In search of who likes Easy ?

Scorchien

Ungood said:

Demogorgon said:

Didn't you know? If you didn't go to the Empire State Building, you can't have an opinion on NY. That is so obvious. /sigh

Some people just like to go full retard.

edit: Who the fuck care if the elevator is broken( which makes it mythic )... it is just one building. 

I've never been to Greece, but let me saddle you with my feelings about the whole country that I came about from just looking at pictures and reading meme's. Why should I need to go and do something to have an opinion of it?

Bad anaolgy , as you said " Ive never been to Greece "

 

    Weve been to Azeroth ...

    Now if you went and visited 98% of the country could you give a valid opinion of that country ....?

  Thats a better anaolgy to what you are presenting....relative to the gaming expereince

  So after visiting 98% of Greece do you think you could have a valid opinion of Greece ... ??

  and its akin to " Ive been to Azeroth , ive done 98% of the content , is my opinion of Azeroths difficulty valid?

ceratop001

This thread brings up a good point. Games are a lot easier today. Not sure why this is going on. I'm trying to think why, but at the moment I'm not getting any ideas. Perhaps the younger generations are getting stupid? I hope this isn't the case. Reminds me of that movie Idiocracy. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it.

Ungood

Scorchien said:

Ungood said:

Demogorgon said:

Didn't you know? If you didn't go to the Empire State Building, you can't have an opinion on NY. That is so obvious. /sigh

Some people just like to go full retard.

edit: Who the fuck care if the elevator is broken( which makes it mythic )... it is just one building. 

I've never been to Greece, but let me saddle you with my feelings about the whole country that I came about from just looking at pictures and reading meme's. Why should I need to go and do something to have an opinion of it?

Bad anaolgy , as you said " Ive never been to Greece "

 

    Weve been to Azeroth ...

    Now if you went and visited 98% of the country could you give a valid opinion of that country ....?

  Thats a better anaolgy to what you are presenting....relative to the gaming expereince

  So after visiting 98% of Greece do you think you could have a valid opinion of Greece ... ??

  and its akin to " Ive been to Azeroth , ive done 98% of the content , is my opinion of Azeroths difficulty valid?

You have obviously drawn some imaginary line in the sand where you think your feelings on something are justified, since this line is totally arbitrary, So, what if I draw the line much sooner then you, I am just as valid.

Scorchien

Ungood said:

Scorchien said:

Ungood said:

Demogorgon said:

Didn't you know? If you didn't go to the Empire State Building, you can't have an opinion on NY. That is so obvious. /sigh

Some people just like to go full retard.

edit: Who the fuck care if the elevator is broken( which makes it mythic )... it is just one building. 

I've never been to Greece, but let me saddle you with my feelings about the whole country that I came about from just looking at pictures and reading meme's. Why should I need to go and do something to have an opinion of it?

Bad anaolgy , as you said " Ive never been to Greece "

 

    Weve been to Azeroth ...

    Now if you went and visited 98% of the country could you give a valid opinion of that country ....?

  Thats a better anaolgy to what you are presenting....relative to the gaming expereince

  So after visiting 98% of Greece do you think you could have a valid opinion of Greece ... ??

  and its akin to " Ive been to Azeroth , ive done 98% of the content , is my opinion of Azeroths difficulty valid?

You have obviously drawn some imaginary line in the sand where you think your feelings on something are justified, since this line is totally arbitrary, So, what if I draw the line much sooner then you, I am just as valid.

weak .. you guys made the lines .. do we need to review .. I just proved it silly ..

     But thx for your attempt with the Greece anaolgy , it should of helped clear things up for you ..

 you never answered the question tho and understandable .. ill ask a again..

  If you were to visit 98% of Greece would you be able to form a valid opinion of Greece?

 yes or no will suffice

  After all it is YOUR analogy and if we apply the parameters of the  Gamers expereince in Wow , you should be able to form an answer..

  Conceding , and saying hey you know there is something to that , i can have a valid opinion of Greece after visiting 98%, Noone would think any less of you , or you can continue the charade ..

