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anyone see the post about lucas walking outa of a meeting about swg?

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  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234

    Now hold the horses right there!  Wasn't this supershadow dude the one that has been claiming to be in the know with Lucas and was found to be a fraud?

    "I heard something on SuperShadow.com. Is it true?
    Possibly, but don't count on it. While SuperShadow gets some of his information from legitimate sources, much of it is made up. SuperShadow is regarded as a fraud by most of the Star Wars online community. Not only does he make up information, but he also has no problem with ripping off things from other websites (e.g. his galaxy map is stolen from www.nav-computer.com). For reasonably reliable Star Wars news, I recommend www.TheForce.net. The only absolutely trustworthy online source of information about Star Wars is the official site at www.StarWars.com. For more information on SuperShadow and his lies, check out this Star Wars Wiki article. "

    http://yodasdatapad.com/livingroom/questionscomments/faq/

    The funny thing is you said this..."I wouldn't use kjfett for supporting evidence." when in reality...you should have known "I wouldn't use SuperShadow (aka Mickey Suttle) for supporting evidence."  image

    Here is the Wiki...http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Supershadow

    and the first line?

    "Mickey Suttle should be beaten to a bloody pulp for some of the shit he pulls on his website."
    — Nathan Butler 

    Nathan P. Butler is the author of creator of the the Star Wars Tales story Equals and Opposites. His fan works include the Star Wars Timeline Gold chronological reference, the internet radio show ChronoRadio (at Star Wars Fanworks (http://starwarsfanworks.com)), and several fan audio dramas.

    Its one thing for me to claim I know I guy that was an intern and tell anyone to take it with a grain of salt.  Supershadow is an outright liar as has been proven time and time again.

  • grapevinegrapevine Member UncommonPosts: 1,927
    Yep and oddly enough every reply he claims came from George seems to praise how much of a god send he is, just as much as it contains anything else.
  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234

    Ohh and "If this is not proof enough I pwn joo."?  Yeah..you sure pwned us with your SuperShadow references.  None of us Star Wars fans hold a candle next to him.  image 

    I can't even say that with a straight face. lol image image image image image image image

  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077


    Originally posted by kjfett
    Originally posted by Jodokai Originally posted by kjfett Gotta agree with Fadeus on this one. While I do beleive that LA and SOE are both equally responsible for the mess brought about by the NGE, I do not believe that Lucas walked into a meeting with SOE because Torres got blind sided by the NGE....nor do I believe that Lucas had so much envovlement to actually be in a meeting about jedi. I do know he keeps tabs on things, but get real....Lucase wasn't born on a farm yesterday.
    Oh come on sure he did. He was on the set of the prequals and said, "Whoa, hold on guys. SOE is screwing up Jedi in one of my hundreds of video games. Stop everything while I go meet with them. Sure I started a whole company to take care of things like this, but I always like to make sure I pay people that don't do their jobs."
    That's how it happened right?
    And just to be clear on something else: SOE's offices are in California, LucasArts' are in Austin, focus groups for the NGE were held where now? Ah, any lights come on for anyone?lol. That exactly it! You make a good point as well....the ones defending LA only end up making the company look like one of the worst run companies in the US. image


    Not defending SOE but the SWG offices are in Austin. Might want to check your facts.

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  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234



    Originally posted by Elnator




    Originally posted by kjfett


    Originally posted by Jodokai


    Originally posted by kjfett Gotta agree with Fadeus on this one. While I do beleive that LA and SOE are both equally responsible for the mess brought about by the NGE, I do not believe that Lucas walked into a meeting with SOE because Torres got blind sided by the NGE....nor do I believe that Lucas had so much envovlement to actually be in a meeting about jedi. I do know he keeps tabs on things, but get real....Lucase wasn't born on a farm yesterday.


    Oh come on sure he did. He was on the set of the prequals and said, "Whoa, hold on guys. SOE is screwing up Jedi in one of my hundreds of video games. Stop everything while I go meet with them. Sure I started a whole company to take care of things like this, but I always like to make sure I pay people that don't do their jobs."
    That's how it happened right?
    And just to be clear on something else: SOE's offices are in California, LucasArts' are in Austin, focus groups for the NGE were held where now? Ah, any lights come on for anyone?
    lol. That exactly it! You make a good point as well....the ones defending LA only end up making the company look like one of the worst run companies in the US. image



    Not defending SOE but the SWG offices are in Austin. Might want to check your facts.



