As a recent development, I do feel SoE are listening to its customers. One problem is we generally don't like accepting a "no". The second being its still common for them to be lacking in communication.
However I feel the underlying problem has more to do with that they put deadlines first, so end up fixing things afterwards. Although its looking more promising with the current publish that's on the test center, but I guess only time will tell.
I had no problems with the CU for the most part. But they did lie alot about it. So it was kind of like the war in iraq. They say its to go get the dictator but its really for oil. Yah ok you got the dictator and that is a good thing. But now lets stop lying and be real.
They say it was to balance things and make things level. But in fact it was to make it WoW or EQ in Space. Ok yes you got things balanced somewhat. But now lets stop lying to ourselves and be real.
For almost a year they said how the CU would fix the game and bring back the masses that left. It would make this game the success it should have been.... yadda yadda yadda no new taxes yackity smackity.
Then the CU comes out and people walk. A severe drop for a little while. 250k before the CU. And the numbers get back up to 250k. Now the developers change their story. They go from "It will bring back the masses and make the game the success it was suspposed to be." to "Well things are back to normal so its a complete success." A whole bunch of people jumped up and said "WTH? Excuse me?"
And again threads started getting deleted as they ran damage control. I love that. Like just before the CU, the sandbox guys came out and said whatever it is about to come out isnt what they were testing. But they were promptly shut out and one guy I didnt see post again ever. Hmmm
So it did make things easier to balance in a way. But you still have template stacking and FOTM. Reason is simple. Gamers are as much, if not more, number crunchers as the developers. Once a game comes out they begin their own sandbox. Take about two months before the most powerful class/skillset is known and everyone flocks to it. Only way you can stop that is to make everyone exactly the same. But then it isnt a game anymore.
Basically the CU, to me, is the Game Balance for Dummies book.
Just a genuine question, Kai. Why do you feel its a combat balance for dummies?
I feel combat its more involved now, where you use multiple attacks and manage your defences (i.e. state removal, healing and stances). Where as pre-CU it was buff and spam one or two keys if you were lucky. Or are you simply stating it could have been done better?
As a recent development, I do feel SoE are listening to its customers. One problem is we generally don't like accepting a "no". The second being its still common for them to be lacking in communication. However I feel the underlying problem has more to do with that they put deadlines first, so end up fixing things afterwards. Although its looking more promising with the current publish that's on the test center, but I guess only time will tell.
SOE only hears what they want to hear and everything else doesnt exist to them. They are hearing what they want to hear now about SL and such so IMO it only appears they are finally listening.
For well over a year now the majority have been screaming for no-jedi or PD to be brought back. How big was the one thread about it? Something on the order of 1000 posts wasnt it? But they refuse to even acknowledge it with a 'no'. And if they have then I havent seen it. Even in the chat Q&As you cant get that question asked. Reason? The mods are ordered by the developers not to let the question come in. I know because I talked to a few mods about it. I sat in chat and tried for 30 minutes to get that question asked and the mods finally told me "Sorry, Rogue_5 told us we are not allowed to ask that question among others."
But it might be a bright new future. I have heard rumors that some of the gang that formed the wookie armor revolt will be starting a cancel out to get PD or no-jedi servers or something done in that respect. But its just a rumor. I also heard a rumor that Bush has a 275 IQ and is a fighter pilot. LMAO
Originally posted by grapevine Just a genuine question, Kai. Why do you feel its a combat balance for dummies? I feel combat its more involved now, where you use multiple attacks and manage your defences (i.e. state removal, healing and stances). Where as pre-CU it was buff and spam one or two keys if you were lucky. Or are you simply stating it could have been done better?
Sorry I typed this up once before and lost power. Dang typhoons are starting to annoy me. This is the 5th one in the past month. Real quick then I am out for the day til this thing passes.
I call it combat balance for dummies because they took the easy way out. What was being tested was a full skill set balance. But it was going to take awhile. So they released the quick fix. Instead of balancing to the skill they balanced to the level. Ask some of the sandbox guys, if you can find anymore. I remember alot of threads got deleted when they tried to tell people what they were testing and the CU changed and are going to be two different animals.
