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What do you think can be done to radically change how MMORPG are played?

Barring tech like VR, AR or being plugged in... what do you think could be the biggest game changer?

I think having fluid, player reactive content would change how we play. A system developing stories on it's own based on player action.  
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    All that it takes is for a game that does some things very differently from most of the others to catch fire and become very popular the way that Fortnite did recently, or League of Legends or Minecraft some years ago.  Or, for that matter, World of Warcraft as the MMORPG example of this.

    If an unconventional game like Uncharted Waters Online or Wakfu had had that kind of success, it would have changed our view of what MMORPGs are.  Those are hardly the only MMORPGs to do a lot of things very differently from the norm, but it's unpredictable when a game will catch fire and redefine a genre.
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 4,011
    Probably something related to sex, if I had to guess.
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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432
    I really don't know. If it changes too much, would it still be an MMORPG?
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    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  • aleosaleos Member UncommonPosts: 1,943
    Remove LFG que
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Barring tech like VR, AR or being plugged in... what do you think could be the biggest game changer?

    I think having fluid, player reactive content would change how we play. A system developing stories on it's own based on player action.  

    The passing of time in game.

    This would change the game immensely, simply having time pass, NPC's growing older, getting married, having children, and dying, and life happening in the game. around the players.

    Sure.. you saved the world.. but.. the world going on around you, with or without you, I think would change the whole way players interact with a game.

    Too many MMO's are static, stuck in a single moment of time, forever frozen, but having it so that time moves on around the player. The sun rises, the sun set, the seasons change, and the people change would really make people rethink their game world.

    Allowing players also to be a part of this, allowing them to build and add to the world around them, and thus way, someone that comes into a game they become a part of that, but they are also living the history, they started their character when the King has just died, his Son took the throne Last month.. and this is not Last Month 6 years ago when the game launched.. this was just last month, and 2 years later, that King has grown old, and passed,  and player is at this funeral thinking "I remember when this NPC was just a child on the throne"

    It gives the world a sense of wonder.. to age and grow like that.. unlike current MMO's that feel very Plasticine.

    Make it so the PC character also agess (maybe slower to justify their status as a PC), and you have a bold world there... it would be something very new.



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  • BooLadedadaBooLadedada Member UncommonPosts: 5
    Ungood said:
    Barring tech like VR, AR or being plugged in... what do you think could be the biggest game changer?

    I think having fluid, player reactive content would change how we play. A system developing stories on it's own based on player action.  

    The passing of time in game.

    I fully agree with this the aging and passing on to next generation in Chronicles of Elyria has me excited. I have not researched a lot on the game but seems to be going in the direction you mentioned




    Ungood
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    CoE is really planing a lot of radical things for their game.. I hope they don't get buried under the ambition.. you know?
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  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    Palebane said:
    Probably something related to sex, if I had to guess.
    Entertainment is so oversaturated with sex at this point, I'm already bored of that game and it hasn't even been made yet. A few years ago a spicy sex scene might have been titillating, but now I just roll my eyes when they force it into a game or TV show.
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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    VR is a good chose . Sadly there are no game make me interest enough to by one .

    RueTheWhirl
  • foppoteefoppotee Member RarePosts: 537
    edited February 2019
    I think all online gaming, especially online mmos, that implement microtransactions with any random/gambling mechanic should be legally forced to post odds similar to a casino if it involves real money directly or indirectly .  Not direct sales where the price is known & the product/service being bought it known but any that have a risk versus reward when the ratio is not known.  The gaming companies know the statistics, because it isn't truly random it is coding, but don't publish them because they know the customers (players) would then use that system less knowing the odds.  Only then, after officially publishing the odds, can the consumer make an informed decision, because without the information of those official odds it is gambling defined & should be regulated as a casino even if it has a cool store-front theme as a particular game. 

    In my opinion that has been the largest detriment with the most significant impact to online gaming.  The creators, the technologies, & the resources spent over the at least last half decade have all been within a primarily focused vision of creating casino games with lots of moving parts to catch our eye, exciting sounds, & bright lights getting players to spend more not on the game but for a chance at something for the game, but just a chance.  That focus has taken away from innovation that is involved with creating better gaming & expanding online gaming. 