    I didn't say they weren't.  The guy I quoted did.  image
  • haxxjoohaxxjoo Member Posts: 924

    ty el.

    I didn't say this was 100% accurate.  I am just passing out information that supports my view of LA not A) Being the demi-god people make them out to be and B) to support a theory I believe MIGHT be true.

    Is this fake? Is he making up interviews and questions to Lucas? Is he posting that on his website and it is 100% inaccurate.  You can decide.  I dont doubt its possible. 

    I am not the one making fun of people who actually might think a rumor could be true to some extent.  No one at SOE is denying this occurred. 

  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077


    Originally posted by haxxjoo
    ty el.
    I didn't say this was 100% accurate. I am just passing out information that supports my view of LA not A) Being the demi-god people make them out to be and B) to support a theory I believe MIGHT be true.
    Is this fake? Is he making up interviews and questions to Lucas? Is he posting that on his website and it is 100% inaccurate. You can decide. I dont doubt its possible.
    I am not the one making fun of people who actually might think a rumor could be true to some extent. No one at SOE is denying this occurred.

    I'm not making fun of anyone either. But the rumor is a hoax. There is no way George Lucas went to SOE's office. He'd send a flunkie... and if the flunkie didn't get the right answers either the flunkie, or soe or both would get the axe. George is NOT very forgiving when it comes to Star Wars. (Not that he has much of a leg to stand on with most of us ever since Jar Jar).

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  • grapevinegrapevine Member UncommonPosts: 1,927

    If it came from SuperShadow then yes its fake, or stolen from someone else's source.

    It a well known fact he makes up interviews and many other things.  His site contains some factual information, but its second hand.  End result is unless you see it somewhere else, don't believe it.

  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234



    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    ty el.
    I didn't say this was 100% accurate.  I am just passing out information that supports my view of LA not A) Being the demi-god people make them out to be and B) to support a theory I believe MIGHT be true.
    Is this fake? Is he making up interviews and questions to Lucas? Is he posting that on his website and it is 100% inaccurate.  You can decide.  I dont doubt its possible. 
    I am not the one making fun of people who actually might think a rumor could be true to some extent.  No one at SOE is denying this occurred. 



    Yeah...cause SOE and LA are going to comment on what he posts on his website. image Stick to your opinions.  Trying to support them with "quotes" from that clown don't help you at all.  Ohh..and next time you want to bring doubt to my credibility...try doing it with support from someone other than the biggest joke in SW media please. :|  kkthxbai
  • haxxjoohaxxjoo Member Posts: 924

    fair enough el.

    I dont totally disagree with that assessment.  I am just sick of having people say. I know a guy in or guild and he works for lucas and he coded into sony's game code and LA is just as involved.  It not only is not possible it would be insane for sony to let its source code be in the hands of competing organization.

    All I am saying is the rumor lucas is not happy with the direction of the game is quiet possible and he may very well be upset that a force ranking system is not in the game.  I dont believe he walked out of a meeting.  I believe he meets with sony executives.  I believe he may have requested a meeting.  I believe Julio Torres may have requested he be there. 

    Saying it is "impossible" is what bothers me.  It may be unlikely that lucas would involve himself directly but if swg is really on the verge of collapse then he might be stand up and say how much money would we loose if this game fails?  He might just be interested. 200,00 roughly times 14.99 and he is getting a cut of that.  You all think he would be fine if that was suddenly gone?

  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234



    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    fair enough el.
    I dont totally disagree with that assessment.  I am just sick of having people say. I know a guy in or guild and he works for lucas and he coded into sony's game code and LA is just as involved.  It not only is not possible it would be insane for sony to let its source code be in the hands of competing organization.
    All I am saying is the rumor lucas is not happy with the direction of the game is quiet possible and he may very well be upset that a force ranking system is not in the game.  I dont believe he walked out of a meeting.  I believe he meets with sony executives.  I believe he may have requested a meeting.  I believe Julio Torres may have requested he be there. 
    Saying it is "impossible" is what bothers me.  It may be unlikely that lucas would involve himself directly but if swg is really on the verge of collapse then he might be stand up and say how much money would we loose if this game fails?  He might just be interested. 200,00 roughly times 14.99 and he is getting a cut of that.  You all think he would be fine if that was suddenly gone?