Originally posted by Amathe This game has never been worth playing.
Any reasoning behind that or are you just fos? Also, what game ARE you playing if any?
I beta tested SWG. I played it the first 9 months after launch. There is nothing critical I can say about this game that hasn't already been said many times before, and that isn't patently obvious. Besides, it would end up being a two page full blown rant that would up my blood pressure. But if you like it, c'est la vie.
As for me, after playing 6 mmorpgs I am taking a little break. There are several on the horizon that interest me though. Vanguard is one. Dark & Light is another (although I fear big empty world syndrome). Hero's Journey is a third if I can figure out if there is any depth to it. Conan has potential. /shrug This has been a dry year for the genre. But next year is looking good.
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Originally posted by Amathe This game has never been worth playing.
I beta tested SWG. I played it the first 9 months after launch.
So you played it for 9 months after launch yet you state it has never been worth playing? Do you see the crease in your logic? And I knew you weren't playing anything atm: anytime someone makes a one sentence off-hand dissmissal of any game, it is usually an indicator that NO game is making them happy.
Basically you played the game for almost a year and haven't played in what a year or more? Not exactly a person who I would put any trust in on making any sort of review of the game in its current state. Next.
this was my first MMO and i liked it until i found better ones out there. it really kills me that the "Star Wars" MMO is crappy. Star Wars has all the elements to make a great MMO.... it jsut didnt happen. i started playin this game at launch and for 8 months afterward. when people found out how to become jedi the entire server became obsessed with grinding professions to get jedi. no one interested in playing anymore. tried the game again 6 months later and i remembered why i left. MANY better MMOs out there besides this one.
DawG .. you DO know that the game you remember has little to do with SWG at present, dont you ?
You stopped playing right about the time when Pokemon Wars gave way to Holocron Insanity. But you have not seen Jump to Lightspeed space expansion (which gave the game a MUCH needed SW feeling boost), you have not seen all the new quests from Rage of the Wookies, you have not seen the general balancing of the Combat Revamp. The new chef. The new droid engineer. The new Jedi. The new creature handler. House decorating commands. Visibility four times more than at the time you knew it. Etc. etc. So much has changed - for better or worse - its more or less a new game.
Originally posted by IcoGames Erillion are you suggesting that someone play the game before commenting?
Nope, the point I wanted to make here is that the game has changed a lot in the last 18 months. If you played it in 2003 and have not seen it since then, it will look a lot different, it will "feel" a lot different and it will play a lot different.
Have fun
Erillion
and Ico ... "look" and "feel" are the important words here
Originally posted by Erillion DawG .. you DO know that the game you remember has little to do with SWG at present, dont you ? You stopped playing right about the time when Pokemon Wars gave way to Holocron Insanity. But you have not seen Jump to Lightspeed space expansion (which gave the game a MUCH needed SW feeling boost), you have not seen all the new quests from Rage of the Wookies, you have not seen the general balancing of the Combat Revamp. The new chef. The new droid engineer. The new Jedi. The new creature handler. House decorating commands. Visibility four times more than at the time you knew it. Etc. etc. So much has changed - for better or worse - its more or less a new game. Have fun Erillion
So what you're saying is that rather than basing his opinion on what he sees his friends playing and what he reads on message boards, he should actually play the game before commenting on it's features?
Amazing.
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Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Erillion DawG .. you DO know that the game you remember has little to do with SWG at present, dont you ? You stopped playing right about the time when Pokemon Wars gave way to Holocron Insanity. But you have not seen Jump to Lightspeed space expansion (which gave the game a MUCH needed SW feeling boost), you have not seen all the new quests from Rage of the Wookies, you have not seen the general balancing of the Combat Revamp. The new chef. The new droid engineer. The new Jedi. The new creature handler. House decorating commands. Visibility four times more than at the time you knew it. Etc. etc. So much has changed - for better or worse - its more or less a new game. Have fun Erillion
So what you're saying is that rather than basing his opinion on what he sees his friends playing and what he reads on message boards, he should actually play the game before commenting on it's features?
