I have over 200 games on steam and have never had a problem with them ,they provide a good service and im sure they make a tidy profit which is the point of 99% of companies is it not .I am quite capable of sorting out the rubbish from the decent stuff if i like the look of a game ill check it out on youtube i rarely buy a game that has less than a hundred reviews from which its fairly easy to pick out the honest reviews from the haters or fanboys on top of that you do have the 2hr playtime refund policy which i think is easily enough time to decide if you like the game or not .There is a lot of junk on steam and their new policy will let a load more on but just do your homework on a game and your be fine if you make a mistake refund it simples
I stopped trying to find hidden gems on steam. They have no way to filter or sensibly narrow down searches to only games I am interested in. Their current definition of rpg is "game on steam." Developers looking for the broadest exposer possible should be allowed to select genre, and 10 year olds with more time than sense shouldn't be allowed to mess with labels. They need far, far more sensible and useful labels, far more filters, and far more tools for users. I have almost 400 games on steam, and would probably have 425 or so if I had bothered trying to find games I would be willing to try - but I'm not wasting my time going through pages and pages of games I should be able to easily eliminate because I have zero interest in them.
Good. Knowing what was going on and why Steam made this decision.
This all was because of the porno/hentai games that some SJW people were trying to heavily campaign against on Steam. They were trying to have steam remove ALL hentai games on Steam and even getting paypal involved. They obviously lost big, and lost big time.
The backlash on Steam was pretty big for the people who do like those kind of hentai games (or those that want a CHOICE in the games they buy and not be dictated what they can and can't play) and they were obviously victorious in all this.
Like, don't buy those games if you don't want them lol. Some of these people that were for removing the hentai games acted like someone was holding a gun to their head and forcing them to buy them rofl. Just ignore them and don't buy them lol. I'm glad they lost the battle, and it was a great victory for the other side.
I agree with Steam that people should have a CHOICE to buy the game or not. Don't buy a game if it looks like crap lol. I think pubg and fortnite are crap, but I'm not gonna go around trolling people that like it. I have a choice to completely ignore those two games and anything similar lol.
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No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
No, they aren't classifying PB&J as racist. Stop fear-mongering:
The SJW bullshit continues. A fan-favorite scapegoat.
I'm aside of the SJW on the game itself, more focused on Valve's inaction against crooks exploiting their platform that are being able to both get people to buy and play and once they become shielded by Steam's policy (the inability to refund it for example) and that's it.
And the fact not controlling standards minimally opens the platform for things that are going to be exposed to a platform with likely dozens of millions of active children and that should not treat its contents so superficially.
The SJW bullshit continues. A fan-favorite scapegoat.
I'm aside of the SJW on the game itself, more focused on Valve's inaction against crooks exploiting their platform that are being able to both get people to buy and play and once they become shielded by Steam's policy (the inability to refund it for example) and that's it.
And the fact not controlling standards minimally opens the platform for things that are going to be exposed to a platform with likely dozens of millions of active children and that should not treat its contents so superficially.
My concern is far more geared towards the lack of QA than anything else, too. But somehow, quality assurance got twisted into mind control SJW scapegoating. How the fuck that happened, I don't know.
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
Wrong, that would be Portland, Oregon, although we share a border we are separate states. If you are going to pontificate on, well BS, then at lease cite the proper BS.
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
Wrong, that would be Portland, Oregon, although we share a border we are separate states. If you are going to pontificate on, well BS, then at lease cite the proper BS.
The saddest part is the original outlet that started the nonsense, when approached by Politifact to explain how the fuck any rational person could extrapolate that into racist sandwiches, stood by their original article. /Facepalm
My concern is far more geared towards the lack of QA than anything else, too. But somehow, quality assurance got twisted into mind control SJW scapegoating. How the fuck that happened, I don't know.
QA is another of its biggest problems, and not a new one.
Valve pisses off a lot of people, just see Early Access, washed hands of all responsibility and then with games getting abandoned, and some scams happening on the platform, when it happens people just rather go in disbelief on why are devs who do that so shielded by their policies, what completely cuts the credibility and trust of the program because of those few and their inaction.
But QA is necessary, games like that stupid "school shooting simulator" should not even get to reach the store and should not need a community outcry to be removed. This direction seems to going to just damn the trust people have on its contents and the reputation overall of the platform.
