I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
I take it you are referring to me. I'm not saying that a shopping cart shouldn't be implemented. I am saying that it is of low priority because there are more important things to implement first.
As I said above - just treat it as Early Access.
A Shopping Cart is on the list of features to be added and most of the features will be added this year. As far as priorities go mine would be getting publishers to add their games to the store so that a cart is actually needed! As it stands I doubt many people are purchasing multiple items at the same time.
I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
I take it you are referring to me. I'm not saying that a shopping cart shouldn't be implemented. I am saying that it is of low priority because there are more important things to implement first.
As I said above - just treat it as Early Access.
A Shopping Cart is on the list of features to be added and most of the features will be added this year. As far as priorities go mine would be getting publishers to add their games to the store so that a cart is actually needed! As it stands I doubt many people are purchasing multiple items at the same time.
Did you miss the news on the purchasers that were complaining they were getting "fraud protected" by buying a few games in quick succession and getting locked out? You know what would have fixed that? Ya that's right a shopping cart, a plain Jane nothing complicated shopping cart. Again the shopping cart is just an example of easy to show incompetence, but I'm more worried about how the whole thing is designed.
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I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
At this point, I'm willing to give Epic the benefit of the doubt the consumer base demands we gave crowdfunded devs. I'm not paying Epic to fund this store, so they deserve more leeway than any of these crowdfunding devs that have repeatedly revised timelines with disappointing progress to show.
That's why I don't understand the vitriol. This coming from the same group of gamers who will throw millions at a wish and a prayer that's delayed over and over and over.
I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
At this point, I'm willing to give Epic the benefit of the doubt the consumer base demands we gave crowdfunded devs. I'm not paying Epic to fund this store, so they deserve more leeway than any of these crowdfunding devs that have repeatedly revised timelines with disappointing progress to show.
That's why I don't understand the vitriol. This coming from the same group of gamers who will throw millions at a wish and a prayer that's delayed over and over and over.
Agreed, I'm not a kickstarter, project hopeful and will never be. I don't understand the concept. I don't understand donating to twitch streamers specifically ones that are already rich from sponsorship to begin with. It's after my time, I guess it's the cool thing to just throw money around? Not sure.
I'm with you on all that, but maybe me being a senior online systems programmer is what is creating the extreme bias against Epic. I know how long stuff takes, I know what is the right way to do it and I'm seeing none of that. If I was down to relocate and didn't just buy a house in my area. I'd apply and fix the shit, clearly they need help since they have over 10 career postings for the website alone.
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WTF is going on here? Is the entire forum experiencing a Prozac shortage?
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
At this point, I'm willing to give Epic the benefit of the doubt the consumer base demands we gave crowdfunded devs. I'm not paying Epic to fund this store, so they deserve more leeway than any of these crowdfunding devs that have repeatedly revised timelines with disappointing progress to show.
That's why I don't understand the vitriol. This coming from the same group of gamers who will throw millions at a wish and a prayer that's delayed over and over and over.
To be fair; crowd funding devs aren't setting up some sort of perpetual store front and continuously selling things.....no..wait..you're right; They are pretty much the same..
Kidding aside, whether you like or dislike the Epic store, it does not compete, feature-wise, with other popular store fronts at this time. Naturally, if people don't use/care about the various features available via other store fronts, then that's a non-issue for them. (For me) Maybe it'll get there eventually, but with the deep pockets they seem to have, it doesn't make sense for them to have released an inferior product. That's the part that confuses me. I don't see there was any reason for them to rush to market and release some "EA" version of a store front.
That's just my take on it though. I don't have hate for the store itself and it's nice they give out a couple free games a month. This sale seemed like a nice effort even if they potentially stumbled a bit with a few publishers. I don't tend to get games when they first come out so will see how the store is looking once I get around to Borderlands 3 or The Outer Worlds.
For those who picked up some good deals, and are enjoying the Epic store; More power to you. Glad you found a good value for your money.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
That makes no sense, mr. armchair senior online systems programmer.
