Not to sound facetious but can one of the players who play Star Citizen come here and tell us what you do on a typical playthrough of the currently available content. Give a detailed account so those people who might want to buy the game can actually see what content is there.
Don't post videos please. Those can be doctored. I want an account if possible.
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The best thing to do is join one of their Fly Free Events... at least to see what exists in Star Citizen. As for Squadron 42 all we have are clips as nobody has played it.
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I am not talking about perma bans for political stuff which is the only moderation we have had but I mean moderators temp locking threads or warning peeps to chill out with the personal attacks. I mean giving people temp bans for a few days to make them realize their shit posting was going to far etc etc.
It easy to see the same bad actors posting the same shit posts.
Not all bans are being done for politics they are being done for personnel attacks, typically ones which go on for many posts in the same thread. We should all know this because posters have been banned and no one has been able to recall any politics. To me more seem to be for politics but remember we don't see all the posts, they are removed as part of the ban. We also won't see people being targeted in PM's, obliviously you can get banned for that.
Relentlessly attacking someone's argument is not moderated, should it be? I think there is a point were I would agree, but that point goes beyond one thread. It would be when you are repeatedly posted against by the same individual across threads about many issues. Thats were it is being made personal. Otherwise I don't agree.
I am not talking about perma bans for political stuff which is the only moderation we have had but I mean moderators temp locking threads or warning peeps to chill out with the personal attacks. I mean giving people temp bans for a few days to make them realize their shit posting was going to far etc etc.
It easy to see the same bad actors posting the same shit posts.
Not all bans are being done for politics they are being done for personnel attacks, typically ones which go on for many posts in the same thread. We should all know this because posters have been banned and no one has been able to recall any politics. To me more seem to be for politics but remember we don't see all the posts, they are removed as part of the ban. We also won't see people being targeted in PM's, obliviously you can get banned for that.
Relentlessly attacking someone's argument is not moderated, should it be? I think there is a point were I would agree, but that point goes beyond one thread. It would be when you are repeatedly posted against by the same individual across threads about many issues. Thats were it is being made personal. Otherwise I don't agree.
Is the person responding? If you continue to state Opinion A why should someone else not be able to refute Opinion A each time?
If I want to repeatedly say something negative, you have the right to counter that. If I want to repeatedly say something positive, you have the right to counter that.
You can always Ignore other posters and not see their responses.
I think what is different is if you give a thoughtful post about a topic and I just respond over and over with “Game is great you haters” or “Game sux”.
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...snip... It's sad cause this has become progressively worse over time since the moderators have decided to go on a permanent vacation and as such we have people thinking trolling and forum pvping like this was reddit is perfectly acceptable.
We have had over the past few years more bans than I can remember in the previous 15 or so years! The idea we are lacking moderation sticks in my craw. But I don't disagree about the civility, I just don't think we can expect everyone to conform to some imposed set of standards. We do have standards on here, people are being banned for them, that's more than enough for me.
Personally I often take a poke at consoles and playing games on devices with tiny screens, You could call that trolling, I hope people take it with the humor that it is intended. What I am getting at is that this is a matter of perception, one persons humour is another's trolling, taking a moral stance is tricky to do.
Where I draw the line is people being told they are stupid idiots etc, blast the guys argument not the guy.
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Is the person responding? If you continue to state Opinion A why should someone else not be able to refute Opinion A each time?
If I want to repeatedly say something negative, you have the right to counter that. If I want to repeatedly say something positive, you have the right to counter that.
You can always Ignore other posters and not see their responses.
I think what is different is if you give a thoughtful post about a topic and I just respond over and over with “Game is great you haters” or “Game sux”.
I am talking about doing that here and then doing that elsewhere to the same poster, about different topics again and again. Indeed if you only seem to want to post on a thread to rebuff someone that's a clear sign.
Just having shouting match in one thread is not enough. But clearly if posters start swearing at each other for post after post in the same thread you can get a ban just for that. We know that because we have seen it happen.
Here a recent 4 hour steam video, skip ahead 35mins about and have a watch...dunno but that looks like a real game to me, doesn't look like a tech demo like we had in 2013 and to be frank I don't know any other game that really compares. Not even Elite Dangerous of which I am also an OG backer.
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out though I have watched a couple of streams recently as well. I definitely like the idea but not a fan of how they're going about it. Like you said, some of it has come across as "scummy", and I see no reason to give anyone in that kind of decision making position the benefit of the doubt. To me, it comes with the territory. If someone is managing something they get a lot of credit (and money) when it succeeds, so they also take flak whenever there are issues. Particularly when they chose to use such an "unconventional" approach to funding development.