It's like Steam plans to be the eBay of games where we need to do self-research and trust the seller when buying something.
My concern is far more geared towards the lack of QA than anything else, too. But somehow, quality assurance got twisted into mind control SJW scapegoating. How the fuck that happened, I don't know.
QA is another of its biggest problems, and not a new one.
Valve pisses off a lot of people, just see Early Access, washed hands of all responsibility and then with games getting abandoned, and some scams happening on the platform, when it happens people just rather go in disbelief on why are devs who do that so shielded by their policies, what completely cuts the credibility and trust of the program because of those few and their inaction.
But QA is necessary, games like that stupid "school shooting simulator" should not even get to reach the store and should not need a community outcry to be removed. This direction seems to going to just damn the trust people have on its contents and the reputation overall of the platform.
It's like Steam plans to be the eBay of games where we need to do self-research and trust the seller when buying something.
That's not a bad analogy at all. Only, as far as I know, Valve doesn't even have a system for attaching a review to the dev, only the title. So devs can throw out shit, abandon it, throw out more shit and the customer has to actually remember that same dev was responsible for the last title (which they may or may not have even heard of).
IKR? Even from a pure business point of view it seems to me like they're opening the door for someone else to step in and offer the exclusivity of thoughtfully curated quality games only.
It's like Steam is going Walmart.
Lets be real here. Steam hasn't been selling exclusively quality games for years now. Ever since the dawn of early access its been a shit show. But at least then it had the early access label that said "Warning this might be a piece of crap".
IKR? Even from a pure business point of view it seems to me like they're opening the door for someone else to step in and offer the exclusivity of thoughtfully curated quality games only.
It's like Steam is going Walmart.
Lets be real here. Steam hasn't been selling exclusively quality games for years now. Ever since the dawn of early access its been a shit show. But at least then it had the early access label that said "Warning this might be a piece of crap".
Now whatever will we do?
Not buy the games that you think are crap but others might like?
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No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
No, they aren't classifying PB&J as racist. Stop fear-mongering:
And on and on. Just admit it, this isn't a "for the children" problem, this is a "I don't have control of what those people are thinking" problem. Thoughts and Beliefs that have been around long before video games.
That's not a bad analogy at all. Only, as far as I know, Valve doesn't even have a system for attaching a review to the dev, only the title. So devs can throw out shit, abandon it, throw out more shit and the customer has to actually remember that same dev was responsible for the last title (which they may or may not have even heard of).
I heard that took, that a dev can do a cashgrab, abandons it, and is free to do it again, now that reality is shameful for Valve but they don't care because they are making money either way, gg...
I mean this is one opportunity for competitors to catch up and start focusing on bullet points that people have been complaining about, if so starting to loose this "monopoly" might be the only way they'll wake up to the fact today's Steam is a shadow of the quality standards they had a few years ago. Who knooowws what will go on from this hm
I will just simply ignore anything I don't like or want to play. Simple as that, not sure why you can't do the same?
People can push whatever agenda they want, if people listen that is on them, you aren't saving the world by stopping them. Why must you feel like there needs to be a white knight protecting everyone from everything? Protection leads to government influence and agendas, it does nothing for anyone except takes choice away and mandates it with a law that every good citizen should abide to.
Without getting into a whole political argument cause that's not what this is, I'll just say there is two sides to this coin, one is complete freedom of choice and the other is regulation. Why would you ever want to be tied down? Unless you are into that sort of thing, no judgement here. If you like getting cucked by outside influences that's your thing and that's great.
I can ignore, but I consider a gaming platform that is the main store where a lot of kids buy games, it is not fair to have them exposed to stuff that either political agendas, overly offensive, and so forth just because the shop wants no responsibility over what they are selling.
I wouldn't be bothered by that at all if the customer base of Steam was made of adults, my same feelings towards selling loot boxes.
But a side of that, washing hands of responsibility to me will allow things like racism to run free and create a huge mess within the community itself, because well, it is not illegal so it's fine logic, but to me it's not fine either way and a gaming community as Steam with its exposure and amount of children part of it, shouldn't be exposed to this and needs to be more controlled.
To that I say, why does Steam become the parent? If you are a kid on the platform it is your parent's responsibility to know what you are doing and be open with discussions. The parents that close themselves off, don't teach or explain things in life are the ones doing a dis-service to their kid. It is why things like safe spaces have become acceptable, because they don't know how to handle their feelings since no one brought them up correctly to begin with.
