You never fail to downward spiral into gaslighting.
Tell me the shoe fits without telling the shoe fits lol
I don't see you worried about all the insults and mockery posters constantly hurl at everyone who dares to enjoy a game or support a company they don't!
"Anyone who still plays X is crazy/idiot" "Anyone who still gives Y money is crazy/idiot"
Etc
Valid points. The constant hate and vitriol towards every MMO is why I left this site over 5 years ago and thought I'd never join back. For a site that was supposed to be aimed at supposed MMO enthusiasts if someone just went by the forum posts they would have thought this site was a hangout for haters of the genre. I guess it is just a symptom of the times where polarization and anger seem to dominate all discourse.
That being said, you sir seem to enjoy in tweaking you nose at people bringing legitimate questions and concerns over a company and product that raise valid red flags about how it operates and its business model. You seem to intelligent a person to not see how the concerns and points being brought up are valid so it leaves me (and others) to wonder at your motives aside from the forum pvp.
I've not seen anyone here mocked for just liking a game.
The strawman that Babs throws up, that he's being mocked for merely enjoying Star Citizen, is utter nonsense.
A person can be a fan of a game without being a kool-aid swilling shill.
Yeah, a lot of it is just providing a backstop rationale that can be cited for those that just want to BELIEVE!
It's perfectly possible to enjoy something, and know that it was/is poorly done.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
10 years later still the same arguments. We all said (a decade ago) that Chris Roberts has NEVER EVER been IN CHARGE of a project tat actually RELEASED. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he ever was a part of was ultimately released when someone else was in charge.
THAT was the whole premise of all the 'haters' (people who knew this thing would never ever release.)
Despite scamming a HALF A BILLION (and counting) THAT still isnt enough for them to be close to releasing this.
Along with them having their engine completely rebuilt (for the what number time?) by some one lese. Remember when THAT was the original argument? They couldnt build SC with the 'current' engines.
Anyone that think this game will EVER be released is an F-ing moron.
Hell they cant even release a stand alone story driven prequel (or whatever it has been called) Something they claimed was 100% done and being played 4 or 5 years ago.
Remember...when was it... three or so years ago when they said 100% SQ 42 would be delivered by 2020? They took 42 or whatever it was million in 'marketing' money. Hmm where is that?
I suppose theyre playing the same excuse card everyone is these days...Covid.
LMAO.
At this point it is so far beyond reality it isnt even worth debating anymore.
The ONLY thing these guys have been able to do is extract an embarrassing amount of cash from people with more money than brains. And the money apparently keeps coming in at a better rate before it was obviously a scam.
But thats the rub despite ALL that money theyre operating on a month to month basis I would imagine. Meaning (as I have said for years) the ONLY reason this scam keeps going on is because people keeping giving them money. If the money stopped so would whatever they claim theyre doing.
So just because they havent folded doesnt mean we were 'wrong' all those years ago. Just means we underestimated the stupidity of people, and the last two years have definitely supported that underestimation on many fronts.
In SC's defense, if they had blamed it on the non-backers you guys would've been way more furious.
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That being said, you sir seem to enjoy in tweaking you nose at people bringing legitimate questions and concerns over a company and product that raise valid red flags about how it operates and its business model. You seem to intelligent a person to not see how the concerns and points being brought up are valid so it leaves me (and others) to wonder at your motives aside from the forum pvp.
What legitimate questions did I "tweak my nose at?" though? Crowdfunded studios taking a lot of time? Open development being prone to drama by gamers who aren't used to seeing the sausage get made? Making fun of the doom & gloom posters preaching the end is near while the game keeps being developed, the community enjoying and backing it to funding records each year?
There's 0 problem with their business model or how they operate and the way they've been able to grow as a company along all these years while increasing it's player-base speaks volumes of it. I get it there's a lot of jagged and homeless mmorpg souls here bitter that the "golden age of mmorpg's" is long gone and who prefer to dwell into toxic negativity as a way to relief their frustration of not being able to enjoy games like they did before but lashing out on crowdfunded and early access games is just the easy way out.