Ungood

Scorchien said:

Ungood said:

Scorchien said:

Ungood said:

Demogorgon said:

Didn't you know? If you didn't go to the Empire State Building, you can't have an opinion on NY. That is so obvious. /sigh

Some people just like to go full retard.

edit: Who the fuck care if the elevator is broken( which makes it mythic )... it is just one building. 

I've never been to Greece, but let me saddle you with my feelings about the whole country that I came about from just looking at pictures and reading meme's. Why should I need to go and do something to have an opinion of it?

Bad anaolgy , as you said " Ive never been to Greece "

 

    Weve been to Azeroth ...

    Now if you went and visited 98% of the country could you give a valid opinion of that country ....?

  Thats a better anaolgy to what you are presenting....relative to the gaming expereince

  So after visiting 98% of Greece do you think you could have a valid opinion of Greece ... ??

  and its akin to " Ive been to Azeroth , ive done 98% of the content , is my opinion of Azeroths difficulty valid?

You have obviously drawn some imaginary line in the sand where you think your feelings on something are justified, since this line is totally arbitrary, So, what if I draw the line much sooner then you, I am just as valid.

weak .. you guys made the lines .. do we need to review .. I just proved it silly ..

     But thx for your attempt with the Greece anaolgy , it should of helped clear things up for you ..

 you never answered the question tho and understandable .. ill ask a again..

  If you were to visit 98% of Greece would you be able to form a valid opinion of Greece?

 yes or no will suffice

  After all it is YOUR analogy and if we apply the parameters of the  Gamers expereince in Wow , you should be able to form an answer..

  Conceding , and saying hey you know there is something to that , i can have a valid opinion of Greece after visiting 98%, Noone would think any less of you , or you can continue the charade ..

Depends.

Let me give you an example.

I hated New York City, I positively hated that hell hole of a place, I used to do Contract work there for over a decade, so, I think I've got a pretty good idea of what that city is like, but you know what, I meet people that just visit that shit hole for one day and think it is a great place.. what the hell, they haven't seen 1% of what I have seen in that place, how dare they think they can formulate a valid opinion of that City.

Scorchien

Ungood said:

Scorchien said:

Ungood said:

Scorchien said:

Ungood said:

Demogorgon said:

Didn't you know? If you didn't go to the Empire State Building, you can't have an opinion on NY. That is so obvious. /sigh

Some people just like to go full retard.

edit: Who the fuck care if the elevator is broken( which makes it mythic )... it is just one building. 

I've never been to Greece, but let me saddle you with my feelings about the whole country that I came about from just looking at pictures and reading meme's. Why should I need to go and do something to have an opinion of it?

Bad anaolgy , as you said " Ive never been to Greece "

 

    Weve been to Azeroth ...

    Now if you went and visited 98% of the country could you give a valid opinion of that country ....?

  Thats a better anaolgy to what you are presenting....relative to the gaming expereince

  So after visiting 98% of Greece do you think you could have a valid opinion of Greece ... ??

  and its akin to " Ive been to Azeroth , ive done 98% of the content , is my opinion of Azeroths difficulty valid?

You have obviously drawn some imaginary line in the sand where you think your feelings on something are justified, since this line is totally arbitrary, So, what if I draw the line much sooner then you, I am just as valid.

weak .. you guys made the lines .. do we need to review .. I just proved it silly ..

     But thx for your attempt with the Greece anaolgy , it should of helped clear things up for you ..

 you never answered the question tho and understandable .. ill ask a again..

  If you were to visit 98% of Greece would you be able to form a valid opinion of Greece?

 yes or no will suffice

  After all it is YOUR analogy and if we apply the parameters of the  Gamers expereince in Wow , you should be able to form an answer..

  Conceding , and saying hey you know there is something to that , i can have a valid opinion of Greece after visiting 98%, Noone would think any less of you , or you can continue the charade ..

Depends.

Let me give you an example.