Amazing.
Now why should he do that?
WHY should he HAVE to go and expend the money to buy the broken product in your opinion?
Usually, the people who have limited resources are trying to spend them efficiently, and are the ones asking the question.
"Should I buy this game? Why? Why not?"
It's a valid question. "Buy the Saturn, judge for yourself whether it's a good car" is not a logical answer.
If it's a free download, and free play time, then he can safely judge for himself. If, however, he has to buy the box to find out...then he wasted his money. It would be better to assume that money is the issue here then.
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Originally posted by Wepps Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Erillion DawG .. you DO know that the game you remember has little to do with SWG at present, dont you ? You stopped playing right about the time when Pokemon Wars gave way to Holocron Insanity. But you have not seen Jump to Lightspeed space expansion (which gave the game a MUCH needed SW feeling boost), you have not seen all the new quests from Rage of the Wookies, you have not seen the general balancing of the Combat Revamp. The new chef. The new droid engineer. The new Jedi. The new creature handler. House decorating commands. Visibility four times more than at the time you knew it. Etc. etc. So much has changed - for better or worse - its more or less a new game. Have fun Erillion
So what you're saying is that rather than basing his opinion on what he sees his friends playing and what he reads on message boards, he should actually play the game before commenting on it's features?
Amazing.
Now why should he do that?
WHY should he HAVE to go and expend the money to buy the broken product in your opinion?
Usually, the people who have limited resources are trying to spend them efficiently, and are the ones asking the question.
"Should I buy this game? Why? Why not?"
It's a valid question. "Buy the Saturn, judge for yourself whether it's a good car" is not a logical answer.
If it's a free download, and free play time, then he can safely judge for himself. If, however, he has to buy the box to find out...then he wasted his money. It would be better to assume that money is the issue here then.
I didn't say he should buy the game to try it. I said if he's going to comment on it he should be playing it You can't comment about the quality, or lack thereof, of a game without having actually played it yourself.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
Now why should he do that? WHY should he HAVE to go and expend the money to buy the broken product in your opinion? Usually, the people who have limited resources are trying to spend them efficiently, and are the ones asking the question. "Should I buy this game? Why? Why not?" It's a valid question. "Buy the Saturn, judge for yourself whether it's a good car" is not a logical answer. If it's a free download, and free play time, then he can safely judge for himself. If, however, he has to buy the box to find out...then he wasted his money. It would be better to assume that money is the issue here then.
Because entertainment is subjective. What's fun to one is not to another. However, when dealing with other consumer goods such as the Saturn in your example, "good" or "bad" is rather tangible in the sense that the vehicle may or may not require frequent trips to the shop, has poor gas mileage, etc. Of course you can always test drive vehicles.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Originally posted by grapevine The CU made major improvement and has balanced all professions pretty well. The only realy "broken" profession is Commando, which doesn't really have its own identity (i.e. no added combat moves).
So Commando is still a totally broken class? Wasn't it like that at release? Well...it's only been 2 years, who could blame them.
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Smuggler was a Hybrid Profession available from launch.
From Launch, Smugglers could not smuggle.
As of my most recent information (i.e., about a month ago), Smugglers still could not smuggle.
AFAIK, from the SWG forums, Smuggler remains the most broken and vaguely worthless profession.
This is the same game in which the Devs themselves admitted that they had "failed to deliver the Star Wars experience." Ironically, they have now released a product called "The Total Experience."
I am a Star Wars geek. Hardcore. As soon as I heard about this game coming out, I waited anxiously until I could get my hands on it. I played it for a little over a year.
SOE will never get another penny from me. EVER. They took what should have been the best MMO ever, and instead... *sigh* Words like what I want to say are not printable in a public forum. I have only one word of advice for anyone interested in playing SWG...