I've not seen anyone here mocked for just liking a game. The strawman that Babs throws up, that he's being mocked for merely enjoying Star Citizen, is utter nonsense. A person can be a fan of a game without being a kool-aid swilling shill.
Right. This thread alone is filled with bile for people who enjoy and supports Star Citizen lol
If you cannot name a few things wrong with your favorite game then you might be a kool-aid drinker.
One could name a huge list of them but I'm afraid people who don't play the game wouldn't understand it.
Which is like about 99% of any Star Citizen thread here lol
Like always, the loud angry minority of haters will have to keep swallowing the fact that the game will keep on being developed as the developers intend and being supported and enjoyed by those who matter, people who enjoy the game.
Like always, the loud angry minority of haters will have to keep swallowing the fact that the game will keep on being developed as the developers intend and being supported and enjoyed by those who matter, people who enjoy the game.
So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter...
Interesting take on things.
Edited to say SQ42 instead of SC...
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Like always, the loud angry minority of haters will have to keep swallowing the fact that the game will keep on being developed as the developers intend and being supported and enjoyed by those who matter, people who enjoy the game.
So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Star Citizen do not matter...
Interesting take on things.
He also knows they are a minority. Crazy stuff really. And of course they can complain, but only if he deems their complaints worthy. He is sort of a self proclaimed Saint Peter standing at the gates of SC heaven, only delusional.
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It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Like always, the loud angry minority of haters will have to keep swallowing the fact that the game will keep on being developed as the developers intend and being supported and enjoyed by those who matter, people who enjoy the game.
So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter... Interesting take on things. Edited to say SQ42 instead of SC...
If you only backed the game you're not a consumer yet as you're waiting for the final product. People actively playing the alpha now are already consumers and can come and go depending on what's delivered.
He also knows they are a minority. Crazy stuff really. And of course they can complain, but only if he deems their complaints worthy. He is sort of a self proclaimed Saint Peter standing at the gates of SC heaven, only delusional.
Like always, the loud angry minority of haters will have to keep swallowing the fact that the game will keep on being developed as the developers intend and being supported and enjoyed by those who matter, people who enjoy the game.
So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter... Interesting take on things. Edited to say SQ42 instead of SC...
If you only backed the game you're not a consumer yet as you're waiting for the final product. People actively playing the alpha now are already consumers and can come and go depending on what's delivered.
He also knows they are a minority. Crazy stuff really. And of course they can complain, but only if he deems their complaints worthy. He is sort of a self proclaimed Saint Peter standing at the gates of SC heaven, only delusional.
Or else they wouldn't have made 4.5$Millions during these noise weeks
THey make millions because they sucker people into giving them money when they dont even have a finished product. It's a brilliant premise really....All you need are gullible customers and you are set for life.
Like always, the loud angry minority of haters will have to keep swallowing the fact that the game will keep on being developed as the developers intend and being supported and enjoyed by those who matter, people who enjoy the game.
So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter... Interesting take on things. Edited to say SQ42 instead of SC...
If you only backed the game you're not a consumer yet as you're waiting for the final product. People actively playing the alpha now are already consumers and can come and go depending on what's delivered.
Nice try at wordsmithing but you fail.
I said CUSTOMER. You discuss consumers.
And your attempt to dodge is pretty bad so I will repeat:
“So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter... Interesting take on things.”
Instead of wordsmithing address the point. Do people that paid money for SQ42, have received NOTHING playable, and are not happy…. Do we matter? It’s a simple yes/no question.
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Like always, the loud angry minority of haters will have to keep swallowing the fact that the game will keep on being developed as the developers intend and being supported and enjoyed by those who matter, people who enjoy the game.
So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter... Interesting take on things. Edited to say SQ42 instead of SC...