I hated New York City, I positively hated that hell hole of a place, I used to do Contract work there for over a decade, so, I think I've got a pretty good idea of what that city is like, but you know what, I meet people that just visit that shit hole for one day and think it is a great place.. what the hell, they haven't seen 1% of what I have seen in that place, how dare they think they can formulate a valid opinion of that City.

Cmon man , that was not the parameters laid out , it s all above , What was being said is that if you did not complete the hardest content in said game you could not have an opinion on its difficulty..

     Which under those parameters the person would HAVE to have expereinced 98% of NY city not 1% ...

 SO again this is not a valid analogy to the discussion , to the contrary its opposite by saying the person expereinced just 1% ..

 But plz just answer the question ...

    yes or no

 Can you formulate a valid opinion of Greece by visiting 98% of it ?

Ungood

Scorchien said:

Blah blah blah.. stuff.

Let me ask you some questions.

If someone could not beat a game, would you believe them that the game was Too Easy?

Would it matter how much of the game they played?

If someone beat a game with no apparent effort, would you believe them that the game was Too Hard?

Would it Matter how much of the Game they played?

Think about for that a while before you cry about "But.. but if they played 98% of the game" 

VengeSunsoar

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

Amaranthar

Mars_Orbital said:

Depends on the entirety of the games content. I like some of the easier elements of Black Desert online, simply because it's a break from the grinding. Every game should have an activity that creates better use of adventuring downtime.  Something that is hard all the time, will eventually burn people out..

That's very true (I don't know about BDO as I haven't played it). There are times I like to do simple things like fishing just for an escape and relaxation. I want that sort of game play to be well done though, or it's hard to get that enjoyment out of it.
I've always wanted this aspect to be enhanced. I'd love, for example, to have a functional astronomy/astrology in a game that's both meaningful in information gathering and game effects, as well as entertaining. Spending some time star gazing and reading them to see what they and the fates have in store in the immediate future, etc.

lahnmir

VengeSunsoar said:

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.

For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Ungood

VengeSunsoar said:

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

No, as this really depends on how hard the "Not Easy" part of the game, and how much the "Not Easy" part affects the rest of the game.

For example, if a game had an "easy" leveling process like an extended tutorial, so players could learn the game mechanics but then had punitive end game, it's not only unfair to say the game is easy, it's downright deceptive.

VengeSunsoar

I must say I can't disagree with either of you. That's quite the conundrum.

Scorchien

Ungood said:

Scorchien said:

Blah blah blah.. stuff.

Let me ask you some questions.

If someone could not beat a game, would you believe them that the game was Too Easy?

Would it matter how much of the game they played?

If someone beat a game with no apparent effort, would you believe them that the game was Too Hard?

Would it Matter how much of the Game they played?

Think about for that a while before you cry about "But.. but if they played 98% of the game" 

The fact that you refuse to answer the simple question that derived from your anaolgy , tells me all i need to know ..

 Your constant goal post moving and detracting does not work ..

  But plz just answer the question ...

    yes or no

 Can you formulate a valid opinion of Greece by visiting 98% of it ?

   Nv/m ..  really no need you have failed here with logic

   you have failed here with reason

  You dont even have the intestinal fortitude to answer a simple question but would rather see how many ways you can dance around it ...

  So what we are going to do is bookmark this page ad anytime that you or Jean-Puc tell us about a games Difficulty we are going to link back to this and you Must produce SS of BiS along with achievements .. Otherwise your opinion is invalid ..

Scorchien

lahnmir said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.

For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Maybe you did not read or follow the discussion , we are talking about MMOS here , and a player must complete the Hardest Content available to have a valid opinion of said game ..

 what this leaves us with ..

 If you play Wow and complete lvl 1-120

                                    compelte Heroics

                                       Complete challenges

  Youve completed 99% of the content that Wow offers ..you just dont have the time to complete Mythicals which is Less than 1% of Wows content ..

