That and the fact that 5 million friggen people play it That probably had influence on the fact that it's in the list
5 million people _HAVE tried_ it... They're not all still playing it.
Thats the misleading part of whenever Blizzard announces its numbers, its not how many current subscribers, just how many have tried playing it. Not that that has anything to do with this topic, I just wanted to chime in about Blizzards 5 million.
Sorry bud but you're wrong. WoW has 5 million CUSTOMERS. They define a customer as...
World of Warcraft's Customer Definition World of Warcraft customers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or purchased a prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the installation box bundled with one free month access. Internet Game Room players that have accessed the game over the last seven days are also counted as customers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired pre-paid cards. Customers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.
George was right only 5 million have tried it, becuase in asia its a pay hourly game, not a monthy subscription, so even if they played for 5 mins blizzard counts them as a subscriber.
"George was right only 5 million have tried it, becuase in asia its a pay hourly game, not a monthy subscription, so even if they played for 5 mins blizzard counts them as a subscriber."
I too must cast my vote for EQ2, the reason most folks dont think its the best is they simply do not have the hardware to take advantage of it. Check that game out on a dual 7800 system sometime at the highest graphics settings.. its stunning... of course on most "mortal" systems, its just mediocre... infact, not nearly as nice as many others. Sadly Sony designed their engine too far out for the games lifespan. The game will most likely atrophy and die before the majority of pcs can run it at full graphics.
Originally posted by Zeal^_^ Originally posted by ReLyT GW: Not even close the the best graphics and sorry to say but if you think they are you obviously havent tried very many games within the last couple years... or even seen screenshots. Its not that the graphics are BAD, they're actually quite good. Just that there are definately better ones out there.
Yes i have played many many many games past few years. And ur right it's not the best graphics but it fits for the game and makes GW a GW. I couldn't imagine GW with WOW graphics =P
Ya well the style WoW used doesn't work for very many games Besides the topic is BEST graphics... not most suitable graphics
I rest my case
"Its good to question authority... just not mine."
EQ2 has some sweet graphics. You'll need a pretty darn good video card and computer to really enjoy the graphics at their very best. If you have an average system, you'll likely not be that impressed.
WOW is just bland and boring to me.
DDO has some interesting graphics. I played it during the stress test and I found the graphics pretty similar to EQ2. Sadly, the game is so awful that most won't care about the graphics.
RF Online actually looks better in screenshots than it does in real-time. I especially hate the ground texteres. They are absolutely featureless. The buildings and structures somewhat resemble WOW, while the character models somewhat resemble Lineage 2. One thing that I hate about the character models are the painted-on armor..
Lineage 2 I believe has the best all-around graphics. Ground textures are fantastic. Buildings and structures are great. Character models are really nice (with the exception of the painted-on unblinking faces). But the har and armor move with the player and are not painted-on.
See this really drives me nuts. 10 pages of responces and the majority of people agree that WoW does not belong in the catagory for best graphics. It should of been replaced with Saga of Ryzom. Of course Ryzom doesn't have the demanding players that Eve does so no one will push for that to happen.
Originally posted by sleepyguyftl See this really drives me nuts. 10 pages of responces and the majority of people agree that WoW does not belong in the catagory for best graphics. It should of been replaced with Saga of Ryzom. Of course Ryzom doesn't have the demanding players that Eve does so no one will push for that to happen.
Replaced? What are you gonna do? Everytime WoW is mentioned put SoR there instead? Lets see how that would work shall we?
Original: "WoW's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like WoW"
Replacement: "SoR's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like SoR"
Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't that that looks quite right... Besides Saga of Ryzom IS mentioned multiple times.
Here's what I think... actually here's what I KNOW... "best" is a matter of opinion and "graphics" have a large number of different aspects and different people will put a differing amount of priority to each aspect or even ignore some completely. Also everyone of these games are of completely different styles from the other ones and while some people might prefer one style others might prefer another style... GET OVER IT!
There is no best... only favourites.
"Its good to question authority... just not mine."
Replaced? What are you gonna do? Everytime WoW is mentioned put SoR there instead? Lets see how that would work shall we?
