The numbers are still relatively good, considering the substantial backlash the game has received for admitted managerial missteps on the marketing and release of Cyberpunk 2077.
What's this?! Relatively good? 13 mil copies sold and you call it ... relatively good?
I GET IT, it seems mmorpg.com is very against Cyberpunk 2077. Did they break you a leg or something? Is fine if you PERSONALLY feel .."betrayed" by CDPR, but as an "News Writer", please try being..neutral.
Repeat after me : Cyberpunk 2077 is THE fastest selling game in the history and 13 million copies sold, while the game is out for like ..2 weeks, is AMAZING!
Thanks!
Repeat after me.. Cyberpunk 2077 was the first game pulled from the playstation store before hitting two weeks. Fastest selling and fastest refunded it seems.
I like the game, to think it's nothing but roses is shortsighted and ridiculous. The game deserves the criticism.
I love me some Panam, Judy is overrated. Im on PC and I haven't run into to many groundbreaking issues so far as last gen. I think CDPR show have launch the last gen console CP 2077 later when they finish iron bugs out on last gen consoles.
Agree, it's hard not to love Panam. One of my favorite characters/love interests in a game. Judy was cool but she is way overrated.
They could have sold 7 billion copies and still wouldn't change the fact that they didn't deliver any of the key systems they promised.
AI is beyond dumb - they talked about advanced AI so much, everyone just bee lines for you or just stand there taking shots like morons
There are no huge branching storylines - the game is largely a linear action game and is very light on RPG elements. The 6 endings are very closely related and happen near the end, so no early game choices have much impact at all.
The 3 origins life paths converge into the same main path after 20 minutes - so 3 entirely different playthroughs was a complete lie
Cars handle like shit
The gunplay is super basic
NPCs were supposed to have 1000 routines they could do in game... but what we got was empty shells just aimlessly walking the streets
The weather system was supposed to have major impact on gameplay
Advanced crime system with bounties and police chases- we got police spawning out of thin air...unable to even chase you in cars, lol ,after a block they give up and forget you did anything, its beyond a joke
They touted this as a deep open world RPG- you can't even change your hairstyle in game, can't decorate your apartment or buy a new house. Can't edit your vehicle.
Crafting is a complete afterthought, was supposed to be super deep and major part of the game, what happened?
Extremely limited interactivity with the game world - if you go off the beaten path so many locked and blocked doors, can't even enter most buildings.
You can do side missions where you kill an npc before the main story line and they are alive without explanation later in the main storyline... continuity problems like that are an issue when you do side content before the main questline. Like characters you've met before in a side mission act as if they've never seen you before later in main mission. Its pretty immersion breaking
The entire nudity in character creation penis size customization was all done for publicity- it has zero impact on gameplay, litteraly doesn't matter at all
The game has 4 romance options total, in actual gameplay only 2 after you select male or female... one being straight and one gay, total letdown
Outside of excellent visuals (best feature of the game if you have the hardware to crank up RTX) the game feels rushed and unfinished, with so many major features cut out completely.
The whole thing feels like it was 6months to a year too early
Could have easily been a 9/10 RPG, but instead we got a 7/10 mostly mediocre action GTA wannabe rpg-lite
Its like you're reading my mind.
After all the years and the hype and broken promises, we get a linear action adventure. Not to mention Night City, which should be one of the main actors, is just a back drop and feels completely dead. A gorgeous dead back drop.
You mention everything that needed to be mentioned. Im playing the game, becuase the main gameplay is kinda fun and i wanna see how it ends, but even the main story is lazy.
The numbers are still relatively good, considering the substantial backlash the game has received for admitted managerial missteps on the marketing and release of Cyberpunk 2077.
What's this?! Relatively good? 13 mil copies sold and you call it ... relatively good?
I GET IT, it seems mmorpg.com is very against Cyberpunk 2077. Did they break you a leg or something? Is fine if you PERSONALLY feel .."betrayed" by CDPR, but as an "News Writer", please try being..neutral.
Repeat after me : Cyberpunk 2077 is THE fastest selling game in the history and 13 million copies sold, while the game is out for like ..2 weeks, is AMAZING!
Thanks!
Repeat after me.. Cyberpunk 2077 was the first game pulled from the playstation store before hitting two weeks. Fastest selling and fastest refunded it seems.
I like the game, to think it's nothing but roses is shortsighted and ridiculous. The game deserves the criticism.
Wait what?!
Did I said it doesn't deserve criticism, especially for old-gen consoles?