...PHP cart system in 2019, juicy.
*edited to address you properly
It's called pseduo code though I know you nothing about that. It's used in workflows and explaining complex systems to clients in layman's terms.
Can't be an armchair when you live it for over 12yrs professionally...
If you think PHP is not relevant in 2019 you are sorely mistaken, 90% of my projects are PHP based and use Laravel the only biggest commercial framework used for online web systems around the world.
Get educated, don't look stupid.
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It's called pseduo code though I know you nothing about that. It's used in workflows and explaining complex systems to clients in layman's terms.
It's called pseduo code though I know you nothing about that. It's used in workflows and explaining complex systems to clients in layman's terms.
Can't be an armchair when you live it for over 12yrs professionally...
If you think PHP is not relevant in 2019 you are sorely mistaken, 90% of my projects are PHP based and use Laravel the only biggest commercial framework used for online web systems around the world.
I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
I take it you are referring to me. I'm not saying that a shopping cart shouldn't be implemented. I am saying that it is of low priority because there are more important things to implement first.
As I said above - just treat it as Early Access.
A Shopping Cart is on the list of features to be added and most of the features will be added this year. As far as priorities go mine would be getting publishers to add their games to the store so that a cart is actually needed! As it stands I doubt many people are purchasing multiple items at the same time.
Did you miss the news on the purchasers that were complaining they were getting "fraud protected" by buying a few games in quick succession and getting locked out? You know what would have fixed that? Ya that's right a shopping cart, a plain Jane nothing complicated shopping cart. Again the shopping cart is just an example of easy to show incompetence, but I'm more worried about how the whole thing is designed.
Nope I didn't. And no a shopping cart wouldn't necessarily have fixed it.
"Fraud protection" is triggered by "different behaviour". A new store has no established history and is different. People buying stuff from a new store is different. And so on. And why a shopping cart may not have stopped it is that the software can take the amount being spent into account.
Nor does "fraud protection" stop you buying stuff its just the card companies / banks doing what they can to look after customers and they will e.g. send you an SMS to verify the purchase. Hassle sure but I would rather have them err on the side of caution. Having a meltdown because you have been protected is anal.
You can make all sorts of things sound like a big deal; Steam being hacked for example - maybe because their customers weren't "fraud protected". Better buy from Epic right?
It's called pseduo code though I know you nothing about that. It's used in workflows and explaining complex systems to clients in layman's terms.
....had a good laugh
Ignorance is bliss and so is intelligence seemingly. Glad you stopped by to argue something about what I posted. I was feeling lonely it feels like it has been months.
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Hashbrick said: Glad you stopped by to argue something about what I posted.
...there is no point arguing with armchair w/e.
But keep explaining complex systems to "your clients" with algorithms that just make no sense
All you do is look for a reaction and post war, this shows by the ridiculous amount of posts you have. Keep on keeping on, I'm done here.
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I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
I take it you are referring to me. I'm not saying that a shopping cart shouldn't be implemented. I am saying that it is of low priority because there are more important things to implement first.
As I said above - just treat it as Early Access.
A Shopping Cart is on the list of features to be added and most of the features will be added this year. As far as priorities go mine would be getting publishers to add their games to the store so that a cart is actually needed! As it stands I doubt many people are purchasing multiple items at the same time.
Did you miss the news on the purchasers that were complaining they were getting "fraud protected" by buying a few games in quick succession and getting locked out? You know what would have fixed that? Ya that's right a shopping cart, a plain Jane nothing complicated shopping cart. Again the shopping cart is just an example of easy to show incompetence, but I'm more worried about how the whole thing is designed.
Nope I didn't. And no a shopping cart wouldn't necessarily have fixed it.
"Fraud protection" is triggered by "different behaviour". A new store has no established history and is different. People buying stuff from a new store is different. And so on. And why a shopping cart may not have stopped it is that the software can take the amount being spent into account.
