Originally posted by Clackamas Originally posted by jonaku For all you SWG subscribers who continue to subscribe and complain and hope for a better tomorrow, you ARE the very worse thing to happen to SWG. You are singlehandledly responsible for the continuing slow death of this game. Why? Because your subscriptions continue to fund the incompetence at SOE. You're like the mother who continue to let her alcoholic heroine-addicted son live in her basement for 10 years and then wonders why he doesn't spontaneously get a life and get a job. It's called ENABLEMENT people. When I see those posts on swg.com complaining about NGE bugs or lack of features, it truly sickens me. These people are complete and utter morons. If you love the game, you should quit it and stay quitted until the game goes bankrupt and SOE/LA have NO FINANCIAL CHOICE but to give the license to another company or do a mea culpa roll-back. Until then, I say the greatest enemy, the greatest parasitic plague on the once great pre-CU SWG are the current subscribers.
Lets see, who is a moron. You mean to say, you think all the vets that are still subbing are paying month to month? Did you miss the issue where a lot of vets PRE-PAID? Did you miss the point that if SOE wasn't going to refund, that were going to have fun being critical of the game to at least get some satisfaction out of their spent money?
And the only twisted truth in your rant are the current fanbois subscribers who don't demand a whole lot. They are the enemy of people everywhere.
It truely sickens me to see Star Wars and Iconic supports being duped by SOE and LA. The NGE does suck. Noone should play it, it should be shutdown. Smedley should be fired. and Julio, well, he should join Smedley.
If you read later in the thread, I absolve all those unfortunate souls stuck in a 3, 6, or 12 month pre-paid subscription and cannot cancel or refund. At the end of the pre-paid period, such folk must be sure to NOT renew. If you're currently pre-paid and stuck in SWG, I forgive you and hold ye blameless of addiction enablement. Peace bra.
Originally posted by jonaku Originally posted by Clackamas Originally posted by jonaku For all you SWG subscribers who continue to subscribe and complain and hope for a better tomorrow, you ARE the very worse thing to happen to SWG. You are singlehandledly responsible for the continuing slow death of this game. Why? Because your subscriptions continue to fund the incompetence at SOE. You're like the mother who continue to let her alcoholic heroine-addicted son live in her basement for 10 years and then wonders why he doesn't spontaneously get a life and get a job. It's called ENABLEMENT people. When I see those posts on swg.com complaining about NGE bugs or lack of features, it truly sickens me. These people are complete and utter morons. If you love the game, you should quit it and stay quitted until the game goes bankrupt and SOE/LA have NO FINANCIAL CHOICE but to give the license to another company or do a mea culpa roll-back. Until then, I say the greatest enemy, the greatest parasitic plague on the once great pre-CU SWG are the current subscribers.
Lets see, who is a moron. You mean to say, you think all the vets that are still subbing are paying month to month? Did you miss the issue where a lot of vets PRE-PAID? Did you miss the point that if SOE wasn't going to refund, that were going to have fun being critical of the game to at least get some satisfaction out of their spent money?
And the only twisted truth in your rant are the current fanbois subscribers who don't demand a whole lot. They are the enemy of people everywhere.
It truely sickens me to see Star Wars and Iconic supports being duped by SOE and LA. The NGE does suck. Noone should play it, it should be shutdown. Smedley should be fired. and Julio, well, he should join Smedley.
If you read later in the thread, I absolve all those unfortunate souls stuck in a 3, 6, or 12 month pre-paid subscription and cannot cancel or refund. At the end of the pre-paid period, such folk must be sure to NOT renew. If you're currently pre-paid and stuck in SWG, I forgive you and hold ye blameless of addiction enablement. Peace bra.
Besides the fact that I don't know and don't care who you think you are to absolve anyone. It is quite clear that you lack the maturity and broad perspective to appreciate the points of view against the NGE.
The NGE is a bad piece of doo-doo. And if you like playing doo-doo so be it. But I will continue to be critical of lame people who set the bar lower than I want it.
Originally posted by Clackamas Originally posted by jonaku Originally posted by Clackamas Originally posted by jonaku For all you SWG subscribers who continue to subscribe and complain and hope for a better tomorrow, you ARE the very worse thing to happen to SWG. You are singlehandledly responsible for the continuing slow death of this game. Why? Because your subscriptions continue to fund the incompetence at SOE. You're like the mother who continue to let her alcoholic heroine-addicted son live in her basement for 10 years and then wonders why he doesn't spontaneously get a life and get a job. It's called ENABLEMENT people. When I see those posts on swg.com complaining about NGE bugs or lack of features, it truly sickens me. These people are complete and utter morons. If you love the game, you should quit it and stay quitted until the game goes bankrupt and SOE/LA have NO FINANCIAL CHOICE but to give the license to another company or do a mea culpa roll-back. Until then, I say the greatest enemy, the greatest parasitic plague on the once great pre-CU SWG are the current subscribers.
