non-culpability applied to brick and mortar store fronts. How awesome would that be?
TL;DR
I'm going to have to end up deleting Steam and all the games I purchased through them, because I'm salty.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Steam doesn't necessarily need to curate for me, but I do think if they want to be an "Anything Goes" storefront, they need to give me enough tools to curate it for myself.
If those tools show up and are good enough to show me the types of games I want to see (and not throw in my face those that I don't) - I'm fine with that.
But it tentacle hentai starts showing up on my Featured list and I don't have good ways of filtering that out, I'll just walk away.
So, after reading some of the responses here, I have to say this. Do you really want someone else to tell you what you can and cannot play? Are you really calling on Steam or anyone else to make decisions on what games to censor and which ones to allow into the market? Very slippery slope when YOU can't make those decisions on your own and demand someone else make the for you.
I think this is great! Steam is a marketplace not your mommy & daddy. You choose what you want to support and what you don't. How anyone can look at this as a negative is beyond me.
Obviously, it is beyond you.
It is pretty simple really, this means anyone can create a cash grab, or any other piece of junk grab your money and run with no repercussions.
As far as Valve "not being mommy or daddy" you are correct, they are not nor have they ever been a security blanket, however, that point is far from being pertinent in this conversation. The real point is as @Cheyane pointed out this is a cash grab/CYA situation instead of doing the right thing.
Definitely not a good turn of events, however, I do hope all the other game hosting sites do take advantage. Steam/Valve has been around too long as it is, and it is definitely time for a new sheriff. I have, for a long time now, been disenchanted with Valve over various policies and changes hopefully this is the beginning of the end for them or at least the opportunity for another service to rise in their place.
I don't care if anyone makes a cash grab if someone wants to pay for it who gives a flying fuck? If you don't like it don't buy it, it is simple as that. I don't understand the mentality of if I don't like it, it can't exist!
I'm sorry you feel like you need to be shepard in life. Now be a good little sheep and join the herd.
Oh wow...you assume So much here I am not sure I should even entertain this conversation.
Ok.
1. I have never fallen victim to a scam, nor do I buy anything I do not like. I am speaking of the total lack of accountability that is being built into this system. Get it? I am not speaking to my own experiences here, I am speaking to the moral issue of allowing this type of behavior to take place.
Also, your very weak point about cash grabs, you obviously still have no clue what this conversation is about. You try (laughably) to insult me with your sheep comment, yet with every sentence, you prove how ignorant you are about the topic.
Stop taking things personally and projecting your weakness on me. There are plenty of things in this world I do not like yet I leave it be as other people do enjoy them.
As a side note, Hashbrick, talk about being a sheep. Is it still edgy where you live to talk about drugs? Lol my state has legalized recreational cannabis, you are about as edgy as a mop handle. Lol join the herd, why so I can be near you? No, thanks.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.
Can't wait to see:
Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
All Jews Must Die
Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
Border Patrol Online
She Begged For It III
This will deff happen.
We have groups that stand the freedom of speech and ideals and so forth to openly support things that the vast majority would consider despicable, so if Valve drops standards to allow games there independent of content as long it's not illegal and so...
...then I don't think anything will stop the usage of a platform to publish games that would easily fall on pushing extreme political ideologies into a widespread gaming platform as Steam is, a side of just offensive stuff that usually aims at religion/race.
For now we see situations such as the school shooting simulator that would fall more on trolling, but I think that certain groups will see this platform without moderation as one opportunity to politicize things, as it's been so common these days.
It will absolutely happen. Anyone that can think KNOWS this will happen. In an already reduced atmosphere of accountability, you take away any shred of accountability, yeah we will see games like this and worse. I hope this ends Steam, I really do, their downhill slide started years ago and I hope this finishes them.
Funny thing is: the people that bitch most about laws and rules, are usually the ones that need laws and rules to survive.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Congratulations! You did it! Its all became possible because of You! Yes, you. Yay!
Sriously? Im kinda new to steam. I know about it only because of my brother. And seeing all this @!&* really confuses me.
Who tf is Valve? Its just small company that made small mediocre games back in days. And because there was no games back then, they have been praised by the kids that still waiting HL3. lolz
WFT is steam?
Why every (like 90%) game must be relesed on it? Why every developers/publishers do that? Seriously alot of people like to hate publishers EA/Trion/Aeriagames etc. because they are greedy, but atleast they are somehow involved. Valve just gets percentage from every game on steam for nothing. LOLZ. They dont even need to make games anymore. And thats why there are bazillion games that looks worse that made for mobiles. Early access , no more regional prices etc.