If you only backed the game you're not a consumer yet as you're waiting for the final product. People actively playing the alpha now are already consumers and can come and go depending on what's delivered.
consumer (noun): "a person who purchases goods and services for personal use"
You're a consumer from the moment you enter store (or in this case it would be Star Citizen's Kickstarter webpage) with the intention that if you purchase something it's for your personal use.
You never fail to downward spiral into gaslighting.
Tell me the shoe fits without telling the shoe fits lol
I don't see you worried about all the insults and mockery posters constantly hurl at everyone who dares to enjoy a game or support a company they don't!
"Anyone who still plays X is crazy/idiot" "Anyone who still gives Y money is crazy/idiot"
Etc
Valid points. The constant hate and vitriol towards every MMO is why I left this site over 5 years ago and thought I'd never join back. For a site that was supposed to be aimed at supposed MMO enthusiasts if someone just went by the forum posts they would have thought this site was a hangout for haters of the genre. I guess it is just a symptom of the times where polarization and anger seem to dominate all discourse.
That being said, you sir seem to enjoy in tweaking you nose at people bringing legitimate questions and concerns over a company and product that raise valid red flags about how it operates and its business model. You seem to intelligent a person to not see how the concerns and points being brought up are valid so it leaves me (and others) to wonder at your motives aside from the forum pvp.
I've not seen anyone here mocked for just liking a game.
The strawman that Babs throws up, that he's being mocked for merely enjoying Star Citizen, is utter nonsense.
A person can be a fan of a game without being a kool-aid swilling shill.
Yeah, a lot of it is just providing a backstop rationale that can be cited for those that just want to BELIEVE!
It's perfectly possible to enjoy something, and know that it was/is poorly done.
Ahh, like FO76, I love it, but it's definitely a mess in many ways.
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Tell me the shoe fits without telling the shoe fits lol
I don't see you worried about all the insults and mockery posters constantly hurl at everyone who dares to enjoy a game or support a company they don't!
"Anyone who still plays X is crazy/idiot" "Anyone who still gives Y money is crazy/idiot"
Etc
Valid points. The constant hate and vitriol towards every MMO is why I left this site over 5 years ago and thought I'd never join back. For a site that was supposed to be aimed at supposed MMO enthusiasts if someone just went by the forum posts they would have thought this site was a hangout for haters of the genre. I guess it is just a symptom of the times where polarization and anger seem to dominate all discourse.
That being said, you sir seem to enjoy in tweaking you nose at people bringing legitimate questions and concerns over a company and product that raise valid red flags about how it operates and its business model. You seem to intelligent a person to not see how the concerns and points being brought up are valid so it leaves me (and others) to wonder at your motives aside from the forum pvp.
I've not seen anyone here mocked for just liking a game.
The strawman that Babs throws up, that he's being mocked for merely enjoying Star Citizen, is utter nonsense.
A person can be a fan of a game without being a kool-aid swilling shill.
Yeah, a lot of it is just providing a backstop rationale that can be cited for those that just want to BELIEVE!
It's perfectly possible to enjoy something, and know that it was/is poorly done.
Ahh, like FO76, I love it, but it's definitely a mess in many ways.
I've got a code for FO76, and at some point I'll have to dip my toe in and see if I like it.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Marketing does not equal development. But then, you knew that.
After Anthem, Cyberpunk, Battlefield and so on everyone knows that already
THey make millions because they sucker people into giving them money when they dont even have a finished product. It's a brilliant premise really....All you need are gullible customers and you are set for life.
Cmon Ralph, you should know that Marketing only takes you so long. See the games I mentioned above, they also released unfinished and yet they made millions. How about billions? That's what mobile games and gacha games make.
Do you still know what it is to have fun playing games?
Nice try at wordsmithing but you fail. I said CUSTOMER. You discuss consumers.
And your attempt to dodge is pretty bad so I will repeat: “So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter... Interesting take on things.”