Lets see, who is a moron. You mean to say, you think all the vets that are still subbing are paying month to month? Did you miss the issue where a lot of vets PRE-PAID? Did you miss the point that if SOE wasn't going to refund, that were going to have fun being critical of the game to at least get some satisfaction out of their spent money?
And the only twisted truth in your rant are the current fanbois subscribers who don't demand a whole lot. They are the enemy of people everywhere.
It truely sickens me to see Star Wars and Iconic supports being duped by SOE and LA. The NGE does suck. Noone should play it, it should be shutdown. Smedley should be fired. and Julio, well, he should join Smedley.
If you read later in the thread, I absolve all those unfortunate souls stuck in a 3, 6, or 12 month pre-paid subscription and cannot cancel or refund. At the end of the pre-paid period, such folk must be sure to NOT renew. If you're currently pre-paid and stuck in SWG, I forgive you and hold ye blameless of addiction enablement. Peace bra.
Besides the fact that I don't know and don't care who you think you are to absolve anyone. It is quite clear that you lack the maturity and broad perspective to appreciate the points of view against the NGE.
The NGE is a bad piece of doo-doo. And if you like playing doo-doo so be it. But I will continue to be critical of lame people who set the bar lower than I want it.
If you're trolling, then /golfclap.
If you're not, then you misunderstand. I am agreeing with you that the NGE is a bad piece of doo-doo. Not only do I appreciate the points of view against the NGE, I advocate them.
If you are not subscribed go away, completely leave any and all forums dealing with swg. You are a virus to new players. Thousands of "vets" sit and complain all day. Say some new guy wants to play, he starts and is having fun but then all of you "vet" yell aahh no end game, crappy this crappy that. You are influencing his fun factor. People can enjoy any game if they have friends online. I have a very active guild with ventrillo therfore i dont care what the game is doing i deal with it and enjoy talking to my guildies and helping people that is what vets are for helping. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO SAY THEN DO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. Thats a good philosophy and i suggest some people follow it. IF you can make it into constructive critisim then go for it that shows you have a brain. But people like different things and you yelling it sucks it sucks does not help them want to give it a try. IF YOU LOVE THE GAME PLAY IT!! Where do you get the mindset that if you quit it gets a message across if that worked this game would be dead now. Since its still up and going with a new force of dev involvement now going along with the new enhancements this game is far from dead and 10-20 people saying WAHH I QUIT BOOYA SOE NOW WHT?? They probaly say HAHAHAHAHA ok we really felt that...NOT. The game is being sustained by other games which is an even bigger chacne that quiting wont do a thing. The GAME IS STILL GOING despite thousands of accounts cancelled and you'rs isnt going to make a dent in the steel of a supercompany. Sorry. Ive played all 3 cu's and this one though having flaws is not exploitable by a single combination prof. NO prof now is elite and thats how it should be. Pre-cu was que que ok grab a coke and in pvp it was KILL THE MIND BAR!! gay, then it was knockdown wars GAY! if you can be knocked down and obliterated at the begging battle thats is dumb. THIS system has no weak point that someone can use. AND WE R GETTING PHYSICS! This is the only thing missing to make this system fun.
Originally posted by Allerum If you are not subscribed go away, completely leave any and all forums dealing with swg. You are a virus to new players. Thousands of "vets" sit and complain all day. Say some new guy wants to play, he starts and is having fun but then all of you "vet" yell aahh no end game, crappy this crappy that. You are influencing his fun factor. People can enjoy any game if they have friends online. I have a very active guild with ventrillo therfore i dont care what the game is doing i deal with it and enjoy talking to my guildies and helping people that is what vets are for helping. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO SAY THEN DO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. Thats a good philosophy and i suggest some people follow it. IF you can make it into constructive critisim then go for it that shows you have a brain. But people like different things and you yelling it sucks it sucks does not help them want to give it a try. IF YOU LOVE THE GAME PLAY IT!! Where do you get the mindset that if you quit it gets a message across if that worked this game would be dead now. Since its still up and going with a new force of dev involvement now going along with the new enhancements this game is far from dead and 10-20 people saying WAHH I QUIT BOOYA SOE NOW WHT?? They probaly say HAHAHAHAHA ok we really felt that...NOT. The game is being sustained by other games which is an even bigger chacne that quiting wont do a thing. The GAME IS STILL GOING despite thousands of accounts cancelled and you'rs isnt going to make a dent in the steel of a supercompany. Sorry. Ive played all 3 cu's and this one though having flaws is not exploitable by a single combination prof. NO prof now is elite and thats how it should be. Pre-cu was que que ok grab a coke and in pvp it was KILL THE MIND BAR!! gay, then it was knockdown wars GAY! if you can be knocked down and obliterated at the begging battle thats is dumb. THIS system has no weak point that someone can use. AND WE R GETTING PHYSICS! This is the only thing missing to make this system fun.
*grabs lawn chair* *gets cooler and takes out a beer* This should be good, someone bring the popcorn.