Nor does "fraud protection" stop you buying stuff its just the card companies / banks doing what they can to look after customers and they will e.g. send you an SMS to verify the purchase. Hassle sure but I would rather have them err on the side of caution. Having a meltdown because you have been protected is anal.
You can make all sorts of things sound like a big deal; Steam being hacked for example - maybe because their customers weren't "fraud protected". Better buy from Epic right?
Correct fraud protection is triggered by behavior. Epic's was triggered by number of orders in quick succession, which means it was Epic's check and Epic's stop gap before they had to deal with the payment processor. I'm sure it was used to decrease issues with possible cases their would have to resolve and possible drawback of charge backs in the result of it. Pure speculation on the reasoning of course but that would make the most sense to me.
The only reason I say the cart would have helped, is the customer could have added all they wanted in the cart and paid in one purchase never triggering Epic's check, if it was fraud at that point, that would be up to the payment processor to figure that out.
It's just a rocky start that could have been avoided had they not rushed everything, I'm not sure why the rush to begin with.
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I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
At this point, I'm willing to give Epic the benefit of the doubt the consumer base demands we gave crowdfunded devs. I'm not paying Epic to fund this store, so they deserve more leeway than any of these crowdfunding devs that have repeatedly revised timelines with disappointing progress to show.
That's why I don't understand the vitriol. This coming from the same group of gamers who will throw millions at a wish and a prayer that's delayed over and over and over.
Agreed, I'm not a kickstarter, project hopeful and will never be. I don't understand the concept. I don't understand donating to twitch streamers specifically ones that are already rich from sponsorship to begin with. It's after my time, I guess it's the cool thing to just throw money around? Not sure.
I'm with you on all that, but maybe me being a senior online systems programmer is what is creating the extreme bias against Epic. I know how long stuff takes, I know what is the right way to do it and I'm seeing none of that. If I was down to relocate and didn't just buy a house in my area. I'd apply and fix the shit, clearly they need help since they have over 10 career postings for the website alone.
Of course, but my issue with the entire Epic debacle isn't with folks like you going "huh, a shopping cart seems like a basic necessity, why wasn't it already completed?"
It's folks who can't relegate criticism to only valid complaints or factual critiques, but instead fear-monger, exaggerate, or fallaciously argue for the idea that gamers should be pitchfork and torches over this. Those folks draw my ire and my response in this subject, normally.
I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
At this point, I'm willing to give Epic the benefit of the doubt the consumer base demands we gave crowdfunded devs. I'm not paying Epic to fund this store, so they deserve more leeway than any of these crowdfunding devs that have repeatedly revised timelines with disappointing progress to show.
That's why I don't understand the vitriol. This coming from the same group of gamers who will throw millions at a wish and a prayer that's delayed over and over and over.
Agreed, I'm not a kickstarter, project hopeful and will never be. I don't understand the concept. I don't understand donating to twitch streamers specifically ones that are already rich from sponsorship to begin with. It's after my time, I guess it's the cool thing to just throw money around? Not sure.
I'm with you on all that, but maybe me being a senior online systems programmer is what is creating the extreme bias against Epic. I know how long stuff takes, I know what is the right way to do it and I'm seeing none of that. If I was down to relocate and didn't just buy a house in my area. I'd apply and fix the shit, clearly they need help since they have over 10 career postings for the website alone.
Of course, but my issue with the entire Epic debacle isn't with folks like you going "huh, a shopping cart seems like a basic necessity, why wasn't it already completed?"
It's folks who can't relegate criticism to only valid complaints or factual critiques, but instead fear-monger, exaggerate, or fallaciously argue for the idea that gamers should be pitchfork and torches over this. Those folks draw my ire and my response in this subject, normally.
Fair point. I don't think it should be "burn it down" more like "proceed with caution".
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I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
I take it you are referring to me. I'm not saying that a shopping cart shouldn't be implemented. I am saying that it is of low priority because there are more important things to implement first.
