Part of this game community already seems toxic AF

Slapshot1188

klash2def said:

@Slapshot1188

I said what I said. if anybody got their panties in a bunch about how im talking about incels and incel behavior then it's likely they too are fucking incels and I dont have any sympathy for them or their ilk. 


It's crazy how all I said was this is incel behavior (because it is.) and instead of addressing the fucked up behavior...you want to address ME for calling it out. You want to police ME. Im convinced you only do this shit because you know im black. All the commenters that came at me disrespectfully and when I respond accordingly you want to point at me. Shit is hilarious. 

You are also very inconsistent. You want to come at me for saying "MMO gamers that hang on to old traditions and refuse to see anything good in today's MMOs are powder wigs" but anytime somebody says something about younger people, you awesome it or dont say shit. You did it in this thread. "younger ages tend to get in f2p games and are on average less mature." Ring a bell? You agreed. ageist. Hypocrite.

FTR I find older people are far more immature than younger people in gaming. 

IM the only person you come at for his opinions on a consistent basis. 

Im not going to address any of the other bullshit you said because it's all cherry-picking and leaving out context or straight-up lies. The good thing is people can go back and read for themselves what I wrote with context to how people responded to it and I responded to them. 

I dont disrespect or slight ANYONE unless they disrespect or slight me first. SO I love how you left out everything others said to me.. you think it lets you paint me as an off-hinges black dude that just attacks everyone for no reason. Im bored of your micro-aggression bullshit, come up with something new. 

Again you will do/say anything to attack my character because you dont like what I write because what I write probably fits you. There is no other reason. Only a hit dog howls when you walk by. I never engage with you, I never mention you, it's always YOU coming to jump on my comments to well actually me to death. You have a weird boner for me. 

Dude, I didn't even respond to your first two quote posts because you are like a gnat that wants attention from me. 

everyone can see it. 

Personally, I think you're still mad that I was right about Destiny and New World. And the fact that I have a huge curved sword that you cant touch. 

LOL WUT?  I liked a post that said "younger ages tend to get in f2p games and are on average less mature"?  THIS is what your big comeback is?  

I'll explain it further so as to remove the confusion:  Children are not MATURE enough to make certain decisions properly. This is why there are LAWS about selling alcohol to someone under the age of 21 (although I will argue that 21 vs 18 for certain things is silly. If we can allow someone to sign up and go fight a war then that person should be treated as a full citizen. Whether its 18 or 21 I do not really care about, but alcohol, voting, joining the army... these should all be the same age). But anyway it's honestly SILLY to try and argue that there is no difference in the maturity of a child and an adult.  It was a "like" to a post... if I had to post 3 page expositions for every time I reacted to a post here to explain things well.. I think that would be a pretty bad example to set.

I also think you are confusing me with other people to because I cannot recall any conversations about Destiny... and while I spoke a lot about New World have no recollection of our interactions. Not saying we didn't interact but it certainly seems to have stuck with you more than me...But that goes along with:

In your other post you accuse me of  "Every single thread I'm in, this guy hops in it policing everything I write."  So you may want to reconsider that, as I assure you that is what we call a lie.  If you happen to post in a thread I read in.. and say silly stuff.. I call you on it.  As I did here with your silly "incel" diatribe.  Lets be clear here, you are 100% free to post any silly stuff you want, and I am 100% free to point out the silliness of it. I do it because what YOU posted is silly, not because of any group that you or I may belong to.  I treat YOU as an individual... If you dislike the individual attention then feel free to hit that ignore button.

The sad part here is that all you did is distract from the core discussion, EXACTLY as @Wargfoot explained.  After seeing the pictures that were posted earlier in the thread it's obvious that this controversy was just spun up by assholes.  Too bad it got buried in post after post of incel crap.

So now... looking through this post, my prior one.. and your responses... from my perspective this brings the discussion to a close.  I promise to continue to respond to you as an individual responding to an individual.  That is really the simple respect we ALL deserve.

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OldKingLog

So a few more skin shades and a few less tits. The strange hills people pick to fight others tooth and nail, and die on.