    I'm not against the microtransactions of any kind including ones with random/gambling elements, cosmetic or game altering, however the odds should be posted.  If such mechanics became more regulated, like a casino, I think the focus would slowly return to the interest of making compelling games & advancing that venue through coding innovations, story telling, & refining technology.  We have games now, even top-rated & good games, built around the gambling mechanic, where a stage show (the game) is fun & entertaining, but behind the curtain is an online casino, which that is the trick to accomplished & the customer doesn't even realize.    
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Players can affect the world and even destroy it
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  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,852
    To go along with Ungood's post about the passage of time, I think making the game world feel like it's more "realistic" and alive would be a huge step.

    To add a comment on what this game changer should not have, there are things proven to be huge negatives that it must avoid in order for it's new system of play to succeed.

    A short list of prime examples of what not to include:
    -Wide open PvP with no restrictions
    -Cash Shops

    Ungood

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  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,852
    Players can affect the world and even destroy it
    While I agree with this, it should not be easy. And there should sometimes be consequences. Especially in destroying what players build.
    Ungood

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,427
    When we develop artificial intelligence to a sufficient degree then the game can be a Games Master for the players, and MMO's will be able to truly earn the title MMORPG.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Challenging AI.
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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    Scot said:
    When we develop artificial intelligence to a sufficient degree then the game can be a Games Master for the players, and MMO's will be able to truly earn the title MMORPG.
    Until someone rage quits and the AI decides human life isn't worth letting live if it can't suffer a game.  Nukes world and manufactures T100s.
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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    Ungood said:
    Barring tech like VR, AR or being plugged in... what do you think could be the biggest game changer?

    I think having fluid, player reactive content would change how we play. A system developing stories on it's own based on player action.  

    The passing of time in game.

    This would change the game immensely, simply having time pass, NPC's growing older, getting married, having children, and dying, and life happening in the game. around the players.

    Sure.. you saved the world.. but.. the world going on around you, with or without you, I think would change the whole way players interact with a game.

    Too many MMO's are static, stuck in a single moment of time, forever frozen, but having it so that time moves on around the player. The sun rises, the sun set, the seasons change, and the people change would really make people rethink their game world.

    Allowing players also to be a part of this, allowing them to build and add to the world around them, and thus way, someone that comes into a game they become a part of that, but they are also living the history, they started their character when the King has just died, his Son took the throne Last month.. and this is not Last Month 6 years ago when the game launched.. this was just last month, and 2 years later, that King has grown old, and passed,  and player is at this funeral thinking "I remember when this NPC was just a child on the throne"

    It gives the world a sense of wonder.. to age and grow like that.. unlike current MMO's that feel very Plasticine.

    Make it so the PC character also agess (maybe slower to justify their status as a PC), and you have a bold world there... it would be something very new.



    I would love this.  I think it goes with dynamic and fluid questing creating something that is on going and non static.  

    The biggest issue you will have is players feel like they should be able to experience all content. I believe GW2 has this problem.  
    Ungood
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,014
    Players can affect the world and even destroy it
    We already have that, it's called real life.
    Cryomatrix
  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    I don't understand why people prefer AI Challenging while you can just hire other people to play as bosses , mobs and NPCs .

    I prefer a world run by human instead of AI .

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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Ungood said:
    Barring tech like VR, AR or being plugged in... what do you think could be the biggest game changer?

    I think having fluid, player reactive content would change how we play. A system developing stories on it's own based on player action.  

    The passing of time in game.

    This would change the game immensely, simply having time pass, NPC's growing older, getting married, having children, and dying, and life happening in the game. around the players.

    Sure.. you saved the world.. but.. the world going on around you, with or without you, I think would change the whole way players interact with a game.

    Too many MMO's are static, stuck in a single moment of time, forever frozen, but having it so that time moves on around the player. The sun rises, the sun set, the seasons change, and the people change would really make people rethink their game world.

    Allowing players also to be a part of this, allowing them to build and add to the world around them, and thus way, someone that comes into a game they become a part of that, but they are also living the history, they started their character when the King has just died, his Son took the throne Last month.. and this is not Last Month 6 years ago when the game launched.. this was just last month, and 2 years later, that King has grown old, and passed,  and player is at this funeral thinking "I remember when this NPC was just a child on the throne"

    It gives the world a sense of wonder.. to age and grow like that.. unlike current MMO's that feel very Plasticine.