But that doesn't mean the 13 mil sales can be called "relatively good". THAT is the problem.
But then again, hater's gonna hate. And yes, I feel sorry for PS4/XboX1 players who can't play the game as it was advertised, but what we do with PC players? Fuck them right? Even if "relatively", on PC, the game runs good, with far less bugs than on old-gen consoles.
Hence, 7+ score on most of the PC review sites.
Bashing the game as a whole, is as wrong as being racist because of "the other half". More then half of that sales, are on PC, but somehow, mmorpg.com and some "tryhards" from here, ignores that, and keep on with their crusade.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
But that doesn't mean the 13 mil sales can be called "relatively good". THAT is the problem.
Actually that is exactly what it should be called. Relatively good. It's relative to the refunds and other issues it's experienced. Had it not had the issues it has now, it could have been called very good. Sales went the wrong way, 13 million after a few weeks is good, sure, but refunds are still pouring in.
13 million sales for an RPG is utterly insane. We don't have refund figures, which could seriously offset that, but you basically have to be a top tier Nintendo franchise to top those kinds of numbers.
I love me some Panam, Judy is overrated. Im on PC and I haven't run into to many groundbreaking issues so far as last gen. I think CDPR show have launch the last gen console CP 2077 later when they finish iron bugs out on last gen consoles.
Agree, it's hard not to love Panam. One of my favorite characters/love interests in a game. Judy was cool but she is way overrated.
Even without the love interest bit, Panam is one the most fully realized game characters I have ever run into. She is very, very well scripted and acted with an appropriate voice and subtle changes in facial expressions. There are just zero cliches in her portrayal and yet she's absolutely recognizable as a credible post-holocaust nomad.
There's a scene where I'm being celebrated by Saul standing on the back of a truck and she's facing me at the front of the crowd. Someone makes a crack about Panam and V and she just rolls her eyes and says nothing. That eye roll was rendered perfectly even from that distance.
And then on top of the technical details that make her feel like a living, feeling human being, she has an awesome impulsive personality and a commanding presence.
Best video game character ever, IMO.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I still think 13 million in a week or so is really good sales. Considering the backlash it has received and the refunds they have had to make. The refunds have probably not stopped though there are still much more to come for sure. Yet still, good sales which are also not done with more sales to come. I mean it is no GTA V which sold over 11 million in it's first 24 hours and has gone on to sell 130 million copies and growing but considering the heat they have taken? Good for the development team who worked hard on this for a long time.
GTA V is mostly played for the multiplayer since it's basically an MMO now. I think 13 million is pretty good. Obviously not what they wanted but I think once they fix things the sales will remain steady (not 13 million in a week steady) for the next year or so. I've got almost 50 hours in so far and apart from some bugs and graphical issues (all of which were fixed after reloading) I'm having a blast so far with a lot more to go (only level 22 and half way through the story). So far I'm enjoying this more than I did any of the Witcher games.
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I love me some Panam, Judy is overrated. Im on PC and I haven't run into to many groundbreaking issues so far as last gen. I think CDPR show have launch the last gen console CP 2077 later when they finish iron bugs out on last gen consoles.
Agree, it's hard not to love Panam. One of my favorite characters/love interests in a game. Judy was cool but she is way overrated.
Best video game character ever, IMO.
That.....is a very bold statement.
It is indeed considering the 100s of games I have played. Some recency bias on my part no doubt, but she is an absolutely awesome video game character who ironically, is much less CP2077ish than any other major character in the game.
The nomads are more fallout than cyberpunk and she would fit right in that universe.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I love me some Panam, Judy is overrated. Im on PC and I haven't run into to many groundbreaking issues so far as last gen. I think CDPR show have launch the last gen console CP 2077 later when they finish iron bugs out on last gen consoles.
Agree, it's hard not to love Panam. One of my favorite characters/love interests in a game. Judy was cool but she is way overrated.
Best video game character ever, IMO.
That.....is a very bold statement.
Its a laughable statement
Laughable is your pathetic obsession and campaign to dis every single aspect of the game.
Your credibility on the subject is zero and that's before even remembering that you were Kano's sock puppet in the Archeage NA release days who posted in the same threads as Kano and even defended "his" opinions in the 3rd person lol.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
But that doesn't mean the 13 mil sales can be called "relatively good". THAT is the problem.