Also, those of you bandying about the term incel, it does indeed refer to a group of self labeled, misogynist net nerds. The problem is these days it seems to be used to tar and feather, and shun any young socially awkward or repressed male. And while the "cool kids" have always seemed to enjoy shunning the "freaks", all it accomplishes is to ostracize individuals who instead would benefit from empathy and advice, turning them further in on themselves. So essentially people are carelessly using this term to help raise the next crop of angry loner school shooters. So you might have a care about throwing that term about so easily in future.

TwistedSister77

Sippin tea of this thread, we have simping for incels with a lot of extra.  Some sus folks who can't take a L. and are probably cheugy irl.  Some dank clapbacks for W.'s too.

Now don't stan on me and also don't drag on me further, I'm practicing for texting with some teenage fam later today... sheesh!

Slapshot1188

Zegaloth said:

Slapshot1188 said:

So these people you are complaining about for Lost Ark have actually described themselves as "incels"?

I find that skeptical but am open to being shown...

Klash's response talking about incel's was in direct response to:

Kratier Member UncommonPosts: 318

February 6 Flag

"i dont think its a troll to point out amazon blackfaced half the NPCs and screwed up all the character creation for the sake of a political agenda and "Western" ideals

they also censored a lot of cosmetics, they claim they haven't , but they have. they fall back on "its randomly dropped item cosmetics" meaning you cant use them, wont ever see them, and they won't be optimal stats for ever using them

we haven't seen how they will handle the rest of the cosmetics, but guaranteed they will censor or outright remove over half of these cosmetics for female gender classes"

Klash did not claim this about the Lost Ark community, and when Warg mentions how the use of the word "Incel makes him uncomfortable Klash said

Wargfoot said:

klash2def said:

Here's the thing about this group, the incels. They hate women because women don't want to sleep with them. After all, they are pathetic examples of human beings. Most of these guys look like they don't even wash their asses. 

I don't know why but I really hate the term 'incels'.
I've a wife and two kids (and a cute grand-baby) so I do have sex.
It isn't a personal attack on me.

klash2def said:

"Nah nope. They call themselves that stupid shit. You aren't about to sit here and act like I personally made this up. The oxford definition is below."

I have re-read this thread chain 5 or 6 times, and i don't see an inference that members of the Lost Ark community are calling themselves "Incels"

He is saying that someone who equates Lost Ark's Localization efforts as "black face" and "censorship" is an Incel.

What I am seeing as odd is people taking offense to Klash calling a racist an Incel, than people taking offense over Kratier's extremely troubling claims of black face use, and censorship when in reality it is a company changing their product to meet market demand, which includes PoC, and women.

Sometimes you evaluate the post(er).  At least I do.  If I think there is some value in a discussion I will respond.  If I ignore silly shit like that it's not because I agree, it's because I have internally made the decision that this specific person is not worth engaging.

Not going to get into the cut and paste but it's pretty clear that @Wargfoot was discussing these people complaining about LOST ARK to which we have a direct response.

But you know what... if at the end of the day we ALL AGREE that it's silly to call someone an incel simply because they posted some stupid shit on a gaming forum then that's great progress.  If Klash really didn't mean it then thats great and we can all move on to discussing the idiot posts made by individuals instead of some boogyman groups that apparently have zero to do with Lost Ark.  Win/Win

Kyleran

Slapshot1188 said:

OK all those responses made me track it down.  For some reason it seems like Comcast rejects connections to that site... so I had to use my cell.

Anyhow.. yeah.. umm.. that seems like some innocuous regionalization changes and I actually prefer the new version in both cases.

To each their own.

Funny story but I showed those images to my wife who totally missed the altered halter top.

She noticed it appeared to have a child's head affixed which was under proportioned to the rest of the body.

I told her eastern style games were "funny like that" with a facination for teenage (or younger) soldiers.  

I didn't mention the animal like races....

finefluff

klash2def said:

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Here's the thing about this group, the incels. They hate women because women don't want to sleep with them. After all, they are pathetic examples of human beings. Most of these guys look like they don't even wash their asses. 

They hate POC or LGBTQ folks being added to anything they like because they think it "erases" straight white men. When really it is just that new people are creating new stories they don't like and refuse to relate to.
...

Just FYI, there are also black incels and women incels. They are referred to blackcels and femcels, respectively. Please check the wiki https://incels.wiki/w/Blackcel 

TheDalaiBomba

Kyleran said:

Slapshot1188 said:

OK all those responses made me track it down.  For some reason it seems like Comcast rejects connections to that site... so I had to use my cell.