I just want to add that though I get where you're coming from, to me a real game is one that is released. Everything prior to that is something somebody's working on. The distinction matters to me, because how you view and support a product or service that you have released is different than one you consider in active development. I work in tech, and specifically within a team doing lots of R&D, so we have a lot of things we constantly change or iterate on even after "release". But there is a very clear difference in our responsibility towards what is in alpha vs what is released in prod. And moving from one to the next may seem simple, but just because something runs in alpha doesn't mean it will run in prod. Does your service scale, for example? Until you have confirmed that your tech works in a production environment and you're able to support a released product, anything you have is really a demo. Maybe they have tested and everything will work at release, I don't know. But how impressive the tech looks in alpha has no bearing on whether it is or isn't a demo.
That said, they do show some interesting stuff and I do hope for a release. I just won't support this type of development as it's too questionable for my liking.
Ah first person not my thing but it was boring all that flying around looking at bland stuff from top. The part where they were moving bodies was entertaining. I skipped a lot because it was just boring.
There is a game but it may not be for me. Thanks for the vid.
Pretty sure most space MMOs including EVE and Elite Dangerous have a lot of flying around looking at the depths of space as you navigate the universe.
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...snip... It's sad cause this has become progressively worse over time since the moderators have decided to go on a permanent vacation and as such we have people thinking trolling and forum pvping like this was reddit is perfectly acceptable.
We have had over the past few years more bans than I can remember in the previous 15 or so years! The idea we are lacking moderation sticks in my craw. But I don't disagree about the civility, I just don't think we can expect everyone to conform to some imposed set of standards. We do have standards on here, people are being banned for them, that's more than enough for me.
Personally I often take a poke at consoles and playing games on devices with tiny screens, You could call that trolling, I hope people take it with the humor that it is intended. What I am getting at is that this is a matter of perception, one persons humour is another's trolling, taking a moral stance is tricky to do.
Where I draw the line is people being told they are stupid idiots etc, blast the guys argument not the guy.
Or being told they are an asshole? (Ahem)
How about forum pvping, which was never really allowed either and consists mainly of flaming and trolling and posting meme images to illicit a negative responses and incite or instigate conflict and hostility. Not to mention to farm lol and likes etc.
It's why the main rules not to get in trouble back then was attack the argument not the poster and stick to the topic along with being careful in how we phrased things.
Except that is now apparently okay..at least according to you cause it's fun and we can simply not participate if we don't like it.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Makes me wonder if some people really are Star Citizen Material which is going to require players to be made of a bit sterner stuff than most MMOs today.
If Tom Hanks were a squadron leader in SQ42 he'd probably say "there's no crying in space" or something like that.
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Forum PvP can be done without outright calling people names. If you stay within the rules it is less bannable then say calling people names.
I mean yeah it can cause friction but outright rudeness and name calling is definitely bannable. I can understand disdain and outright mockery and even if it is not exactly overtly aggressive it gets the point across. However calling another poster names when you lose your temper is stupid. There is a certain kind of finesse in forum PvP.
People here have been on these forums for donkey's years and they have honed their skill. I don't see anything wrong in forum PvP because we are all not here just to simply praise stuff. If there is a point of view or an outright disagreement then have at it but with civility. Forum PvP does not have to be rude or against the rules.
You have to learn to read and understand that not every point of view has to gel with your point of view. That they are written within the rules here make it all the more reason that you learn to keep your cool and quite honestly if cannot and resort to calling others names then you lose.
Lot's people are mistaken about what forums are for. They are for discussion mainly but they are also places where posters want to have a chance at airing their grievances and even ones that are very old. There are no rules of how long you can complain and grouse about something because as long as those grievances are not being addressed there is a reason to air them.
This might not be a safe place if you are getting upset when your favourite game isn't getting pink roses and carnations thrown at them. Learn to do a little forum PvPing yourself or at the very least do not resort to calling people arseholes.
Makes me wonder if some people really are Star Citizen Material which is going to require players to be made of a bit sterner stuff than most MMOs today.
If Tom Hanks were a squadron leader in SQ42 he'd probably say "there's no crying in space" or something like that.
Has Chris Roberts issued a news letter to tick off a player who picked a naughty name yet? If not I think SC should be alright when it comes to expectations of player behavior.
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2024 and they will now focus on 'commercial release' That should have been the goal from day 1. Truly bizarre, Bermuda triangle style strange when it comes to SC. It's like a twilight zone.
Is SC open world PvP with looting? If so, it's a goner.
Open Universe PvP with full loot with some safe spaces.
Regulation comes from design around punishement and harsh consequences and reputation consequences.
Players that get flagged for crimes generate a server wide bounty hunting mission that any player can get and gives a location mark of the criminal.
Killing/Catching criminal awards bounty hunters with credits and reputation. Criminals killed are then sent to an actual prision to serve time that can last several hours but also includes a possible escape route.