Racism and bigotry is sadly part of life, I'm not going to tell someone they can't be racist or sexist or anything like. Because in the end they will feel what they feel, their values is different than yours and mine, their lifestyle is different than yours or mine, their experiences are different than yours or mine. To hide that or shuffle it under the rug like it doesn't exist is an odd form of censorship.
It happens, it will continue to happen and it is part of life and something everyone has to deal with in their own way.
Again policing a platform does not make it go away, it just fuels the flames.
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Its action - reaction. Do you have an issue with educational institutes being indoctrination camps? Or if the indoctrinated cultists on campuses using violence to shut down speech and ideas that go against cult ideology? I'm sure you love racism when it aligns with cult rhetoric, like white privilege or the tons of numerous, years long examples of college professors saying extremely racist nonsense and wishing violence on whites and they get applauded for it and keep their jobs?
Racism is racism. People should be judged by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin. Anyone who makes ridiculous, grand statements about whites, blacks, or anyone is a racist idiot. Skin hue does not matter. And I'm half black. If I could I would take away peoples free speech rights and make it illegal for anyone to ever mention skin color or any other superficial aspects of people they have no (or very limited) control of, because obviously people are mature enough to not believe in magic (since skin hue has no magical effect on if you are evil or bad or anything, since magic isn't real). What is really scary is the open and ridiculously overt racism I see reported on (but ignored by the MSM) on US campuses regarding Jews. The same Jew hate can be seen by leftists in most articles related to Israel.
After years of people (especially whites) having to put up with openly accepted racism and selected outrage for only racism the leftists say they are against, now they are speaking up and fighting back. In equally ridiculous and stupid ways. Action - reaction.
Its getting really tiring of hateful people calling the other side hateful. Action - reaction. Hate begets hate. Either advocate for people to stop all hate, or stop pretending your side's hate is righteous.
Hate is bad. Not listening to people's valid gripes is bad. Acting like a cultist and deeming anyone who disagrees with your ideas are bad and evil is authoritarianism. Wanting laws that control speech and how people think and behave because you know what is best for everyone and if you just attack and destroy everything that presents a different point of view is totalitarianism.
Both sides need to stop hating and start listening or at least stop fueling the hate. Actions have reactions and it seems everyone seems hell bent on pushing and pushing until there is a war.
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
No, they aren't classifying PB&J as racist. Stop fear-mongering:
And on and on. Just admit it, this isn't a "for the children" problem, this is a "I don't have control of what those people are thinking" problem. Thoughts and Beliefs that have been around long before video games.
Dude, the article cited (Mic.com) ran it after reading white supremacists talk about white folks having higher lactose tolerance due to their superior genetics and highlighting themselves drinking it in a propaganda video. They weren't labeling it racist, the original party that associated it with racial identity were fucking Neo-Nazis, they merely reported on Neo-Nazi groups using it as a symbol for white supremacy.
The other cited "news outlet" was a fucking college paper staffer. That's some heavy reporting, Mr. Deepthroat!
Then you have a Mother Jones quotation that never mentions milk specifically, and the damn Times didn't even properly cite the Jones article they're quoting. Context: the propaganda killer. EDIT- Not only that, but Mother Jones was "leaning in" on an argument, the Times claims, that wasn't even made until roughly 11 months after the Jones article they claim to be quoting. Holy inconsistent timelines, Batman!
The last is Mr. Peele, who I'm sure was being super duper serious (and not tongue in cheek at all!) with a quote like this: “There’s something kind of horrific about milk,” Mr. Peele told the Times. “Think about it! Think about what we’re doing. Milk is kind of gross.”
EDIT- Also, if you read the LA Times interview with Peele, he had no knowledge of the milk as a symbol of white supremacy by that 4chan group until AFTER the movie was made. He must be psychic! Your article conveniently leaves out Peele's own explanation of why he included milk: "As for the reasoning behind "Get Out's" creepy milk reveal, Williams and Peele envisioned the villain Rose as an emotionally stunted woman with the mentality of a teenager, Williams told The Times (hence the music choice)." He even jokes with the LA Times about how he included it for unrelated reasons then, afterwards, Neo-Nazi groups used it, making the scene in his movie even more haunting.
That Washington Times Peele quote, though; it just oozes SJW propaganda! Or maybe, he thinks it's hilariously gross to drink tit-discharge from a fucking cow.