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I'm an ex-SWG player as well. I pretty much stopped playing when they nixxed Creature Handlers. Quit for good when the NGE was rolled out. Just not into the "consoleness" of the current game.
No ill feeling towards the game. It was fun while it lasted. I do think the devs shafted the players with the CU and NGE makeover. They strung players along for a very long time when they knew full-well what was going on. How many of you remember: "Just wait until after the CU, you'll see; it will be great!" Yeah it was great all right. My main profession got axed!
Originally posted by JediGeek Originally posted by Allerum If you are not subscribed go away, completely leave any and all forums dealing with swg. You are a virus to new players. Thousands of "vets" sit and complain all day. Say some new guy wants to play, he starts and is having fun but then all of you "vet" yell aahh no end game, crappy this crappy that. You are influencing his fun factor. People can enjoy any game if they have friends online. I have a very active guild with ventrillo therfore i dont care what the game is doing i deal with it and enjoy talking to my guildies and helping people that is what vets are for helping. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO SAY THEN DO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. Thats a good philosophy and i suggest some people follow it. IF you can make it into constructive critisim then go for it that shows you have a brain. But people like different things and you yelling it sucks it sucks does not help them want to give it a try. IF YOU LOVE THE GAME PLAY IT!! Where do you get the mindset that if you quit it gets a message across if that worked this game would be dead now. Since its still up and going with a new force of dev involvement now going along with the new enhancements this game is far from dead and 10-20 people saying WAHH I QUIT BOOYA SOE NOW WHT?? They probaly say HAHAHAHAHA ok we really felt that...NOT. The game is being sustained by other games which is an even bigger chacne that quiting wont do a thing. The GAME IS STILL GOING despite thousands of accounts cancelled and you'rs isnt going to make a dent in the steel of a supercompany. Sorry. Ive played all 3 cu's and this one though having flaws is not exploitable by a single combination prof. NO prof now is elite and thats how it should be. Pre-cu was que que ok grab a coke and in pvp it was KILL THE MIND BAR!! gay, then it was knockdown wars GAY! if you can be knocked down and obliterated at the begging battle thats is dumb. THIS system has no weak point that someone can use. AND WE R GETTING PHYSICS! This is the only thing missing to make this system fun.
*grabs lawn chair* *gets cooler and takes out a beer* This should be good, someone bring the popcorn.
Hehe, well we know better than to be mean to a kid with a banjo in his hands...
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I am an ex Master CH/Swrds I am not a kid, but in any game that i didn't like i left i did not sit and complain and whine to the devs about if u, if u, if. If the games has changed to much for you to enjoy please find another game that you want hope for and discuss your hopes for that game, and stop coming here to discuss your regrets and whining.
Originally posted by Allerum If you are not subscribed go away, completely leave any and all forums dealing with swg. You are a virus to new players. Thousands of "vets" sit and complain all day. Say some new guy wants to play, he starts and is having fun but then all of you "vet" yell aahh no end game, crappy this crappy that. You are influencing his fun factor. People can enjoy any game if they have friends online. I have a very active guild with ventrillo therfore i dont care what the game is doing i deal with it and enjoy talking to my guildies and helping people that is what vets are for helping. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO SAY THEN DO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. Thats a good philosophy and i suggest some people follow it. IF you can make it into constructive critisim then go for it that shows you have a brain. But people like different things and you yelling it sucks it sucks does not help them want to give it a try. IF YOU LOVE THE GAME PLAY IT!! Where do you get the mindset that if you quit it gets a message across if that worked this game would be dead now. Since its still up and going with a new force of dev involvement now going along with the new enhancements this game is far from dead and 10-20 people saying WAHH I QUIT BOOYA SOE NOW WHT?? They probaly say HAHAHAHAHA ok we really felt that...NOT. The game is being sustained by other games which is an even bigger chacne that quiting wont do a thing. The GAME IS STILL GOING despite thousands of accounts cancelled and you'rs isnt going to make a dent in the steel of a supercompany. Sorry. Ive played all 3 cu's and this one though having flaws is not exploitable by a single combination prof. NO prof now is elite and thats how it should be. Pre-cu was que que ok grab a coke and in pvp it was KILL THE MIND BAR!! gay, then it was knockdown wars GAY! if you can be knocked down and obliterated at the begging battle thats is dumb. THIS system has no weak point that someone can use. AND WE R GETTING PHYSICS! This is the only thing missing to make this system fun.
This is the SWG discussion forum. Nowhere does it say that it's the gameplay discussion or a private forum for players only. Most of us are not here for giving constructive criticism because we know that the devs don't stop by here (not that they'll listen anyway). It just so happens that the majority here likes to reminesce about what the game used to be, discuss where it is now and where it looks like it will be. It sucks being the minority doesn't it? Too bad... If you don't like what is said here, DON'T READ THE POSTS!