    Make it so the PC character also agess (maybe slower to justify their status as a PC), and you have a bold world there... it would be something very new.



    I would love this.  I think it goes with dynamic and fluid questing creating something that is on going and non static.  

    The biggest issue you will have is players feel like they should be able to experience all content. I believe GW2 has this problem.  
    Yes., GW2 did have this problem, with Season 1 of their Living Story, but I think a lot of the issue was that the rest of the world stayed static with these events and that is where things went wrong.

    If the whole world went forward, it would have been different, but, in GW2, what made things off, was that while Lions Arch changed, just one Zone north, in the Gendarran Fields, everything was as it always was.. nothing changed. Just like they had this whole huge event with refugees moving into Holbrak and the Iron Citadel.. and Poof.. they are gone.. story is over... no progression of the story.

    See building a living world, where time passes, lets say a Volcano erupts, and NPC's die, suddenly, many people in other cities talk about lost family members, new people come to the remaining cities for a new life, they open shops, thus new shops appear, they talk about their plight and struggles, they talk about the destroyed city.

    Now, a place Players can go visit, and see the passing of time there as well. The once inferno, becomes smoldering ruins, and finally just charred remains. Maybe mobs move in, build their own nests into the frame works of the old buildings.

    Or players can sift and salvage and recover lost heirlooms to return to the surviving families, and get rewards for that, the items they return, become mounted to walls, or worn by the NPC's, and when the player returns, that NPC remembers them, thanks them, and that NPC grows old, dies, and their child now knows and talks fondly of the hero that went to the smoldering ruins to recover their family crest, which they thought was long lost, but now sits proudly on the wall behind the counter of their shop.

    Building a world like that.. where time.. and events pass.. where the player impacts the game. would totally change the way players approach MMO's.

    Yes.. by the end of next year (Say 1 year is 20 years game time) the now burnt ruins are covered in hives of mobs, almost all that was there has been salvaged, but you never know.. there could be one last item buried in the rubble if you are willing to take the risks.

    Also seeing a starting smith that at one time only offered basic swords, but the player kept selling them junk weapons to smelt and forge, and now the shop offers better quality weapons, and goes from "NPC's Fine Wears" to "Master Weapon Maker NPC's Emporium" .. and now you can buy better things. Also, over time, the NPC starts to know you.. remember you, maybe chats with you "Welcome back my friends, good to see you, do you have a new pile of things for me, or will you be buying something today, I'll give you 10% off because you always come to me" and then later, it's 15%, or maybe |I can't today, sales have been slow" or some such.. that feeling of things are not static.. time moves on.. and what you do.. matters, maybe not world splitting.. maybe you didn't save the family crest, but they still know of you.. in their own ways.
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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    iixviiiix said:
    I don't understand why people prefer AI Challenging while you can just hire other people to play as bosses , mobs and NPCs .

    I prefer a world run by human instead of AI .

    Humans have biases which can be good or bad.
    iixviiiix
  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    Real living and breathing AI, where NPCs have personalities and their own goals and those goals might not align with your goals.  Imagine a game where there is an NPC backstabbing players, but not all players, just ones that align to something they personally despise.  A world created by AI and Players actions.  That would change the genre as we know it.
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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    Players can affect the world and even destroy it
    I think this may already exist.  All the people have to do is leave/quit.  Take a look at EQ1 as it is now, and tell me that's not destroyed.  Substitute any First Gen MMORPG, if you like.  They all died.



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  • jonp200jonp200 Member UncommonPosts: 457
    The ones that engage me have some story to them.  Many of us have called for going back to the golden time of MMOs but at the same time, I wouldn't be up for a corpse run or mapping out the world on a piece of paper.  In essence, we want what brought us to MMOs while taking advantage of newer tech.  Not an easy problem to solve but just like Hollywood; trying to cater to everyone leads to satisfying no one.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    I think "fuzzy logic" will become more and more important. See a discussion of that here: https://www.quora.com/How-is-Fuzzy-Logic-used-in-game-development

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