Now that we've established how susceptible most Americans are to media spin (thanks for being our example!), can we get back to the topic at hand? Namely, Valve's recent statement?
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Its action - reaction. Do you have an issue with educational institutes being indoctrination camps? Or if the indoctrinated cultists on campuses using violence to shut down speech and ideas that go against cult ideology? I'm sure you love racism when it aligns with cult rhetoric, like white privilege or the tons of numerous, years long examples of college professors saying extremely racist nonsense and wishing violence on whites and they get applauded for it and keep their jobs?
Racism is racism. People should be judged by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin. Anyone who makes ridiculous, grand statements about whites, blacks, or anyone is a racist idiot. Skin hue does not matter. And I'm half black. If I could I would take away peoples free speech rights and make it illegal for anyone to ever mention skin color or any other superficial aspects of people they have no (or very limited) control of, because obviously people are mature enough to not believe in magic (since skin hue has no magical effect on if you are evil or bad or anything, since magic isn't real). What is really scary is the open and ridiculously overt racism I see reported on (but ignored by the MSM) on US campuses regarding Jews. The same Jew hate can be seen by leftists in most articles related to Israel.
After years of people (especially whites) having to put up with openly accepted racism and selected outrage for only racism the leftists say they are against, now they are speaking up and fighting back. In equally ridiculous and stupid ways. Action - reaction.
Its getting really tiring of hateful people calling the other side hateful. Action - reaction. Hate begets hate. Either advocate for people to stop all hate, or stop pretending your side's hate is righteous.
Hate is bad. Not listening to people's valid gripes is bad. Acting like a cultist and deeming anyone who disagrees with your ideas are bad and evil is authoritarianism. Wanting laws that control speech and how people think and behave because you know what is best for everyone and if you just attack and destroy everything that presents a different point of view is totalitarianism.
Both sides need to stop hating and start listening or at least stop fueling the hate. Actions have reactions and it seems everyone seems hell bent on pushing and pushing until there is a war.
Do you think educational institutions are indoctrination camps?
I mean, I encountered all sorts of opinions I didn't agree with in high school especially but thankfully I had learned critical thinking and when I got to college and beyond I picked up some useful skills like calculus and how to read a balance sheet. It also sparked a lifelong passion (thus far) for geophysical science which I never knew I had.
I don't need to live in a bubble. I'm not afraid to examine and reject ridiculous ideas and repulsive opinions. They can't harm me in nearly the same way as my own complacency has the potential to.
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No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
No, they aren't classifying PB&J as racist. Stop fear-mongering:
And on and on. Just admit it, this isn't a "for the children" problem, this is a "I don't have control of what those people are thinking" problem. Thoughts and Beliefs that have been around long before video games.
Dude, the article cited (Mic.com) ran it after reading white supremacists talk about white folks having higher lactose tolerance due to their superior genetics and highlighting themselves drinking it in a propaganda video. They weren't labeling it racist, the original party that associated it with racial identity were fucking Neo-Nazis, they merely reported on Neo-Nazi groups using it as a symbol for white supremacy.
The other cited "news outlet" was a fucking college paper staffer. That's some heavy reporting, Mr. Deepthroat!
Then you have a Mother Jones quotation that never mentions milk specifically, and the damn Times didn't even properly cite the Jones article they're quoting. Context: the propaganda killer.
The last is Mr. Peele, who I'm sure was being super duper serious (and not tongue in cheek at all!) with a quote like this: “There’s something kind of horrific about milk,” Mr. Peele told the Times. “Think about it! Think about what we’re doing. Milk is kind of gross.”
That quote just oozes SJW propaganda! Or maybe, he thinks it's hilariously gross to drink tit-discharge from a fucking cow.
Now that we've established how susceptible most Americans are to media spin (thanks for being our example!), can we get back to the topic at hand? Namely, Valve's recent statement?
Then address what I have said instead of defending bullshit charges of racism. Or are you in agreement with the rest that I have stated?
Oh ffs. You guys are going to turn even this thread into yet another mentally underpowered political debate?
Inb4 the lock.
First it was supposedly about concern for game quality, a problem of which the entire industry shares the blame, not just Steam. Compounded by the fact that a large portion of game consumers will buy any old shit in their desperate quest to stave off boredom, and then feel this gives them the right to complain endlessly about what is in reality their own cupidity.