And their marketplace. Its pure scam. Seriously. AFAIK selling gold or items for real money is illegal. But these simply allow you to sell cards, wallpapers, emoticons, skins for REAL MONEY. And thats ok. How is it possible that stupid pixels cost more than big new game on steam? Also isnt thats the reason why Dota and CSGO so popular?
You seem to be confused in life in general. None of what you said made any shred of sense. It's probably your age and ignorance more than anything.
Valve is a multi-billion dollar company that has produced the mostbelovedFPSofalltime and following that the most successful digital platform of all time.
Steam is a marketplace owned by Valve to buy licenses to digital games that appear in your library and allow you to play them limitless under the umbrella of Steam's DRM system.
The trading card system/skin system under steam is used to gain Steam Dollars, Steam Dollars is equal to the US Dollar, but is not exchangeable for "real money". To make "real money" you need to use a third party to cash out. So they are perfectly legal to operate the way they have been.
Anything has a value in life, if people pay for that value then it becomes a product. Skins are popular and people are willing to pay that's how it is possible.
Do a bit of research into economics, I think it might help you.
That's debatable; Half Life was good, but Marathon was more beloved by me.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
"Dude, don't buy that game Bless, it failed 3 other launches, it'll do the same here"
"Nah man, it's going to be alright" Bless Online happens
yeah, and I'm having a good time for what it is.
That's why it's never good to listen to others as then the fretting and the wringing of hands happens and they tell you not to do things because they can't put it in proper perspective.
So yeah, the consumers should decide. Otherwise "others" will make decisions for you.
I'm sure I could find worse examples but congratulations for perpetuating the stereotype that developers don't need to work for their money for no other reason than "you're having a good time".
Proper perspective is the objective fact that the game's unbalanced, unoptimised, with a box price + sub price + microtransactions, cut content, developers lying to consumers that they've remade the combat when only one class actually has access to it, full of exploits because most of the data is client side etc
I mean some people have fun smearing sh*t all over themselves and that usually warrants a visit to the psychiatrist but who am I judge.
We're not a club and I don't need to support the party line. Also "I" can keep things in perspective and enjoy myself when I can and move on when I don't.
If I were to rely upon the "good taste" of every gamer I wouldn't ever use Steam, wouldn't be interested in Pantheon because "omg look at the animations and it's so EQ and does nothing new" wouldn't at least drop in to Elder Scrolls Online because "it's not an Elder Scrolls game", Wouldn't be playing World of Warcraft, Would be playing World of Warcraft and would run to the forums expressing my nerd distaste at every little thing that someone considered a game slight.
What can I say, I come from sterner stuff and an era where a dot flying across the screen was considered absolutely amazing. I haven't been jaded yet and thankfully I most likely never will.
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"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
People can push whatever agenda they want, if people listen that is on them, you aren't saving the world by stopping them. Why must you feel like there needs to be a white knight protecting everyone from everything? Protection leads to government influence and agendas, it does nothing for anyone except takes choice away and mandates it with a law that every good citizen should abide to.
Without getting into a whole political argument cause that's not what this is, I'll just say there is two sides to this coin, one is complete freedom of choice and the other is regulation. Why would you ever want to be tied down? Unless you are into that sort of thing, no judgement here. If you like getting cucked by outside influences that's your thing and that's great.
Is the 2hr refund policy 2hrs of playtime or 2hrs from purchase?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
This is the same with games. The problem isn't that "people need to be shepherded" it's that people need to be taught.
Seeing a game that reinforces bigotry and racism in a very real world, current day sense is a problem. Even without media like games enabling the worst of society to reach out and spread propaganda and hate at the expense of others there is a very big problem, one that any generation should easily be able to see.
I think there are a lot of people out there that are easily offended over nothing, a show with a race cast differently, an ad spot for an alarm company, and then there is an undercurrent of "jokes" with no cultural understanding from much of the population which strays into the problems of "racism is okay" because they think its funny.
Steam taking a step back to let whatever on their service isn't about shepherding people to make up their minds, it's allowing a platform for the worst of us to find and spread hate.
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I'm not sure why should Steam be some sort of eBay, where we need to play by self-research and trust when buying something.
I can ignore, but I consider a gaming platform that is the main store where a lot of kids buy games, it is not fair to have them exposed to stuff that either political agendas, overly offensive, and so forth just because the shop wants no responsibility over what they are selling.
I wouldn't be bothered by that at all if the customer base of Steam was made of adults, my same feelings towards selling loot boxes.
