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  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    God damned could have ended hours ago if you just went with your heart you f ing rabbit.  Spit it out.

    I've got the straight edge.

  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,197
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


    Have fun
    Not a cult :D
    El-HefeMrMelGibsonSlapshot1188KefoStjerneoddNebilim

    ..Cake..

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    sgel said:
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


    Have fun
    Not a cult :D
    Hope for a game as complex and freeform as Star Wars Galaxies. With players political struggles like EVE. With visual fidelity like E:D. With an interesting story and characters like Wing Commander. With flying like Freelancer.


    Have fun

    WalkinGlenn
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


    Have fun
    Truth.

      Good luck to you with your game.  
    I hope you understand how their tactics may rub many people the wrong way.   
    Yes. 

    But no one forces those people to back or buy  this game. It's all voluntary. They could just move on to one of thousands of other games. 

    It is a rubbing of their own doing. Maybe they like the self-inflicted  "pain". 


    Have fun
  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


    Have fun
    Truth.

      Good luck to you with your game.  
    I hope you understand how their tactics may rub many people the wrong way.   
    Yes. 

    But no one forces those people to back or buy  this game. It's all voluntary. They could just move on to one of thousands of other games. 

    It is a rubbing of their own doing. Maybe they like the self-inflicted  "pain". 


    Have fun
    People voluntarily spending close to $300 million dollars worth of nothing,  could have a very adverse affect on the gaming industry.   

    That's why I think people are so interested.

    Most of them could give a fuck if dude pulls it off or not.  They just don't want "their" game to f  them up the butt like this one seems to do to it's "player base".  

    Have fun

    I've got the straight edge.

  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,088
    edited August 2018
    tawess said:
    Blizzard does the same with Blizzcon.... And that stuff generally does not get added to the web "legally". 

    I see no real problem with it. If the money spent goes in to production value... That is great for everybody. 
    Blizzcon : A $200 ticket price for two day convention full of activities (including goody bag, beta keys , other exclusives and a concert (Muse in 2017, Foo Fighters, Metallica were in other years ) to close the event. Live finals of their tournaments.  For fans from a company that hosts several highly popular games. The virtual ticket for the live stream, lets you see the tournament finals and concert of a famous band live.

    Citizencon : This is just a presentation and some panels about one game in development. You would think they would be happy to share this information with all the backers. But to see the  livestream it either requires you to sub or have paid $1000+ to watch.

    Yeah, sure. Let's call that the same.
    El-HefecheyaneKefoNebilimMrMelGibson
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    tawess said:
    Blizzard does the same with Blizzcon.... And that stuff generally does not get added to the web "legally". 

    I see no real problem with it. If the money spent goes in to production value... That is great for everybody. 
    Blizzcon : A $200 ticket price for two day convention full of activities (including goody bag, beta keys , other exclusives and a concert (Muse in 2017, Foo Fighters, Metallica were in other years ) to close the event. Live finals of their tournaments.  For fans from a company that hosts several highly popular games. The virtual ticket for the live stream, lets you see the tournament finals and concert of a famous band live.

    Citizencon : This is just a presentation and some panels about one game in development. You would think they would be happy to share this information with all the backers. But to see the  livestream it either requires you to sub or have paid $1000+ to watch.

    Yeah, sure. Let's call that the same.
    Lemme see. Last CitizenCon.

    A few dozen Euros for the ticket. A free Octane SSD worth hundreds in return for many attendants (they handed out hundreds of Octanes). Talking to developers. Hands on playing the newest build. Deep dive into the Technical aspects of game development. Awesome cosplay. Great player org meetings. Wonderful BarCitizen barcrawls. Goodie bags.

    No Metallica :-/ ;-) 


    Have fun
  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,197
    Awesome cosplay. Great player org meetings. Wonderful BarCitizen barcrawls.

    hahahah
    Erillion trying really really hard. :D
    KefoMrMelGibson

    ..Cake..

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328

    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


    Have fun
    Truth.

      Good luck to you with your game.  
    I hope you understand how their tactics may rub many people the wrong way.   
    Yes. 

    But no one forces those people to back or buy  this game. It's all voluntary. They could just move on to one of thousands of other games. 

    It is a rubbing of their own doing. Maybe they like the self-inflicted  "pain". 


    Have fun
    People voluntarily spending close to $300 million dollars worth of nothing,  could have a very adverse affect on the gaming industry.   

    That's why I think people are so interested.