Instead of wordsmithing address the point. Do people that paid money for SQ42, have received NOTHING playable, and are not happy…. Do we matter? It’s a simple yes/no question.
You're not a costumer yet though, you're a backer waiting in the sidelines for the product. No problem in that at all except if YOU have trouble waiting. Which in that case it's your problem since the only thing CIG cares about is making their game like they feel it's best.
For CIG you don't matter at all now, they already got your money and since you're waiting on the sidelines and don't care about the Online Universe or their open development you're irrelevant until Squadron 42 comes out, which is when you'll go from backer to costumer/consumer and how your experience goes might generate future sales for CIG.
consumer (noun): "a person who purchases goods and services for personal use" You're a consumer from the moment you enter store (or in this case it would be Star Citizen's Kickstarter webpage) with the intention that if you purchase something it's for your personal use.
Seems we're getting trapped into meanings.
I'm talking about Consumer that comes from the act of consuming a good, not consummating a purchase.
Like Buying drugs for a friend doesn't make me a drug consumer. Backing a game doesn't make me a consumer of that game.
Nice try at wordsmithing but you fail. I said CUSTOMER. You discuss consumers.
And your attempt to dodge is pretty bad so I will repeat: “So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter... Interesting take on things.”
Instead of wordsmithing address the point. Do people that paid money for SQ42, have received NOTHING playable, and are not happy…. Do we matter? It’s a simple yes/no question.
You're not a costumer yet though, you're a backer waiting in the sidelines for the product. No problem in that at all except if YOU have trouble waiting. Which in that case it's your problem since the only thing CIG cares about is making their game like they feel it's best.
For CIG you don't matter at all now, they already got your money and since you're waiting on the sidelines and don't care about the Online Universe or their open development you're irrelevant until Squadron 42 comes out, which is when you'll go from backer to costumer/consumer and how your experience goes might generate future sales for CIG.
No... the only thing CIG cares about is raising funds. It's pretty evident that the game is secondary at this point.
And you keep using the word costumer... Firstly, its CUSTOMER and secondly, although you use it a lot you do not appear to actually know what it means.
And after all that you still couldn't simply answer YES/NO...
And for the record.. I have in fact loaded Star Citizen at various points. Does the fact I found it boring, buggy and incomplete somehow in your bizarre view prevent me from being a customer?
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For CIG you don't matter at all now, they already got your money and since you're waiting on the sidelines and don't care about the Online Universe or their open development you're irrelevant until Squadron 42 comes out, which is when you'll go from backer to costumer/consumer and how your experience goes might generate future sales for CIG.
So they don't care about returning customers/people who feel slighted by their development cycle?
I'm pretty sure Slapshot's money is... well it's the same color as any other money where he lives.
By what you're saying, they don't care about any money except the ones who have heard the siren's song and more or less consistently use their current product as well as buying more ships/planets/whatever they are selling this week.
No... the only thing CIG cares about is raising funds. It's pretty evident that the game is secondary at this point. And you keep using the word costumer... Firstly, its CUSTOMER and secondly, although you use it a lot you do not appear to actually know what it means. And after all that you still couldn't simply answer YES/NO... And for the record.. I have in fact loaded Star Citizen at various points. Does the fact I found it boring, buggy and incomplete somehow in your bizarre view prevent me from being a customer?
If they only cared about raising funds and not making the best space game they wouldn't invest so much money implementing features in their game and events that allow players to experience ships for free. Anyway, ingame Raising funds is part of the process to be able to develop the game and running a live service like they want. I answered already if you care to read closely, atm you're irrelevant to them.
So they don't care about returning customers/people who feel slighted by their development cycle? I'm pretty sure Slapshot's money is... well it's the same color as any other money where he lives. By what you're saying, they don't care about any money except the ones who have heard the siren's song and more or less consistently use their current product as well as buying more ships/planets/whatever they are selling this week.