Original: "WoW's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like WoW"
Replacement: "SoR's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like SoR"
Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't that that looks quite right... Besides Saga of Ryzom IS mentioned multiple times.
Here's what I think... actually here's what I KNOW... "best" is a matter of opinion and "graphics" have a large number of different aspects and different people will put a differing amount of priority to each aspect or even ignore some completely. Also everyone of these games are of completely different styles from the other ones and while some people might prefer one style others might prefer another style... GET OVER IT!
There is no best... only favourites. [/b][/quote]
Yes, replaced. The catagory is "Best Graphics" not "Best Art Style". Then again they should really change it from "MMORPG.com 2005 Reader's Choice Awards Nominees" to "MMORPG.com 2005 Content Editor's Choice Awards Nominees" because the reader had little to do with picking what was nominated and what wasn't.
Originally posted by dunadurium Ok ill pick this quote Phoenixs, not to argue directly with you but, just to give my opinion in general. However i will say that there are plenty of games that use handmade textures or at least a large part handmade. Now i have to say that i think there is a lot of focus on just textures with almost no mention of the actual modeling (although i haven't read the whole thread so im not sure). Now, it is said that the textures are what make or break a model BUT i think, from experience, that without the base, which is the model, textures cant help beyond a certain extent. What im saying is that most people can probably make a decent looking cartoony dwarf face out of modeling clay; just some big blocky cheeks, an oversized brow and a great big beard. guaranteed that with even a little artistic talent it'll turn out lookin pretty niffty. Now try modeling a realistic face out of clay and if you don't have considerable skill and artistic vision, it'll not turn out looking like a human face at all, or at least not a very compelling one. anyway, then you slap on some paint to make them look nice but the ugly model will never look right no matter how realistic a photo you paint on it. Im not saying that the WOW artists don't have skill im just saying that in my opinion the graphics have more "style" then "artistic skill". Im also saying that the more realistic games involve a lot of artistic skill in combination with the tech to make it look right. And yes the reason the really realistic games don't use handpainted textures for everything(although alot is still done by hand) is because it would be like painting a full sized painting for every single texture to get that sort of resolution and quality which is just not feasible. For WOW, the texture quality isn't too high so its like painting a little 14 block of paper for each texture. Ever look at wood textures in WOW, you cant see any grain at all just a few general lines to show that its wood, whereas in more realistic games the resolution is high enough to show grain and much more detail but to paint that by hand would not only be a waste of time but also not as realistic as the actual thing anyway. And yes bump mapping and alot of specularity controls do add to an artists... "bag of tricks" lets say, but without talent or a knowledge of how to create a realistic image and how to use light to convey what you want it to convey, you cant make a good looking game. You still need alot of talent to use the tech to its full capacity. Its just like if a noob oil painter has great equipment (fan brushes, round brushes, flat brushes, angle brushes etc etc and has 100 high quality colors) he's still not gonna be as good as the great painter who only owns a set of 10 colors and has 1 cheap brush. although give the good painter the good equipment and he will really shine. Can that be applied to WOW? no i don't think so. It would be more like an oil painter vs. a manga artist IMHO. and i always looked at manga and comics(the real "artistic" type) as way more stylish then talented. So which one is better? well they are both completely different. Someone who goes and looks at paintings my not even consider manga art. Then someone who likes manga may not give a sh1t about paintings. IMO painting is much harder to become good at but also is alot deeper and meaningful, or at least can be(completely my opinion again). Ok so the above is not meant to bash or belittle WOW graphics, they do have a consistent style and show considerable imagination, they are not, however what i look for in graphics in an MMO. I think a mmorpg is meant to bring people into a fantasy world and emerse them in a "realistic" environment. Realistic in that it is believable and you have the sense of actually being there, inside this living breathing place of monsters and adventure. And it is also my opinion, that to be most effective in this a game needs to have graphics that people can relate to. That means graphical realism, not a cartoon, because we don't live in a cartoon. Im not saying