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New World has just barely enough of everything

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited October 2021
    Iselin said:
    Scorchien said:
    Iselin said:
    It is absolutely normal for a game to have concurrent user #s drop after the first weekend. The release rush and the rush to level cap are a both real things.

    It's a B2P game with no sub so it hasn't actually lost any players lol. Is the new release rush over? Yeah pretty well, but it doesn't mean what you're pretending it means.

    Moving goalposts to just 1 weekend .. really .. It means exactly what  it means .. 

      Less than 1/2 the people playing NW 4 weeks ago are playing it now .. Im not pretending it to mean anything but exactly what the numbers are ..

     
    How the fuck would you even know that lol?

    All you can say is that players are not logging in concurrently to the same extent they were doing it during that first weekend when the numbers were about 1 million worldwide.

    Concurrency =/= "less than half the people playing." That's just your spin. For all you know more players are playing it but for a lower # of hours per day than during the release rush.

    I know I'm playing less than the hours I put in during the first week but I'm still very much playing it.

    Hmm lets see..

      1st week 900,00  peak concurrent log ins

      2nd week   750,00  peak concurrent log ins

      3rd week     600,00  peak concurrent log ins

      4th week      375,00 peak concurrent log ins ..

       Seems obvious that less people are playing...

       this chart will also show NW was on top 4 weeks ago and has a steady decline ..
     You can see NW usage clearly on a steady decline ..
     

    httpsiimgurcomsuoFB4zpng

    klash2def
  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,206
    Iselin said:
    Brainy said:
    LOL so everyone that is being disappointed by the game is just doing forum PVP.  But all the fanbois that defend it to the death without having a clue about end game at all because they are so newb.  Well those people are just giving honest opinions.

    How about people that thought it was decent early on, but found out the game is trash down the road.

    My opinion is that anyone that says this game isn't critically broken right now is either A) not 60, B) not playing the game currently C) straight up delusional, D) completely ignorant, E) lying or All of the above.

    There is really no between on this.

    I would be glad to be proven wrong on this thou, maybe there is another reason.

    Can you define critically broken. I think, perhaps, that means different things to different people.
    Well other than the fact that he's over the top with his exaggerations as usual, he does have a point in that the higher level you are and the more involved you are with different activities the more aware you become of some very serious bugs,,, sort of like every MMO ever within a month of release.

    Things like the windowed mode invulnerability exploit that has been used in wars to capture flag points, the newly introduced "c" (crouch) spamming bug/exploit in a sacred ground circle to get infinite overhealing, the dual life staff or fire staff animation canceling exploit to become a living light attack machine gun by swapping weapons with a macro, outpost rush not working, etc.

    The high level areas are also pretty janky - like they weren't tested enough with oddities and horribly mistuned ultra-fast respawn rates in some areas that make it extremely difficult to complete some quests solo. 

    There are a lot of bugs and the patches so far are reactive, trying to quickly plug holes and creating new ones. I get the impression that these emergency fixes to the more serious exploits are not being tested enough and they create new issues more often than not.

    But unlike him, I'm just rolling with the punches as they slowly fix things. Nothing to cry hysterically in forums about. Just a new MMO with new MMO problems.

    I think that is the key though. A New mmo.
    Many  Issues with New World are issues near all mmos face a month after release. To treat New World any different is disingenuous and shows title bias. I recognize the issues New World has and can be honest about them as a fan of the game but speaking to a couple of previous colleagues that are on the team they are aware and have a long term plan in place for the success of their title. 
    Will they succeed in tackling all the issues maybe not. Will they work diligently to create the best game they can based on their vision for what this project should look like? Sure. 
    What the future holds for the title longer term is up for speculation but the framework is in place and interest is there and mmos are generally created with a 60 to 120 month lifecycles in mind. It is not a sprint. 


    No I don't believe that's the problem.

    In most new MMO's its lack of content that drives me away.  The content is good, but I get bored of the lack of content.

    In this game, the end content, people are saying, What is this trash.  You don't want more of it, you want less of it, its making you sick doing it.

    So they are going to have to fix the entire gameplay loops of these systems at end game.  I just don't see that happening.


    klash2def
  • BanditCoonBanditCoon Member UncommonPosts: 7
    I wish I had time to play. Had not logged in the past 2-3 weeks as working a lil over 16 hours a day but do think about this MMO often since it fits my style of play. Hopefully by the time I hit end game content, it would have addressed alot of the issues stated here.