  Because this is 99% of all MMO players , so we now the only people by these standards that can form a valid opinion of a games difficulty are the 1%ers .. Sounds silly now doesnt it

  Is your opinion not valid if you say it was easy ..?

 yes or no

 Because i tell with that line of thinking most likley Noone on this site has a valid opinion of said MMO .. Unless of course they can show SS of BiS ...

Scorchien

Jean-Luc_Picard said:

That Greece analogy is stupid. Apples and Oranges.

If you wanted to make a more appropriate analogy, it would be climbing all the easiest mountains in Greece, leaving out the more difficult ones, and pretending all mountains in Greece are easy to climb.

That's exactly what you do when you say a game is easy yet you never completed its difficult content.

1, That was Ungoods analogy and its not stupid it actually fits the parameters of the discussion ...

  So lets try with you now ...   

 lets avoid the goalposts you try to establish with saying "it would be climbing all the easiest mountains in Greece"

 Because thats not what we are talking about and changing the matter ..There is only 1% of players that complete the hardest content in Wow

 So you try to answer a question now ..

  If Jean -Luc spends his summer climbing 99% of the Mts in Greece , does he have a valid opinion on Mt climbing in Greece?

 Thats the better analogy.........................yes or no will suffice

delete5230

It all comes down to semantics..... I see you people arguing over this when their is no winner ! 

It's like this: 
- Some people view a rainy day as beautiful 
- Some view a rainy day as depressing  
- I view a rainy day as beautiful AS LONG AS IT RAINS ALL DAY.  If it stops, turns cloudy and wet the rest of the day then I'm depressed. 

How can all 3 be disputed ??  


Same with the definition of an mmorpg, it cant be defined only a perception ! 
But if you ask "me" I know "exactly" what one is.... But I'll keep it to my self, because it will start the semantics all over again.

lahnmir

Scorchien said:

lahnmir said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.

For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Maybe you did not read or follow the discussion , we are talking about MMOS here , and a player must complete the Hardest Content available to have a valid opinion of said game ..

 what this leaves us with ..

 If you play Wow and complete lvl 1-120

                                    compelte Heroics

                                       Complete challenges

  Youve completed 99% of the content that Wow offers ..you just dont have the time to complete Mythicals which is Less than 1% of Wows content ..

  Because this is 99% of all MMO players , so we now the only people by these standards that can form a valid opinion of a games difficulty are the 1%ers .. Sounds silly now doesnt it

  Is your opinion not valid if you say it was easy ..?

 yes or no

 Because i tell with that line of thinking most likley Noone on this site has a valid opinion of said MMO .. Unless of course they can show SS of BiS ...

I think my response was perfectly valid to the question I quoted. Not using MMOs as examples shouldn't matter one bit tbh, it applies to all games.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Scorchien

lahnmir said:

Scorchien said:

lahnmir said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.

For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Maybe you did not read or follow the discussion , we are talking about MMOS here , and a player must complete the Hardest Content available to have a valid opinion of said game ..

 what this leaves us with ..

 If you play Wow and complete lvl 1-120

                                    compelte Heroics

                                       Complete challenges

  Youve completed 99% of the content that Wow offers ..you just dont have the time to complete Mythicals which is Less than 1% of Wows content ..

  Because this is 99% of all MMO players , so we now the only people by these standards that can form a valid opinion of a games difficulty are the 1%ers .. Sounds silly now doesnt it

  Is your opinion not valid if you say it was easy ..?

 yes or no

 Because i tell with that line of thinking most likley Noone on this site has a valid opinion of said MMO .. Unless of course they can show SS of BiS ...

I think my response was perfectly valid to the question I quoted. Not using MMOs as examples shouldn't matter one bit tbh, it applies to all games.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

well you were not following the discussion ..and the fact that you also will not answer the question given to you realtive to Wow , which is what we are discussing not Mario cart , speaks volumes ..

  you are welcome to answer it tho ...