And then when the game quality argument was quashed by the counter argument that the change is about game type censorship and not game quality, Max Bacon decided to move the goal posts and kamikaze the thread by bring in his nonsense "School Shooter Game" argument. Which I feel shows that the whole outrage is really just a continuation of Steam hate by any means possible, using any absurd imaginary scenario to paint them in the darkest light possible. That's where the blame starts, don't yell at the rest of us.
So... to summarize, you're saying the little pig started it? Good to know. Now all of you go to your fucking rooms
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No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Well, they did ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in Washington State Public Schools for being racist. So I'm happy you guys are on top of these things.
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
No, they aren't classifying PB&J as racist. Stop fear-mongering:
And on and on. Just admit it, this isn't a "for the children" problem, this is a "I don't have control of what those people are thinking" problem. Thoughts and Beliefs that have been around long before video games.
Dude, the article cited (Mic.com) ran it after reading white supremacists talk about white folks having higher lactose tolerance due to their superior genetics and highlighting themselves drinking it in a propaganda video. They weren't labeling it racist, the original party that associated it with racial identity were fucking Neo-Nazis, they merely reported on Neo-Nazi groups using it as a symbol for white supremacy.
The other cited "news outlet" was a fucking college paper staffer. That's some heavy reporting, Mr. Deepthroat!
Then you have a Mother Jones quotation that never mentions milk specifically, and the damn Times didn't even properly cite the Jones article they're quoting. Context: the propaganda killer.
The last is Mr. Peele, who I'm sure was being super duper serious (and not tongue in cheek at all!) with a quote like this: “There’s something kind of horrific about milk,” Mr. Peele told the Times. “Think about it! Think about what we’re doing. Milk is kind of gross.”
That quote just oozes SJW propaganda! Or maybe, he thinks it's hilariously gross to drink tit-discharge from a fucking cow.
Now that we've established how susceptible most Americans are to media spin (thanks for being our example!), can we get back to the topic at hand? Namely, Valve's recent statement?
Then address what I have said instead of defending bullshit charges of racism. Or are you in agreement with the rest that I have stated?
Lol, my position is neither "for the children" or "mind-control, bitches!" and I think trying to reduce this situation down to that is asinine. Valve has basically pulled a Pontius Pilate and washed their hands of responsibility for shit that makes it into their store. Considering that, before this, there was already utter, scammy bullshit on the store, and one might think this would be one helluva easy topic for gamers to get on board together in opposing, no matter the underlying political leanings.
To that I say, why does Steam become the parent? If you are a kid on the platform it is your parent's responsibility to know what you are doing and be open with discussions. The parents that close themselves off, don't teach or explain things in life are the ones doing a dis-service to their kid. It is why things like safe spaces have become acceptable, because they don't know how to handle their feelings since no one brought them up correctly to begin with.
Racism and bigotry is sadly part of life, I'm not going to tell someone they can't be racist or sexist or anything like. Because in the end they will feel what they feel, their values is different than yours and mine, their lifestyle is different than yours or mine, their experiences are different than yours or mine. To hide that or shuffle it under the rug like it doesn't exist is an odd form of censorship.
It happens, it will continue to happen and it is part of life and something everyone has to deal with in their own way.
Again policing a platform does not make it go away, it just fuels the flames.
No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.
But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences.
Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay. You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?
All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers. Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
Its action - reaction. Do you have an issue with educational institutes being indoctrination camps? Or if the indoctrinated cultists on campuses using violence to shut down speech and ideas that go against cult ideology? I'm sure you love racism when it aligns with cult rhetoric, like white privilege or the tons of numerous, years long examples of college professors saying extremely racist nonsense and wishing violence on whites and they get applauded for it and keep their jobs?
Racism is racism. People should be judged by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin. Anyone who makes ridiculous, grand statements about whites, blacks, or anyone is a racist idiot. Skin hue does not matter. And I'm half black. If I could I would take away peoples free speech rights and make it illegal for anyone to ever mention skin color or any other superficial aspects of people they have no (or very limited) control of, because obviously people are mature enough to not believe in magic (since skin hue has no magical effect on if you are evil or bad or anything, since magic isn't real). What is really scary is the open and ridiculously overt racism I see reported on (but ignored by the MSM) on US campuses regarding Jews. The same Jew hate can be seen by leftists in most articles related to Israel.