    I didn't tell you to believe me, nor do I care if you do.  It was simply a comment to support my claim that LA is more involved in this mess than some would like to let them off with.  It does have more credability than SS though.  You don't have to like any of that.  Lots of people believed the world was flat as well.  They used to hang people that suggested otehrwise.  Whatever floats our boat.

  • DarktongueDarktongue Member Posts: 276

    LOL well i just got perma banned from SWG forums for posting this HAHA!

     

    What does THAT say to you? Wasnt rude or flaming or trolling or mass posting, mentioned twice. And TH banned me haha! tosser. Well i guess i now know what side of truth this thread is on eh?

    glug glug glug glug* the sound of swg going down the drain :)

  • OawiOawi Member Posts: 2



    Originally posted by Darktongue

    LOL well i just got perma banned from SWG forums for posting this HAHA!
     
    What does THAT say to you? Wasnt rude or flaming or trolling or mass posting, mentioned twice. And TH banned me haha! tosser. Well i guess i now know what side of truth this thread is on eh?
    glug glug glug glug* the sound of swg going down the drain :)



    lol is that why the forums are going slow for me loading up or timing out? I found this site from the post over their on the gen discussion board heh..   was reading that thread with the whole "is this really insider info" and finally TH responded saying it was only a rumor but never actually denied it.. just locked the thread but didnt' delete it at that time.

    not sure if the thread is deleted now swg forums are going waaay slow for me right now might just be my isp though *shrug*


  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234



    Originally posted by Darktongue

    LOL well i just got perma banned from SWG forums for posting this HAHA!
     
    What does THAT say to you? Wasnt rude or flaming or trolling or mass posting, mentioned twice. And TH banned me haha! tosser. Well i guess i now know what side of truth this thread is on eh?
    glug glug glug glug* the sound of swg going down the drain :)



    Posting the SS junk or that Lucas walked out?  Regardless...TH and the Mods have been cracking down hard the last week.  Many are banned and many more have seen threads removed.  You have to be good at making flames to keep them from getting deleted over there.  Its a miracle that I hit 3500 posts before my account was locked down.
  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234



    Originally posted by Oawi



    Originally posted by Darktongue

    LOL well i just got perma banned from SWG forums for posting this HAHA!
     
    What does THAT say to you? Wasnt rude or flaming or trolling or mass posting, mentioned twice. And TH banned me haha! tosser. Well i guess i now know what side of truth this thread is on eh?
    glug glug glug glug* the sound of swg going down the drain :)


    lol is that why the forums are going slow for me loading up or timing out? I found this site from the post over their on the gen discussion board heh..   was reading that thread with the whole "is this really insider info" and finally TH responded saying it was only a rumor but never actually denied it.. just locked the thread but didnt' delete it at that time.

    not sure if the thread is deleted now swg forums are going waaay slow for me right now might just be my isp though *shrug*





    Is from all the vets flocking to the forums to see the new posts by the dev team that details all the major changes coming along with the time line by dates. image
  • OawiOawi Member Posts: 2



    Originally posted by kjfett

    Is from all the vets flocking to the forums to see the new posts by the dev team that details all the major changes coming along with the time line by dates. image




    lmao

  • vladracvladrac Member Posts: 72


    Originally posted by Jodokai
    The whole story is crap.
    The part I can prove:
    JULIO TORES IS THE PRODUCER OF SWG AND WORKS FOR LUCASARTS. As the producer HE is responsible for setting and making sure the team meets deadlines.
    The parts I can't prove, but can logically deduce:
    First I doubt George Lucas has any idea SWG is still around. I don't think he gives a rat's @$$ about video games as long as they bring in money. I would be extreamly suprised if you said FRS and he had any idea what the hell you were talking about. There is a reason his name isn't on any of the credits for the game.
    I REALLY wish you people would get a clue and realize that LucasArts ddin't just sell the licence, they are just as involved with the making of the game as SOE.

    My thoughts exactly lol, these threads are fairly entertaining though you have to admit.

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  • ArtifacTArtifacT Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by vladrac
    Originally posted by Jodokai
    The whole story is crap.
    The part I can prove:
    JULIO TORES IS THE PRODUCER OF SWG AND WORKS FOR LUCASARTS. As the producer HE is responsible for setting and making sure the team meets deadlines.
    The parts I can't prove, but can logically deduce:
    First I doubt George Lucas has any idea SWG is still around. I don't think he gives a rat's @$$ about video games as long as they bring in money. I would be extreamly suprised if you said FRS and he had any idea what the hell you were talking about. There is a reason his name isn't on any of the credits for the game.
    I REALLY wish you people would get a clue and realize that LucasArts ddin't just sell the licence, they are just as involved with the making of the game as SOE.