 If Lahnmir completes 99% of Wow content , Normal /Heriocs/Challenges ,but does not have the time ti dedicate to Myths ,  is his opinion of Wows difficulty having completed 99% of the game a valid one ?

   yes or no

Scorchien

Jean-Luc_Picard said:

lahnmir said:

Scorchien said:

lahnmir said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.

For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Maybe you did not read or follow the discussion , we are talking about MMOS here , and a player must complete the Hardest Content available to have a valid opinion of said game ..

 what this leaves us with ..

 If you play Wow and complete lvl 1-120

                                    compelte Heroics

                                       Complete challenges

  Youve completed 99% of the content that Wow offers ..you just dont have the time to complete Mythicals which is Less than 1% of Wows content ..

  Because this is 99% of all MMO players , so we now the only people by these standards that can form a valid opinion of a games difficulty are the 1%ers .. Sounds silly now doesnt it

  Is your opinion not valid if you say it was easy ..?

 yes or no

 Because i tell with that line of thinking most likley Noone on this site has a valid opinion of said MMO .. Unless of course they can show SS of BiS ...

I think my response was perfectly valid to the question I quoted. Not using MMOs as examples shouldn't matter one bit tbh, it applies to all games.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Our friend conveniently ignores the difference between:

1 - Having an opinion about the game, if he enjoys it or not.

2 - Having an opinion about the game's difficulty, which is irrelevant if he choses to ignore some of the content.

1 is subjective, and you definitely can only do parts of a game and enjoy it a lot.

2 is a fact, if a game has some very difficult content, yet the guys doesn't do it and then comes and say "gosh that game is easy as cake", his opinion is contradicted by an undeniable fact and made irrelevant.

But I'm used to his posting habits, it's not the first time. Just let him win on the Internet and enjoy your games

Lets make this very clear where this stems from .. Coming once again from your statement in this thread "People who suggest that games they don't even play are easy, and who never actually completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your time and only deserve to be ignored" from Jean -Luc

  Now ive watched Jean make this statement many times particulary referencing Wow and telling people to post the SS of there Myhtics , or there opinion of Wow  difficulty is not valid.. Aint that right Jean .. Now do we need to go thru your history or are you willing to admit that stance....

  Now here are facts we all know from Blizz..

 Less than 1% of players complete Mythics

  Mythics are less than 1% of all of Wows content

  These are all facts and what we are discussing here...

   So knowing all the facts now ...

  If  a player completes 99% of Wows content is there opinion valid of its difficulty ?

                                                       

 why is it so hard to answer a question based on data and facts ... Because it does not suit your agenda?

 So answer the question ..or are you that spineless?

  So coming from your own analogys and setting them to the parameters established by Wow ..you can try answering these also ..

If Jean -Luc spends his summer climbing 99% of the Mts in Greece , does he have a valid opinion on Mt climbing in Greece?

  So after Ungood  visits 98% of Greece do you think you could have a valid opinion of Greece ... ??

              

Or after you completing 99% of Wows content can you have a valid opinion on its difficulty ?

  yes or no works for any of them

 These are your own analogys keeping in line with the facts we know from Wow.... so answer .. any one of them ...

blamo2000

I hate easy, no challenge single player games.  I love when mmorpgs have tons of build possibilities that if done right you can solo group content.  I also like tough difficulty for only group possible content.  I loved Wildstar, whereas I think the game was hated because people crave easy regardless of what they say.  I started mmorpgs with EQ and it seems to me most people stating they want difficult content are really saying they want forced grouping for leveling, but want that content to be relatively easy for a group.  

It also changes based on the content for me too.  I was heavily into the arena in WoW BC and WotLK, as well as Wildstar.  I loved 2v2and did pretty well in it (not tier 1 well, not even close to those monsters) and thought 3v3 was okay, but I hated 5v5.  It was just too fast, too crazy, and too front loaded.  Some people liked all 3 and did equally well in all 3.  But certain people did better in 5v5 than 2v2, and vice versa.  And I'm not talking class dependent, but personal skill set wise.  So there is "hard" that people like and dislike when its basically the same activity.  I know I prefer a hard dungeon over an easy raid - the hardest part of raiding for me is all the waiting.  Other than in Wildstar where the hardest part of certain raids was the raid.

blamo2000

Scorchien said:

Or after you completing 99% of Wows content can you have a valid opinion on its difficulty ?