Originally posted by TARDISjunkie Let me make this as simple as possible. Smuggler was a Hybrid Profession available from launch. From Launch, Smugglers could not smuggle. As of my most recent information (i.e., about a month ago), Smugglers still could not smuggle. AFAIK, from the SWG forums, Smuggler remains the most broken and vaguely worthless profession. This is the same game in which the Devs themselves admitted that they had "failed to deliver the Star Wars experience." Ironically, they have now released a product called "The Total Experience." I am a Star Wars geek. Hardcore. As soon as I heard about this game coming out, I waited anxiously until I could get my hands on it. I played it for a little over a year. SOE will never get another penny from me. EVER. They took what should have been the best MMO ever, and instead... *sigh* Words like what I want to say are not printable in a public forum. I have only one word of advice for anyone interested in playing SWG...
DON'T.
Why some people feel the need to press enter after every sentence I will never know. Paragraphs are your friend. What I wanted to ask is, when was the last time you played SWG? Oh and smuggling is in concept as we speak.
Originally posted by grapevine The CU made major improvement and has balanced all professions pretty well. The only realy "broken" profession is Commando, which doesn't really have its own identity (i.e. no added combat moves).
So Commando is still a totally broken class? Wasn't it like that at release? Well...it's only been 2 years, who could blame them.
Former: Master CH/Pistoleer
Commando is a bit of an odd profession. It has no special attacks, but obtains it "skills" from the weapons it can use. Which are cone/aoe. So while Commando is weak compaired to other professions if linked with others it can be pretty nasty. A Smugger/Commando is a prime example, with commando weapons the mezzers become aoe. With that combination you can root and prevent recovery for 40s, for anyone within the cone. Very useful if you have multiple mobs or players advancing towards you and "evil" in PvP.
Since Commando is visibly weaker on its own compaired to other combat profession, is why I defined it as broken. Also no it not been 2 year and still broken. Commando was revamped in the CU just like everyone else, it just appears they got them wrong or maybe they are surposed to be simply a bolt on profession. For the latter, they work very well.
Originally posted by anarchyart Why some people feel the need to press enter after every sentence I will never know. Paragraphs are your friend. What I wanted to ask is, when was the last time you played SWG? Oh and smuggling is in concept as we speak.
First I hate to start another arguement but.....
I have seen lots of things go In Concept. Doesnt mean they will make it to Live. With SOE/LA's track record with Smugglers, I wouldnt believe a single word of changes until it hits In Testing. Trust me.
Originally posted by TARDISjunkie Let me make this as simple as possible. Smuggler was a Hybrid Profession available from launch. From Launch, Smugglers could not smuggle. As of my most recent information (i.e., about a month ago), Smugglers still could not smuggle. AFAIK, from the SWG forums, Smuggler remains the most broken and vaguely worthless profession. This is the same game in which the Devs themselves admitted that they had "failed to deliver the Star Wars experience." Ironically, they have now released a product called "The Total Experience." I am a Star Wars geek. Hardcore. As soon as I heard about this game coming out, I waited anxiously until I could get my hands on it. I played it for a little over a year. SOE will never get another penny from me. EVER. They took what should have been the best MMO ever, and instead... *sigh* Words like what I want to say are not printable in a public forum. I have only one word of advice for anyone interested in playing SWG...
DON'T.
Smuggler is not broken or worthless. In fact its one of the most powerful when it comes to combat. Its mezz capabilities are quite impressive. Also they did a good job with the new slicing system, component availability aside. As from smuggling, a prime example why not to post when you don't know what you are talking about......its being worked on and could be as soon as November.
Wait for a free trial period and test it for yourself. Simple fact is every MMO developer/producer/franchise has fanbois and trolls. You'll get opinons from both sides and find it very difficult to garner a consistent response.
Proof of the pudding is in the eating...MMO's exactly the same.
Originally posted by Amathe This game has never been worth playing.
I beta tested SWG. I played it the first 9 months after launch.