After years of people (especially whites) having to put up with openly accepted racism and selected outrage for only racism the leftists say they are against, now they are speaking up and fighting back. In equally ridiculous and stupid ways. Action - reaction.
Its getting really tiring of hateful people calling the other side hateful. Action - reaction. Hate begets hate. Either advocate for people to stop all hate, or stop pretending your side's hate is righteous.
Hate is bad. Not listening to people's valid gripes is bad. Acting like a cultist and deeming anyone who disagrees with your ideas are bad and evil is authoritarianism. Wanting laws that control speech and how people think and behave because you know what is best for everyone and if you just attack and destroy everything that presents a different point of view is totalitarianism.
Both sides need to stop hating and start listening or at least stop fueling the hate. Actions have reactions and it seems everyone seems hell bent on pushing and pushing until there is a war.
Quite literally I am against hate speech of all kinds, and nothing in any thing I wrote vilifies one while denigrating the other. Your post also doesn't mention anything about giving platforms to people who aren't TALKING ABOUT RACE - BUT ATTACKING IT.
We're not talking about a "white people make this noise, black people make this noise" jokes. Anyone that thinks my profession of disagreeing with valves point of "no colors, no difference" is mistaken.
Hating someone for the color of their skin and giving a voice to ideas of hate of ANY KIND shouldn't be valued by a company, shouldn't be allowed to influence the impressionable and shouldn't have a place at all. We have history lesson after history lesson of racial bias, forced indoctrinations and societal cleansings and yet, this all still exists because of some backwoods inferiority complex by one side or another that just can't give up the premise that someone is better than someone else because of how they look or what they believe.
You can't have it both ways, you can't say "nobody should hate anybody" yet say "I believe hate speech should be protected". There is no good use for inciting violence against someone else. Full Stop.
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This all was because of the porno/hentai games that some SJW people were trying to heavily campaign against on Steam. They were trying to have steam remove ALL hentai games on Steam and even getting paypal involved. They obviously lost big, and lost big time.
The backlash on Steam was pretty big for the people who do like those kind of hentai games (or those that want a CHOICE in the games they buy and not be dictated what they can and can't play) and they were obviously victorious in all this.
Like, don't buy those games if you don't want them lol. Some of these people that were for removing the hentai games acted like someone was holding a gun to their head and forcing them to buy them rofl. Just ignore them and don't buy them lol. I'm glad they lost the battle, and it was a great victory for the other side.
I agree with Steam that people should have a CHOICE to buy the game or not. Don't buy a game if it looks like crap lol. I think pubg and fortnite are crap, but I'm not gonna go around trolling people that like it. I have a choice to completely ignore those two games and anything similar lol.
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
Every comment you have made so far has been for thought control. Your concerns over "wrong thoughts and ideas". I'm not sure if you understand this or not, but people have developed beliefs about religions and race, long before the aid of video games.
What is your next step? Hide black people from Whites? lol How are you going to pull that off? Camps? Which group or will it be all of us?
http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2012/sep/18/education-action-group/portland-schools-spending-half-million-dollars-dec/
And stop getting your news from Breitbart.
And the fact not controlling standards minimally opens the platform for things that are going to be exposed to a platform with likely dozens of millions of active children and that should not treat its contents so superficially.
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If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Valve pisses off a lot of people, just see Early Access, washed hands of all responsibility and then with games getting abandoned, and some scams happening on the platform, when it happens people just rather go in disbelief on why are devs who do that so shielded by their policies, what completely cuts the credibility and trust of the program because of those few and their inaction.
But QA is necessary, games like that stupid "school shooting simulator" should not even get to reach the store and should not need a community outcry to be removed. This direction seems to going to just damn the trust people have on its contents and the reputation overall of the platform.
It's like Steam plans to be the eBay of games where we need to do self-research and trust the seller when buying something.
Ever since the dawn of early access its been a shit show.
But at least then it had the early access label that said "Warning this might be a piece of crap".
Now whatever will we do?
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/17/milk-new-symbol-racism-donald-trumps-america/
And on and on. Just admit it, this isn't a "for the children" problem, this is a "I don't have control of what those people are thinking" problem. Thoughts and Beliefs that have been around long before video games.