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
What i mean is before a tkm/pike/swrd/fen combo was uber in pvp. And the fastest way to kill someone was the mind bar. Therefore pvpers would want 2 make the mind bar go down faster. If the prof they are didn't have mind attacks that would forece them to choose one that did. Cu was knockdown wars, if you got knockedown you had to knockdown recover which took a good chunk of time. So while you were knocked down you got beat down. SO when you got up you were dead or close enough to not even try. The NGE no class has a super advantage, or a move that caused too much damage or render the other person completly helpless to beat down. THe classes are pretty well balanced a good player can win a pvp battle in any prof.
What has the soe president have anything to do with my post?
Bring up a controversial topic in Star Wars Galaxies, and you are bound to get a 10+ page thread.
I must say reading some of the past debates, I have to give kudos to Obraik for defending his side against overwhelming opposition. Sure, Im with the majority here Obraik, but cheers nonetheless. Very good debating, keep it ip
But as I stated I am with the majority on this one. SWG is a broken game, and $OE is picking up the pieces, still either oblivious to the player community, or they really just dont care. Some small steps have been made, but to put it bluntly Smedly still has his hand up his ass. I cant even say SWG was a good game before pre CU. I would have to say even before the update it was a grinding nightmare only for the diehard Star Wars fan only. I mean, hours and hours of grinding, running back and forth mission from mission? Bugged grouping? what the hell was this? SOE released a half working game and that was what we got. The only saving grace what the fact that they did not use classes, which was a big plus. People could do whatever they want. Then it all went really downhill once Jedi were introduced - points to me on that, I remember posting stuff about the doom of SWG on the boards about introducing Jedi classes - and poof look where we are today.
I must say it almost does look like SOE is now just having their dedicated playerbase to beta test the SWG that is coming out for the console. Again, tricked and swindeled, as usual for SOE.
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The OP is right on the money ($$$). This is all about profits! If you are serious about getting this game back to it's former glory, you will quit now! It is the only way that SOE and more importantly LA will pay attention. MONEY IS ALL THEY UNDERSTAND...they are in business! Sony is attempting to stall you active players until they can roll out the PS3 version of SWG. Don't let them do it!
I canceled all of my accounts in DEC/ NOV. I did this not because I hated SWG, but because I LOVED the game. I told everyone in my guild to do the same and almost all did. We are doing our part by quiting and holding out (witholding our $$$). WE ARE WAITING FOR LUCAS ARTS TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND WE WILL COME BACK...ALL OF US!!! until then we will watch and wait to see what will happen.
I believe it is working! We are seeing SOE and LA take notice and they are starting to ask serious questions about how they do business. As more and more people leave, I beleive, only then will we have a legitimate shot at getting OUR game back! However YOU MUST DO YOUR PART. You as the customer must do the only thing you can do...QUIT...Until LA and SOE gives in. They will give in...I PROMISE!
If 10,000 active customers closed their accounts this month, and posted on the SOE forums why they were leaving...SOE and LA would have to make a change.
IF YOU EVER LOVED SWG...QUIT NOW!!!...THERE IS STILL TIME TO SAVE HER!!! WE CAN DO IT!!!
Credit belongs to the people who quit right after the NGE hits the game. That were the dedicated players that are responsible for the change of course happening right now over at SOE.
SOE has tons of changes in the pipeline to bring their old community back. Here are some of that:
1)Expertise system in analogy to the old skill point system
2) slow down combat speed, bring back old animations
3) did not reinstate maintenance cost cause they know when the stuff of unsubscribed players vanishes they will never come back
4) Discussion of jedi not longer being a starter class
5) Stil 10 day free trial to give the vets the possibility to recheck the game whenever they like
6) Bringing back bounty hunting system
7) no new expansion cause they know this small subscriber base as customers will never ever justify expansion development costs.
and some others.
They desperatly need more players and right atm they try everything to bring the old vets back into the game. Maybe when more players quit they move to their archive, get a pre-NGE or Pre-CU database backup and set up some classic servers.
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The fact mate is, it seems most people prefers the old system, with all it's flaws (those should be fixed later with SMALL fixes, no combat revamps), so we have the right to whine and to tell people to stop paying SoE (maybe that way they listen, they anyway changed the original system trying to get more people/money).
Anyway... How many do pvp after all? I'm not sure as I hate pvp and don't know how many enjoy it... But I don't think it's the mayority of the playerbase...
I still like my SWG, I have played since launch and refuse to give up on it. I actually like the sped-up combat, having to aim at my target and the new commando heavy weapons of the nge. I don't like the skill system being replaced with such a linear class based system but regardless I am still having fun, mostly because of pvp.
I do think the NGE was a mistake and a cop out by SOE to make their job easier on themselves. However, from what I have seen in the past few months they have done more work to try to fix the ball dropping they did than since the games incarnation.
Bringing SWG to the PS3 is pretty much null and void, I doubt it happens because it's not really all that profitable and everyone who plays video games know the bad reputation that SWG has ALWAYS had.
As far as the Bioware thing, I doubt it's true but if it were, I'd buy and play SWG2.