So you played it for 9 months after launch yet you state it has never been worth playing? Do you see the crease in your logic? And I knew you weren't playing anything atm: anytime someone makes a one sentence off-hand dissmissal of any game, it is usually an indicator that NO game is making them happy.
Basically you played the game for almost a year and haven't played in what a year or more? Not exactly a person who I would put any trust in on making any sort of review of the game in its current state. Next.
No, I don't see a "crease in my logic." But I do see that a noisesome little board jockey has taken interest in my post. Someone's parents V-chipped the cartoon network again and I have to pay for it.
I stayed in SWG for as long as I did based upon their repeated assurances that what was wrong with the game was about to be fixed, and that wonderful new content was right around the corner. Then I finally got sick of those lies and quit.
For example, when I was playing I spent many, many weeks working on the "Hero of Tantooine" quest. I got two, maybe three of the badges necessary(I forget). The rest were bugged. The main quest could not be completed because several parts to the subquest were bugged. So I waited. And waited. And waited. They kept promising to fix it. Then they took the quest out of the game! That is only one of hundreds of examples of SOE's crap I lived with when I played, which I would share with you if I enjoyed speaking to you, but I don't.
I really don't care what conclusion you draw from my decision to wait for some of the better releases coming out soon than to waste time on what I already know is not what I am looking for.
No I haven't played SWG recently. I haven't broken any bones recently either, but past experiences with that advise me I won't like it any better than I did the first time.
Please. Play SWG. Spend all your time there. I can think of no better revenge for your sarcasm and display of cluelessness.
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I had no problems with the CU for the most part. But they did lie alot about it. So it was kind of like the war in iraq. They say its to go get the dictator but its really for oil. Yah ok you got the dictator and that is a good thing. But now lets stop lying and be real.
They say it was to balance things and make things level. But in fact it was to make it WoW or EQ in Space. Ok yes you got things balanced somewhat. But now lets stop lying to ourselves and be real.
For almost a year they said how the CU would fix the game and bring back the masses that left. It would make this game the success it should have been.... yadda yadda yadda no new taxes yackity smackity.
Then the CU comes out and people walk. A severe drop for a little while. 250k before the CU. And the numbers get back up to 250k. Now the developers change their story. They go from "It will bring back the masses and make the game the success it was suspposed to be." to "Well things are back to normal so its a complete success." A whole bunch of people jumped up and said "WTH? Excuse me?"
And again threads started getting deleted as they ran damage control. I love that. Like just before the CU, the sandbox guys came out and said whatever it is about to come out isnt what they were testing. But they were promptly shut out and one guy I didnt see post again ever. Hmmm
So it did make things easier to balance in a way. But you still have template stacking and FOTM. Reason is simple. Gamers are as much, if not more, number crunchers as the developers. Once a game comes out they begin their own sandbox. Take about two months before the most powerful class/skillset is known and everyone flocks to it. Only way you can stop that is to make everyone exactly the same. But then it isnt a game anymore.
Basically the CU, to me, is the Game Balance for Dummies book.
Kai
Just a genuine question, Kai. Why do you feel its a combat balance for dummies?
I feel combat its more involved now, where you use multiple attacks and manage your defences (i.e. state removal, healing and stances). Where as pre-CU it was buff and spam one or two keys if you were lucky. Or are you simply stating it could have been done better?
SOE only hears what they want to hear and everything else doesnt exist to them. They are hearing what they want to hear now about SL and such so IMO it only appears they are finally listening.
For well over a year now the majority have been screaming for no-jedi or PD to be brought back. How big was the one thread about it? Something on the order of 1000 posts wasnt it? But they refuse to even acknowledge it with a 'no'. And if they have then I havent seen it. Even in the chat Q&As you cant get that question asked. Reason? The mods are ordered by the developers not to let the question come in. I know because I talked to a few mods about it. I sat in chat and tried for 30 minutes to get that question asked and the mods finally told me "Sorry, Rogue_5 told us we are not allowed to ask that question among others."