Actually that is exactly what it should be called. Relatively good. It's relative to the refunds and other issues it's experienced. Had it not had the issues it has now, it could have been called very good. Sales went the wrong way, 13 million after a few weeks is good, sure, but refunds are still pouring in.
You are acting like refunds will happen "in the millions" , /facepalm .
Sales went the wrong way you say, then ( you again ) say 13 mils in few weeks ( 2 weeks that is ) is good. /secondfacepalm
But that doesn't mean the 13 mil sales can be called "relatively good". THAT is the problem.
Actually that is exactly what it should be called. Relatively good. It's relative to the refunds and other issues it's experienced. Had it not had the issues it has now, it could have been called very good. Sales went the wrong way, 13 million after a few weeks is good, sure, but refunds are still pouring in.
True points. Adding to that, the refunds counted in that figure are those done by CDPR themselves that does not include those done from other sources. That matters because those numbers could be much larger than some think.
Crymeariver.
Wake me up when a game is refunded "in the millions".
Even if there will be 1 more million in..refunds, that will still be 12 million sales, with 4 millions in the last 2 ( !! ) weeks.
Carry on!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
13 million sales for an RPG is utterly insane. We don't have refund figures, which could seriously offset that, but you basically have to be a top tier Nintendo franchise to top those kinds of numbers.
Calling Cyberpunk 2077 RPG is a stretch IMO, it was supposed to be an RPG sure, but what we got is more akin to linear action game with some light RPG elements.
Most people are playing it like a GTA game
Okay. 13 million is insane for a game that sells itself as an RPG.
But that doesn't mean the 13 mil sales can be called "relatively good". THAT is the problem.
Actually that is exactly what it should be called. Relatively good. It's relative to the refunds and other issues it's experienced. Had it not had the issues it has now, it could have been called very good. Sales went the wrong way, 13 million after a few weeks is good, sure, but refunds are still pouring in.
You are acting like refunds will happen "in the millions" , /facepalm .
Sales went the wrong way you say, then ( you again ) say 13 mils in few weeks ( 2 weeks that is ) is good. /secondfacepalm
But that doesn't mean the 13 mil sales can be called "relatively good". THAT is the problem.
Actually that is exactly what it should be called. Relatively good. It's relative to the refunds and other issues it's experienced. Had it not had the issues it has now, it could have been called very good. Sales went the wrong way, 13 million after a few weeks is good, sure, but refunds are still pouring in.
True points. Adding to that, the refunds counted in that figure are those done by CDPR themselves that does not include those done from other sources. That matters because those numbers could be much larger than some think.
Crymeariver.
Wake me up when a game is refunded "in the millions".
Even if there will be 1 more million in..refunds, that will still be 12 million sales, with 4 millions in the last 2 ( !! ) weeks.
Carry on!
You act like you know how many refunds were requested. You don't.
You act like you know how many sales they forfeited by Sony pulling the game. You don't.
You're fanning hard for the game so you argue semantics of the word relative. Either you don't understand the word or you're willfully ignoring its definition. Which one of those two people would you prefer to be?
The real question isn't how much the game sold. It's how much the game sold compared to what it was expected to sell. The information we need is what number the investors realistically wanted to reach.
The real question isn't how much the game sold. It's how much the game sold compared to what it was expected to sell. The information we need is what number the investors realistically wanted to reach.
16-28 million units in the first month. They did 13 million in the first 10 days of that month. They want 30 million in its first year.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
The real question isn't how much the game sold. It's how much the game sold compared to what it was expected to sell. The information we need is what number the investors realistically wanted to reach.
16-28 million units in the first month. They did 13 million in the first 10 days of that month. They want 30 million in its first year.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
So what's the read on that? While 13 million is a huge number, it is small compared to those expectations.
We need to keep in mind that most game sales occur at the point of launch, while these are also the most valuable sales, as they are at full price.
We must also not underestimate the impact that bad word of mouth, controversy, and being flat out removed from an entire platform will have on the long tail that they are counting on to more than double its sales over the next year.
The real question isn't how much the game sold. It's how much the game sold compared to what it was expected to sell. The information we need is what number the investors realistically wanted to reach.
16-28 million units in the first month. They did 13 million in the first 10 days of that month. They want 30 million in its first year.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
So what's the read on that? While 13 million is a huge number, it is small compared to those expectations.
We need to keep in mind that most game sales occur at the point of launch, while these are also the most valuable sales, as they are at full price.
We must also not underestimate the impact that bad word of mouth, controversy, and being flat out removed from an entire platform will have on the long tail that they are counting on to more than double its sales over the next year.