They couldn't care less about the feelings of those who can't enjoy games in development for whatever reason. No game is for everyone, ever. So They'll continue to develop the game as they see fit while taking feedback from those who actual playtest the alpha regularly.
So they don't care about returning customers/people who feel slighted by their development cycle? I'm pretty sure Slapshot's money is... well it's the same color as any other money where he lives. By what you're saying, they don't care about any money except the ones who have heard the siren's song and more or less consistently use their current product as well as buying more ships/planets/whatever they are selling this week.
They couldn't care less about the feelings of those who can't enjoy games in development for whatever reason. No game is for everyone, ever. So They'll continue to develop the game as they see fit while taking feedback from those who actual playtest the alpha regularly.
Man, if only my post was about potential new customers who could enjoy the game and the development cycle as well as allaying concerns from current customers about the development cycle as it stands and not about games in development and feedback. It is like I was talking about money, and you're just talking about whatever makes you feel better.
No... the only thing CIG cares about is raising funds. It's pretty evident that the game is secondary at this point. And you keep using the word costumer... Firstly, its CUSTOMER and secondly, although you use it a lot you do not appear to actually know what it means. And after all that you still couldn't simply answer YES/NO... And for the record.. I have in fact loaded Star Citizen at various points. Does the fact I found it boring, buggy and incomplete somehow in your bizarre view prevent me from being a customer?
If they only cared about raising funds and not making the best space game they wouldn't invest so much money implementing features in their game and events that allow players to experience ships for free. Anyway, ingame Raising funds is part of the process to be able to develop the game and running a live service like they want. I answered already if you care to read closely, atm you're irrelevant to them.
So... please share the breakdown of how much money they spent "implementing features". To the best of my knowledge they have never released a breakdown that says:
Chris's office cost X Cool painting cost Y 2 coders to program feature A cost Z
You know how much they raised, not how much was spent of "features" and if you THINK you know more than that you are deluding yourself.
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So they don't care about returning customers/people who feel slighted by their development cycle? I'm pretty sure Slapshot's money is... well it's the same color as any other money where he lives. By what you're saying, they don't care about any money except the ones who have heard the siren's song and more or less consistently use their current product as well as buying more ships/planets/whatever they are selling this week.
They couldn't care less about the feelings of those who can't enjoy games in development for whatever reason. No game is for everyone, ever. So They'll continue to develop the game as they see fit while taking feedback from those who actual playtest the alpha regularly.
Man, if only my post was about potential new customers who could enjoy the game and the development cycle as well as allaying concerns from current customers about the development cycle as it stands and not about games in development and feedback. It is like I was talking about money, and you're just talking about whatever makes you feel better.
The Ivory Tower always likes to feel they are special.
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Man, if only my post was about potential new customers who could enjoy the game and the development cycle as well as allaying concerns from current customers about the development cycle as it stands and not about games in development and feedback. It is like I was talking about money, and you're just talking about whatever makes you feel better.
The company has grown every year along with funding and new backers. They're doing alright.
So... please share the breakdown of how much money they spent "implementing features". To the best of my knowledge they have never released a breakdown that says: Chris's office cost X Cool painting cost Y 2 coders to program feature A cost Z You know how much they raised, not how much was spent of "features" and if you THINK you know more than that you are deluding yourself.
No need to breakdown, just play the game and check the art and tech present there. There's millions of dollars put into just creating/modelling the ships alone, more millions put into animating/light/sound etc. And that's not even going into the realm of the tech needed to allow for ship interiors and seamless sharing of those ships with other players (synchronized local physics grids) in different gravities and fully procedural planets without loading screens. It's tech that enables freedom of play that creates emergent moments like this:
Okay I'm all done because there's no arguing this silliness.
The last thing I'll say: the only time I don't think a company is stretching for every legitimate dollar and customer they can earn is when I think the company is truly incompetent.