Someone recommended a single player game to me I disliked because it was too easy.  He then told me it doesn't get good or offer a challenge until new game plus, and that it took 100 hours to get to that.  I have no desire to spend 100 hours on a game before it even having a chance of me liking it.

I would be more willing to accept an mmorpg has completely different experience and difficulty during leveling than it does for end-game, but if I don't enjoy playing whatever part of a game I am on I'm very unlikely to "push through" hoping I'll like what comes later.

I think this argument boils down to people willing to stick it out to get to the good part will see the game as good, whereas people like me will get bored or disinterested quickly and see the game as bad.  

AlBQuirky

Ungood said:

Demogorgon said:

Didn't you know? If you didn't go to the Empire State Building, you can't have an opinion on NY. That is so obvious. /sigh

Some people just like to go full retard.

edit: Who the fuck care if the elevator is broken( which makes it mythic )... it is just one building. 

I've never been to Greece, but let me saddle you with my feelings about the whole country that I came about from just looking at pictures and reading meme's. Why should I need to go and do something to have an opinion of it?

Did you live through Vesuvius's big bang, possibly the hardest part of living in Greece? No? Then your "opinion" is invalid.

I never realized there were so many rules and hoops about opinions. I guess there are "wrong" opinions, especially when others get all bent out of shape. Now, if you want talk about informed opinions, then I see your point.

As for WoW specifically, that game gets easier with each new "tweak" to its leveling system. Since leveling is 90% of the whole game, I guess "my opinion" is wrong because I don't play that other 1%. Right or wrong, it is still my opinion.

Easy or Difficult is NOT a fact. They can be a more common opinion, though. They are opinions.

Some people think Math is hard. Some don't. How much math does one need to go through before their opinion matters? Calculus? Trigonometry? Fractions?

kitarad

Vesuvius is in Italy.

AlBQuirky

kitarad said:

Vesuvius is in Italy.

D'OH! Thanks for that correction

lahnmir

Scorchien said:

lahnmir said:

Scorchien said:

lahnmir said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?

Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.

For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Maybe you did not read or follow the discussion , we are talking about MMOS here , and a player must complete the Hardest Content available to have a valid opinion of said game ..

 what this leaves us with ..

 If you play Wow and complete lvl 1-120

                                    compelte Heroics

                                       Complete challenges

  Youve completed 99% of the content that Wow offers ..you just dont have the time to complete Mythicals which is Less than 1% of Wows content ..

  Because this is 99% of all MMO players , so we now the only people by these standards that can form a valid opinion of a games difficulty are the 1%ers .. Sounds silly now doesnt it

  Is your opinion not valid if you say it was easy ..?

 yes or no

 Because i tell with that line of thinking most likley Noone on this site has a valid opinion of said MMO .. Unless of course they can show SS of BiS ...

I think my response was perfectly valid to the question I quoted. Not using MMOs as examples shouldn't matter one bit tbh, it applies to all games.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

well you were not following the discussion ..and the fact that you also will not answer the question given to you realtive to Wow , which is what we are discussing not Mario cart , speaks volumes ..

  you are welcome to answer it tho ...

 If Lahnmir completes 99% of Wow content , Normal /Heriocs/Challenges ,but does not have the time ti dedicate to Myths ,  is his opinion of Wows difficulty having completed 99% of the game a valid one ?

   yes or no

What a weird and hostile response, I have been in this thread all along and since this isn't "your" discussion you can take your 'rules of engagement' somewhere else. Look at my response AGAIN, generally easy yes, just easy no. We need to look at skill level too then, and time available and all other factors before your strain of reasoning makes any sense. Difficulty is personal and relative, there is general opinion though.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir