Well no shit, what motivation would he have to draw a line in the sand, get a deliverable product and then worry about expanding it when his income is still somehow trending up. I know I wouldn't care about pushing anything out the door when the money tree is still growing ripe and strong without doing more than showing a tech demo.
Oh oh... it's that time of the year where the 90DaysTop crew assembles the hate-wagon to preach their prayers...
Just about time where the backers draws another circle of love...
Here's to another ,almost full, year of space fun and prosperity!
And remember, if it was easy, someone else would have made it by now!
Huge schemes that take in millions or billions of dollars and give nothing or next to nothing in return aren't new. Your charts don't demonstrate that SC will be a good game, or that it will ever even release in a complete state. All they indicate is that there are a tremendous number of people willing to potentially throw their money away based on someone else's promises, with no guarantee of any reasonable return.
Didn't the original kickstarter claim the game would take two years and $2 million USD? Here we are eight years later and $300 million plus with no end in sight. Chris Roberts should be embarrassed, but he doesn't seem to have any shame.
I guess you have to give him credit in a way, though - how many people could get away with their project taking 4x longer (and counting) and being 150x more expensive than originally promised?
Didn't the original kickstarter claim the game would take two years and $2 million USD? Here we are eight years later and $300 million plus with no end in sight. Chris Roberts should be embarrassed, but he doesn't seem to have any shame.
I guess you have to give him credit in a way, though - how many people could get away with their project taking 4x longer (and counting) and being 150x more expensive than originally promised?
When he's feeling embarrassed or down about the whole thing, he just looks at his bank account, and suddenly, everything is OK.
Didn't the original kickstarter claim the game would take two years and $2 million USD? Here we are eight years later and $300 million plus with no end in sight. Chris Roberts should be embarrassed, but he doesn't seem to have any shame.
I guess you have to give him credit in a way, though - how many people could get away with their project taking 4x longer (and counting) and being 150x more expensive than originally promised?
As of 3 years ago his brother was making over $300k USD a year. One can only imagine what Chris is paying himself and his wife.
Edit to add: Found 2018 numbers and his (Erin’s) salary went to to $330k USD. 2019 numbers should be out any day now.
Edit 2: Those numbers are just from the UK based spin off supposedly working on SQ42. Erin is also on the Board of the main Cloud Imperium so likely gets compensated there as well. Would be interesting to see.
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I want to be snarky, but at this point, the fruit hangs pretty low.
Same, but then you have to figure one of the cadre would jump up to take it on the chin for them. I was not wrong.
Is he the one with the "White Knight" profile pic?
That is a big help I must admit. We could do with troll posters having famous gaming troll avatars like Grog from DOS. I do note some of our PvP fans rather help point the way with their names and avatars like Bloodaxe and BCBully.
Back to the 'it makes money, it must be a good game' palavar. As opposed to them not being able to deliver 1/3 of a single player game that they claimed they could make for $20 million 6 years ago.
Huge schemes that take in millions or billions of dollars and give nothing or next to nothing in return aren't new. Your charts don't demonstrate that SC will be a good game, or that it will ever even release in a complete state. All they indicate is that there are a tremendous number of people willing to potentially throw their money away based on someone else's promises, with no guarantee of any reasonable return.
Money is a consequence of having people enjoying your game enough to pay for it.
A simple and clear correlation of having an increase of player engagement in your game and the growth of funding as a consequence.
As much as it pains haters and cynics, they are only but a very small minority in the gaming world. There are still plenty of gamers who haven't lost the ability to immerse themselves playing video-games and enjoying it with friends and foes until the long hours of the dawn.
And that's why Star Citizen will just keep on growing, breaking funding and player records. Rinse & Repeat!
PS - Obligatory recomendation of NOT buying Star Citizen if you want a polished and finished gaming experience along with a gameplay PVP video to scare people off doing so.
No one is doubting Christ Roberts ability to suck money from the community, so boasting about how much money has been sunk into this golden turd isn't really a beneficial argument. From what I've seen, there's definitely not $300+ million worth of game being shown, not even close.
For someone who buy's games and doesn't even playing them, like it seems most steam users do, why would someone like that berate people buying into a game they actively play and enjoy?
Isn't it kind of a hypocrite move to attack people for spending money on a game they enjoy while at the same time spending money on a huge backlog of games you'll never get to play?
No one is doubting Christ Roberts ability to suck money from the community, so boasting about how much money has been sunk into this golden turd isn't really a beneficial argument. From what I've seen, there's definitely not $300+ million worth of game being shown, not even close.