It is beyond absurd the length some people will go to defend something they are passionate and belief in and one can call it commendable or delusional (or both). But SC development should serve as a cautionary tale about the dangers of crowd funding and how it is not the panacea some claim to the game industry.
Den of Geek had an interesting article in March of 2021 that gave a pretty good summary of all the controversy surrounding the devs of SC.
I personally feel customers (or consumers or whatever silly argument people want to have splitting definition hairs) and gamers deserve better.
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It's perfectly possible to enjoy something, and know that it was/is poorly done.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
THAT was the whole premise of all the 'haters' (people who knew this thing would never ever release.)
Despite scamming a HALF A BILLION (and counting) THAT still isnt enough for them to be close to releasing this.
Along with them having their engine completely rebuilt (for the what number time?) by some one lese. Remember when THAT was the original argument? They couldnt build SC with the 'current' engines.
Anyone that think this game will EVER be released is an F-ing moron.
Hell they cant even release a stand alone story driven prequel (or whatever it has been called) Something they claimed was 100% done and being played 4 or 5 years ago.
Remember...when was it... three or so years ago when they said 100% SQ 42 would be delivered by 2020? They took 42 or whatever it was million in 'marketing' money. Hmm where is that?
I suppose theyre playing the same excuse card everyone is these days...Covid.
LMAO.
At this point it is so far beyond reality it isnt even worth debating anymore.
The ONLY thing these guys have been able to do is extract an embarrassing amount of cash from people with more money than brains. And the money apparently keeps coming in at a better rate before it was obviously a scam.
But thats the rub despite ALL that money theyre operating on a month to month basis I would imagine. Meaning (as I have said for years) the ONLY reason this scam keeps going on is because people keeping giving them money. If the money stopped so would whatever they claim theyre doing.
So just because they havent folded doesnt mean we were 'wrong' all those years ago. Just means we underestimated the stupidity of people, and the last two years have definitely supported that underestimation on many fronts.
Interesting take on things.
Edited to say SQ42 instead of SC...
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'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
THey make millions because they sucker people into giving them money when they dont even have a finished product. It's a brilliant premise really....All you need are gullible customers and you are set for life.
I said CUSTOMER. You discuss consumers.
“So people that are their customers but do not "enjoy the game" as it exists in Alpha with no sight of Squadron 42 do not matter...
Interesting take on things.”
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You're a consumer from the moment you enter store (or in this case it would be Star Citizen's Kickstarter webpage) with the intention that if you purchase something it's for your personal use.
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If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
And you keep using the word costumer... Firstly, its CUSTOMER and secondly, although you use it a lot you do not appear to actually know what it means.
And after all that you still couldn't simply answer YES/NO...
And for the record.. I have in fact loaded Star Citizen at various points. Does the fact I found it boring, buggy and incomplete somehow in your bizarre view prevent me from being a customer?
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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We used to call that "Marketecture", for the design of a chip done by marketing.
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I'm pretty sure Slapshot's money is... well it's the same color as any other money where he lives.
By what you're saying, they don't care about any money except the ones who have heard the siren's song and more or less consistently use their current product as well as buying more ships/planets/whatever they are selling this week.
Man, if only my post was about potential new customers who could enjoy the game and the development cycle as well as allaying concerns from current customers about the development cycle as it stands and not about games in development and feedback. It is like I was talking about money, and you're just talking about whatever makes you feel better.
Chris's office cost X
Cool painting cost Y
2 coders to program feature A cost Z
You know how much they raised, not how much was spent of "features" and if you THINK you know more than that you are deluding yourself.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
The last thing I'll say: the only time I don't think a company is stretching for every legitimate dollar and customer they can earn is when I think the company is truly incompetent.
Den of Geek had an interesting article in March of 2021 that gave a pretty good summary of all the controversy surrounding the devs of SC.
I personally feel customers (or consumers or whatever silly argument people want to have splitting definition hairs) and gamers deserve better.