Anyhow.. yeah.. umm.. that seems like some innocuous regionalization changes and I actually prefer the new version in both cases.

To each their own.

Funny story but I showed those images to my wife who totally missed the altered halter top.

She noticed it appeared to have a child's head affixed which was under proportioned to the rest of the body.

I told her eastern style games were "funny like that" with a facination for teenage (or younger) soldiers.  

I didn't mention the animal like races....

I'm really thinking the changes were simply because the majority of western gamers find the new style simply a little more to their tastes.

Nothing wrong with that thought process.  There are businesses in both Asia and NA that just wouldn't resonate on the other continent, and trying to force it is just a bad business plan.

MaxBacon

And me here not even knowing what an incel is  

TheDalaiBomba

MaxBacon said:

And me here not even knowing what an incel is  

You sweet, sweet man (or woman).

Don't look it up.  It's not worth knowing.  Just let them languish outside of your awareness.  It truly is better that way.

Asm0deus

tzervo said:

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It looks like a sloppy conversion. Lighting issues perhaps?
...snip...

It looks like crap, not because of the skin color change but because it looks super fake or like she is made of plastic, very shiny wet gross looking plastic.

ItsThatGuy

MaxBacon said:

And me here not even knowing what an incel is  

Are you a twenty something college kid?

Did you choose fine arts as your major?

Do you spend the majority of your free time hanging out on the internet, masquerading as an intellectual?

Do your parents pay eighty grand a year for you to be indoctrinated by left-wing, liberal professors and receive almost no education whatsoever?

If the answers to all of the above questions are no, then that's why you've never heard of the term. If the answers are yes, then good luck and god help you - you'll need every bit of the support.

Asm0deus

MaxBacon said:

And me here not even knowing what an incel is  

INvoluntary  CELibate.   

Just a word some nerds came up with to say we are unable to attract sexual partners. 

It's nothing super bad though like anything else it can be used to insult others depending on the context it is used in.

Tiller

BruceYee said:

This thread lol...

DGAF about toxic community or pixel visual changes...

Been waiting for this game since it was first announced in SK so will be happily playing soon.

I'm in the camp of I really don't care, just looking forward to playing the game.

Tiller

In other news, Squid Game island confirmed. Also the Goldriver the dev said he was annoyed that Amazon didn't explain the reason behind the delay. It wasn't because of Newworld. He wanted legion raids in the game and time for more localization. The class  name changes were Amazons idea.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1290756832?t=1h35m1s

klash2def

Asm0deus said:

MaxBacon said:

And me here not even knowing what an incel is  

INvoluntary  CELibate.   

Just a word some nerds came up with to say we are unable to attract sexual partners. 

It's nothing super bad though like anything else it can be used to insult others depending on the context it is used in.

We, socially, grant a lot of allowances to men who are lonely. We root for characters in countless romantic comedies and decide that they deserve a female character not because they’re worthy of her, but because they want her a lot. Behavior that would, quite reasonably, scare women in real life is presented as being incredibly romantic. Largely because we see the situation through his eyes, not hers.

The social expectation about how women owe men sex and companionship (they don’t) allow these men to see themselves as nice guys denied their rights. In Elliot Roger’s manifesto, he described himself as being a “supreme gentleman”. Doubtless, he actually believed that about himself. He did not seem to register that women declined to date him not because they always went for assholes, but because they could tell he was filled with the kind of rage that would lead him to kill 7 people.

It is worth repeating, in light of this, that, while their loneliness may be real, Their existence is not about being lonely. If it was, it would be more about them all organizing fun social functions to fix that. NOPE. It is about blaming women for their loneliness. I dont care who agrees.

What a lot of the people in this thread fail to realize is that a lot of these exact men are in the gaming community. Thats why my initial comment was "This is incel behavior" because it LITERALLY is. It's not new. Ive seen it before. A lot. Countless times. It's not women making these comments about feeling censored and it's surely not black people saying Lost Ark is blackfacing.. no it's a specific group. It's made obvious by the consistent berating of any female character that isn't fappable in the game they want to play. 

