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Citizencon Stream is Paywalled

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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    Well that was honest... 

    This have been a good conversation

  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,197
    Of course, me being me, wanted more. 
    Phaserlight

    ..Cake..

  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,531
    Erillion said:
    People used to pay $50 for a computer game.  Now, some spend thousands.  Yes, crowdfunding has been a true blessing to the gaming world.  The fact that the world is full of suckers doesn't mean it's right to take advantage of them.
    You could get SC for as low as 20 bucks. 

    You can voluntarily spend more. But you do not have to. 


    Have fun
    See the part about taking advantage of suckers.
    Nebilim
  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    . In terms of showing off Star Citizen, getting a high quality video up on YouTube is always our top priority.  - Chris Roberts 
    sgel

    I've got the straight edge.

  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said: I
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:

    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    Ironically enough this was recently said by Chris Roberts

    I hate when things are deliberately locked behind a paywall

    What a fucking tool.

    As always you forget to mention context.

    He was talking about gameplay. And after launch the Persistent Universe to our current knowledge has no "things deliberately locked behind a paywall". 


    Have fun

    What about ships exclusive to backers?
    What ships ARE exclusive to backers and will not be available in game once the game has launched ? 

    The Bengal carrier - which is not available for sale anyway (in game and out of game) ? Certain Vanduul ships (if some are captured) ... although there a retro-engineered human variants available for those. 

    Or maybe you mean "Life time insurance". LTI is not a ship. In my opinion insurance is a trivial cost sink anyway. So that would be at best a trivial advantage. Speaking from experience in EVE and E:D - insurance money is spare change. 

    And by the way - the backers ARE those that play this game at the moment :-) There are no others if there is no free fly weekend. 


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    So, you're saying there is incentive to be a backer before the game launches?
    Yes. The incentive is to help create something special. Something that a lot of people have been waiting for for a long time. 


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    Yes,  but they have enough money by now to do That? Yes?  Why keep asking for more?
    According to guestimates posted here about CIGs burn rate they need it.

    My personal estimate is that they have about half a year in reserve (with 500 employees). 


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    Well if they stopped burning money on the bullshit in the list you posted earlier and actually made a video game maybe they wouldn't have to charge most backers for a live stream of their most important event of the year.
    The things I posted in the list are paid for by voluntary community subscribers like me. No development  money is used for that. 


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    Oh.  My bad.  So when you said Cig gives back to the community.....?  That was just a lie?

    --> CIG always provided community content. Voluntary community subscribers enable them to offer more and better things. So : No. Not a lie. 

    --> Have fun
    No.  The initiation of this entire back and forth was you saying cig does a lot for the community.  Now you're saying they provide ways for the community to give.  So which is It? 
    Nebilim

    I've got the straight edge.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    So ... a mixed strategy of live streaming of some parts free for all and some parts for subscribers. 

    And everything for free in HD shortly afterwards on YouTube. 

    And he is talking about all the immediate  low quality secondary non-CIG website re-streaming .... who would have guessed ;-) 


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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    >>  So which is It? >>>

    Scroll upthread. You already got your answer. 


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  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    edited August 2018
    Erillion said:
    >>  So which is It? >>>

    Scroll upthread. You already got your answer. 


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    No I didn't.  that's why I asked.  So....what does cig do for the community without asking for money?
    Nebilim

    I've got the straight edge.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    Erillion said:
    People used to pay $50 for a computer game.  Now, some spend thousands.  Yes, crowdfunding has been a true blessing to the gaming world.  The fact that the world is full of suckers doesn't mean it's right to take advantage of them.
    You could get SC for as low as 20 bucks. 

    You can voluntarily spend more. But you do not have to. 


    Have fun
    See the part about taking advantage of suckers.
    See the part about people MAYBE understanding what crowdfunding is. Or not.


    Have fun

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    edited August 2018
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>  So which is It? >>>

    Scroll upthread. You already got your answer. 


    Have fun
    No I didn't.  that's why I asked.  So....
    No. You do not like the answer. You did get an answer. That is the difference. You want a different answer. You won't get a different answer from me. 