    Vacation next week and so expect to play ALOT! :)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    Brainy said:
    LOL so everyone that is being disappointed by the game is just doing forum PVP.  But all the fanbois that defend it to the death without having a clue about end game at all because they are so newb.  Well those people are just giving honest opinions.

    How about people that thought it was decent early on, but found out the game is trash down the road.

    My opinion is that anyone that says this game isn't critically broken right now is either A) not 60, B) not playing the game currently C) straight up delusional, D) completely ignorant, E) lying or All of the above.

    There is really no between on this.

    I would be glad to be proven wrong on this thou, maybe there is another reason.

    Can you define critically broken. I think, perhaps, that means different things to different people.
    Have you tried the sausage? I hear it goes great with the "shakes."

    (Referencing the chat box and invulnerability bugs recently discovered)

    Both are fairly critical IMO as they likely foreshadow much greater shenanigans to come.


    klash2def

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    Brainy said:
    LOL so everyone that is being disappointed by the game is just doing forum PVP.  But all the fanbois that defend it to the death without having a clue about end game at all because they are so newb.  Well those people are just giving honest opinions.

    How about people that thought it was decent early on, but found out the game is trash down the road.

    My opinion is that anyone that says this game isn't critically broken right now is either A) not 60, B) not playing the game currently C) straight up delusional, D) completely ignorant, E) lying or All of the above.

    There is really no between on this.

    I would be glad to be proven wrong on this thou, maybe there is another reason.


    In other words, anyone not of your opinion is wrong.

    :D
    Of course not, anyone not agreeing with "My" opinion is clearly wrong, should be obvious.

    ;)

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Scorchien said:
    Iselin said:
    Scorchien said:
    Iselin said:
    It is absolutely normal for a game to have concurrent user #s drop after the first weekend. The release rush and the rush to level cap are a both real things.

    It's a B2P game with no sub so it hasn't actually lost any players lol. Is the new release rush over? Yeah pretty well, but it doesn't mean what you're pretending it means.

    Moving goalposts to just 1 weekend .. really .. It means exactly what  it means .. 

      Less than 1/2 the people playing NW 4 weeks ago are playing it now .. Im not pretending it to mean anything but exactly what the numbers are ..

     
    How the fuck would you even know that lol?

    All you can say is that players are not logging in concurrently to the same extent they were doing it during that first weekend when the numbers were about 1 million worldwide.

    Concurrency =/= "less than half the people playing." That's just your spin. For all you know more players are playing it but for a lower # of hours per day than during the release rush.

    I know I'm playing less than the hours I put in during the first week but I'm still very much playing it.

    Hmm lets see..

      1st week 900,00  peak concurrent log ins

      2nd week   750,00  peak concurrent log ins

      3rd week     600,00  peak concurrent log ins

      4th week      375,00 peak concurrent log ins ..

       Seems obvious that less people are playing...

       this chart will also show NW was on top 4 weeks ago and has a steady decline ..
     You can see NW usage clearly on a steady decline ..
     

    httpsiimgurcomsuoFB4zpng

    I can only speak for myself.

     I don’t want to play the same game everyday. When a game releases and I’m really enjoying it, I’ll usually binge on it for a week or two. Then I’ll keep it in rotation or drop it.

    Most numbers mean shit to me because they’re all making multimillions.

    My favourite games for this week are Gloomhaven, Transport Fever 2 and Going Medieval.

     Gloomhaven and TF2 are my very favourite in their respective genres. I like so many systems in Going Medieval but I really think it needs multiplayer to hook me long term.

    Also gotta throw in my Vermintide 2 and Deep Rock Galactic. Those usually get a roll every week 

    Family time ;)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    Looks like they solved the full server problem, not one shown in any region as of today.

    https://www.newworld.com/en-us/support/server-status

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058


    A Monday.. not even prime time, 17:45.
    The game is dead.
    So you are on one of the two EU Central servers with a high queue?

    There's one medium and almost 200 low pop servers.

    Game's not dead, but perhaps on life support as it is EU prime time right now.

    https://www.newworld.com/en-us/server-population-eu-central
    Scorchienklash2def

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    Wargfoot said:
    I guess they just shut down trading because of a duplication 'feature'.
    I kind of feel bad for AGS... they're having a poopy week.
    Over on MOP people are saying near everything could be duplicated, not just gold.

    Makes one wonder if they do even basic internal testing.
    klash2def

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    Kyleran said:
    Wargfoot said:
    I guess they just shut down trading because of a duplication 'feature'.
    I kind of feel bad for AGS... they're having a poopy week.
    Over on MOP people are saying near everything could be duplicated, not just gold.