that it needs to be "boring" or "bland" like everyday life, but that even features that aren't in every day life (swords, magic staves, monsters, magical landscapes etc) are more believable and alive if they look like what we would imagine them to look like in real life if they were real. I mean if i was a proud paladin or warrior or a smart mage or wizard, i never would imagine myself fighting a DRAWING or cartoon monster. Thats something they put in children's books. Ok here is a "graphic" example: what i imagine a horrid undead to look like if it was truly "horrid" is a gory lump of crimson flesh, with dried, crusty, blood crumbling from the sides of its cracking dry lips, dark, dirty like blood appearing at the cracks when it smiles at you, and rotting flesh oozing puss out of blue and black infected, diseased gashes. Discolored skin peeling in some places and glistening with blood or other bodily fluid in other places, maybe dark, yellow-green, sticky flem spraying and trickling from its torn nostrils as it lets out hideous sounds as it attacks you. probably wearing rough rags soaked with a mixture or blood, urine, and dirt. Its splintering, rough, wooden shield has crooked, rusty nails driven through at awkward angles and bears the remnants of unlucky victims in the form of decomposing chunks of flesh. Its disfigured face showing no fear, only hate and death so complete that it would make grown men sob... ....... do i need to go on? In short i want to experience a "real" fantasy world, not a childrens storybook world. WoW is a fun game but it is not a "real" fantasy experience to me. As to the seamless terrain, i think that is more "planning" out the world in a seamless fashion and then enough money to support servers with no zones. But if this is a big feature for you, check out Vanguard, it'll have no zones/loading OR unpassable mountains/ landmass, the whole world is not only seamless but follows the design philosophy of, if you can see it you can reach it. Unlike in wow where mountains or walls or waters make unrealistic barriers. Ok i want to say again that im not trying to bash WOW(it may seem like it but this is my opinion just on its graphics): i do play the game (just started playing again)and it is fun enough to pass my time but i would say that the graphics for me are a big negative rather then a positive, just my tastes but again i addressed that above. -Dunadurium
This was just such an awesome post I had to quote it for emphasis. Hats off to you Dunadurium, and I can't wait for VANGUARD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Kelsonmac EQ2 has some sweet graphics. You'll need a pretty darn good video card and computer to really enjoy the graphics at their very best. If you have an average system, you'll likely not be that impressed. WOW is just bland and boring to me. DDO has some interesting graphics. I played it during the stress test and I found the graphics pretty similar to EQ2. Sadly, the game is so awful that most won't care about the graphics. RF Online actually looks better in screenshots than it does in real-time. I especially hate the ground texteres. They are absolutely featureless. The buildings and structures somewhat resemble WOW, while the character models somewhat resemble Lineage 2. One thing that I hate about the character models are the painted-on armor.. Lineage 2 I believe has the best all-around graphics. Ground textures are fantastic. Buildings and structures are great. Character models are really nice (with the exception of the painted-on unblinking faces). But the har and armor move with the player and are not painted-on.
I hope you have played it in the last 5 months.......because if you did you wouldnt say that.
Dont say stuff about a game unless you hav recintly played it.
Originally posted by Obadno I hope you have played it in the last 5 months.......because if you did you wouldnt say that. Dont say stuff about a game unless you hav recintly played it.
HEHE he was talking about Dungeons and Dragons Online, not EQ2.
Comments
5 million people _HAVE tried_ it... They're not all still playing it.
Thats the misleading part of whenever Blizzard announces its numbers, its not how many current subscribers, just how many have tried playing it. Not that that has anything to do with this topic, I just wanted to chime in about Blizzards 5 million.
Sorry bud but you're wrong. WoW has 5 million CUSTOMERS. They define a customer as...
World of Warcraft's Customer Definition
World of Warcraft customers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or purchased a prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the installation box bundled with one free month access. Internet Game Room players that have accessed the game over the last seven days are also counted as customers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired pre-paid cards. Customers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.
http://www.blizzard.com/press/051219.shtml
George was right only 5 million have tried it, becuase in asia its a pay hourly game, not a monthy subscription, so even if they played for 5 mins blizzard counts them as a subscriber.