Haven't you admited to buying games and not even playing them, isin't that what most of steam users do though? Why would someone like that berate people buying into the game they actively play lol
For the same reason people like to berate others who don’t share their opinion of a certain product? I know, I think its crazy too.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Jesus Babuinix is so damn predictable now. His defense of the game is one of the following in no order...
* Post graphs about how much Star Shitizen made * Post videos of Star Shitizen * Post twitch views * Compare Star Shitizen delay to other RELEASED delayed game that did not delay as long as this game * Talk about how everyone who hates on Star Shitizen simply are mad that they don't like games anymore * Post emojis to hide his true pain and sadness * Talk about how hard game development, specifically this game because its doing so much that no other game is doing... (Won't mention similar games like No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous, Dual Universe, ect.) * Lastly, once he has you off topic it then just becomes a back and forth trolling war. This one is key as once he gets you here he has completed his objective of derailing the actual topic.
You never see him stay on topic, instead he tries his hardest to derail whatever the discussion is. Oh there is another delay? Let me throw this content creators staged video in of people having so much "fun"! Talk of release date not in sight? Oh look Star Shitizen just conned more idiots of their money! Rinse, repeat
Jesus Babuinix is so damn predictable now. His defense of the game
Defence lol? Does that mean it's being attacked in the first place?
The ones wasting time attacking the people who have fun playing games because they've become to disillusioned and bitter with video-games are imo the only idiots in the equation because they are ultimately wasting time in something they cant control lol
As the mighty Pirate Burkeonce said "Nobody Cares!"
Unfortunately that's what most people who have nothing else end up doing when they get disillusioned with gaming, going around being bitter and cynical like if it was a hobby.
Oh wel...You do you guys, we'll just keep on having a blast!
Jesus Babuinix is so damn predictable now. His defense of the game
Defence lol? Does that mean it's being attacked in the first place?
The ones wasting time attacking the people who have fun playing games because they've become to disillusioned and bitter with video-games are imo the only idiots in the equation because they are ultimately wasting time in something they cant control lol
As the mighty Pirate Burkeonce said "Nobody Cares!"
Unfortunately that's what most people who have nothing else end up doing when they get disillusioned with gaming, going around being bitter and cynical like if it was a hobby.
Oh wel...You do you guys, we'll just keep on having a blast!
You keep derailing the topic though, he definitely has a point.
A hint, its about fans being frustrated with SQ42 progress and CR responding to them. You are posting stats of a different game, are having fun in another game, are talking about something different altogether in a feeble and clumsily put together effort to divert attention from the actual topic.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Some game industry visionaries seem to be really bad at realizing when they should focus on game design and let other people lead/manage.
Maybe it's just the inherent nature of the artist - no work is ever complete or ever perfected, which leads to projects dragging on for years beyond where they should.
-- Whammy - a 64x64 miniRPG - RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right? - FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
You keep derailing the topic though, he definitely has a point. A hint, its about fans being frustrated with SQ42 progress and CR responding to them. You are posting stats of a different game, are having fun in another game, are talking about something different altogether in a feeble and clumsily put together effort to divert attention from the actual topic.
I'm not derailing anything, and no he has no point because like most he has no interest in the game and it's only using it to fuel negativity and cynicism as an escape.
Fans being frustrated is one thing, we get it lot of gamers are dreaming about this games for a lot of years and they have nothing else to play BUT it's no reason to attack it's backers who have no problem patiently support the game and have fun with it right now.
Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are interlinked, one can't exists without the other and vice versa. One has a playable build the other is in active development, that's it. There's nothing you can do besides moving on to something else or patiently waiting if you want a game of this kind, specially because, even after 8 years there are still no viable alternatives in the market.
It's your problem to deal with, if you can't handle the wait or get frustrated it's not with toxic forum posting that you'll feel less angry, actually it will only make you feel more angry as your negativity will get fuel from it and continuously impact your judgement and fire your obsession about the game.
Time to move on I'd say, people enjoying the game will just keep on doing it and the game will keep on being developed either way. Nothing of relevancy you can do about it.
You keep derailing the topic though, he definitely has a point. A hint, its about fans being frustrated with SQ42 progress and CR responding to them. You are posting stats of a different game, are having fun in another game, are talking about something different altogether in a feeble and clumsily put together effort to divert attention from the actual topic.
I'm not derailing anything, and no he has no point because like most he has no interest in the game and it's only using it to fuel negativity and cynicism as an escape.