As I said above - just treat it as Early Access.
A Shopping Cart is on the list of features to be added and most of the features will be added this year. As far as priorities go mine would be getting publishers to add their games to the store so that a cart is actually needed! As it stands I doubt many people are purchasing multiple items at the same time.
Did you miss the news on the purchasers that were complaining they were getting "fraud protected" by buying a few games in quick succession and getting locked out? You know what would have fixed that? Ya that's right a shopping cart, a plain Jane nothing complicated shopping cart. Again the shopping cart is just an example of easy to show incompetence, but I'm more worried about how the whole thing is designed.
Or, you know, changing a setting that would have taken 2 minutes to approve and change instead of a couple of days, to implement and go through code review, QA and the other usual crap that goes along with working in a company with other people. Sure, they were shortsighted about how their anti-fraud features were set up but that doesn't mean that they need to implement a mostly-useless feature before they have stabilized their core functionality.
Or, you know, changing a setting that would have taken 2 minutes to approve and change instead of a couple of days, to implement and go through code review, QA and the other usual crap that goes along with working in a company with other people. Sure, they were shortsighted about how their anti-fraud features were set up but that doesn't mean that they need to implement a mostly-useless feature before they have stabilized their core functionality.
That's kind of the worst defense of the Epic store I've seen so far.
I have one simple statement that sums up Epic store. No cart system. If they can't be arsed to build a simple cart system for their own store then what the hell else are they skimping on? Zero confidence, I forsee some sort of issue to come out of this. Something major like a data breach that will fuck over all the customers. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole.
They don't have it there because it is virtually useless and therefore - low priority.
Virtually useless, is that a joke? when every other online store out there has one, and there are issues with EGS triggering anti fraud measures because of it, something that is so simple and cheap to implement that nobody thinks twice about having it in their online stores in the first place, yeah, sure it is. If Epic are literally giving away millions in discounts then all i can say that it beggars belief that they would skimp on something so basic that they are looking like incompetent fools, which based on their lack of communication with the developers/publishers of the games in question, of which so many were withdrawn during the 'sale' seems pretty much par for the course when it comes to Epic, they seriously need to hire someone who knows what they are doing to fix their store, because right now, their reputation is shot.
They aren't skimping, they just haven't added it. It's scheduled to be added, just like every other feature people have been bitching about.
In B4 "HOW DARE THEY RELEASE A STORE WITHOUT A DECADE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND BUG FIXES ALREADY COMPLETED?!?!?!?!!"
You don't think that should be the first thing that should be developed when... iunno you open a digital store? An idiot selling their aesthetic dog leash has a fuckin cart system for their one item. It shows how amateur the whole thing is, is the EPIC store made by interns? I make cart systems, they take literally 4hrs to make depending on how crazy indepth they are, but something simple like add/remove keep a cart session, that's easy web programming 101. That is what scares me, if a cart system isn't #1, what else isn't #1?!?
Oh I definitely think it is. But their not prioritizing it is not the same as their skimping or not adding it.
They have always planned on adding it. Why it wasn't something they planned to add as one of the first items, I don't know. I feel it's a small item that should've been one of the first.
I'm just not using that to jump on the hate train and earn my conductor's hat.
Well at least you agree it should have been, that I can accept. The others saying it shouldn't be, that's where I draw the line.
I take it you are referring to me. I'm not saying that a shopping cart shouldn't be implemented. I am saying that it is of low priority because there are more important things to implement first.
As I said above - just treat it as Early Access.
A Shopping Cart is on the list of features to be added and most of the features will be added this year. As far as priorities go mine would be getting publishers to add their games to the store so that a cart is actually needed! As it stands I doubt many people are purchasing multiple items at the same time.
Did you miss the news on the purchasers that were complaining they were getting "fraud protected" by buying a few games in quick succession and getting locked out? You know what would have fixed that? Ya that's right a shopping cart, a plain Jane nothing complicated shopping cart. Again the shopping cart is just an example of easy to show incompetence, but I'm more worried about how the whole thing is designed.