I mean this is one opportunity for competitors to catch up and start focusing on bullet points that people have been complaining about, if so starting to loose this "monopoly" might be the only way they'll wake up to the fact today's Steam is a shadow of the quality standards they had a few years ago. Who knooowws what will go on from this hm
Racism is racism. People should be judged by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin. Anyone who makes ridiculous, grand statements about whites, blacks, or anyone is a racist idiot. Skin hue does not matter. And I'm half black. If I could I would take away peoples free speech rights and make it illegal for anyone to ever mention skin color or any other superficial aspects of people they have no (or very limited) control of, because obviously people are mature enough to not believe in magic (since skin hue has no magical effect on if you are evil or bad or anything, since magic isn't real). What is really scary is the open and ridiculously overt racism I see reported on (but ignored by the MSM) on US campuses regarding Jews. The same Jew hate can be seen by leftists in most articles related to Israel.
After years of people (especially whites) having to put up with openly accepted racism and selected outrage for only racism the leftists say they are against, now they are speaking up and fighting back. In equally ridiculous and stupid ways. Action - reaction.
Its getting really tiring of hateful people calling the other side hateful. Action - reaction. Hate begets hate. Either advocate for people to stop all hate, or stop pretending your side's hate is righteous.
Hate is bad. Not listening to people's valid gripes is bad. Acting like a cultist and deeming anyone who disagrees with your ideas are bad and evil is authoritarianism. Wanting laws that control speech and how people think and behave because you know what is best for everyone and if you just attack and destroy everything that presents a different point of view is totalitarianism.
Both sides need to stop hating and start listening or at least stop fueling the hate. Actions have reactions and it seems everyone seems hell bent on pushing and pushing until there is a war.
The other cited "news outlet" was a fucking college paper staffer. That's some heavy reporting, Mr. Deepthroat!
Then you have a Mother Jones quotation that never mentions milk specifically, and the damn Times didn't even properly cite the Jones article they're quoting. Context: the propaganda killer. EDIT- Not only that, but Mother Jones was "leaning in" on an argument, the Times claims, that wasn't even made until roughly 11 months after the Jones article they claim to be quoting. Holy inconsistent timelines, Batman!
The last is Mr. Peele, who I'm sure was being super duper serious (and not tongue in cheek at all!) with a quote like this: “There’s something kind of horrific about milk,” Mr. Peele told the Times. “Think about it! Think about what we’re doing. Milk is kind of gross.”
EDIT- Also, if you read the LA Times interview with Peele, he had no knowledge of the milk as a symbol of white supremacy by that 4chan group until AFTER the movie was made. He must be psychic! Your article conveniently leaves out Peele's own explanation of why he included milk: "As for the reasoning behind "Get Out's" creepy milk reveal, Williams and Peele envisioned the villain Rose as an emotionally stunted woman with the mentality of a teenager, Williams told The Times (hence the music choice)." He even jokes with the LA Times about how he included it for unrelated reasons then, afterwards, Neo-Nazi groups used it, making the scene in his movie even more haunting.
That Washington Times Peele quote, though; it just oozes SJW propaganda! Or maybe, he thinks it's hilariously gross to drink tit-discharge from a fucking cow.
Now that we've established how susceptible most Americans are to media spin (thanks for being our example!), can we get back to the topic at hand? Namely, Valve's recent statement?
I mean, I encountered all sorts of opinions I didn't agree with in high school especially but thankfully I had learned critical thinking and when I got to college and beyond I picked up some useful skills like calculus and how to read a balance sheet. It also sparked a lifelong passion (thus far) for geophysical science which I never knew I had.
I don't need to live in a bubble. I'm not afraid to examine and reject ridiculous ideas and repulsive opinions. They can't harm me in nearly the same way as my own complacency has the potential to.
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― CD PROJEKT RED
We're not talking about a "white people make this noise, black people make this noise" jokes. Anyone that thinks my profession of disagreeing with valves point of "no colors, no difference" is mistaken.
Hating someone for the color of their skin and giving a voice to ideas of hate of ANY KIND shouldn't be valued by a company, shouldn't be allowed to influence the impressionable and shouldn't have a place at all. We have history lesson after history lesson of racial bias, forced indoctrinations and societal cleansings and yet, this all still exists because of some backwoods inferiority complex by one side or another that just can't give up the premise that someone is better than someone else because of how they look or what they believe.
You can't have it both ways, you can't say "nobody should hate anybody" yet say "I believe hate speech should be protected". There is no good use for inciting violence against someone else. Full Stop.