    Most of them could give a fuck if dude pulls it off or not.  They just don't want "their" game to f  them up the butt like this one seems to do to it's "player base".  

    Have fun
    People voluntarily  spend more than a billion bucks on virtual tank and hero skins in games. That is also "nothing". Has not ruined the industry yet. 

    And the great majority of THIS playerbase is happy. As can be seen from the continual growth of the playerbase and the growing amount of collected crowdfunding money. A few loud trolls opposed to the game are normal in this day and age. 


    Have fun
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    sgel said:
    Awesome cosplay. Great player org meetings. Wonderful BarCitizen barcrawls.

    hahahah
    Erillion trying really really hard. :D
    Experience from previous SC meetings. 

    But yeah yeah - the old saying:  "Stop liking what I do not like!". Sorry to disappoint in that respect.


    Have fun

  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,197
    Erillion said:
    sgel said:
    Awesome cosplay. Great player org meetings. Wonderful BarCitizen barcrawls.

    hahahah
    Erillion trying really really hard. :D
    Experience from previous SC meetings. 

    But yeah yeah - the old saying:  "Stop liking what I do not like!". Sorry to disappoint in that respect.


    Have fun

    I don't mind you liking what you like at all !!..that's what's so interesting!
    You defending EVERYTHING CIG does and play down price increases, paywalls, 27k ship bundles, concept sales, infinite development time,  etc etc

    SC topics would have been much less entertaining without you.

    I'm glad you have enough time away from playing SC with your buddies to post here and defend this gem of a game.
    MrMelGibson

    ..Cake..

  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    Erillion said:


    Yes. The incentive is to help create something special. Something that a lot of people have been waiting for for a long time. 


    Have fun
    yeah but when is enough enough?

    We all know youre a paid shill for them but this just carries it too far.

    They monetize EVERYTHING now.

    Its obvious 200 Million isnt close to being enough. They have step up monetizing everything lately which could have multiple reasons. None of them good and none of them at all related to actually finishing the project. Because they have supposedly been trying to finish this project for the past 6 years but for the first 3 years or so (other than ships) they werent monetizing anything else. Which was bad enough but in context (which you love so much) it wasnt nearly as offensive. 
    Nebilim
  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    Erillion said:

    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    El-Hefe said:
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


    Have fun
    Truth.

      Good luck to you with your game.  
    I hope you understand how their tactics may rub many people the wrong way.   
    Yes. 

    But no one forces those people to back or buy  this game. It's all voluntary. They could just move on to one of thousands of other games. 

    It is a rubbing of their own doing. Maybe they like the self-inflicted  "pain". 


    Have fun
    People voluntarily spending close to $300 million dollars worth of nothing,  could have a very adverse affect on the gaming industry.   

    That's why I think people are so interested.

    Most of them could give a fuck if dude pulls it off or not.  They just don't want "their" game to f  them up the butt like this one seems to do to it's "player base".  

    Have fun
    People voluntarily  spend more than a billion bucks on virtual tank and hero skins in games. That is also "nothing". Has not ruined the industry yet. 

    And the great majority of THIS playerbase is happy. As can be seen from the continual growth of the playerbase and the growing amount of collected crowdfunding money. A few loud trolls opposed to the game are normal in this day and age. 


    Have fun
    The "billions"  are across many many many many many games.  Star Citizen is at a fourth of billion and it's not even a game yet.  It's all marketing. You've been marketed.  
    Nebilim

    I've got the straight edge.

  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    It isn't greed or evil if they need the cash to finish the project. 

    I believe a fair observation here would be if they didn't have financial problems they would've streamed the event for free for their backers at least. Even that is subjective. But still a valid assumption. 
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    So this event the costs have increased by a lot by making it the biggest event, but to try to recoup some of that money by charging on the livestream front is just the worse possible way to go at it.

    Citcon last year was sponsored by Intel and it worked just fine.
    Erillion
  • El-HefeEl-Hefe Member UncommonPosts: 760
    It isn't greed or evil if they need the cash to finish the project. 

    I believe a fair observation here would be if they didn't have financial problems they would've streamed the event for free for their backers at least. Even that is subjective. But still a valid assumption. 
    Even if they asked for way less money to complete a game  they promised would be completed years ago?

    I've got the straight edge.

  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    sgel said:
    Erillion said:
    >>>  Has cig ever given you something for nothing? <<<

    Hope.


    Have fun
    Not a cult :D
    pretty much, a lot of if not all 'cults' start out with a lot more members than you eventually read about in some horrific story. 