Or, you know, changing a setting that would have taken 2 minutes to approve and change instead of a couple of days, to implement and go through code review, QA and the other usual crap that goes along with working in a company with other people. Sure, they were shortsighted about how their anti-fraud features were set up but that doesn't mean that they need to implement a mostly-useless feature before they have stabilized their core functionality.
I will agree that they could have made other preparations/had other options to deal with the situation. But I'll agree to disagree that a cart system is useless. I see a cart system as core to any shopping platform. I think that's where we see things differently, our expectations are different.
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All you do is look for a reaction and post war, this shows by the ridiculous amount of posts you have. Keep on keeping on, I'm done here.
Forgive him. He is jealous that some people have actual opinions and a real job.
Ha, I'm sure he's fond of the stat of being 80% of the total of my "LOL" points.
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A Shopping Cart is on the list of features to be added and most of the features will be added this year. As far as priorities go mine would be getting publishers to add their games to the store so that a cart is actually needed! As it stands I doubt many people are purchasing multiple items at the same time.
That's why I don't understand the vitriol. This coming from the same group of gamers who will throw millions at a wish and a prayer that's delayed over and over and over.
...PHP cart system in 2019, juicy.
*edited to address you properly
I'm with you on all that, but maybe me being a senior online systems programmer is what is creating the extreme bias against Epic. I know how long stuff takes, I know what is the right way to do it and I'm seeing none of that. If I was down to relocate and didn't just buy a house in my area. I'd apply and fix the shit, clearly they need help since they have over 10 career postings for the website alone.
Kidding aside, whether you like or dislike the Epic store, it does not compete, feature-wise, with other popular store fronts at this time. Naturally, if people don't use/care about the various features available via other store fronts, then that's a non-issue for them. (For me) Maybe it'll get there eventually, but with the deep pockets they seem to have, it doesn't make sense for them to have released an inferior product. That's the part that confuses me. I don't see there was any reason for them to rush to market and release some "EA" version of a store front.
That's just my take on it though. I don't have hate for the store itself and it's nice they give out a couple free games a month. This sale seemed like a nice effort even if they potentially stumbled a bit with a few publishers. I don't tend to get games when they first come out so will see how the store is looking once I get around to Borderlands 3 or The Outer Worlds.
For those who picked up some good deals, and are enjoying the Epic store; More power to you. Glad you found a good value for your money.
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If you think PHP is not relevant in 2019 you are sorely mistaken, 90% of my projects are PHP based and use Laravel the only biggest commercial framework used for online web systems around the world.
Get educated, don't look stupid.
"Fraud protection" is triggered by "different behaviour". A new store has no established history and is different. People buying stuff from a new store is different. And so on. And why a shopping cart may not have stopped it is that the software can take the amount being spent into account.
Nor does "fraud protection" stop you buying stuff its just the card companies / banks doing what they can to look after customers and they will e.g. send you an SMS to verify the purchase. Hassle sure but I would rather have them err on the side of caution. Having a meltdown because you have been protected is anal.
You can make all sorts of things sound like a big deal; Steam being hacked for example - maybe because their customers weren't "fraud protected". Better buy from Epic right?
But keep explaining complex systems to "your clients" with algorithms that just make no sense
The only reason I say the cart would have helped, is the customer could have added all they wanted in the cart and paid in one purchase never triggering Epic's check, if it was fraud at that point, that would be up to the payment processor to figure that out.
It's just a rocky start that could have been avoided had they not rushed everything, I'm not sure why the rush to begin with.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/It's folks who can't relegate criticism to only valid complaints or factual critiques, but instead fear-monger, exaggerate, or fallaciously argue for the idea that gamers should be pitchfork and torches over this. Those folks draw my ire and my response in this subject, normally.
He is jealous that some people have actual opinions and a real job.