But a side of that, washing hands of responsibility to me will allow things like racism to run free and create a huge mess within the community itself, because well, it is not illegal so it's fine logic, but to me it's not fine either way and a gaming community as Steam with its exposure and amount of children part of it, shouldn't be exposed to this and needs to be more controlled.
serious waht is the real issue on steam selling any kind of game? crap games they already sell, so waht is the point on these complains? of a bussiness, who the sole idea is make money to hold people hands telling then what they should or shouldn't do, I already have to deal with the goverment trying to manipulate me in thinking everything they do is for me, I don't need more people doing so
You misunderstand if you think it's about a freedom to choose or a freedom to think. It's about giving a platform to people who wish to change the perceptions of those that are young and impressionable through a specified medium such as gaming.
Your first mistake is thinking that everyone is only influenced by their own ideas. Every idea, even hateful ones have already been thought of, and are pushed out daily by those with an agenda, and Steam being a platform for those agendas as a rally point would be like allowing microsofts AI twitter bot to go on posting racist tweets. Had microsoft thrown up their hands, shrugged it off and said, "Thats the internet for you!" and let it keep on posting, despite millions of people utilizing microsoft products in their daily live - they all should just "not read the tweets" and be okay with it?
It's unfortunate that you have issues with your government telling you what you should think or do, and whether you believe what they say or not is on you, but if your response to that is to allow hateful messages and communities that intend to rally over causes meant to demean, diminish and harm others as your go-to response, your notion of "freedom" is sorely misguided.
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To that I say, why does Steam become the parent? If you are a kid on the platform it is your parent's responsibility to know what you are doing and be open with discussions. The parents that close themselves off, don't teach or explain things in life are the ones doing a dis-service to their kid. It is why things like safe spaces have become acceptable, because they don't know how to handle their feelings since no one brought them up correctly to begin with.
Racism and bigotry is sadly part of life, I'm not going to tell someone they can't be racist or sexist or anything like. Because in the end they will feel what they feel, their values is different than yours and mine, their lifestyle is different than yours or mine, their experiences are different than yours or mine. To hide that or shuffle it under the rug like it doesn't exist is an odd form of censorship.
It happens, it will continue to happen and it is part of life and something everyone has to deal with in their own way.
Again policing a platform does not make it go away, it just fuels the flames.
These aren't works of art, they are consumer products.
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But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
I'd be all for this whole "choice" and "freedom" thing if the people behind the incoming buckets of pig filth that will hit Steam actually believe in them and stood for it across the board. They're NOT. It's going to be the typical cowards who like to hit and hide their hands, hit and call police, or hit and hide behind small print and lawyers.
Gambling and pornography do not have to be mixed in THAT bucket of hateful filth for Steam to profit. Valve could easily re-skin Steam as something separate for gambling and pornography and have the appropriate laws apply (SteamXXX and SteamCasino).
Broad brush strokes is not the answer. It's lazy, and it's an attempt at not being responsible for the media being distributed. So unless they're willing to do SteamPurgeAnarchy and put a stamp on it with marketing and press they can go fuck themselves. If only Steams idea of non-culpability applied to brick and mortar store fronts. How awesome would that be?
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I'm going to have to end up deleting Steam and all the games I purchased through them, because I'm salty.
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Steam doesn't necessarily need to curate for me, but I do think if they want to be an "Anything Goes" storefront, they need to give me enough tools to curate it for myself.
If those tools show up and are good enough to show me the types of games I want to see (and not throw in my face those that I don't) - I'm fine with that.
But it tentacle hentai starts showing up on my Featured list and I don't have good ways of filtering that out, I'll just walk away.
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1. I have never fallen victim to a scam, nor do I buy anything I do not like. I am speaking of the total lack of accountability that is being built into this system. Get it? I am not speaking to my own experiences here, I am speaking to the moral issue of allowing this type of behavior to take place.
Also, your very weak point about cash grabs, you obviously still have no clue what this conversation is about. You try (laughably) to insult me with your sheep comment, yet with every sentence, you prove how ignorant you are about the topic.
Stop taking things personally and projecting your weakness on me. There are plenty of things in this world I do not like yet I leave it be as other people do enjoy them.
As a side note, Hashbrick, talk about being a sheep. Is it still edgy where you live to talk about drugs? Lol my state has legalized recreational cannabis, you are about as edgy as a mop handle. Lol join the herd, why so I can be near you? No, thanks.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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Funny thing is: the people that bitch most about laws and rules, are usually the ones that need laws and rules to survive.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
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