    Have fun
  • renstarensta Member RarePosts: 728
    Yeah.... many shows and movies are published for money and later are found free on the net... so that means they are not creating those with the intent of making money... your logic mister rabbit is very strange indeed.

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    Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    edited August 2018
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>  So which is It? >>>

    Scroll upthread. You already got your answer. 


    Have fun
    No I didn't.  that's why I asked.  So....
    No. You do not like the answer. You did get an answer. That is the difference. You want a different answer. You won't get a different answer from me. 


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    Nah.  I must be deaf.  Tell me the answer again I'll accept it.  I just don't see an answer In this thread.
    Nebilim

    I've got the straight edge.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    edited August 2018
    @rensta
    They are creating those with the intent to keep their community updated, just as they promised. A community of backers that voluntarily paid FIRST (it is a crowdfunding project after all). 

    You are mixing up cause and effect.


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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>  So which is It? >>>

    Scroll upthread. You already got your answer. 


    Have fun
    No I didn't.  that's why I asked.  So....
    No. You do not like the answer. You did get an answer. That is the difference. You want a different answer. You won't get a different answer from me. 


    Have fun
    Nah.  I must be deaf.  Tell me the answer again I'll accept it.  I just don't see an answer In this thread.
    There is probably a little wheel on your mouse. I recommend to use it ;-) 


    Have fun
  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>  So which is It? >>>

    Scroll upthread. You already got your answer. 


    Have fun
    No I didn't.  that's why I asked.  So....
    No. You do not like the answer. You did get an answer. That is the difference. You want a different answer. You won't get a different answer from me. 


    Have fun
    Nah.  I must be deaf.  Tell me the answer again I'll accept it.  I just don't see an answer In this thread.
    There is probably a little wheel on your mouse. I recommend to use it ;-) 


    Have fun
    My mouse is old.  I am too.  Just give me am answer.  If you need the question again?  I can provide that.

    I've got the straight edge.

  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,039
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    They've drummed up so much money for this "game".  But, they can't even take one day to give back to supporters or potential customers.  Everything they do is about taking people's money.  
    You should look more on the official homepage.

    They give constantly - almost every day. 


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    The homepage is full of t-shirts and other advertisements.  What exactly do they give back to the community?

    Oh

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    Jump Point magazine

    Hundreds of video blogs

    Thousands of articles and stories

    Community events

    FAQs 

    Minigames

    Contests

    BarCitizen Meetings

    Game fair booths

    Studio visits

    etc.


    Have fun


    As usual, your tribalism is at it's peak.
    El-HefeNebilim
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    edited August 2018
    Thank you Gibson (by quotes in your post)  for answering Hefe. Hefe is old ( by his own words) and needs help.


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    El-Hefe
  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    Erillion said:
    Thank you Gibson (by quotes in your post)  for answering Hefe.


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    He posted a trivial list of what you yourself has said is community funded.  So either you agree with me.  Or you disagree and we go back to the other point.  Where they should not be spending crowd funding dollars on this shit and they should finish the God damned game. So yes thank you.  Now answer my question.  
    sgelMrMelGibson

    I've got the straight edge.

  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    What has CIG provided the community while not asking for money in return?
    sgelNebilim

    I've got the straight edge.

  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    edited August 2018
    Forgot about the free weekend.  That was killer.

    I've got the straight edge.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    edited August 2018
    El-Hefe said:
    What has CIG provided the community while not asking for money in return?
    You got multiple answers to that question. Even from yourself ;-) Scroll upthread.

    You do not like the answers. But you did get an answer. That is the difference.

    You want a different answer. You won't get a different answer from me. 


    Have fun
  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    edited August 2018
     :) 

    I've got the straight edge.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


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  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    Oh,  the free weekend.  Right.

    I've got the straight edge.

  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


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    Truth.

      Good luck to you with your game.  
    I hope you understand how their tactics may rub many people the wrong way.   

    I've got the straight edge.

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