The problem with all these people begging for a pre-cu time is that they actually think it will happen if "everyone quits" or if "everyone complains enough". Well it won't period. Quite frankly I think it'd make SOE/LA look even weaker if they did. Furthermore they need to stick to a system and make it work not change it yet again. I think the initial change from the pre-cu to the cu to the nge was a mistake but I think going back is just as much of a mistake as the initial change.
"An enemy of the pre-cu" label me that if you want, I loved my pre-cu time, I loved being a pre-dotwhore pikeman. Yea pre-cu had it's flaws, so did the cu, so does the nge. You will get people who prefer all 3 systems, it's as simple as that. I preferred the skill system of the pre-cu, and the combat system of the nge.
Telling everyone to leave because you don't like the game is just selfish and childish.
A note to those who don't know, SOE is really getting this communication thing down, they have been travelling to do Q&A sessions, something that pre-cu didn't exactly get. They KNOW they have a broken system and they are trying to do something about it.
One thing alot of people don't realize as well is that hardly any of the pre-cu developers and programmers are still employed at SOE. Yes it is easier for them to work with the NGE and while it may not be an excuse, it's understandable if you've coded before. Reading your own code vs reading someone else's program can be a very big difference.
The biggest thing I would want from SWG Pre-CU, will never happen again. I want the commmunity back. A rollback would NOT do this. You would have half the new people leave, you would have some of the vets leave who like the nge, you would have some of the vets who preferred the pre-cu/cu times leave because of SOE's bouncing around (I know about 12 people in my guild alone who fall into this) and you'd gain the vets who left because of the nge, but not all of them, alot of them lost faith in SOE altogether and refuse to buy or play any of their products from now on.
I think those who have left the game because they were unhappy should quit scolding those who are playing the game and whether or not we complain about it, we probably still get some entertainment out of it. I really don't understand bashing someone because they still play a game that you used to and don't like anymore. It's like your jealous that they can still have fun in the system and are "keeping you from getting your way" even though that'll never happen.
Originally posted by Psykeman420 I still like my SWG, I have played since launch and refuse to give up on it. I actually like the sped-up combat, having to aim at my target and the new commando heavy weapons of the nge. I don't like the skill system being replaced with such a linear class based system but regardless I am still having fun, mostly because of pvp. I'm happy that you like it, and I don't want you to loose it. We just need another server with the old system, so you all can enjoy this, and we all can enjoy a pre-cu server, and SoE gets more money. All happy, perfect solution. I do think the NGE was a mistake and a cop out by SOE to make their job easier on themselves. However, from what I have seen in the past few months they have done more work to try to fix the ball dropping they did than since the games incarnation. But the people who left (most people) doesn't like it's base, however much it evolves, we won't like it... Bringing SWG to the PS3 is pretty much null and void, I doubt it happens because it's not really all that profitable and everyone who plays video games know the bad reputation that SWG has ALWAYS had. I too guess they won't do it. More because they have technical difficulties than because they wouldn't like to do it. The NGE was a failed try to get more players, they just had no clue about why their game wasn't being bought by their fans.But maybe they can solve their problems one day and convert it for the console market... Time will tell.... The problem with all these people begging for a pre-cu time is that they actually think it will happen if "everyone quits" or if "everyone complains enough". Well it won't period. Quite frankly I think it'd make SOE/LA look even weaker if they did. Furthermore they need to stick to a system and make it work not change it yet again. I think the initial change from the pre-cu to the cu to the nge was a mistake but I think going back is just as much of a mistake as the initial change. We won't loose anything by trying... And they have changed their mind already in the past... Telling everyone to leave because you don't like the game is just selfish and childish. We're trying to make SoE reconsider what they are doing. It's not a matter of bothering people. It's a way to force them do what most people wants A note to those who don't know, SOE is really getting this communication thing down, they have been travelling to do Q&A sessions, something that pre-cu didn't exactly get. They KNOW they have a broken system and they are trying to do something about it. They know what to do: Fresh empty pre-cu server One thing alot of people don't realize as well is that hardly any of the pre-cu developers and programmers are still employed at SOE. Yes it is easier for them to work with the NGE and while it may not be an excuse, it's understandable if you've coded before. Reading your own code vs reading someone else's program can be a very big difference. Agree completelly But they should just do it, even if it's a lot more of work. We pay them for doing it (well, we did until they failed us) The biggest thing I would want from SWG Pre-CU, will never happen again. I want the commmunity back. A rollback would NOT do this. You would have half the new people leave, you would have some of the vets leave who like the nge, you would have some of the vets who preferred the pre-cu/cu times leave because of SOE's bouncing around (I know about 12 people in my guild alone who fall into this) and you'd gain the vets who left because of the nge, but not all of them, alot of them lost faith in SOE altogether and refuse to buy or play any of their products from now on. Again, I completelly agree. But if they earn enough with the people they have now in game, they can put a new server with the old code and pay it (and the people taking care of it) with the cash they make with the people that coems back (and I'm sure it will be more than the people in game currently)
I think those who have left the game because they were unhappy should quit scolding those who are playing the game and whether or not we complain about it, we probably still get some entertainment out of it. I really don't understand bashing someone because they still play a game that you used to and don't like anymore. It's like your jealous that they can still have fun in the system and are "keeping you from getting your way" even though that'll never happen. Nooo no no, we just are too stubborn to move on, and still have faith in SoE giving people what they want if we bother them enough We have nothing against the people who like NGE, unless they start lying and mocking at the huge playerbase who left the game
I've always wondered what would have happened if SWG had been launched in its current state as the nge then was changed into the cu then again changed into the original state, pre cu. Would everyone have hated the game then it slowly grew and became great with the 3 change? Would everyone still be pissed and quit?