What's even more alarming is the number of incel apologists in this thread. "You can't call them that because it offends me" types. IDGAF if you are offended. Again if you find yourself offended, I am glad because the message was probably meant for you to take offense.  In my original post, I didn't call anyone here an incel. I pointed at the behavior of another forum group and recognized exactly what It was. Interesting because a lot of people here sure were getting invested as if I were talking about them directly. 

It's like saying you can't call a criminal a criminal even though they are doing the crime in your face. The amount of mental gymnastics you lot do to protect those you see yourself in is amazing. 

klash2def

Slapshot1188 said:

But you know what... if at the end of the day we ALL AGREE that it's silly to call someone an incel simply because they posted some stupid shit on a gaming forum then that's great progress.  If Klash really didn't mean it then thats great and we can all move on to discussing the idiot posts made by individuals instead of some boogyman groups that apparently have zero to do with Lost Ark.  Win/Win

See the problem with this is You would rather pretend as if behavior patterns aren't a real thing. If somebody continues to set homes on fire that person is an arsonist. Arsonists are the group they belong to. I don't care if they signed up and have an official stamped membership card or not. The action put them there.

If somebody hops online to constantly spew racism about minorities, guess what group that person now belongs to? Racists. Again they don't have to ask for a membership, it's automatically bestowed upon them.

It does not matter why they did it. If a group of people on the internet constantly act a certain way. then it is fair and reasonable to label them as such. 

Incels labeled themselves then proceed to act a certain way. 

I find it very interesting (in a we should study this thought pattern type of way), that there are people in this thread including yourself, Ive seen use terms like SJW and Snowflake but can't for the life of them understand why a term like Incel exists.   

Kyleran

Someone here suffers greatly from a victim mentality.

Kratier

quoting or repeating whatever trash that guy says is just giving him a microphone, he's clearly a toxic person who spouts toxic trash for attention. dude's pathetic.

we have like 1.5 pages of discussion, and 3 pages of everyone reacting to this kid sperging about everyone's sexuality and harassing them whether or not they had sex recently. absolutely pathetic behavior.

he got what he wanted, the discussion got squashed.

the game director straight up throwing shade on amazon games in the recent live stream , and they can't even release patch notes properly or know what the hell they are doing 12 hours from launch. this game is going to have problems at the start for sure, apparently they even fucked up the supporter packs so none of them actually gave early access.

klash2def

Kyleran said:

Someone here suffers greatly from a victim mentality.

Uh nah. Nothing happened to me.  Im only pointing out what I saw. No matter how many times you all try you aren't moving shit over here. Microaggressions don't work on me. My opinion stands exactly as when I first said it. All the bs I saw was peak incel shit. None of it needed to be said. 

Others here have said what I said. I spoke only the truth. It took the asmongold video for people to say "oh yeah this is dumb"

People here, mostly Boomers (your boy asmongold said it not me) understand what they want to understand. You can clearly understand what an SJW is but you fail to understand what Incel is.. its likely because you consider yourself a part of one of these groups. I wonder which it is. 

klash2def

Kratier said:

quoting or repeating whatever trash that guy says is just giving him a microphone, he's clearly a toxic person who spouts toxic trash for attention. dude's pathetic.

we have like 1.5 pages of discussion, and 3 pages of everyone reacting to this kid sperging about everyone's sexuality and harassing them whether or not they had sex recently. absolutely pathetic behavior.

he got what he wanted, the discussion got squashed.

the game director straight up throwing shade on amazon games in the recent live stream , and they can't even release patch notes properly or know what the hell they are doing 12 hours from launch. this game is going to have problems at the start for sure, apparently they even fucked up the supporter packs so none of them actually gave early access.

This is why the incel community is harmful. Again. Stop lying. I never said anything about "Everyone's sexuality" who the fuck is everyone? I was talking about incels. If you are incel then I guess yeah I'm talking about you. You included yourself. So now it's about you. 

More importantly, You were spewing racist bullshit in this thread but now you think you can take a moral high ground because you think it's going to give you brownie points.

You have zero moral high ground. Do not talk to me or about me unless it's to bow and kiss my mf ring. 

Oh before you say "BUT I DIDNT SAY ANTHIN RACIS" 

This you? In the quote? Kraiter?



Zegaloth already told you what to do. I see you don't take direction very well. 