    Makes one wonder if they do even basic internal testing.

    Could be that, could also be devs testing their own work, lazy testers; or the least likely, internal sabotage. 
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    Elder Jedi/Elder Bounty Hunter
     
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Kyleran said:


    A Monday.. not even prime time, 17:45.
    The game is dead.
    So you are on one of the two EU Central servers with a high queue?

    There's one medium and almost 200 low pop servers.

    Game's not dead, but perhaps on life support as it is EU prime time right now.

    https://www.newworld.com/en-us/server-population-eu-central

    Just let the White Knight live in his denial , Its fun to watch , when its less than 200k in a month we get to here more fun Goal Post moving semantics that make no sense ..

      Most people saw the light with NW in under 2 weeks , the dimmest bulbs in the box need more time to shine enough light to see its flaws.. There is living proof in this thread..
    klash2def
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    Get back to us in month or two, see what the numbers are then before comparing NW to a time tested game like FFXIV.
    klash2def

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited November 2021
    Kyleran said:
    Get back to us in month or two, see what the numbers are then before comparing NW to a time tested game like FFXIV.

    FF14 is subbed base also ..

     Apples and Oranges

     NW can only be compared to other B2P games ..
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    I'm still going to maintain that NW has just enough of everything, barely. Sure, there's been the usual rush to endgame and then the complaint there isn't more to do. Sure there's been bugs, duping, crashed economy, etc. Sure there's been an exodus of players since the start.

    That's what all MMO's do. That's why I usually wait 6 months to a year to play seriously. I jumped in at launch, got a feel for the game world, liked it, and now am waiting for the cake to bake all the way through.

    For a casual player who can only play a few hours a week, the game is great.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Pretty typical MMORPG release, forum wars and all ;)

     imho
    Scot

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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    laserit said:
    Pretty typical MMORPG release, forum wars and all ;)

     imho

    I'd put the release in the better than most category. They didn't crash. I'm not aware of any rollbacks. I experienced no lag, stutter, or rubber-banding. Most people seemed to be having fun at the beginning.
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    Wargfoot said:
    olepi said:
    laserit said:
    Pretty typical MMORPG release, forum wars and all ;)

     imho

    I'd put the release in the better than most category. They didn't crash. I'm not aware of any rollbacks. I experienced no lag, stutter, or rubber-banding. Most people seemed to be having fun at the beginning.
    I like it quite a bit.
    But seriously... a gold dup bug in 2021?

    Really?
    Worse than just gold and item drops, literally players can reprogram your computer to crash and do even worse stuff.
  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    Wargfoot said:
    olepi said:
    laserit said:
    Pretty typical MMORPG release, forum wars and all ;)

     imho

    I'd put the release in the better than most category. They didn't crash. I'm not aware of any rollbacks. I experienced no lag, stutter, or rubber-banding. Most people seemed to be having fun at the beginning.
    I like it quite a bit.
    But seriously... a gold dup bug in 2021?

    Really?
    Worse than just gold and item drops, literally players can reprogram your computer to crash and do even worse stuff.

    Ok, I'm taking some of what I said back. This is beginning to look like a rollback.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Wargfoot said:
    olepi said:
    laserit said:
    Pretty typical MMORPG release, forum wars and all ;)

     imho

    I'd put the release in the better than most category. They didn't crash. I'm not aware of any rollbacks. I experienced no lag, stutter, or rubber-banding. Most people seemed to be having fun at the beginning.
    I like it quite a bit.
    But seriously... a gold dup bug in 2021?

    Really?
    Worse than just gold and item drops, literally players can reprogram your computer to crash and do even worse stuff.
    Maybe that's why the game feels so responsive, because they are doing too much client side. Its so shitty that leaving things client side leaves you vulnerable to cheaters and hacks.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    laserit said:
    Pretty typical MMORPG release, forum wars and all ;)

     imho
    Naw, NW is honestly making the original ArcheAge NA launch look good by comparison, and it was a total shit show as many will remember.


    klash2def

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    Wargfoot said:
    olepi said:
    laserit said:
    Pretty typical MMORPG release, forum wars and all ;)

     imho

    I'd put the release in the better than most category. They didn't crash. I'm not aware of any rollbacks. I experienced no lag, stutter, or rubber-banding. Most people seemed to be having fun at the beginning.
    I like it quite a bit.
    But seriously... a gold dup bug in 2021?

    Really?
    Worse than just gold and item drops, literally players can reprogram your computer to crash and do even worse stuff.
    Yeah, and they can hack your webcam to see you where you are naked too ;)

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