The main problem was not so much the nge or cu. It was the fact it was lied about to the consumer untill they were ready to go live with it. The consumer was never really consulted. If they had then they would have noticed that all anyone ever wanted was for them to add smuggling for the smugglers and fix a few other professions. Have old towns from canceled accounts be packed up and stored in the players inventory. A few other things too but thats the baisics. Oh and the nge really just pissed me off since I had been working for about 6 months on obtaining jedi and was closing in on making it when the nge went live. I was all for the jedi being very difficult to obtain, and for them being scarcely seen in public wielding a flashlight.
Sorry its long winded but on topic I did quit, and again not so much because of the nge itself as for the constant misrepresentation of Sony. I wont sink my $$$ into a company that i just don't trust to deliver. I can understand the willingness to play thru tho to maintain friendships developed in the game, but here is a solution. swap emails, aim, msg, icq, hell phone #'s too if you want. Find yourself a new game and go play it. SWG is laid to rest and you take pride in not supporting a crooked company. Problem solved.
For so long they were the only kid on the block. With the huge success of EQ1, they became the standard for mmorpg's. In this success they got more corporate mentality. This mentality has caused them to forget the desires of the gamers community and they only think of "how can we make more?".
You can see this in all of their games now. Just simply turn on any SOE game and sit back and watch the ads roll. Because of their popular games, advertisments have become the new standard for SOE.
The SOE of today makes games that "they" want you to play, instead of the games that the "players" want to play.
This mentality is why I will never purchase any SOE game again. Ever....
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And the only twisted truth in your rant are the current fanbois subscribers who don't demand a whole lot.
They are the enemy of people everywhere.
It truely sickens me to see Star Wars and Iconic supports being duped by SOE and LA. The NGE does suck. Noone should play it, it should be shutdown. Smedley should be fired. and Julio, well, he should join Smedley.
If you read later in the thread, I absolve all those unfortunate souls stuck in a 3, 6, or 12 month pre-paid subscription and cannot cancel or refund. At the end of the pre-paid period, such folk must be sure to NOT renew. If you're currently pre-paid and stuck in SWG, I forgive you and hold ye blameless of addiction enablement. Peace bra.
And the only twisted truth in your rant are the current fanbois subscribers who don't demand a whole lot.
They are the enemy of people everywhere.
It truely sickens me to see Star Wars and Iconic supports being duped by SOE and LA. The NGE does suck. Noone should play it, it should be shutdown. Smedley should be fired. and Julio, well, he should join Smedley.
If you read later in the thread, I absolve all those unfortunate souls stuck in a 3, 6, or 12 month pre-paid subscription and cannot cancel or refund. At the end of the pre-paid period, such folk must be sure to NOT renew. If you're currently pre-paid and stuck in SWG, I forgive you and hold ye blameless of addiction enablement. Peace bra.
Besides the fact that I don't know and don't care who you think you are to absolve anyone. It is quite clear that you lack the maturity and broad perspective to appreciate the points of view against the NGE.
The NGE is a bad piece of doo-doo. And if you like playing doo-doo so be it. But I will continue to be critical of lame people who set the bar lower than I want it.
You both seem to be on the same side, but one is arguing and flaming the other.
Reading comprehension FTW!
SWG Tempest: Cardo Dycen RIP
Eve: Cardoh Dycen
I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
And the only twisted truth in your rant are the current fanbois subscribers who don't demand a whole lot.
They are the enemy of people everywhere.
It truely sickens me to see Star Wars and Iconic supports being duped by SOE and LA. The NGE does suck. Noone should play it, it should be shutdown. Smedley should be fired. and Julio, well, he should join Smedley.
If you read later in the thread, I absolve all those unfortunate souls stuck in a 3, 6, or 12 month pre-paid subscription and cannot cancel or refund. At the end of the pre-paid period, such folk must be sure to NOT renew. If you're currently pre-paid and stuck in SWG, I forgive you and hold ye blameless of addiction enablement. Peace bra.
Besides the fact that I don't know and don't care who you think you are to absolve anyone. It is quite clear that you lack the maturity and broad perspective to appreciate the points of view against the NGE.