Stay off my line bro. 

ConstantineMerus

I see a lot of nice people jumping at each other for the things some other awful people did. 

TheDalaiBomba

ConstantineMerus said:

I see a lot of nice people jumping at each other for the things some other awful people did. 

It would help if one of the posters wasn't repeatedly spouting absolute bullshit, even when they've been called out for it (not talking about klash or slap here).

Iselin

I see merit in revising old works of fiction, fantasy, scifi, whatever... with modern sensibilities even when the motive of directors and producers are less than pure and they are doing it just to make more bucks.

Why?

Because a lot of this stuff, especially fantasy written 100 or 70 years ago in more racist or at least chauvinist times, when the overwhelming majority of those works were all about white male heroes, is very outdated.

No problem if you happened to have been a white boy when you read or watched that - very easy to identify with those heroes and feel vicariously heroic yourself.

But what about the girls and POC who read the same? The message was pretty clear: POC and girls need not apply for the role of main hero. Be happy in your supporting role of friend or sidekick of the hero if there was even one of those available.

What revision of lore does is that it lets girls and POC, especially the young kids, identify with and imagine themselves to be the hero more naturally. It does away with the chauvinist type casting of white males as the only or overwhelmingly more suitable heroic characters.

I read the insistence by some in keeping "true to original as written" as nothing more than an attempt to continue the white male supremacist tones in those ancient stories.

That making the changes in 2022 is also profitable and some producers and directors do it just for the profits is irrelevant to me. What I actually glean from that is that the timss have changed sufficiently to make those, sometimes mercenary modifications, more profitable and that is a damn good thing. It's called progress.

This Lost Ark thing is tiny potatoes in the grand scheme of attempting to be more inclusive with who you cast in the main hero role.

Just my 2 pennies.

klash2def

Im not about to sit here and continue to be gaslit by a bunch of old white dudes over what incel is or is not when I witness daily racism, homophobia, sexism, etc from people that look like you on the internet. You have no idea what it's like to visit your favorite sites only to be told you cannot participate because you are black.

Literally, somebody in this thread tried to whitesplain how LOTR was meant for White people and I should seek an African story to enjoy. But these are the same people that later think they have moral high ground to attack me for pointing out what I observed. 

It's crazy to me nobody said anything about that. They just saw me as a problem because "black guy is voicing his opinion and now I feel threatened"

fuck outta here. All of you can kiss my ass. If the shoe fits wear it.

Ive made it my right to Police the bullshit on this site because Ive endured it for so long so now if I see it, Im going to call it out. Dont like it? fix your shit. We all know exactly what type of people were making a fuss about skin tones and less skimpy clothes in a video game. They do it often. IDGAF what they call themselves, they all do and say the same shit. The media calls them "Gamers" because they don't want to say the truth. They want to be PC. It's not "Gamers". It's a very specific group. Dont matter the game or year. It never fails, they show up every time. 

Get the hell out of here acting like this is the first time you've seen or heard of it happening. 

That's the dishonest, revisionist bullshit you people love to pull. Then when I mention how fucked it up it is, they say "you're being a victim" a victim of what exactly? LOL Victim of WHOM? 

A bunch of old nerds? Dont make me laugh.

Trust me not one person in this forum could make me feel like a victim of nothing. Im a former Marine, Iraq Combat War vet, and IRL if any of you ever said any of the bullshit Ive endured on this site to my face... LOL trust me You just wouldn't do it. You would see me and piss yourself. That goes for any of you. 

So believe me when I say. I don't feel victimized by any of you. It's impossible. 

If I see bullshit, Im going to call bullshit out. It's that simple. I really don't care who is offended, I don't care about your lame ass what about isms you wanna pull out your ass.. I don't give a damn. 

Carry on with your night. A new game is about to come out. 

Better play with that. I'm dangerous for your health. If you don't like me, you can always block me. Dont engage with me. You will never get me to change my viewpoint. It's almost like you think you can use me for target practice.. only I shoot back. 

Then everyone cries.. yeah it's sad then. Not the antagonizing that happens beforehand.. Nah that doesn't matter. What matters is how Klash2def responds to these people. Guess I'm held to a different standard than everyone else. NP. Gotchu.. enjoy your night gents.