But it might be a bright new future. I have heard rumors that some of the gang that formed the wookie armor revolt will be starting a cancel out to get PD or no-jedi servers or something done in that respect. But its just a rumor. I also heard a rumor that Bush has a 275 IQ and is a fighter pilot. LMAO
Kai
Sorry I typed this up once before and lost power. Dang typhoons are starting to annoy me. This is the 5th one in the past month. Real quick then I am out for the day til this thing passes.
I call it combat balance for dummies because they took the easy way out. What was being tested was a full skill set balance. But it was going to take awhile. So they released the quick fix. Instead of balancing to the skill they balanced to the level. Ask some of the sandbox guys, if you can find anymore. I remember alot of threads got deleted when they tried to tell people what they were testing and the CU changed and are going to be two different animals.
Sorry storm gettin worse
Kai
I beta tested SWG. I played it the first 9 months after launch. There is nothing critical I can say about this game that hasn't already been said many times before, and that isn't patently obvious. Besides, it would end up being a two page full blown rant that would up my blood pressure. But if you like it, c'est la vie.
As for me, after playing 6 mmorpgs I am taking a little break. There are several on the horizon that interest me though. Vanguard is one. Dark & Light is another (although I fear big empty world syndrome). Hero's Journey is a third if I can figure out if there is any depth to it. Conan has potential. /shrug This has been a dry year for the genre. But next year is looking good.
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I beta tested SWG. I played it the first 9 months after launch.
So you played it for 9 months after launch yet you state it has never been worth playing? Do you see the crease in your logic?
And I knew you weren't playing anything atm: anytime someone makes a one sentence off-hand dissmissal of any game, it is usually an indicator that NO game is making them happy.
Basically you played the game for almost a year and haven't played in what a year or more? Not exactly a person who I would put any trust in on making any sort of review of the game in its current state. Next.
DawG .. you DO know that the game you remember has little to do with SWG at present, dont you ?
You stopped playing right about the time when Pokemon Wars gave way to Holocron Insanity. But you have not seen Jump to Lightspeed space expansion (which gave the game a MUCH needed SW feeling boost), you have not seen all the new quests from Rage of the Wookies, you have not seen the general balancing of the Combat Revamp. The new chef. The new droid engineer. The new Jedi. The new creature handler. House decorating commands. Visibility four times more than at the time you knew it. Etc. etc. So much has changed - for better or worse - its more or less a new game.
Have fun
Erillion
Erillion are you suggesting that someone play the game before commenting?
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Nope, the point I wanted to make here is that the game has changed a lot in the last 18 months. If you played it in 2003 and have not seen it since then, it will look a lot different, it will "feel" a lot different and it will play a lot different.
Have fun
Erillion
So what you're saying is that rather than basing his opinion on what he sees his friends playing and what he reads on message boards, he should actually play the game before commenting on it's features?
Amazing.
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So what you're saying is that rather than basing his opinion on what he sees his friends playing and what he reads on message boards, he should actually play the game before commenting on it's features?
Amazing.
Now why should he do that?
WHY should he HAVE to go and expend the money to buy the broken product in your opinion?
Usually, the people who have limited resources are trying to spend them efficiently, and are the ones asking the question.
"Should I buy this game? Why? Why not?"
It's a valid question. "Buy the Saturn, judge for yourself whether it's a good car" is not a logical answer.
If it's a free download, and free play time, then he can safely judge for himself. If, however, he has to buy the box to find out...then he wasted his money. It would be better to assume that money is the issue here then.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
So what you're saying is that rather than basing his opinion on what he sees his friends playing and what he reads on message boards, he should actually play the game before commenting on it's features?
Amazing.
Now why should he do that?
WHY should he HAVE to go and expend the money to buy the broken product in your opinion?
Usually, the people who have limited resources are trying to spend them efficiently, and are the ones asking the question.
"Should I buy this game? Why? Why not?"
It's a valid question. "Buy the Saturn, judge for yourself whether it's a good car" is not a logical answer.
If it's a free download, and free play time, then he can safely judge for himself. If, however, he has to buy the box to find out...then he wasted his money. It would be better to assume that money is the issue here then.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
Ack my bad.