The NGE is a bad piece of doo-doo. And if you like playing doo-doo so be it. But I will continue to be critical of lame people who set the bar lower than I want it.
If you're trolling, then /golfclap.
If you're not, then you misunderstand. I am agreeing with you that the NGE is a bad piece of doo-doo. Not only do I appreciate the points of view against the NGE, I advocate them.
Ive played all 3 cu's and this one though having flaws is not exploitable by a single combination prof. NO prof now is elite and thats how it should be. Pre-cu was que que ok grab a coke and in pvp it was KILL THE MIND BAR!! gay, then it was knockdown wars GAY! if you can be knocked down and obliterated at the begging battle thats is dumb. THIS system has no weak point that someone can use. AND WE R GETTING PHYSICS! This is the only thing missing to make this system fun.
*gets cooler and takes out a beer*
This should be good, someone bring the popcorn.
SWG Tempest: Cardo Dycen RIP
Eve: Cardoh Dycen
I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
No ill feeling towards the game. It was fun while it lasted. I do think the devs shafted the players with the CU and NGE makeover. They strung players along for a very long time when they knew full-well what was going on. How many of you remember: "Just wait until after the CU, you'll see; it will be great!" Yeah it was great all right. My main profession got axed!
*gets cooler and takes out a beer*
This should be good, someone bring the popcorn.
Hehe, well we know better than to be mean to a kid with a banjo in his hands...
"There are two kinds of spurs, my friend. Those that come in by the door; those that come in by the window"
"There are two kinds of spurs, my friend. Those that come in by the door; those that come in by the window"
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Seriously, when the freakin president of soe says that the nge hasnt reached the baseline of fun yet, how can you say it has no weak points?
For the Horde!
What has the soe president have anything to do with my post?
SWG Tempest: Cardo Dycen RIP
Eve: Cardoh Dycen
I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
Bring up a controversial topic in Star Wars Galaxies, and you are bound to get a 10+ page thread.
I must say reading some of the past debates, I have to give kudos to Obraik for defending his side against overwhelming opposition. Sure, Im with the majority here Obraik, but cheers nonetheless. Very good debating, keep it ip
But as I stated I am with the majority on this one. SWG is a broken game, and $OE is picking up the pieces, still either oblivious to the player community, or they really just dont care. Some small steps have been made, but to put it bluntly Smedly still has his hand up his ass. I cant even say SWG was a good game before pre CU. I would have to say even before the update it was a grinding nightmare only for the diehard Star Wars fan only. I mean, hours and hours of grinding, running back and forth mission from mission? Bugged grouping? what the hell was this? SOE released a half working game and that was what we got. The only saving grace what the fact that they did not use classes, which was a big plus. People could do whatever they want. Then it all went really downhill once Jedi were introduced - points to me on that, I remember posting stuff about the doom of SWG on the boards about introducing Jedi classes - and poof look where we are today.
I must say it almost does look like SOE is now just having their dedicated playerbase to beta test the SWG that is coming out for the console. Again, tricked and swindeled, as usual for SOE.
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Darth Juilo Torres can not be trusted!
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The OP is right on the money ($$$). This is all about profits! If you are serious about getting this game back to it's former glory, you will quit now! It is the only way that SOE and more importantly LA will pay attention. MONEY IS ALL THEY UNDERSTAND...they are in business! Sony is attempting to stall you active players until they can roll out the PS3 version of SWG. Don't let them do it!
I canceled all of my accounts in DEC/ NOV. I did this not because I hated SWG, but because I LOVED the game. I told everyone in my guild to do the same and almost all did. We are doing our part by quiting and holding out (witholding our $$$). WE ARE WAITING FOR LUCAS ARTS TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND WE WILL COME BACK...ALL OF US!!! until then we will watch and wait to see what will happen.
I believe it is working! We are seeing SOE and LA take notice and they are starting to ask serious questions about how they do business. As more and more people leave, I beleive, only then will we have a legitimate shot at getting OUR game back! However YOU MUST DO YOUR PART. You as the customer must do the only thing you can do...QUIT...Until LA and SOE gives in. They will give in...I PROMISE!
If 10,000 active customers closed their accounts this month, and posted on the SOE forums why they were leaving...SOE and LA would have to make a change.
IF YOU EVER LOVED SWG...QUIT NOW!!!...THERE IS STILL TIME TO SAVE HER!!! WE CAN DO IT!!!
Most of the work is already done.
Credit belongs to the people who quit right after the NGE hits the game. That were the dedicated players that are responsible for the change of course happening right now over at SOE.
SOE has tons of changes in the pipeline to bring their old community back. Here are some of that:
1)Expertise system in analogy to the old skill point system
2) slow down combat speed, bring back old animations
3) did not reinstate maintenance cost cause they know when the stuff of unsubscribed players vanishes they will never come back
4) Discussion of jedi not longer being a starter class
5) Stil 10 day free trial to give the vets the possibility to recheck the game whenever they like
6) Bringing back bounty hunting system
7) no new expansion cause they know this small subscriber base as customers will never ever justify expansion development costs.
and some others.