Agree. And not. 13 million in 10 days means you have 21 days left to sell at least 3 million with Christmas in sight. And although the game has been removed from the PS store it is pretty safe to assume it will be back within a year creating a significant surge in sales. And I am not even talking about the boost that the official New Gen release will bring which will surely happen in the coming eleven months. We’ll see what happens, calling it a disaster or not good seems like a stretch for now.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I love me some Panam, Judy is overrated. Im on PC and I haven't run into to many groundbreaking issues so far as last gen. I think CDPR show have launch the last gen console CP 2077 later when they finish iron bugs out on last gen consoles.
Agree, it's hard not to love Panam. One of my favorite characters/love interests in a game. Judy was cool but she is way overrated.
Eh I like Panam as a character didn't pursue her as a romantic interest though went for Kerry unfortunately after the romance it fell pretty flat. It's unfortunate but you can see where they favored certain romantic interest when making this.
Man you have serious issues with this game. R U OK? If I had this large an obsession with a game that I'm actually playing I'd be wondering whether I needed therapy...and I'm not joking.
Sorry to disappoint but no OCD, no ADHD, no hyperfixation or anything like that- my wife is a therapist and about 80% of our friend circle are all mental health workers, counselors, psychologists, you name it.
It is impossible to diagnose OCD via video game forum posts - just FYI
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I like the game, to think it's nothing but roses is shortsighted and ridiculous. The game deserves the criticism.
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Its like you're reading my mind.
After all the years and the hype and broken promises, we get a linear action adventure. Not to mention Night City, which should be one of the main actors, is just a back drop and feels completely dead. A gorgeous dead back drop.
You mention everything that needed to be mentioned. Im playing the game, becuase the main gameplay is kinda fun and i wanna see how it ends, but even the main story is lazy.
Did I said it doesn't deserve criticism, especially for old-gen consoles?
But that doesn't mean the 13 mil sales can be called "relatively good". THAT is the problem.
But then again, hater's gonna hate. And yes, I feel sorry for PS4/XboX1 players who can't play the game as it was advertised, but what we do with PC players? Fuck them right? Even if "relatively", on PC, the game runs good, with far less bugs than on old-gen consoles.
Hence, 7+ score on most of the PC review sites.
Bashing the game as a whole, is as wrong as being racist because of "the other half". More then half of that sales, are on PC, but somehow, mmorpg.com and some "tryhards" from here, ignores that, and keep on with their crusade.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
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There's a scene where I'm being celebrated by Saul standing on the back of a truck and she's facing me at the front of the crowd. Someone makes a crack about Panam and V and she just rolls her eyes and says nothing. That eye roll was rendered perfectly even from that distance.
And then on top of the technical details that make her feel like a living, feeling human being, she has an awesome impulsive personality and a commanding presence.
Best video game character ever, IMO.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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GTA V is mostly played for the multiplayer since it's basically an MMO now. I think 13 million is pretty good. Obviously not what they wanted but I think once they fix things the sales will remain steady (not 13 million in a week steady) for the next year or so. I've got almost 50 hours in so far and apart from some bugs and graphical issues (all of which were fixed after reloading) I'm having a blast so far with a lot more to go (only level 22 and half way through the story). So far I'm enjoying this more than I did any of the Witcher games.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
The nomads are more fallout than cyberpunk and she would fit right in that universe.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Your credibility on the subject is zero and that's before even remembering that you were Kano's sock puppet in the Archeage NA release days who posted in the same threads as Kano and even defended "his" opinions in the 3rd person lol.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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Sales went the wrong way you say, then ( you again ) say 13 mils in few weeks ( 2 weeks that is ) is good. /secondfacepalm
Waiting for the 3rd /facepalm
Crymeariver.
Wake me up when a game is refunded "in the millions".
Even if there will be 1 more million in..refunds, that will still be 12 million sales, with 4 millions in the last 2 ( !! ) weeks.
Carry on!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
You act like you know how many sales they forfeited by Sony pulling the game. You don't.
You're fanning hard for the game so you argue semantics of the word relative. Either you don't understand the word or you're willfully ignoring its definition. Which one of those two people would you prefer to be?
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
We need to keep in mind that most game sales occur at the point of launch, while these are also the most valuable sales, as they are at full price.
We must also not underestimate the impact that bad word of mouth, controversy, and being flat out removed from an entire platform will have on the long tail that they are counting on to more than double its sales over the next year.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
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