Also there is "insurance" you can buy for your ships. I know the original KS packages included it. Not sure if they all do or you pay extra now. Also I think the mechanics are still not final. But the theory is that if your ship gets blown up, you can get a replacement. They key will be how to avoid exploits I guess.
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Is SC open world PvP with looting? If so, it's a goner.
Open Universe PvP with full loot with some safe spaces.
Regulation comes from design around punishement and harsh consequences and reputation consequences.
Players that get flagged for crimes generate a server wide bounty hunting mission that any player can get and gives a location mark of the criminal.
Killing/Catching criminal awards bounty hunters with credits and reputation. Criminals killed are then sent to an actual prision to serve time that can last several hours but also includes a possible escape route.
Makes for some entertaining moments
Are these systems in game yet? Or still mostly theoretical?
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Is SC open world PvP with looting? If so, it's a goner.
Open Universe PvP with full loot with some safe spaces.
Regulation comes from design around punishement and harsh consequences and reputation consequences.
Players that get flagged for crimes generate a server wide bounty hunting mission that any player can get and gives a location mark of the criminal.
Killing/Catching criminal awards bounty hunters with credits and reputation. Criminals killed are then sent to an actual prision to serve time that can last several hours but also includes a possible escape route.
Makes for some entertaining moments
Are these systems in game yet? Or still mostly theoretical?
Yes they are in. It's all a lot of fun when it works right....which is rare.
Is SC open world PvP with looting? If so, it's a goner.
Open Universe PvP with full loot with some safe spaces.
Regulation comes from design around punishement and harsh consequences and reputation consequences.
Players that get flagged for crimes generate a server wide bounty hunting mission that any player can get and gives a location mark of the criminal.
Killing/Catching criminal awards bounty hunters with credits and reputation. Criminals killed are then sent to an actual prision to serve time that can last several hours but also includes a possible escape route.
Makes for some entertaining moments
Are these systems in game yet? Or still mostly theoretical?
Yes they are in. It's all a lot of fun when it works right....which is rare.
Thanks for confirming, will be interesting to see how well they all work together post release.
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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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Relentlessly attacking someone's argument is not moderated, should it be? I think there is a point were I would agree, but that point goes beyond one thread. It would be when you are repeatedly posted against by the same individual across threads about many issues. Thats were it is being made personal. Otherwise I don't agree.
Is the person responding? If you continue to state Opinion A why should someone else not be able to refute Opinion A each time?
You can always Ignore other posters and not see their responses.
I think what is different is if you give a thoughtful post about a topic and I just respond over and over with “Game is great you haters” or “Game sux”.
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Just having shouting match in one thread is not enough. But clearly if posters start swearing at each other for post after post in the same thread you can get a ban just for that. We know that because we have seen it happen.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
If Tom Hanks were a squadron leader in SQ42 he'd probably say "there's no crying in space" or something like that.
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I mean yeah it can cause friction but outright rudeness and name calling is definitely bannable. I can understand disdain and outright mockery and even if it is not exactly overtly aggressive it gets the point across. However calling another poster names when you lose your temper is stupid. There is a certain kind of finesse in forum PvP.
People here have been on these forums for donkey's years and they have honed their skill. I don't see anything wrong in forum PvP because we are all not here just to simply praise stuff. If there is a point of view or an outright disagreement then have at it but with civility. Forum PvP does not have to be rude or against the rules.
You have to learn to read and understand that not every point of view has to gel with your point of view. That they are written within the rules here make it all the more reason that you learn to keep your cool and quite honestly if cannot and resort to calling others names then you lose.
Lot's people are mistaken about what forums are for. They are for discussion mainly but they are also places where posters want to have a chance at airing their grievances and even ones that are very old. There are no rules of how long you can complain and grouse about something because as long as those grievances are not being addressed there is a reason to air them.
This might not be a safe place if you are getting upset when your favourite game isn't getting pink roses and carnations thrown at them. Learn to do a little forum PvPing yourself or at the very least do not resort to calling people arseholes.
If so, it's a goner.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
He invited me to "play" SC with him so I asked what and his friends liked doing in game and said they usually just log in to gank other players.
You can bet SC wIll be a gankers paradise when it finally releases.
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Yeah, and the descendants of the Goon Squad will show up in force.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Regulation comes from design around punishement and harsh consequences and reputation consequences.
Players that get flagged for crimes generate a server wide bounty hunting mission that any player can get and gives a location mark of the criminal.
Killing/Catching criminal awards bounty hunters with credits and reputation. Criminals killed are then sent to an actual prision to serve time that can last several hours but also includes a possible escape route.
Makes for some entertaining moments
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Weird.
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