    But its like the boiling frog experiment, you dont go from 0-over 9000 you start with a dogma and add more crazy and loony things to it and as 'followers' fall off you eventually get to a 'hard core' group that would do ANYTHING no matter how crazy or self destructive it is.

    Irony of the cult of citizens is they are (apparently allegedly) getting more and more sign ups. But that could also be true as some people are just crazy to begin with so this is a bonus for them replace less fanatical followers who fall away with insta fanatic who take less time to indoctrinate. Either way the ending of these things is never good. But more than likely this wont end up as some mass suicide or storming of a compound by government officials but I am sure it will have some long lasting effects on the 'faithful'.
    Nebilim
  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,360
    Erillion said:
    And on the next day everything will most likely be free to watch on YouTube and Twitch. 


    Have fun

    The worst blind is the one that does not want to see.
    El-HefeNebilim
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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    rodarin said:
    yeah but when is enough enough?

    **snip**
    When its done.


    Have fun
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    El-Hefe said:
    **snip **  It's all marketing. You've been marketed.  
    I agree.

    i even think Star Citizen will find its way into marketing textbooks.

    I consider myself an informed customer. I have one ship. One pledge package. I got "marketed" when this crowdfunding started. After having carefully considered the pros and cons.  I support this project based on my evaluation of the team and the project.


    Have fun
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    edited August 2018
    El-Hefe said:
    Even if they asked for way less money to complete a game  they promised would be completed years ago?
    The game they suggested (they never promised !) to have completed in 2014 was no longer the same game even at the end of the Kickstarter campaign. This is just an obsolete statement that keeps getting necroed every few months or so. 

    The Kickstarter money is now only 1.3 % of the total amount of money in the SC crowdfunding campaign.

    A game that has 100+ stretch goals added to it is no longer the same game that got pitched at the beginning of the Kickstarter campaign. It is MUCH larger, MUCH more complex ... and will take time. CIG never gave an estimate when it will be launched. Its done when its done.


    Have fun


    PS:
    >>>
    People voluntarily spending close to $300 million dollars worth of nothing,  could have a very adverse affect on the gaming industry.  
    >>>

    Where did you get that number "$300 million dollars" ?


  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    Erillion said:
    And on the next day everything will most likely be free to watch on YouTube and Twitch. 


    Have fun

    The worst blind is the one that does not want to see.
    But he who sees thousands of Star Citizen videos on YouTube ... fan-made and official ....

    ....is not blind.


    Have fun
  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,197
    Consumers defending anti-consumer policies.

    This is how good the game is guys.
    Buy an Idris now before they run out.
    Nebilim

    ..Cake..

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    edited August 2018
    sgel said:
    Consumers defending anti-consumer policies.

    This is how good the game is guys.
    Buy an Idris now before they run out.
    Backers reminding people that waiting a few hours for a free HD version of a recorded live stream on YouTube is not akin to prophets of Ragnarök proclaiming that the end is nigh....

    Even if that hurts the feelings of the instant-gratification crowd.


    Have fun

  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    sgel said:
    Consumers defending anti-consumer policies.

    This is how good the game is guys.
    Buy an Idris now before they run out.
    Well mate the problem here is that crowdfunding is different than the whole company-consumer relationship, ethics and laws.

    I'm not saying it is better or worse, but it is different. And you have to treat it different. If it needs laws, it needs a new set of laws.

    Subjective morals or playing the victim or the vigilante wouldn't change anything. It hasn't in the past 6 years. 

    El-Hefe said:
    It isn't greed or evil if they need the cash to finish the project. 

    I believe a fair observation here would be if they didn't have financial problems they would've streamed the event for free for their backers at least. Even that is subjective. But still a valid assumption. 
    Even if they asked for way less money to complete a game  they promised would be completed years ago?
    El-Hefe said:
    It isn't greed or evil if they need the cash to finish the project. 

    I believe a fair observation here would be if they didn't have financial problems they would've streamed the event for free for their backers at least. Even that is subjective. But still a valid assumption. 
    Even if they asked for way less money to complete a game  they promised would be completed years ago?
    Project's scope changing many a time aside, it also could mean mismanagement of funds, failure in estimates and the timeliness, and so on. 

    Now I'm not here to defend SC. But attacking this project with anything comes to mind is just as silly as defending it at all levels.

    I'm not addressing anyone in particular, just the general debate revolving around this topic.
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
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