They desperatly need more players and right atm they try everything to bring the old vets back into the game. Maybe when more players quit they move to their archive, get a pre-NGE or Pre-CU database backup and set up some classic servers.
SWG - If you're not part of the solution, you're a part of the problem
The fact mate is, it seems most people prefers the old system, with all it's flaws (those should be fixed later with SMALL fixes, no combat revamps), so we have the right to whine and to tell people to stop paying SoE (maybe that way they listen, they anyway changed the original system trying to get more people/money).
Anyway... How many do pvp after all? I'm not sure as I hate pvp and don't know how many enjoy it... But I don't think it's the mayority of the playerbase...
What do you think?
I still like my SWG, I have played since launch and refuse to give up on it. I actually like the sped-up combat, having to aim at my target and the new commando heavy weapons of the nge. I don't like the skill system being replaced with such a linear class based system but regardless I am still having fun, mostly because of pvp.
I do think the NGE was a mistake and a cop out by SOE to make their job easier on themselves. However, from what I have seen in the past few months they have done more work to try to fix the ball dropping they did than since the games incarnation.
Bringing SWG to the PS3 is pretty much null and void, I doubt it happens because it's not really all that profitable and everyone who plays video games know the bad reputation that SWG has ALWAYS had.
As far as the Bioware thing, I doubt it's true but if it were, I'd buy and play SWG2.
The problem with all these people begging for a pre-cu time is that they actually think it will happen if "everyone quits" or if "everyone complains enough". Well it won't period. Quite frankly I think it'd make SOE/LA look even weaker if they did. Furthermore they need to stick to a system and make it work not change it yet again. I think the initial change from the pre-cu to the cu to the nge was a mistake but I think going back is just as much of a mistake as the initial change.
"An enemy of the pre-cu" label me that if you want, I loved my pre-cu time, I loved being a pre-dotwhore pikeman. Yea pre-cu had it's flaws, so did the cu, so does the nge. You will get people who prefer all 3 systems, it's as simple as that. I preferred the skill system of the pre-cu, and the combat system of the nge.
Telling everyone to leave because you don't like the game is just selfish and childish.
A note to those who don't know, SOE is really getting this communication thing down, they have been travelling to do Q&A sessions, something that pre-cu didn't exactly get. They KNOW they have a broken system and they are trying to do something about it.
One thing alot of people don't realize as well is that hardly any of the pre-cu developers and programmers are still employed at SOE. Yes it is easier for them to work with the NGE and while it may not be an excuse, it's understandable if you've coded before. Reading your own code vs reading someone else's program can be a very big difference.
The biggest thing I would want from SWG Pre-CU, will never happen again. I want the commmunity back. A rollback would NOT do this. You would have half the new people leave, you would have some of the vets leave who like the nge, you would have some of the vets who preferred the pre-cu/cu times leave because of SOE's bouncing around (I know about 12 people in my guild alone who fall into this) and you'd gain the vets who left because of the nge, but not all of them, alot of them lost faith in SOE altogether and refuse to buy or play any of their products from now on.
I think those who have left the game because they were unhappy should quit scolding those who are playing the game and whether or not we complain about it, we probably still get some entertainment out of it. I really don't understand bashing someone because they still play a game that you used to and don't like anymore. It's like your jealous that they can still have fun in the system and are "keeping you from getting your way" even though that'll never happen.
The main problem was not so much the nge or cu. It was the fact it was lied about to the consumer untill they were ready to go live with it. The consumer was never really consulted. If they had then they would have noticed that all anyone ever wanted was for them to add smuggling for the smugglers and fix a few other professions. Have old towns from canceled accounts be packed up and stored in the players inventory. A few other things too but thats the baisics. Oh and the nge really just pissed me off since I had been working for about 6 months on obtaining jedi and was closing in on making it when the nge went live. I was all for the jedi being very difficult to obtain, and for them being scarcely seen in public wielding a flashlight.
Sorry its long winded but on topic I did quit, and again not so much because of the nge itself as for the constant misrepresentation of Sony. I wont sink my $$$ into a company that i just don't trust to deliver.
I can understand the willingness to play thru tho to maintain friendships developed in the game, but here is a solution. swap emails, aim, msg, icq, hell phone #'s too if you want. Find yourself a new game and go play it. SWG is laid to rest and you take pride in not supporting a crooked company. Problem solved.
SOE's problem is very simple. Money...
For so long they were the only kid on the block. With the huge success of EQ1, they became the standard for mmorpg's. In this success they got more corporate mentality. This mentality has caused them to forget the desires of the gamers community and they only think of "how can we make more?".
You can see this in all of their games now. Just simply turn on any SOE game and sit back and watch the ads roll. Because of their popular games, advertisments have become the new standard for SOE.
The SOE of today makes games that "they" want you to play, instead of the games that the "players" want to play.
This mentality is why I will never purchase any SOE game again. Ever....
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