    My thoughts exactly lol, these threads are fairly entertaining though you have to admit.



    haha rgr that!

  • JodokaiJodokai Member Posts: 1,621



    Originally posted by Elnator


    Not defending SOE but the SWG offices are in Austin. Might want to check your facts.


    Just to be clear I was in the process of editing my post when it was quoted. If you look back  at the original you'll see the correction (and the time I made the correction)
  • JodokaiJodokai Member Posts: 1,621



    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    SOE's SWG Team works out of Austin.  That is where the brawler correspondent was flown to who orginally broke the NGE on the forums.  Skywalker Ranch is the name of the well-disguised workplace of film director and producer George Lucas in secluded but open country near Nicasio, California.
    The original post was corrected.
    I dont make LA sound at all incompentent.  They dont code the game.
    You are correct. All of the programmers (AFAIK) are SOE employees.
     They only see what SOE shows them until its live.  They may have been told something completely false. 
    Then the producer isn't doing his job, the LucasArts Employee isn't doing his job, so he holds some of the responsibility.
     Shown something non-existant by SOE.  Ever seen the capital ship demo shown to fans at the fanfest?
    And they have said in a recent interview, that it might still be a possibility.
     Watch an SOE produced commerical of the game with Vader fighting out in the woods?
    No, and neither have you. You see all Marketing is done by LucasArts. Advertising is included in Marketing (again credits in the book will tell you this if you don't beleive me.)
    Alright, everyone just to keep you all honest.  This person posted this thread off rumor.  You are all saying George Lucas couldn't be involved to the degree stated and that its comical right?
    Consider this.  President of SOE John Smedley posts on swg forums again.  Julio Torres is posting.  Two people of the level of george lucas. 
    John Smeadley is a little closer to George Lucas, since J. S. is president of one company of the Sony Conglomerate, Where George Lucas is head of many companies, Julio Torres is the producer of one game out of hundreds LucasArts owns. I doubt Geroge Lucas even knows his name.
    You realize the magnitude of the President of SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT posting in the forums on the NGE issues? That is not some small thing.  They have some 20 different games listed on there sight that he is responsible for.  When a companies president posts you know something is happening.  When the executive LA producer cancels interviews at the last minute because of questions about the title he is producing you know something is not right.
    Smeadley posts whenever something big happens to any of his games. Station Exchange for EQ2, he was there. The first CU he was there. This is no indication that G.L. came down on him.
    To tell me that these folks could be visible involved and that george lucas isn't is kind of unfair.  If George Lucas is not happy he told his lawyers pull the license as soon as possible.  At which point we will know for certain.
    I don't know this for a fact, but I can pretty much guess, the only thing G.L. knows about LucasArts is he checks his stocks, if they're up he's happy, if they're down he's not. Sure he sits in on board meetings, but I imagine they would have to do more with business. The man is not a game maker, he just realized he could make a lot of money by porting his lisence to games.
    I will leave you with this. If this is not proof enough I pwn joo.
    This has been touched on enough, but in the future if you don't want to be made fun of for posting stuff like I would avoid phrases like "I pwn joo"



  • mrBullmrBull Member Posts: 4

    Whats an FRS? in the first place.

  • treed0223treed0223 Member Posts: 84
    everyone knows that lucas wanted a force ranking system in game, he needed to prove that he was number one...he implemented jedi in the game because he was tired of being the only RL jedi..duh
  • haxxjoohaxxjoo Member Posts: 924