Fans being frustrated is one thing, we get it lot of gamers are dreaming about this games for a lot of years and they have nothing else to play BUT it's no reason to attack it's backers who have no problem patiently support the game and have fun with it right now.
Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are interlinked, one can't exists without the other and vice versa. One has a playable build the other is in active development, that's it. There's nothing you can do besides moving on to something else or patiently waiting if you want a game of this kind, specially because, even after 8 years there are still no viable alternatives in the market.
It's your problem to deal with, if you can't handle the wait or get frustrated it's not with toxic forum posting that you'll feel less angry, actually it will only make you feel more angry as your negativity will get fuel from it and continuously impact your judgement and fire your obsession about the game.
Time to move on I'd say, people enjoying the game will just keep on doing it and the game will keep on being developed either way. Nothing of relevancy you can do about it.
Perhaps CIG shouldn’t have been giving dates as to when to expect something? I don’t get why you put that self inflicted harm on the fans, they didn’t set themselves up for this, they were promised something at a certain date, several times already, and CIG failed to deliver on that promise.
I do find it ironic that you say something about toxic forum posting though, you ridicule and try to shut down everybody who doesn’t share “the vision tm.”
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Perhaps CIG shouldn’t have been giving dates as to when to expect something? I don’t get why you put that self inflicted harm on the fans, they didn’t set themselves up for this, they were promised something at a certain date, several times already, and CIG failed to deliver on that promise.
I do find it ironic that you say something about toxic forum posting though, you ridicule and try to shut down everybody who doesn’t share “the vision tm.”
Oh my are we dealing with children now? Don't adults have the capacity to understand that ETA's, like plans and subject to change all the time, specially in a trade like Game Development where delays are the norm.
Haven't you been paying attention? Have you noticed how many games from indie to AAA studios keep changing their plans and ETA's along the years?
Shouldn't the gamers be able to understand changes of scope and realise that intentions are not promises, ETA's are ballpark guesses based on incomplete information.
We know why some don't want to understand this simple concept, because they rather have an excuse to be angry, that's all it is, a way to vent their frustrations with gaming and life in general.
“As a reminder, Squadron 42 was announced for release in 2014 during the Kickstarter campaign. Squadron 42 has seen multiple delays since then with Roberts continuing in his AMA response,”
Bam
As a reminder, original scope changed mid-2014 for two triple-A, approved by pools and never ending backers approval through new backers at every quarter with funds keeping in, best year being 2020.
I’m an original backer and never agreed with the change in scope. I must have missed that email.
Same, I was following along pretty close. Not saying it didn't happen but if they had emailed me as often as I get these "updates" I would have voted no to feature creep. Add it later.
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Also a new mini survival game about helping Chris survive prison,
As opposed to them not being able to deliver 1/3 of a single player game that they claimed they could make for $20 million 6 years ago.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I guess you have to give him credit in a way, though - how many people could get away with their project taking 4x longer (and counting) and being 150x more expensive than originally promised?
Edit to add: Found 2018 numbers and his (Erin’s) salary went to to $330k USD. 2019 numbers should be out any day now.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Different game AND different subject then the topic.
And this isn’t the 90 days meme, its the SQ42 Beta Q3 2020 meme. Try to keep up with the rest please.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
* Post graphs about how much Star Shitizen made
* Post videos of Star Shitizen
* Post twitch views
* Compare Star Shitizen delay to other RELEASED delayed game that did not delay as long as this game
* Talk about how everyone who hates on Star Shitizen simply are mad that they don't like games anymore
* Post emojis to hide his true pain and sadness
* Talk about how hard game development, specifically this game because its doing so much that no other game is doing... (Won't mention similar games like No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous, Dual Universe, ect.)
* Lastly, once he has you off topic it then just becomes a back and forth trolling war. This one is key as once he gets you here he has completed his objective of derailing the actual topic.
You never see him stay on topic, instead he tries his hardest to derail whatever the discussion is. Oh there is another delay? Let me throw this content creators staged video in of people having so much "fun"! Talk of release date not in sight? Oh look Star Shitizen just conned more idiots of their money! Rinse, repeat
A hint, its about fans being frustrated with SQ42 progress and CR responding to them. You are posting stats of a different game, are having fun in another game, are talking about something different altogether in a feeble and clumsily put together effort to divert attention from the actual topic.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Maybe it's just the inherent nature of the artist - no work is ever complete or ever perfected, which leads to projects dragging on for years beyond where they should.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
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