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Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
So Commando is still a totally broken class? Wasn't it like that at release? Well...it's only been 2 years, who could blame them.
Former: Master CH/Pistoleer
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Let me make this as simple as possible.
Smuggler was a Hybrid Profession available from launch.
From Launch, Smugglers could not smuggle.
As of my most recent information (i.e., about a month ago), Smugglers still could not smuggle.
AFAIK, from the SWG forums, Smuggler remains the most broken and vaguely worthless profession.
This is the same game in which the Devs themselves admitted that they had "failed to deliver the Star Wars experience." Ironically, they have now released a product called "The Total Experience."
I am a Star Wars geek. Hardcore. As soon as I heard about this game coming out, I waited anxiously until I could get my hands on it. I played it for a little over a year.
SOE will never get another penny from me. EVER. They took what should have been the best MMO ever, and instead... *sigh* Words like what I want to say are not printable in a public forum. I have only one word of advice for anyone interested in playing SWG...
DON'T.
So Commando is still a totally broken class? Wasn't it like that at release? Well...it's only been 2 years, who could blame them.
Former: Master CH/Pistoleer
Commando is a bit of an odd profession. It has no special attacks, but obtains it "skills" from the weapons it can use. Which are cone/aoe. So while Commando is weak compaired to other professions if linked with others it can be pretty nasty. A Smugger/Commando is a prime example, with commando weapons the mezzers become aoe. With that combination you can root and prevent recovery for 40s, for anyone within the cone. Very useful if you have multiple mobs or players advancing towards you and "evil" in PvP.
Since Commando is visibly weaker on its own compaired to other combat profession, is why I defined it as broken. Also no it not been 2 year and still broken. Commando was revamped in the CU just like everyone else, it just appears they got them wrong or maybe they are surposed to be simply a bolt on profession. For the latter, they work very well.
First I hate to start another arguement but.....
I have seen lots of things go In Concept. Doesnt mean they will make it to Live. With SOE/LA's track record with Smugglers, I wouldnt believe a single word of changes until it hits In Testing. Trust me.
Kai
Wait for a free trial period and test it for yourself. Simple fact is every MMO developer/producer/franchise has fanbois and trolls. You'll get opinons from both sides and find it very difficult to garner a consistent response.
Proof of the pudding is in the eating...MMO's exactly the same.
I beta tested SWG. I played it the first 9 months after launch.
So you played it for 9 months after launch yet you state it has never been worth playing? Do you see the crease in your logic?
And I knew you weren't playing anything atm: anytime someone makes a one sentence off-hand dissmissal of any game, it is usually an indicator that NO game is making them happy.
Basically you played the game for almost a year and haven't played in what a year or more? Not exactly a person who I would put any trust in on making any sort of review of the game in its current state. Next.
No, I don't see a "crease in my logic." But I do see that a noisesome little board jockey has taken interest in my post. Someone's parents V-chipped the cartoon network again and I have to pay for it.
I stayed in SWG for as long as I did based upon their repeated assurances that what was wrong with the game was about to be fixed, and that wonderful new content was right around the corner. Then I finally got sick of those lies and quit.
For example, when I was playing I spent many, many weeks working on the "Hero of Tantooine" quest. I got two, maybe three of the badges necessary(I forget). The rest were bugged. The main quest could not be completed because several parts to the subquest were bugged. So I waited. And waited. And waited. They kept promising to fix it. Then they took the quest out of the game! That is only one of hundreds of examples of SOE's crap I lived with when I played, which I would share with you if I enjoyed speaking to you, but I don't.
I really don't care what conclusion you draw from my decision to wait for some of the better releases coming out soon than to waste time on what I already know is not what I am looking for.
No I haven't played SWG recently. I haven't broken any bones recently either, but past experiences with that advise me I won't like it any better than I did the first time.
Please. Play SWG. Spend all your time there. I can think of no better revenge for your sarcasm and display of cluelessness.
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