    Originally posted by Jodokai



    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    SOE's SWG Team works out of Austin.  That is where the brawler correspondent was flown to who orginally broke the NGE on the forums.  Skywalker Ranch is the name of the well-disguised workplace of film director and producer George Lucas in secluded but open country near Nicasio, California.
    The original post was corrected.
    I dont make LA sound at all incompentent.  They dont code the game.
    You are correct. All of the programmers (AFAIK) are SOE employees.
     They only see what SOE shows them until its live.  They may have been told something completely false. 
    Then the producer isn't doing his job, the LucasArts Employee isn't doing his job, so he holds some of the responsibility.
     Shown something non-existant by SOE.  Ever seen the capital ship demo shown to fans at the fanfest?
    And they have said in a recent interview, that it might still be a possibility.
     Watch an SOE produced commerical of the game with Vader fighting out in the woods?
    No, and neither have you. You see all Marketing is done by LucasArts. Advertising is included in Marketing (again credits in the book will tell you this if you don't beleive me.)
    Alright, everyone just to keep you all honest.  This person posted this thread off rumor.  You are all saying George Lucas couldn't be involved to the degree stated and that its comical right?
    Consider this.  President of SOE John Smedley posts on swg forums again.  Julio Torres is posting.  Two people of the level of george lucas. 
    John Smeadley is a little closer to George Lucas, since J. S. is president of one company of the Sony Conglomerate, Where George Lucas is head of many companies, Julio Torres is the producer of one game out of hundreds LucasArts owns. I doubt Geroge Lucas even knows his name.
    You realize the magnitude of the President of SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT posting in the forums on the NGE issues? That is not some small thing.  They have some 20 different games listed on there sight that he is responsible for.  When a companies president posts you know something is happening.  When the executive LA producer cancels interviews at the last minute because of questions about the title he is producing you know something is not right.
    Smeadley posts whenever something big happens to any of his games. Station Exchange for EQ2, he was there. The first CU he was there. This is no indication that G.L. came down on him.
    To tell me that these folks could be visible involved and that george lucas isn't is kind of unfair.  If George Lucas is not happy he told his lawyers pull the license as soon as possible.  At which point we will know for certain.
    I don't know this for a fact, but I can pretty much guess, the only thing G.L. knows about LucasArts is he checks his stocks, if they're up he's happy, if they're down he's not. Sure he sits in on board meetings, but I imagine they would have to do more with business. The man is not a game maker, he just realized he could make a lot of money by porting his lisence to games.
    I will leave you with this. If this is not proof enough I pwn joo.
    This has been touched on enough, but in the future if you don't want to be made fun of for posting stuff like I would avoid phrases like "I pwn joo"



    Not going to get to much into this whole thing again.  I dont care about people poking fun.  SOE would have produced that video of vader and given it to LA to put into the commerical.  Torres is obviously not doing his job.  No doubt about that.  I just think saying LA is involved in the scope you think is inaccurate.  You'll also note in the podcast here about swg they refer most of the credit/blame to SOE.  THat is where I think it NEEDS to be focused.

    Lastly Lucas Arts is privately held.  No shares.  He isn't worried about stock prices in the sense of how is my companys share price.  He has a total picture of his finances.  If he is getting a monthly royalty check from SOE that his accountants cashs into an account he holds and that check keeps getting smaller and smaller and suddenly gets cut by a signifcant amount George might take notice.  He might start asking about SOE coming up short 1 million clams.  I dont think it is beyond the realm of possibilites with the reports out of the servers on total population numbers that this did not occur and that Lucas himself went to ask what the problem was.

    Not to mention is he even engaged in any projects currently? It would be one thing if he was taking a break off a movie to pay soe a visit.  Its another if he is hanging out and bumming around the ranch and starts seeing wide spread media coverage of a star wars product.

    I dont pretend to have any "inside" information.  All we are doing is speculating.  This is post mentioned above and shadows are 2 different sources claiming Lucas might have met with SOE.  I am of course trying to see if LA has any comments on either story.  It is at least worth the email to see if they would care to respond to the claims.  Just dismissing these rumors is not correct. I was hoping SOE and LA would address this. 

    The only response to date has been its a rumor.  That is neither a denial or acceptance of any charges.  The only thing we know is they have acknowledged a rumor.  It is very SOE to make statements like that and base them on wording.  Starter kit comes to mind.

    I hope maybe the MMORPG staff might take at least my limited research and use there connections to get some sort of comment from Lucas Arts on if Lucas A) Recently meet with SOE over issues relating to swg and B) If they'd care to comment on rumors George himself was not pleased with the lack of an frs.  It isn't like that is some national security issue.  They should be able to respond to this.

    If it isn't true at all there is no reason they wouldn't deny it.  I would take LA at its word on this.  I know I wont get a response though.  So please mmorpg.com ask la.

    if someone would post my two questions on the general game discussion and ask a red name to answer if they could. Beyond its a rumor.

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