The new EQ2, better than ever befor !
don't click this link...
"George was right only 5 million have tried it, becuase in asia its a pay hourly game, not a monthy subscription, so even if they played for 5 mins blizzard counts them as a subscriber."
Just as all other mmo's in Asia
Yes i have played many many many games past few years. And ur right it's not the best graphics but it fits for the game and makes GW a GW. I couldn't imagine GW with WOW graphics =P
Ya well the style WoW used doesn't work for very many games
Besides the topic is BEST graphics... not most suitable graphics 
I rest my case
"Its good to question authority... just not mine."
EQ2 has some sweet graphics. You'll need a pretty darn good video card and computer to really enjoy the graphics at their very best. If you have an average system, you'll likely not be that impressed.
WOW is just bland and boring to me.
DDO has some interesting graphics. I played it during the stress test and I found the graphics pretty similar to EQ2. Sadly, the game is so awful that most won't care about the graphics.
RF Online actually looks better in screenshots than it does in real-time. I especially hate the ground texteres. They are absolutely featureless. The buildings and structures somewhat resemble WOW, while the character models somewhat resemble Lineage 2. One thing that I hate about the character models are the painted-on armor..
Lineage 2 I believe has the best all-around graphics. Ground textures are fantastic. Buildings and structures are great. Character models are really nice (with the exception of the painted-on unblinking faces). But the har and armor move with the player and are not painted-on.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
See this really drives me nuts. 10 pages of responces and the majority of people agree that WoW does not belong in the catagory for best graphics. It should of been replaced with Saga of Ryzom. Of course Ryzom doesn't have the demanding players that Eve does so no one will push for that to happen.
Replaced? What are you gonna do? Everytime WoW is mentioned put SoR there instead? Lets see how that would work shall we?
Original: "WoW's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like WoW"
Replacement: "SoR's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like SoR"
Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't that that looks quite right... Besides Saga of Ryzom IS mentioned multiple times.
Here's what I think... actually here's what I KNOW... "best" is a matter of opinion and "graphics" have a large number of different aspects and different people will put a differing amount of priority to each aspect or even ignore some completely. Also everyone of these games are of completely different styles from the other ones and while some people might prefer one style others might prefer another style... GET OVER IT!
There is no best... only favourites.
"Its good to question authority... just not mine."
[quote]Originally posted by ReLyT
Replaced? What are you gonna do? Everytime WoW is mentioned put SoR there instead? Lets see how that would work shall we?
Original: "WoW's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like WoW"
Replacement: "SoR's graphics are so awesome! I think all games should have cartoony graphics like SoR"
Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't that that looks quite right... Besides Saga of Ryzom IS mentioned multiple times.
Here's what I think... actually here's what I KNOW... "best" is a matter of opinion and "graphics" have a large number of different aspects and different people will put a differing amount of priority to each aspect or even ignore some completely. Also everyone of these games are of completely different styles from the other ones and while some people might prefer one style others might prefer another style... GET OVER IT!
There is no best... only favourites.
[/b][/quote]
Yes, replaced. The catagory is "Best Graphics" not "Best Art Style". Then again they should really change it from "MMORPG.com 2005 Reader's Choice Awards Nominees" to "MMORPG.com 2005 Content Editor's Choice Awards Nominees" because the reader had little to do with picking what was nominated and what wasn't.
Why thank you,
And yes, Vanguard all the way
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
************************
im gunna have to go with paper mario
I hope you have played it in the last 5 months.......because if you did you wouldnt say that.
Dont say stuff about a game unless you hav recintly played it.
The new EQ2, better than ever befor !
don't click this link...
The Saga of Ryzom, IMHO
True 3D graphics (not "wallpaper" faces like in Lineage 2), marvelous animals and plants. Living Sky. Etc.
Probably Vanguard SoG for "best" graphics overall, but for style and atmosphere and that certain "look" I am going to have to say Age of Conan.
Definitely Age of Conan for a artistically stylized look that, I think, realizes the atmosphere of that gameworld perfectly.
~ Ancient Membership ~